| === Keybuk_ is now known as Keybuk | ||
| Keybuk | Non-root users get strange output when they run initctl which tries to get information from system dbus. | 10:54 |
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| Keybuk | $ initctl list | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | initctl: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | sadmac_: ^ really? | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | WFM | 10:54 |
| plautrba | Keybuk: it's current state in fedora now | 12:39 |
| plautrba | and "strange" means that it should say something like you need to be root or someting | 12:40 |
| Keybuk | no | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | strange means that it should work | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | quest scott% initctl list | head -2 | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | avahi-daemon start/running, process 948 | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | mountall-net stop/waiting | 12:41 |
| plautrba | I agree that it should work | 12:43 |
| Keybuk | you don't have to be root to use commands like list, status, etc. | 12:43 |
| temoto1 | How to run upstart in user home? | 12:52 |
| temoto1 | I had a day of pain trying to run upstart in debian lenny, without installing it system-wide. | 12:53 |
| === temoto1 is now known as temoto | ||
| Keybuk | temoto: just install there and use init=/home/temoto/sbin/init ? | 12:58 |
| temoto | Keybuk: without installing it system wide, also implies without touching existing init system :) | 13:03 |
| temoto | i could write a line into inittab or something, that's not the point | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | right | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | you don't need to | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | ./configure --prefix=$HOME/upstart | 13:04 |
| temoto | troubles were in just starting it | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | then when you boot, init=/home/temoto/upstart/sbin/init | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | on the kernel command-line | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | it'll look for config in /home/temoto/upstart/etc/init obviously | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | so you'll have to provide some | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | otherwise it won't do much | 13:05 |
| temoto | i don't want to replace init | 13:05 |
| temoto | but that's not the point | 13:05 |
| Keybuk | then you're in the wrong place | 13:05 |
| Keybuk | Upstart isn't a word processor ;) | 13:05 |
| Keybuk | it's a replacement for init | 13:05 |
| temoto | i wanted it to manage separate user jobs. | 13:05 |
| Keybuk | it's not designed to do that | 13:05 |
| temoto | ah | 13:05 |
| Keybuk | it must be pid 1 | 13:06 |
| Keybuk | you can comment out the code that requires it | 13:06 |
| Keybuk | but you lose things like daemon supervision and stuff | 13:06 |
| temoto | well init says you can run telinit and it doesn't want to be pid 1 | 13:06 |
| temoto | but i actually had troubles with dbus connection | 13:07 |
| temoto | it says /com/something is unknown | 13:07 |
| temoto | i did sudo ~/upstart/sbin/telinit 2 | 13:07 |
| Keybuk | I think you're confusing yourself | 13:07 |
| temoto | Does that loose daemon supervision? | 13:07 |
| Keybuk | telinit simply communicates with the init daemon | 13:07 |
| Keybuk | it's identical to running "initctl emit runlevel RUNLEVEL=2 PREVLEVEL=$(runlevel)" | 13:08 |
| temoto | That's why it couldn't connect to /com/something? | 13:08 |
| Keybuk | just easier to type | 13:08 |
| Keybuk | yes | 13:08 |
| Keybuk | the thing it couldn't connect to was Upstart | 13:08 |
| temoto | Thanks :) | 13:08 |
| Keybuk | something was "com.ubuntu.upstart" | 13:08 |
| temoto | Yeah. | 13:08 |
| temoto | Thanks for explanation. | 13:09 |
| temoto | Maybe it deserves to be mentioned on website. | 13:09 |
| Keybuk | why? | 13:09 |
| Keybuk | Upstart is a replacement for Init | 13:09 |
| Keybuk | if the website listed everything that Upstart wasn't, it'd take months to download | 13:10 |
| temoto | Maybe it's more obvious that Upstart is not a game and less obvious that you can't run supervisor part without replacing Init. I just proposed, if no, then no, fine. Thanks for explanation anyway. | 13:12 |
| Keybuk | "Upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon" | 13:13 |
| Keybuk | (the first sentence on the website) | 13:13 |
| Keybuk | I just don't get how people can read that, and think that they can use Upstart without replacing /sbin/init ;) | 13:13 |
| temoto | What about documentation on stuff like `task' ? Does it exist anywhere? sadmac explained it, but i couldn't find. | 13:13 |
| Keybuk | I mean | 13:13 |
| Keybuk | that's like asking whether you can run HURD as a normal user :p | 13:13 |
| Keybuk | temoto: yes, in the man page | 13:14 |
| Keybuk | man 5 init | 13:14 |
| temoto | Great, thanks. | 13:14 |
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| === [1]sassyn is now known as sassyn | ||
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