[00:36] <zengeos> hey again all
[06:35] <ara> good morning all
[06:46] <drizzle> morning
[06:58] <ara> morning drizzle
[08:43] <xdatap> hi everybody
[08:44] <xdatap> morning ara
[08:45] <ara> morning xdatap
[08:46] <xdatap> ara, I would like a clarification about daily iso testing
[08:46] <ara> xdatap, sure, what do you need?
[08:47] <xdatap> report on daily basis must be reported on tracker iso, right?
[08:48] <ara> xdatap, no, the tracker is used only for milestone testing
[08:48] <xdatap> but on tracker each user can report only once for milestone
[08:48] <xdatap> ops
[08:48] <xdatap> so, where we have to report daily test?
[08:49] <ara> xdatap, well, if you find any errors, filing a bug should be good enough
[08:49] <ara> xdatap, if you need to report anything else, like what you test and so forth, there is a wiki page davmor2 has been editing
[08:49] <ara> xdatap, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/DailySmoke
[08:50] <ara> xdatap, I have asked davmor2 to rewrite the documentation about Daily Smoke to make easier for people to contribute to this effort
[08:50] <ara> xdatap, so your question has perfect timing :-)
[08:50] <xdatap> :)
[08:51] <ara> xdatap, you can subscribe to ubuntu-qa mailing list for updates
[08:51] <ara> xdatap, or under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/, to get the updates on the wiki
[08:52] <ara> xdatap, in the mean time, you can use LP to file bugs and the wiki page I told you to report your efforts
[08:52] <xdatap> we should clarified this here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO because this gave me idea that daily report should be reported in iso tracker
[08:52] <ara> xdatap, OK, I will check it, thanks for the feedback
[08:52] <xdatap> ara, i'm already in the mailing list. I'm Paolo, do you remember of me?
[08:53] <ara> xdatap, sure!
[08:53] <ara> xdatap, as we are redefining the process, and improving the documentation, any feedback is welcome
[08:53] <ara> xdatap, I will ask davmor2 to start a thread on daily smoke for feedback :)
[08:53] <xdatap> thanks
[08:56] <xdatap> i'm leaving, see you on mailing list. Have a great day!
[09:48] <davmor2> Morning
[10:52] <ara> davmor2, there are people interested in daily smoke testing
[10:52] <ara> davmor2, from this morning backlog:
[10:52] <davmor2> yeap looking at a way around it now
[10:53] <ara> davmor2, nice :)
[11:23] <davmor2> ara: how's that?
[11:25] <ara> davmor2, it looks good, can you add it under Activities and link your page from there?
[11:25] <davmor2> yeap I'll look at that in a bit need to shoot of and do a couple of bits
[11:43] <davmor2> ara: I've quickly thrown it in on the activities page feel free to move it about and edit it need to go :)
[11:43] <ara> davmor2, thanks
[14:09] <davmor2> morning fader_cr3
[14:09] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy
[14:10]  * fader_ is confused and frightened because his IRC proxy seems to be down. :(
[14:10] <cr3> morning folks
[14:11] <ara> morning cr3, fader_
[14:11] <fader_> ara: buenos tardes!
[14:11] <ara> fader_, :)
[14:11] <fader_> Argh
[14:11] <fader_> *buenas
[14:15] <fader_> moustafa: Gerard Depardieu!
[14:15] <moustafa> cr3, fader_, davmor2: Isle of Mann
[14:16] <moustafa> fader_ : Où est la bibliothèque?
[14:16] <cr3> moustafa: la bibliotheque est sur l'ile de man :)
[14:17] <moustafa> cr3: And the owner is a woman called Amanda Cox?
[14:17] <davmor2> moustafa: it's over there just beyond the water cooler
[14:17] <davmor2> morning moustafa by the way :)
[14:17] <moustafa> davmor2:  We has a water cooler?
[14:17] <fader_> cr3: Au la discotechque?
[14:19] <davmor2> fader_: you still go to disco boy your stuck in the 80's :D
[14:20] <fader_> davmor2: I'm not even clear on what makes something a disco, but I'm pretty sure I've never been to one.  I went to a huge rave once, but I don't think that counts as it was all house/techno/trance stuff.
[14:20] <davmor2> fader_: disco's are made up of disco music the clue is in the title :P
[14:22] <moustafa> davmor2: Unfortunately, the name stuck for some reason.  Now a "discothèque" is any bar with bad electronic music
[14:22] <davmor2> fader_: sounds like your rave counts then crap electronic music ;)
[14:24] <fader_> davmor2: I've heard what you listen to... you don't get to comment on anybody's musical taste :P
[14:25] <davmor2> fader_: I don't listen to most of the rubbish I pass onto you I just remember it :D
[14:25] <cr3> fader_: if people were rollerskating at that rave, then it was a disco
[14:26] <moustafa> fader_ Again, I present the ultimate argument against davmor2's musical tastes: Simon Co-can't-seem-to-think-well
[14:26] <fader_> cr3: No, mostly spinning glowsticks and hopping around like rabbits on methamphetamines
[14:27] <cr3> fader_: I wonder what chemical element in ecstasy makes people dance like pricks
[14:27] <moustafa> Then again, that country did produce Led Zeppelin
[14:27] <fader_> cr3: Gotta be the carbon
[14:28] <moustafa> cr3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine
[14:40] <davmor2> moustafa: fader_ will gladly explain why you won't only lose this but lose it in style crying in the corner :D
[14:41]  * moustafa waits for fader_ 's explanation
[14:41] <fader_> moustafa: It's true; he can hit you with more bad music than any living creature should be forced to endure.
[14:42] <fader_> He's like Ubuntu's own Yoko Ono.
[14:42] <moustafa> fader_ : He'll make me want to play Modern Warfare 2?
[14:42] <moustafa> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1923978
[14:46] <cr3> fader_: nice metaphor!
[14:47] <davmor2> moustafa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-itkO9ia8
[14:47] <davmor2> it goes down hill from here
[14:50] <moustafa> davmor2: That's actually a pretty neat trick
[14:51] <davmor2> no really it isn't he's just holding a leg with a false arm
[14:51] <moustafa> davmor2: I know, I meant for the time, it was a pretty neat trick
[15:02] <moustafa> I'm seemingly impervious to davmor2 's music
[15:02] <moustafa> It must have been the listening to "Never Gonna Give You Up" multiple times
[15:02] <davmor2> moustafa: I haven't hit you with the bad stuff is why I've just given you a glimpse of the evil junk I know
[15:03] <moustafa> davmor2 : Do.  Your.  Worse.
[15:03] <moustafa> *Worst
[15:04] <davmor2> moustafa: here is a nice little ditty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs
[15:04] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3pQpqeqSc
[15:05] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFYxCIr-Byo
[15:05] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h37KQu64RY4
[15:06] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vUVJsfG3eA
[15:06] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE&feature=related
[15:06] <davmor2> I can go on
[15:07]  * cr3 imagines davmor2 head banging to those songs
[15:09] <moustafa> davmor2 : Most of those were pretty hilarious.  The only truly bad ones came from the 80's, and that's pretty much a given
[15:09] <davmor2> cr3: No you head band to thinks like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMX8d7KxoS0&feature=fvw
[15:09] <davmor2> moustafa: I was born in 73 I bought 80's music :D
[15:10] <davmor2> I know it all intemately :D Muhahahahahahahahaha
[15:10] <moustafa> davmor2: I'm still somewhat immune.  I dated a girl that thought new wave was good
[15:10] <moustafa> And 80's goth
[15:11] <moustafa> davmor2: Meanwhile, the things I listen to will make you rip your ears out by sheer awesome
[15:12] <davmor2> moustafa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbUQUut_xgw
[15:12] <moustafa> davmor2: We have that one in french here
[15:12] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9gWA491H4U
[15:13] <davmor2> that's right I can 90's junk too :)
[15:13] <moustafa> davmor2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5LmbsVn9vA
[15:13] <persia> You guys know about #ubuntu-offtopic, right?
[15:14] <moustafa> persia: I do now
[15:14] <persia> heh :)
[15:14] <fagan> hehe I managed to dual boot ubuntu 9.10 and 10.10 and use the same home directory :)
[15:14] <fagan> testing win
[15:14] <persia> Mind you, there doesn't seem to be a lot of testing going on, but ...
[15:14] <davmor2> persia: is that not here then I can't remember the last time we were on topic ;)
[15:14]  * fagan is testing
[15:14]  * persia thinks fagan is on-topic
[15:15] <fagan> :D
[15:15] <moustafa> fagan: that's easy. Try using Fedora with Ubuntu, that'll screw things up nice and easy
[15:15] <davmor2> persia: quick kick him off the channel he's an impostor
[15:16] <persia> I'm not an op here
[15:16] <persia> If I *was* an op here, I'd be a bit more aggressive in my hints :)
[15:16] <fagan> moustafa: well I just wanted to prove that no on needs testdrive :D
[15:17] <moustafa> fagan: testdrive?
[15:17] <persia> Hrm.  Doesn't even look like this channel is registered.
[15:18] <fader_> fagan: The only thing I'd be concerned about with using the same ~ with two releases would be config files from different versions of the same app
[15:19] <fagan> fader_: It worked fine for me
[15:19] <persia> Different gconf-defaults can affect things as well, if some of them ended up becoming user-modified in various ways.
[15:19] <fagan> but it was 9.10 and 10.04 so it wouldnt have any real conflicts
[15:19] <persia> (yet)
[15:20] <fader_> fagan: I believe you, but I'd make a bunch of backups if it were my main system ;)
[15:20]  * Daviey has been dual booting stable + unstable for a few years now.. Only app that really caused a brown out was the gnome rss reader as the db schema got upgraded.
[15:20] <Daviey> ymmv, !wfm etc
[15:20] <fagan> Daviey: but did you use the same home?
[15:21] <Daviey> fagan: sorry, i thought that was implied. Yes. :)
[15:21] <fagan> :)
[15:21] <fagan> hmmm thats cool then
[15:22] <Daviey> fagan: As the "biggest fan" of uupc - you should know this, from season 1.
[15:22] <fagan> hehe you would swear that I knew every word of every episode :D
[15:23] <fagan> moustafa: https://launchpad.net/testdrive
[15:24] <moustafa> fagan: So...it's a virtualbox environment?
[15:24] <fagan> moustafa: or kvm
[15:25] <fagan> It works with both
[15:26]  * fagan now catches up with the tv he missed when gtk was broken in lucid 
[15:27] <moustafa> fagan: Which begs the question: Why even a need for testdrive?  Aren't the available virtualisation apps enough?
[15:27] <fagan> moustafa: it makes it easier
[15:28] <moustafa> fagan:  To which I respond: How can you make something easier than easy?  ;)  I dunno, maybe I'm not fully getting it
[15:28] <fagan> well I never used it because I test on real hardware
[15:29] <fagan> so I wouldnt know but it is as easy as selecting an iso and it does the setting for you
[15:29] <fagan> I think
[15:30] <moustafa> I'm lucky I get to test on the laptops in the lab, otherwise I'd be using a virtual machine instead
[15:30] <persia> Does anyone else use schroot for testing stuff?
[15:31] <moustafa> Nope, never heard of it
[15:32] <persia> I use it a lot for testing specific applications, rather than isos.
[15:32] <persia> One has to set it up first, but once set up, one just does something like:
[15:32] <persia> schroot -p -c lucid
[15:32] <persia> firefox &
[15:33] <persia> and ends up running lucid firefox from wherever.
[15:34] <persia> If LVM is available, schroot can also use snapshots.  So, for instance, one can experiment with the results of installing some arbitrary combination of stuff, and then exit, and the entire install gets wiped clean for next time.
[15:34] <persia> Also, if LVM is available, setup can be automated with the mk-sbuild-lv script in the ubuntu-dev-tools package.
[15:35]  * moustafa is probably gonna need a walthrough to fully understand it
[15:36] <persia> Getting late for me, but catch me after I've had a chance to sleep, and I'd be happy to do a walkthrough.
[15:37] <persia> (or maybe someone else can: I know a few folk in #ubuntu-bugs use it sometimes)
[15:38] <moustafa> persia: Allright
[15:38] <moustafa> persia: Take care now :)
[15:58] <yathish> i want to be a part of testing
[15:59] <yathish> how to ?
[16:00] <fagan> yathish: just try out 10.04 and report any bugs you find
[16:00] <fagan> thats the easiest way to start
[16:06] <yathish> sorry my inetrnet connection when down for some time
[16:06] <yathish> i have 9.1 loaded
[16:09] <yathish> help plz
[16:12] <davmor2> yathish: easiest think to do is install a vm either virtual box or kvm and virt-manager and test 10.04 in that environment.  This means you can test the installer and the applications on the cd, any bugs you find report
[16:14] <davmor2> yathish: with what?
[16:18] <davmor2> moustafa: http://www.last.fm/user/davmor2
[16:22] <moustafa> davmor2: The horror!  And the music is kitchy too!
[16:23] <moustafa> Bon Jovi?  Evanuisence?  Whitesnake?  What else? Nickleback?
[16:23] <davmor2> yeah nickleback
[16:23] <moustafa> Good God they're on the list!
[16:23] <moustafa> Incidentally, what is Tolkien doing there?
[16:24] <davmor2> moustafa: I'm dyslexic so my wife bought me the lord of the rings and hobbit on cd as dramatised by bbc radio 4
[16:25] <moustafa> davmor2: Ah.  I almost thought someone re-animated Tolkien and forced him to commit to bad elfish music in the style of 80's pop
[16:25] <davmor2> moustafa: Oh no it has bad elvish music on it too :)
[16:25] <fagan> are we having a meeting today?
[16:26] <davmor2> says so in the email
[16:26]  * fagan wonders because its getting close to christmas
[16:26] <fagan> cool
[16:47] <fader_> FYI: Ubuntu QA meeting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting.
[16:49] <moustafa> fader_ There's no one here called FYI
[16:49] <fader_> :P
[16:50] <ara> hey Grantbow
[16:51] <Grantbow> hey
[16:52] <Grantbow> we'll see how much I can stay connected, but there is a freenode netsplit in progress it seems, lol
[16:54] <fader_> Grantbow: only one?
[16:54] <moustafa> Grantbow: We're compiling it
[16:55] <Grantbow> haha
[17:05] <sbeattie> davmor2: BTW, I looked for comments from you, because I knew you'd intended to poke at some hardy SRUs; did I just miss them?
[17:08] <davmor2> sbeattie: no it took longer than expected to get all four updated and backed up ready and then ran outta time unfortunately so will probably hit some tomorrow if I get enough time amongst other things
[18:54] <moustafa> Be vewy vewy quiet.  I'm hunting buggy wabbits