[00:01] <resno> never tried making something connect that way before.
[00:01] <resno> my terminal knowledge is murky on that
[00:02] <alex88> wep or wpa?
[00:02] <resno> wpa
[00:02] <alex88> static or dhcp address?
[00:05] <alex88> resno: http://pastebin.com/m4dec0024
[00:05] <resno> wow, thanks!
[00:05] <alex88> np...=)
[00:06] <resno> didnt expect that
[00:06] <alex88> uh..forgot to translate: Mettere un IP coerente con la vostra rete -> Insert an ip fitting your needs..=)
[00:07] <resno> what language is that?
[00:07] <alex88> italian
[00:10] <arctic_import> is libnss-ldap broken in 9.10?  I've installed and configured, when I run a getent passwd I don't see the machine even attempting to make an ldap connection to get the information.  What could I be doing wrong?
[00:11] <alex88> lol..i don't think they distribute unstable or broken packages, btw never used ldap or 9.10...
[00:11] <alex88> (9.10 cause of my fucking vps hosting company...) -.-
[00:12] <alex88> btw, going to bed...1:13 am here...cya tomorrow guys..
[00:13] <arctic_import> well I'm telling you it doesn't work.  All my other Linux machines have no problems, yet the Ubuntu 9.10 machines can't do jack.
[00:13] <alex88[sleep]> arctic_import: i've said i don't think..=) not it's impossible...good luck so..
[00:29] <pting> i've got a bunch of servers load balancing a website... is there a tool to consolidate log files from these various machines into one file/location? i was planning on rsyncing the files to an nfs share
[00:51] <sub> pting: rsyslog and various other remote syslogging packages
[00:51] <sub> there's also splunk
[00:52] <pting> sub, thx, i'll check them out
[02:00] <pting> when running rsync as a daemon, does it sync up the files realtime?
[02:04] <X-M4-X> anyone have experience in net2ftp & ehcp?
[02:05] <pting> nvm... i'll just stick with non-daemon rsync cronjobs
[03:21] <ChrisRut> Is BIND necessary if your domain registrar provides Full DNS control? Can't I just create A records on my Registrar and point them to the correct IP and call it aday?
[03:23] <ScottK> ChrisRut: Yes.
[03:24] <ChrisRut> ScottK: thanks
[03:24] <ChrisRut> BTW, how much resources does BIND use?
[03:24]  * ChrisRut woundering if this will help save some load on my VPS (webserver)
[03:25] <fbdystang> Hey how can I find network manager for pptp after install? It is not in menus?
[03:26] <ScottK> ChrisRut: It depends a lot on the query load.  DNS tends to be more I/O bound than CPU bound.
[03:27] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: try installing network-manager-pptp
[03:27] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: sudo apt-get install network-manager-pptp
[03:28] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: I did, but now i can't find the program to execute it
[03:28] <ChrisRut> ScottK: k, Thanks... Also what else does BIND do?  Will I need to setup my MX records in my registrar aswell?
[03:29] <ScottK> ChrisRut: Yes.  Any DNS records you publish.  You'll also need to make sure your registrar points to their DNS servers as authoritative for your domain
[03:29] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[03:30] <ChrisRut> ScottK: hmm, beginning to think this might be more trouble then it's worth.
[03:30] <ScottK> That's generally my view about bind.
[03:31] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: have you looked in network-manager for this?  I am not sure, I've never used pptp
[03:32] <ChrisRut> ScottK: your view being? BIND=good or bad
[03:32] <ScottK> bind is good, but complicated.
[03:32] <ScottK> Generally, I suggest leaving running DNS to DNS experts.
[03:32] <twb> Hear, hear
[03:32] <ScottK> Your registrar may or may not qualify
[03:32] <ChrisRut> GoDaddy
[03:33] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: It says that network manager is in the system tray, However i cannot find it. What does it look like? all my icons are accounted for
[03:33] <twb> There are two kinds of DNS, too -- publishing your domains' records, and caching everyone else's records.
[03:33] <twb> For the latter, dnsmasq is super nice.
[03:33] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: System>Preferances>Network Connections
[03:34] <ChrisRut> twb: but strictly for a webserver (ubuntu-server) why would I need to cache everyone elses?
[03:34] <ChrisRut> no outbound connections really
[03:34] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: ok I found it, I see a vpn tab, but nothing on pptp
[03:35] <cjwatson> webserver logging can actually do quite a lot of reverse dns lookups
[03:35] <cjwatson> so sometimes caching of that is required
[03:35] <cjwatson> or useful anyway
[03:35] <twb> ChrisRut: right; the latter only applies when you run a local network.
[03:35] <cjwatson> really high-performance web serving generally turns off reverse dns lookups in the logs, but that's a bit annoying for normal production use
[03:35] <twb> ChrisRut: sorry, I wasn't paying much attention.
[03:35] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: try this:
[03:35] <ChrisRut> http://bit.ly/5RRFXU
[03:36] <ChrisRut> cjwatson: didn't think of that... true, thx
[03:36] <twb> cjwatson: if you're only caching for one host, nscd or whatever should handle it
[03:36] <cjwatson> sure, I didn't specify a caching *method* :)
[03:37] <cjwatson> ChrisRut just asked why caching would be useful
[03:37] <twb> OK
[03:37] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: thanks, however i have already tried that one, to no avail :( I would think there would be a simple pptp gui to connect
[03:38] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: did you make sure to install 'network-manager-vpnc network-manager-openvpn
[03:38] <ChrisRut> I could be wrong, but i believe those packages add the ability to use VPN (therefore are required to use PPTP)
[03:39] <fbdystang> Yea, thats what I would think too. But they are both installed
[03:40] <fbdystang> is there a command line way to connect?
[03:41] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: how bout this one: http://bit.ly/6tvTkC
[03:42] <fbdystang> hmm, thats new lemme check
[03:43] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: also give this a shot if that one doesn't work out: http://bit.ly/7rWItY
[03:47] <fbdystang> OK, my network manager now has an icon in panel. I have created the vpn, but don't know how to connect it. it says last used is "never" wish there was a connect button!
[03:48] <fbdystang> ChrisRut: will that second one work in karmic?
[03:48] <ChrisRut> 1sec..
[03:49] <ChrisRut> did you sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:49] <ChrisRut> after you setup the vpn
[03:49] <ChrisRut> go into terminal and issue 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'
[03:49] <ChrisRut> It's probably going to kick you off irc thou
[03:49] <fbdystang> I did sudo service network-manager restart, which it said is a more prefered one
[03:50] <ChrisRut> ok
[03:50] <fbdystang> didn't kick me off though
[03:52] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: can you click on the network manager applet (top right) and then select your vpn connection that you just setup
[03:52] <fbdystang> yes
[03:52] <ChrisRut> did that work?
[03:52] <fbdystang> but i don't know how to connect it
[03:53] <fbdystang> double clicking just brings up th edit window, which is where i set up the vpn
[03:54] <fbdystang> How does it work in yours? does it just automatically connect or do you manually hit connect somewhere?
[03:54] <ChrisRut> not using vpn
[03:54] <ChrisRut> so I couldn't tell ya
[03:55] <ChrisRut> sorry, but I am stumped
[03:56] <fbdystang> hmm
[03:59] <fbdystang> in the second one it says to add my self to group 'dip' how do i do that on command line?
[04:00] <cjwatson> sudo adduser $USER dip
[04:01] <fbdystang> k thanks
[04:02] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm getting a lintian error on eucalyptus-sc.templates: E: eucalyptus-sc: no-debconf-config
[04:02] <kirkland> cjwatson: can you confirm that this is okay?
[04:03] <kirkland> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/no-debconf-config.html
[04:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: says that it's sometimes okay, sometimes an error
[04:13] <cjwatson> kirkland: it's fine, there's no db_input
[04:15] <kirkland> cjwatson: k, thanks; i'll add an override
[04:22] <fbdystang> How do I know if the vpn connection worked?
[04:33] <ChrisRut> fbdystang: try pinging one of the boxes on your VPN
[04:40] <ChrisRut> gotta run, thanks for the help cjwatson, twb & ScottK
[06:58] <aquarius> I have a jaunty server; "sudo do-release-upgrade" says "After your package information was updated the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' can not be found anymore." There are LP bugs about this, but they suggest it's been fixed. What can I do to diagnose?
[08:03] <Jeeves_> Mogge
[08:15] <_ruben> Mornin' Jeeves_
[08:48] <jiboumans> morning folks
[09:15] <_ruben> bleh .. snort's an odd beast when you start playing with it
[09:18] <Jeeves_> :)
[09:44] <dpreacher> Has any configured "dead peer detection" for their IPSec VPN on ubuntu server? I need to know if it is possible with racoon or do I have to use another package
[09:50] <_ruben> never used racoon (well, i did for a very brief period and hated it) .. openswan does have support for dpd
[10:04] <dpreacher> _ruben when a package like openswan has dpd support, on being able to detect the dead peer is it possible to switchover to a secondary remote peer? What other corrective action can be taken. Thank you for your reply
[10:20] <_ruben> dpreacher: most common actions are "try to bring up tunnel again" and "put things on hold till its available again" .. openswan doesnt have high availability (switchover) builtin
[10:35] <dpreacher> _ruben, can openswan call any other program to do switchover externally...like run a command
[10:39] <_ruben> dpreacher: there's updown scripts, but im not sure if those get called during dpd as well
[10:39] <_ruben> gotta go .. meeting
[10:39] <dpreacher> seeya
[10:39] <dpreacher> thanks
[11:39] <benedikt> are there any cases where "uptime" will report 2 users when there is only one logged in?
[11:40] <JanC> 2 different users or 2x the same user?
[11:40] <JanC> (use 'users' to check that)
[11:40] <benedikt> http://pastebin.com/m1e3868f8
[11:41] <benedikt> http://pastebin.com/m30c28257 <- updated with 'users'
[11:42] <JanC> well, looks like only one user was logged in the second time
[11:43] <JanC> anyway, "2 users" can mean "2x the same user"
[11:45] <JanC> e.g. on my desktop I currently 3x my user logged in, and every terminal you start (e.g. in screen) adds another login
[12:13] <benedikt> JanC: no. the user "benedikt" is logged in once.
[12:40] <zul_> morning
[12:40] <jiboumans> kirkland, alive and kicking already?
[12:40] <kirkland> jiboumans: about to go for a run
[12:40] <jiboumans> kirkland: ok, catch you after
[12:40] <kirkland> jiboumans: trying to make it back in time for the meeting
[12:40] <jiboumans> morning zul
[13:43] <adac> Since an upgrade to karmic, ssh login to my server is quite slow. Any ideas?
[13:44] <zul_> mathiaz: so what do I need for the scribe stuff?
[13:52] <ttx> kirkland: also it was supposed to require woodstox, but apparently doesn't need it... I guess that change hasn't landed yet in their code.
[13:52] <jiboumans> all hail netsplits
[13:52] <benedikt> adac: does the login go as fast as usual (/etc/motd shows up etc, etc) but bash takes a second to load?
[13:52] <adac> benedikt, the moment I enter the ssh password in the console it takes up to 10 seconds until the "remote" bash appears
[13:52] <benedikt> 'uptime' is showing one user too many on my system ( http://pastebin.com/m30c28257 ) . What can cause this?
[13:53] <adac> benedikt, On jaunty it was there immediately
[13:53] <benedikt> adac: and th motd
[13:53] <benedikt> ?
[13:53] <adac> benedikt, what is that?
[13:53] <benedikt> adac: cat /etc/motd
[13:54] <adac> oh I see. Yes it takes 10 seconds until motd appears on login
[13:54] <benedikt> ah. then its not the same that started to happen to me.
[13:57] <_ruben> slow logins often tend to be dns related
[13:58] <benedikt> also, my issue about one login too many is resolved. i didnt realize that screen of course took up a tty and is in /var/run/utmp .
[13:58] <mathiaz> zul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase
[13:59] <mathiaz> zul: outlines what to do as a scribe -basically write up the minutes
[13:59] <zul> mathiaz: k thanks
[14:15] <smoser> in mail to mathiaz i suggested yaml as markup language, but python-yaml not in main. so thats a big strike against that.
[14:16] <mathiaz> smoser: well - we may have to move to main anyway
[14:17] <mathiaz> smoser: yaml is getting more and more popular
[14:17] <mathiaz> smoser: I had a look at it this morning
[14:18] <smoser> oh? in that case i'd consider, but the niceness of the built into python is nice. (ie, python-configobj)
[14:27] <zul> python-config is already in main as well
[14:29] <ScottK> smoser: python-yaml will probably come into Main due to a spec of mine.  Also I'm the Debian maintainer for it, so I think it'll be easy to get into Main
[14:30] <smoser> i really dont like the shortcoming of "some things can't be represented as keys" in python-configobj
[14:30] <smoser> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/configobj.html#the-config-file-format
[14:30] <smoser> There is no way of safely quoting values that contain both types of triple quotes.
[14:30] <smoser> but maybe thats just worrying too much
[14:33] <mathiaz> smoser: I think we should just try one
[14:33] <mathiaz> smoser: once we have more experience we can add more syntaxes if needed
[14:33] <smoser> agreed.
[14:34] <smoser> did my mail to you make sense mathiaz ?
[14:34] <mathiaz> smoser: yes
[14:34] <mathiaz> smoser: I'll start by providing sample user-data script
[14:34] <mathiaz> smoser: to see how things would work with the syntax (which ever syntax we choose)
[14:35] <cr3> kirkland: hey dude, someone on the condor-users mailing list is asking about running condor on a eucalyptus cloud. thought you might like to know
[14:35] <mathiaz> smoser: once we have the syntax and samples, we'll have tests as well and can then start implementing it
[14:35] <smoser> mathiaz, thats fine.
[14:37] <kirkland> cr3: cool
[15:03] <oru_work> anyone familiar with vsftpd? Wed Dec 16 09:51:27 2009 [pid 9660] [jpipublic] FAIL LOGIN: Client "75.127.142.196"
[15:04] <oru_work> same error on both the client and server log side
[15:05] <smoser> soren, ping. could you sponsor bug 494185 to karmic-proposed?
[15:07] <zul> smoser: i think its eod for soren as well
[15:07] <zul> so I could do that if you want
[15:07] <smoser> well, then, do you want to do it? i was just hoping to spread the wealth
[15:07] <zul> sure
[15:08] <zul> dont you mean spread the pain ;)
[15:24] <zul> smoser: i have upload the ec2-init SRU i had to modify the debian changelog for it to be proper for an SRU
[15:25] <smoser> what did you have to change?
[15:26] <smoser> zul,
[15:27] <zul> i attached to the debdiff to the bug
[15:39] <`jpg> Hey guys, is it possible to install 9.10 on a machine without internet access?
[15:39] <smoser> zul, so sru you're not supposed to increase ubuntu portion of the package version, but rather add '.X'?
[15:39] <smoser> ie, you did: 0ubuntu7.1 rather than 0ubuntu8
[15:40] <mathiaz> smoser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging
[15:40] <mathiaz> smoser: ^^ has a table with expected version number for security updates
[15:40] <mathiaz> smoser: SRU follow the same rules
[15:40] <smoser> thanks mathiaz.
[15:40] <zul> smoser,: sorrect
[15:41] <zul> mathiaz: about the smart SRU it was done but it got rejected because there was no lp bug number in the changelog. I just re-uploaded it with the correct lp bug number
[15:42] <mathiaz> zul: ok - can you keep an eye on it?
[15:42] <zul> mathiaz: will do
[15:50] <psyferre> hey folks.  I'm porting a lot of code from windows to ubuntu and have a decent amount of unc paths being used for file access.  In looking through the samba docs it looks like I'm going to have to create a mount point on my system for every other machine on the network i need to access... is that correct?  Or is there some way I can just hit the shares via unc path name?
[17:05] <pea_brain> hi all, I am new to ubuntu UEC. I am trying to get elasticfox to manage the cluster. I am not able to add my cluster as a region in UEC. when i try accessing the URL "http://my_cluster_ip:8773/services/Eucalyptus" directly, it shows "Failure: 500 Internal Server Error". i tried elasticfox on both firefox 3.5 and then on 3.0, but to no avail. can anyone please help..
[17:10] <pea_brain> hi all, I am new to ubuntu UEC. I am trying to get elasticfox to manage the cluster. I am not able to add my cluster as a region in _elasticfox_. when i try accessing the URL "http://my_cluster_ip:8773/services/Eucalyptus" directly, it shows "Failure: 500 Internal Server Error". i tried elasticfox on both firefox 3.5 and then on 3.0, but to no avail. can anyone please help..
[17:11] <hiatus> Is ubuntu server a decent server or should I go with something more along the lines of centos
[17:13] <pea_brain> hiatus: ubuntu server ( LTS ) has 5 yrs support and centos has 7 yrs. besides, ubuntu has a lot of packages pacakged for it ( like 28000) while centos has about 3500 . just a couple of ideas from my side.
[17:13] <pea_brain> Linux is Linux, whichever way you may wanna use it.
[17:19] <hiatus> hmmm, thanks pea, good points
[17:25] <pea_brain> hiatus: one thing to note though, not all the packages i mentioned as supported on ubuntu have the same support commitments from the developers.
[17:28] <hiatus> how do you mean?
[17:34] <pea_brain> there is a section called "main", which is fully supported. Others like "universe" and "multiverse" are not supported with the same level of commitment. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components
[17:55] <TeTeT_> kirkland: is there any WSDL specification for Eucalyptus?
[17:56] <kirkland> TeTeT_: i don't think i know enough about WSDL to answer that question
[17:56] <TeTeT_> kirkland: who could know about that, ttx maybe?
[17:57] <kirkland> TeTeT_: yeah
[17:57] <kirkland> TeTeT_: or ask in #eucalyptus
[17:57] <kirkland> TeTeT_: between network splits
[17:59] <TeTeT_> kirkland: I haven't thought of #eucalyptus :)
[18:15] <mathiaz> smoser: hi
[18:15] <smoser> hey
[18:15] <mathiaz> smoser: can I use the UEC images directly with kvm/libvirt?
[18:15] <smoser> sort of.
[18:16] <smoser> its a goal to answer 'yes, and heres how'
[18:16] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - but we're not there yet
[18:17] <smoser> you can do it, but ec2 init is dependent upon the metadata service
[18:17] <smoser> so you either have to
[18:17] <smoser> a.) give a fake metadata service
[18:17] <smoser> b.) disable ec2-init
[18:17] <smoser> c.) wait 30+ minutes for ec2-init to time out
[18:17] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Testing is mostly still relevant i think
[18:18] <smoser> the piece of info missing there is that you can append to the kernel 'ec2init=0' and that will disable ec2-init
[18:56] <orudie_> can someone recommend an intranet solution ?
[18:57] <unit3> errr... you'll have to be a *lot* more specific than that. ;)
[19:13] <mm888> hi - trying to setup a LAMP server using Ubuntu server ... anybody had any problems using Ubuntu 9.1 server in fusion
[19:13] <mm888> the server seems to be for AMD 64 bit
[19:17] <unit3> you mean 9.10 right?
[19:17] <unit3> and there should be a 32-bit server ISO download.
[19:18] <unit3> 64 bit is the default, because generally there aren't any 32-bit only servers anymore. ;)
[19:18] <mm888> yes 9.10
[19:18] <mm888> trying to find 32bit
[19:18] <mm888> just trying to test something at home u c
[19:19] <mm888> was searching on the web site and came across this channel - so thought I'll ask
[19:20] <mm888> but all the links takes me back to the 64bit d/l .... ummmm
[19:21] <unit3> let me find you a link.
[19:21] <mm888> thanks :-)
[19:21] <unit3> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server
[19:21] <unit3> you see under the download button, it says "Alternative download options"?
[19:22] <unit3> Click that, then you can select the 32 bit version.
[19:22] <mm888> oh thanks - so stupid ... should of saw that
[19:22] <unit3> no prob. :)
[19:22] <unit3> also, if you go to one of the mirror sites directly, there'll be bittorrent download links as well, if that's faster for you.
[19:23] <mm888> torrent no good for me as my ISP throttles those type of traffic
[19:23] <mm888> but thanks for the suggestion
[19:23] <unit3> yeah, some ISPs BT is way faster, some it's better to just use the local mirror. the options are there, anyway.
[19:24] <mm888> :-)
[21:02] <smoser> kirkland, have you found a way to get -curses to work with lucid ?
[21:28] <Jeeves_> Has anyone arranged for ZFS in Linux allready? :)
[21:28] <Jeeves_> (not using fuse)
[21:30] <dunix> sorry to tell you, it won't happen until linux changes it's license, gpl gets reworded or new version, or zfs's license changes
[21:30] <dunix> and none of those will be happening any time soon
[21:34] <angeloalfa76>  c'è qualche italiano collegato?
[21:47] <kirkland> smoser: unfortunately not yet
[21:54] <Anonymous2> yea ubuntu server room
[21:54] <Anonymous2> my favorite of all
[22:00] <epinky> :)
[22:00] <Anonymous2> :)
[22:00] <Anonymous2> i got 8.04 server running atm
[22:01] <Anonymous2> epinky: you run server
[22:02] <Anonymous2> anyone else her
[22:02] <Anonymous2> here**
[22:03] <khelvan> My headless server keeps shutting down - what can I do to figure out why it is shutting down on its own?
[22:03] <Anonymous2> bad memory
[22:03] <Anonymous2> is a possiblity
[22:03] <Anonymous2> for me it is cause 1000+ memtest errors
[22:04] <Anonymous2> but it runs just when i restart from time to time it doesn't start up again until i unplug it and plug it back in
[22:04] <dunix> khelvan have you looked through the logs?
[22:04] <Anonymous2> that's one way to find out
[22:04] <Anonymous2> didn't think bout the logs
[22:04] <khelvan> dunix - I am not familiar with where to find logs or what to look for. I am brand new to this.
[22:05] <dunix> overheating is another common reason
[22:05] <Anonymous2> and bad mem
[22:05] <Anonymous2> you come a across bad address and bam down
[22:05] <dunix> /var/log/messages is a good place to start
[22:05] <dunix> or /var/log/syslog
[22:05] <Anonymous2> well i shall revise that
[22:05] <Anonymous2> bad addresses and sometimes bam
[22:11] <khelvan> Here is the /var/log/messages - I don't see anything except a random restart, which I have no idea why it did: http://pastebin.com/m3f44bf33
[22:12] <Anonymous2> do you have it setup to automatically restart
[22:12] <Anonymous2> generally people set it to do this to avoid errors
[22:12] <Anonymous2> much like with cisco routers
[22:13] <khelvan> Here is the syslog, with another random restart - http://pastebin.com/d37f72e41
[22:13] <khelvan> No, I never set it to do that, it has been running fine for a month, and now all of a sudden it is randomly restarting (and randomly shutting down, as in power off).
[22:14] <Anonymous2> did you do a memtest
[22:14] <Anonymous2> just to make sure
[22:14] <Anonymous2> can never be to careful
[22:14] <khelvan> I have not, no, how do I do that with a headless server?
[22:15] <Anonymous2> well if you can restart the machine with a monitor attached you can press escape key when it says please wait 3 seconds at the grub boot loader menu
[22:15] <Anonymous2> then boot to memtest
[22:15] <Anonymous2> my server restarts from time to time but thats cause my mem is finished
[22:21] <dunix> khelvan, is this hardware built to be a server?
[22:21] <dunix> ie: a dell or hp server etc, or is it a desktop you are using as a server?
[22:21] <khelvan> dunix - It is desktop components I put together to be a server.
[22:22] <dunix> you may want to check your bios to see if there is any temp settings, usually with a problem like this, it's a heat issue
[22:23] <dunix> and some bios' have settings for temp, even the desktop ones
[22:23] <dunix> or you may just want to monitor the internal temp of your MoBo/Proc, if it allows for that
[22:23] <khelvan> dunix - Are there any temperature monitors I can install and watch via ssh?
[22:23] <dunix> lm-sensors
[22:24] <dunix> but may or may not work, depending on your motherboard
[22:24] <khelvan> Ok, it is already installed - how can I monitor it via SSH?
[22:24] <dunix> Google+lm-sensors website would tell you if your stuff is supported
[22:25] <Anonymous2> i was talking monitor like a crt or lcd
[22:25] <Anonymous2> but ssh <SERVER IP>
[22:26] <khelvan> Anonymous2 - I know, it isn't practicle for me to have a physical monitor on the machine at the moment. I am installing/monitoring/checking the logs via ssh at the moment.
[22:26] <khelvan> (practical)
[22:26] <Anonymous2> you can't monitor the memtest
[22:26] <Anonymous2> you can with a computer monitor like lcd screen and keyboard
[22:26] <Anonymous2> it's hard for me to explain
[22:27] <khelvan> I realize that, it will have to be a bit before I can run that. I understand, I have run memtest before, which is why I asked how I can do it with a headless server.
[22:27] <khelvan> The short answer is that I can't.
[22:27] <dunix> khelvan, if everything is working properly i believe you can type 'sensors'
[22:27] <khelvan> It needs a head.
[22:28] <khelvan> dunix - Thanks, I got this output:  k8temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter Core0 Temp:  +33.0°C
[22:29] <khelvan> Is there a way for me to tell if it was a system-initiated clean shutdown, or if it crashed due to heat/memory? I have some critical data on a RAID array, how can I insure that the file system is not going to be corrupted?
[22:29] <dunix> well thats not anything to worry about, is there any way/reason this would spike? like for example a dog sitting behind it blocking the intake (which is what my dog does)
[22:29] <dunix> if was a system, it would have said in the logs
[22:30] <qman__> you can check on the RAID with /proc/mdstat
[22:30] <qman__> it'll automatically rebuild if something is wrong
[22:30] <qman__> as for how dangerous it is, that depends on what filesystem you use
[22:31] <qman__> ext3 is generally fine with sudden failures
[22:31] <qman__> might lose some data from writes occurring during the failure
[22:31] <qman__> but otherwise, I've never lost anything else on ext3
[22:31] <qman__> XFS is the opposite, I've had several catastrophic failures in crashes
[22:33] <khelvan> dunix - No pets, the PC is sitting on a stone floor in about 69-70 F heat
[22:33] <khelvan> Or temp, I should say
[22:33] <khelvan> qman__, it is ext3
[22:33] <dunix> then i'd say temp is ruled out
[22:34] <khelvan> qman__, how do I check with /proc/mdstat?
[22:34] <qman__> cat /proc/mdstat
[22:34] <qman__> that's only if you're using mdadm/linux soft raid
[22:34] <qman__> if you've got a hardware raid or a fakeraid that won't tell you anything
[22:35] <khelvan> Err, I am using the RAID that I automatically set up during server install at the prompts, which I believe is linux soft raid
[22:35] <qman__> yeah
[22:35] <qman__> that's mdadm
[22:35] <khelvan> qman__, output: md0 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdd1[1]      488383936 blocks [2/2] [UU]
[22:35] <qman__> that means it's fine and online
[22:35] <qman__> it'll say rebuilding if it is, and it'll show one of the disks failing if it is
[22:36] <khelvan> I guess I better get that backup solution up and running soon just to be sure.
[22:37] <JanC> backups are always a good idea  ☺
[22:38] <qman__> this is what my file server looks like
[22:38] <qman__> md0 : active raid6 sdh1[7](S) sda1[0] sdg1[6] sdf1[5] sde1[4] sdd1[3] sdc1[2] sdb1[1]      4883799680 blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [7/7] [UUUUUUU]
[22:38] <khelvan> JanC - Yeah, I agree, it has just been low priority for me with all sorts of other problems going on at the moment with other stuff.
[22:39] <khelvan> qman__, What does the (S) refer to?
[22:39] <qman__> spare
[22:39] <qman__> previously, I had just raid 5
[22:39] <qman__> and lost two disks within an hour
[22:39] <qman__> suffered total data loss
[22:39] <qman__> so, this time, raid 6 with a spare
[22:40] <JanC> 2 disks from the same series?
[22:40] <qman__> same model, bought at the same time
[22:41] <qman__> ran for about two years
[22:41] <JanC> it's quite common that they break around the same time then
[22:41] <khelvan> Wow, aren't the odds of that astronomically high?
[22:41] <qman__> then died, an hour apart
[22:41] <JanC> qman__: I once heard somebody tell they lost 3 disks within 5 hours that way  ;)
[22:42] <JanC> was an ISP's mailserver...
[22:42] <qman__> ouch
[22:42] <dunix> lol
[22:42] <khelvan> So the moral of the story is buy two different types of disks?
[22:42] <qman__> luckily my data wasn't that valuable
[22:42] <qman__> the moral is, keep backups
[22:42] <qman__> all disks die eventually
[22:42] <dunix> what qman said.
[22:42] <JanC> well, the problem with different disks is that they have different timings
[22:43] <qman__> yeah, the array will perform better if you use the same disks
[22:43] <sub> and different geometries as well, yeah?
[22:43] <JanC> AFAIK "geometries" are all virtual these days
[22:44] <qman__> this time around I've got it set up to email me on my phone if it detects a SMART error, so that shouldn't happen again
[22:44] <dunix> unless of course you have a support contract, then you have to use identical drives
[22:44] <JanC> qman__: that doesn't always work
[22:44] <JanC> SMART can't predict all errors
[22:45] <qman__> yeah
[22:45] <qman__> mdadm is also set to email me on failure
[22:45] <qman__> but SMART should pick it up first
[22:45] <qman__> and raid 6 with the spare should buy me more time than an hour
[22:45] <JanC> I had one disk where SMART gave no warning until the disk was dead
[22:46] <JanC> disk was 1 month old...
[22:46] <qman__> there's always a chance for total loss, but I'm trying to improve the odds
[22:47] <qman__> the 4GB Quantum Fireball I'm using as a system drive out lasted the first array
[22:48] <qman__> if/when that one finally dies I'm switching to flash
[22:48] <qman__> but all signs point to that thing lasting longer than me