| Riddell | don't think so Lex79 | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| Lex79 | ok, I'm going to do that | 00:05 |
| nixternal | ooh, that is pretty nice | 00:06 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: freeflying was never member according to kubuntu-members former members list, so I suppose he should apply for kubuntu membership | 00:41 |
| freeflying | apachelogger: how come I was never kubuntu membership? | 00:42 |
| apachelogger | freeflying: you are at least not appearing anywhere | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | maybe timeouts do not show up at all, but only manual deactivations | 00:44 |
| apachelogger | freeflying: are you sure you were kubuntu member? | 00:44 |
| freeflying | apachelogger: sure | 00:44 |
| apachelogger | well, ok, if Riddell and you are positive on that I assume reinstatement is appropriate | 00:44 |
| apachelogger | seele, Riddell, JontheEchidna, Nightrose: ^ I am readding freeflying (lp:~zhengpeng-hou) as kubuntu-member | 00:46 |
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| apachelogger | freeflying: done | 00:46 |
| freeflying | apachelogger: thx | 00:46 |
| apachelogger | yw | 00:46 |
| Lex79 | colibri needs review: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/colibri | 00:51 |
| jjesse | good evening ever since updating to the most recent beta choqok crashes every time i start it up, it launches and starts showing me my tweets and dents, anyone else havign issues with choqok? | 00:52 |
| freeflying | jjesse: seems works fine here | 00:52 |
| Riddell | I think there's a new choqok we should be packaging anyway | 00:54 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you can revert the topic now | 00:56 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: topic restore | 00:56 |
| === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 1 Released! | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | almost congatulations to Quintasan | Meeting Wednesday 18:00UTC | ||
| apachelogger | kubotu: topic del 5 | 00:57 |
| === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 1 Released! | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | almost congatulations to Quintasan | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: better? | 00:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: is Quintasan still not confirmed? | 00:57 |
| Riddell | I've not heard anything | 00:59 |
| apachelogger | hm, nixternal gave a +1 which should result in quorum | 01:00 |
| * apachelogger goes poking | 01:00 | |
| jjesse | freeflying: what do you use as your notifcation libnotify or knotify? | 01:05 |
| freeflying | jjesse: libnotify | 01:06 |
| daskreech | is http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Having_a_tidy_systray from Ubuntu's prodding ? | 01:08 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: more like kde's inovatitionism :P | 01:11 |
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| apachelogger | though without canonical that would never have reached a cross-desktop span | 01:11 |
| jjesse | freeflying: hrmm using knotify myself wonder whats going on | 01:13 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: Well we know we have the better tech but as I recall there was some recoil when it was suggested that Gnome actually make use of it | 01:16 |
| apachelogger | yeah, though gnome, so I have been told, was not too motivated | 01:17 |
| daskreech | koffice-kde4: Depends: krita-kde4 (>= 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3) | 01:17 |
| apachelogger | canonical however considered it a good idea and is now brining it to gnome | 01:17 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: that's all I was asking :) | 01:17 |
| apachelogger | and honest to whatever you believe in most, having the spec applied acrross desktops makes much more sense from a user POV | 01:18 |
| apachelogger | hence I find this step very important | 01:18 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: of course that's why there is a xdg in the first place | 01:18 |
| daskreech | I wish that the stupid *dm would follow a spec | 01:18 |
| daskreech | Really annoying to lose the abilty to control the computer just because of a default DM | 01:19 |
| apachelogger | dms are a general problem | 01:19 |
| apachelogger | AFAIK both kdm and gdm are based upon xdm, but what they stack upon the xdm base is so no standardizied it is quite horirblye actually | 01:20 |
| daskreech | Which is why I wish someone (by someone I mean Gnome and KDE of course) would sit down and propose a standard | 01:20 |
| ScottK | So clearly we need dmdm | 01:21 |
| daskreech | theming and all that junk can be tossed out. Just make computer wide crucial actions able to be passed along in some fashion | 01:21 |
| * apachelogger thinks that theming might be the easier thing there | 01:21 | |
| daskreech | I don't care about the theme possibiltes | 01:22 |
| apachelogger | just propose some base spec which both kdm and gdm must comply to, then define some fallback rules and all is done | 01:22 |
| apachelogger | makes gdm users able to use kdm themes and vice versa | 01:22 |
| daskreech | sharing themes is a noble win for the fashion concious consumer but having to logout to get a hibernate button is just plain stupid | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | well | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | that is more of a structural problem inhereted by Xorg | 01:23 |
| apachelogger | X needs to be run as root | 01:24 |
| apachelogger | hence kdm needs to be run as root to invoke X | 01:24 |
| daskreech | yes but KDE loaded from KDM can shutdown etc and Gnome loaded from GDM can do so as well | 01:24 |
| apachelogger | of course X running as a different user than the desktop session within the X makes it kind of difficult to streamline deskto -> dm communication | 01:24 |
| daskreech | but KDE from GDM? No no no computer control for you | 01:25 |
| daskreech | You get logout and that is all | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | yeah, but that is difficult to spec, because the shotdown systems of KDE and GNOME are not very similar to my knowledge | 01:25 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: take a look at the ksmserver code and the kdm one | 01:26 |
| apachelogger | ksmserver really just emits a signal to kdm that lets it do the shutdown | 01:26 |
| apachelogger | ultimately that signal would be done via dbus, hence being dm agnostic | 01:26 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: which is why I said allow a passthrough | 01:26 |
| apachelogger | BUT, dbus depends on hal and hal depends on a load of crap to start, thus using dbus here would prevent early startup of the dekstop manager | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | AFIAK again | 01:27 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: I think that is not posixy | 01:28 |
| daskreech | either have KDM and GDM agree on common functionality and then have a proxy that passes on requests from the DE or have them turn over control to a second party system which gets decided by the De at init time | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | same reason you cannot invoke halt without sudo halt | 01:28 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: a common system creates cpu overhead most likely (see earlier discussion about unavoidable more calculations with gzip compressed content on a web server | 01:29 |
| daskreech | Yeah it's an annoying issue but I guess I'm just more annoyed that no one even thinks it's an issue | 01:29 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: well, from a regular user perspective it is not much of an issue | 01:29 |
| apachelogger | since she will either install kubuntu or ubuntu, hence hend up with a desktop fitting the dm | 01:30 |
| apachelogger | but I understand you point, and I also find that limiation rather silly | 01:30 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: under the assumption of a home type user | 01:30 |
| jjesse | this may be the most technical converstation i've seen here in awhile | 01:30 |
| jjesse | and i don't understand most of it :) | 01:30 |
| daskreech | jjesse: Short break Down is X Sucks | 01:31 |
| jjesse | haha | 01:31 |
| apachelogger | I wouldnt even say that, X mostly is just bound to limiations of a plain/orignal posix system | 01:32 |
| daskreech | It's amazing at how I can distill most reasons for why Linux is horrible to use down to Propietary Software, Hardware manufacturers and X suck | 01:32 |
| apachelogger | which requires X to run as root, whereas modern linux system can actually hand X being run a user (hence X having user space permission sets) | 01:32 |
| * daskreech ponders a DM built on wayland | 01:32 | |
| apachelogger | daskreech: X is just horrible to hack at | 01:33 |
| daskreech | X.org is just the most perplexing aspect of a FOSS ecosystem to me | 01:33 |
| apachelogger | possibly much more than the kernel even | 01:33 |
| apachelogger | if you break something in X the likelyhood of affecting a lot of people is a lot higher | 01:33 |
| daskreech | I know! and in a FOSS framework for any other possible aspect X would have been forked | 01:33 |
| apachelogger | also I personally find that graphics stuff a lot more complex than regular OS work | 01:34 |
| daskreech | But in the entire multiverse of FOSS X stands as the only program that does not have a reasonable illusion of choice | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: it does not need to be forked, in fact xorg already is a fork :P | 01:34 |
| daskreech | You use X and you like it. There are no alternatives | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | xorg is a fork of xfree | 01:34 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: because X is considerable complex structure | 01:35 |
| daskreech | I know and it will get better but that doesn't change that it sucks | 01:35 |
| apachelogger | implementing a competior from scratch is a real PITA | 01:35 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: by that do you mean X11 ? | 01:35 |
| apachelogger | X11 is a standard or something | 01:35 |
| jjesse | i wrote one while i was sitting here :) | 01:35 |
| apachelogger | Xfree86 is the implementation X.org was forked from | 01:35 |
| daskreech | Exactly with for all purposes a single implementation | 01:35 |
| kallecarl | nixternal: all done documents edited and looked at after "make all" . You wrote "validate" docs. How is .../scripts/validate.sh run against docs? | 01:36 |
| daskreech | which in the framework of how FOSS normally works is just astounding to me | 01:36 |
| apachelogger | well, you only have one intel driver at this point :P | 01:36 |
| daskreech | You have two nvidia and ATI drivers | 01:37 |
| apachelogger | well, that is because of prop vs free | 01:39 |
| apachelogger | not competior vs competior | 01:40 |
| daskreech | if Intel made a long term lets break everything policy intel's drivers would fork | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | some stuff is just awful to work on | 01:40 |
| daskreech | I know that :( | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | hence there will be no forking | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | I doubt that linux woud be forked | 01:40 |
| daskreech | and as I said there will be a time it gets better | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | much more likely it is that people move to bsd or other free OS | 01:40 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: But you have a choice of BSD | 01:40 |
| daskreech | and haiku | 01:40 |
| daskreech | and HURD | 01:40 |
| daskreech | or as it's commonly known HU HU HU HURD | 01:40 |
| kallecarl | and Windows 7 | 01:40 |
| daskreech | kallecarl: Speaking in terms of FOSS ecosystem | 01:40 |
| kallecarl | i know couldn't resist | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | only a couple of months until win7 will be gpled | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | because some essential part of the kernel is identified to violate the gpl or something :P | 01:40 |
| kallecarl | in this case, what does gpl stand for? | 01:40 |
| daskreech | but even if you choose Postgresql with nginx nd Ruby on BSD over mysql with apache and python on Linux on both of them you get X.org | 01:40 |
| daskreech | cause there is no choice | 01:40 |
| kallecarl | good ph..kg luck | 01:40 |
| apachelogger | daskreech: you can use xfree86 :P | 01:41 |
| jjesse | kallecarl: i think you can just do the validate.sh and then the doc you want to validate against | 01:41 |
| daskreech | kallecarl: MS shall feel the force of our lawyers!!! | 01:41 |
| daskreech | I should see when they last made a release | 01:41 |
| apachelogger | not that it would be better, because it applies the same stupid basic paradigms crated like 20 years ago | 01:41 |
| kallecarl | jjesse: thanks | 01:41 |
| apachelogger | but then, so does the very core of openoffice and no one is complaining there | 01:41 |
| kallecarl | I'll try it | 01:42 |
| daskreech | apachelogger: but the relative spec that's built against is Documents and ODF noticeably for which there are alternatives | 01:42 |
| daskreech | one of which will not install due to KDE 4.4 b1 on Koala | 01:42 |
| daskreech | koffice-kde4: Depends: krita-kde4 (>= 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3) | 01:42 |
| * daskreech brings the chan back to Doktoring | 01:42 | |
| apachelogger | daskreech: those are pardigms, not specs | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | well odf is a spec, but it is based on a pardigm | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | the paradigm of having documents stored digiatally | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | with formatting and all | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | X is implementing a paradigm, it just leaks competing implemations for that pardigm | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | osx doesnt use X AFAIK, so they created a competing implementation, the thin gis that it is just not free hence no option for a free OS | 01:46 |
| daskreech | and Windows has their own I know | 01:46 |
| daskreech | again I was speaking within the constraints of choices for a FOSS multiverse | 01:46 |
| apachelogger | well, windows is not posix based, but yes they also implement a visual paradigm | 01:46 |
| daskreech | right if we are speaking of paradigms ;) | 01:52 |
| apachelogger | well, if we are talking at stack based implementations than whatever osx uses is as clsoe to a competitor to X as it gets | 01:54 |
| apachelogger | and as I said, implementing those kinds of paradigms is a real PITA thus there will be no from-scratch implemenation be done unless absolutely necessary | 01:55 |
| apachelogger | which, considering the IMHO pretty obious superiority of osx' graphics stacks over X might not be that bad of an idea after all | 01:56 |
| apachelogger | then again you need to motivate the people and all | 01:56 |
| apachelogger | open source is a lot more complex than prop driven development IMHO | 01:56 |
| apachelogger | social stuff plays much a greater role, also you cannot tell people what to do | 01:57 |
| apachelogger | most of the time anyway :S | 01:57 |
| kallecarl | nixternal, jjesse: validated, proposed merge. Please let me know if anything didn't work properly. | 02:03 |
| daskreech | social stuff in FOSS rocks ;) | 02:03 |
| kallecarl | anti-social too | 02:03 |
| jjesse | kallecar reviewing now | 02:19 |
| jjesse | doh he left | 02:19 |
| jjesse | nixternal: shouldn't we create a new entitity to refrence the change to the branding for &kde; | 02:19 |
| * ScottK notes the irony of Asiego blogging about the importance of having one single location be "The KDE source code". | 02:32 | |
| stackedagainst | hey, I'm hoping to get in touch with one of the devs | 02:58 |
| stackedagainst | there is a launchpad bug filed for the kubuntu ppa, bug 497562. Is this part of a public testing call? | 02:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497562 in digikam "On newest PPA beta (KDE 4.4beta1) digikam crashes every time at startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497562 | 02:59 |
| daskreech | stackedagainst: I'm not sure what you mean | 03:01 |
| daskreech | As long as you are using FOSS there is a call for the public to test | 03:01 |
| stackedagainst | daskreech: thanks for responding. The bug squad policy is to close PPA bugs as invalid and notify the devs, unless its a public announced testing initiative of a big ubuntu team | 03:02 |
| stackedagainst | basically, I'm just notifying you guys about the PPA bug, because I dont think there is another way to file a bug against a PPA | 03:03 |
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| ScottK | stackedagainst: We have a kubuntu-ppa project that takes such bugs, just move it there. | 03:06 |
| stackedagainst | ScottK: thank you, will do. :) | 03:07 |
| daskreech | stackedagainst: sorry one process was taking up 100% of my CPU another was taking 72% and a third was taking up 55% so in short everything froze | 03:12 |
| stackedagainst | daskreech: no problem, Scott helped me out :) | 03:12 |
| daskreech | Yeah caught up now | 03:12 |
| JontheEchidna | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JonathanThomas/CoreDevApplication | 03:25 |
| JontheEchidna | It wouldn't feel right to copy/paste endorsements from the kubuntu-dev app, and the feedback might change given the context anyways | 03:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK, apachelogger, Riddell, ^ | 03:28 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: How would you feel about copying and pasting it and then I'll edit it a bit? | 03:32 |
| JontheEchidna | as long as it's ok with the sponsor | 03:32 |
| JontheEchidna | which it is in this case :P | 03:32 |
| ScottK | OK with me. | 03:32 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: done | 03:34 |
| ScottK | looking | 03:36 |
| stackedagainst | thanks guys for the help with the bug, I've added a kubuntu PPA task to it | 03:37 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Done. | 03:39 |
| ScottK | Well done as soon as w.k.o catches up | 03:39 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 03:39 |
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| nixternal | hrmm, colibri doesn't work with 4.4, for me | 05:05 |
| nixternal | Riddell: what do you think about having a doc that we can place on the desktop/netbook workspace on a Live CD or after install to introduce people to what's going? I was thinking along the lines of a 'welcome-desktop' and 'welcome-netbook' instead of the 'about' one we used before | 06:09 |
| * nixternal beds | 06:10 | |
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| Quintasan | apachelogger: unfortunately not :/ | 06:56 |
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| * Lure gets some quassel crashes recently | 09:21 | |
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| ghostcube | ehlo :) | 11:00 |
| ghostcube | guys http://blog.freenode.net/2009/11/testing-the-nets/ | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan_: congrats | 12:01 |
| === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 1 Released! | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | congatulations to Quintasan | ||
| apachelogger | jussi01: do you think meeting minutes would have use in general? | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | if so we probably should streamline the process a bit to make it less likely that no one does it ;) | 12:04 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: I think they should be done, yes. there is a team report thing that might be useful. | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: mind digging it up? | 12:07 |
| * apachelogger notes that team reports != meeting minutes :P | 12:07 | |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: 1 min | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | actually | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | whatever happened to team reports | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | I remember we usually fighted to come up with some useful information every now and then for that :D | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | did they get abandonned? | 12:07 |
| jussi01 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports | 12:07 |
| Lure | apachelogger: do you know who (beside Riddell) can increase kubuntu-ppa/beta (we are at 3GB with 1 GB cap) | 12:07 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: theres a template there that makes it a bit easier | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | Lure: Riddell cannot, only soyuz devs can | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | Lure: just post a question like https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/73122 regarding soyuz | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | possibly you could also try finding someone in #launchpad to speed up the processing a bit ;) | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: I dont want to be bitchy again, but having that kind of stuff done in a wiki is just horrible :P | 12:10 |
| apachelogger | one could propably master up a more efficient approach in rails in like half an hour | 12:11 |
| Lure | apachelogger: thanks, done: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/94361 | 12:11 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: well... Im guessing patches are welcome :P | 12:13 |
| * jussi01 hugs apachelogger | 12:13 | |
| apachelogger | jussi01: well, obviously that would only be used if done inside lp | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | and after looking at the code once I do not feel like doing that again for the next year or so :P | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | kdelibs is less scary | 12:14 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: I think nhandler is the guy you want to talk to about it in anycase... | 12:16 |
| * apachelogger also finds it rahter silly that the wiki pages are themed inline | 12:16 | |
| apachelogger | my lecturer on internet and nu media would go all mad when he saw that :P | 12:16 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: yeah, so it seems :) | 12:17 |
| apachelogger | ulysses__: you should really report a bug about the stasks vs. smooth tasks | 12:18 |
| ulysses__ | apachelogger: I'll do it | 12:18 |
| jussi01 | I thought smooth tasks didnt allow the icon only in the systray... | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 12:22 |
| jussi01 | this 4.4 beta is somewhat annoying tbh... I guess Ill get used to it though | 12:23 |
| ulysses__ | bug 497742 | 12:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497742 in ubuntu "Please replace STasks with Smooth Tasks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497742 | 12:29 |
| Quintasan|Szel | Yeah! I iz MOTU | 12:32 |
| ulysses__ | Congratulation Quintasan|Szel | 12:32 |
| Quintasan|Szel | hurr, that damned wireless | 12:35 |
| Riddell | Lure: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/94262 | 12:40 |
| Riddell | ug, I hurt, back to bed for me | 12:40 |
| Lure | Riddell: maybe we get twice the space now that we have two open questions ;-) | 12:41 |
| Riddell | :) | 12:41 |
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| freeflying | Quintasan|Szel: welcome then :) | 12:52 |
| Quintasan|Szel | so I need to find a minion | 12:56 |
| Quintasan|Szel | :3 | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: where comes the hurtery from? | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r_: ping ping ping | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r_: about krandr from 4.4 ... I actually still had the sources around and svn upped them ... to build you'd go mkdir build; cd build; cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr && cd kcontrol/randr && make && sudo make install | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | it is super important that you go to the randr dir before make, otherwise the build will fail due to api incompability of 4.4 stuff on 4.3 | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/src/workspace-krandr-r1063223.tar.lzma | 13:12 |
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| * ghostcube wonders why we congrat Quintasan o.o | 13:17 | |
| ghostcube | :) | 13:17 |
| Quintasan_ | :O | 13:18 |
| ghostcube | :D | 13:18 |
| ghostcube | :P | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan_: there you have someone to make a minion | 13:19 |
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| ghostcube | Quintasan congrats just joking :P | 13:19 |
| ghostcube | höhö | 13:19 |
| Quintasan | so, aboard the MOTU ship :P | 13:19 |
| ghostcube | :) | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | now whom did I wanna write a mail? | 13:21 |
| * apachelogger is not much use today | 13:21 | |
| ghostcube | steve jobs .. he should lend me all his money | 13:21 |
| ghostcube | o.o | 13:22 |
| Quintasan | like what | 13:22 |
| Quintasan | "Hey Steve, borrow me all your money so I can waste it on girls and alcohol" | 13:22 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: heh you testet ssl :) i think thi is cool step to get freenode more nuke free | 13:22 |
| ghostcube | nah | 13:22 |
| ghostcube | steve give me your money my car needs love | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | ahh | 13:22 |
| ghostcube | my flat needs love | 13:22 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger | 13:22 |
| * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. | 13:22 | |
| apachelogger | indeed | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | welll, not steve | 13:22 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: there you go | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | but mark | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: thx | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: I shall feel more secure with ssl really | 13:23 |
| ghostcube | :| | 13:24 |
| ghostcube | this sarkasm is not good for you | 13:25 |
| Quintasan | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/93/advicecolumn.jpg | 13:25 |
| Quintasan | lol just lol | 13:25 |
| ghostcube | it will eat you up | 13:25 |
| Quintasan | sarKasm version 4.4 | 13:25 |
| ghostcube | Quintasan nice article | 13:26 |
| ghostcube | :D | 13:26 |
| Quintasan | That's just awesome, this guy failed so much it was a win in the end | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Could you put gtk-qt-engine on the sync blacklist and delete it again? | 13:29 |
| amichair | Quintasan: congrats :-) | 13:35 |
| Quintasan | amichair: thanks | 13:45 |
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| markey | hey guys | 13:56 |
| markey | got a question: | 13:56 |
| markey | Karmic currently has libMTP version 0.3 | 13:56 |
| markey | there is 1.0 out in the meantime | 13:56 |
| markey | I need to test a bug in that lib, to make sure it's not Amarok's fault | 13:56 |
| markey | has anyone got a package of it? :) | 13:56 |
| markey | 0.3 is ancient | 13:56 |
| Mamarok | markey: it is in lucid, it would need to be backported to Karmic | 13:57 |
| markey | if anyone could do that, it would make me very happy | 13:57 |
| markey | cause these bugs are very grave | 13:57 |
| markey | can make Amarok freeze several minutes | 13:58 |
| markey | (and even crash your MTP device) | 13:58 |
| Mamarok | and is the potential cause for MTP problems in a few other bugs | 13:58 |
| bbigras | is there any progress or interest in having an updated package to fix the MALLOC_CHECK_ problem? | 13:59 |
| markey | bbigras: that issue also is very grave... causes countless crashes | 14:01 |
| markey | should really try to get an updated GLIBC asap | 14:02 |
| bbigras | markey: yes, I feel bad for the guys triaging bugs | 14:02 |
| markey | really, it causes crazy memory corruptions | 14:02 |
| markey | makes your head smoke | 14:02 |
| bbigras | it's a bit of a pita to test 4.4 with it | 14:02 |
| markey | if possible in any way, I would recommend that Karmic gets that an update too | 14:03 |
| markey | (dunno if that requires building $WORLD, or not) | 14:03 |
| markey | the bug might theoretically be exploitable (though I haven't read of an exploit yet) | 14:04 |
| bbigras | yes it would be nice to have it for karmic too, that's what I use to work on KDE | 14:04 |
| agateau | Riddell: ping | 14:04 |
| Mamarok | bbigras: the ubuntu devs know about, cjwatson promised to have a look at getting the new glibc version in and backported | 14:04 |
| bbigras | Mamarok: nice, thanks | 14:05 |
| Riddell | agateau: hi | 14:07 |
| agateau | Riddell: I'd like to request an SRU for gwenview ( #497769 ) | 14:08 |
| agateau | mmm, the bot did not get this one, bug #497769 | 14:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497769 in kdegraphics "Crop handles are invisible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497769 | 14:09 |
| agateau | Riddell: what's the best way to do this? | 14:09 |
| Riddell | agateau: find someone to package it and upload it, then subscribe ubuntu-sru and pitti will get to it at some point | 14:10 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok, I'll have a look at packaging it, thanks! | 14:10 |
| Riddell | agateau: sorry I seem to be ill today and not in a state of mind to help | 14:11 |
| agateau | Riddell: sure, no problem | 14:11 |
| agateau | Riddell: I should be able to do it myself | 14:11 |
| markey | apachelogger: ping | 14:13 |
| maco2 | Quintasan: hey, congrats! | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | maco2: pong | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | eh markey: pong | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | maco2: though, ahoy, did you get anywhere with kmess upstream? | 14:13 |
| markey | apachelogger: do you happen to have a backport of libMTP 1.0 (or 1.0.1) for Karmic somewhere? | 14:13 |
| * apachelogger feels he asked that at some point already | 14:13 | |
| markey | I really need that urgently | 14:13 |
| Quintasan | maco2: Thanks! :D | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | markey: nope | 14:14 |
| markey | 0.3 is so buggy it can crash your MTP device | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: ^ | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | wanna backport? | 14:14 |
| Mamarok | Quintasan: you would do us a big favor | 14:14 |
| * apachelogger is writing a super important mail to the dictator right now :P | 14:14 | |
| markey | check this: | 14:14 |
| Riddell | markey, apachelogger: libmtp should be in stating or beta or something | 14:14 |
| markey | PTP_ERROR_IO: Trying again after re-initializing USB interface | 14:14 |
| markey | usb_claim_interface(): Bad file descriptor | 14:14 |
| markey | LIBMTP PANIC: Could not open session on device | 14:14 |
| Riddell | staging | 14:14 |
| markey | after that, I had to hard-reset my Sansa player | 14:14 |
| markey | (and it froze Amarok for 40 seconds) | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | rockbox ftw | 14:15 |
| markey | Riddell: can you explain to me how to get it? | 14:15 |
| markey | apachelogger: no, the Sansa actually has really good firmware by default | 14:15 |
| Quintasan | I disapprove of Sansa | 14:15 |
| markey | as opposed to most other players | 14:15 |
| Quintasan | Rockbox > * :P | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | I know, I have some sansa thingy too | 14:15 |
| Riddell | markey: sorry ill, back to snoozing now | 14:16 |
| markey | I _love_ the device :) | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | but srsly ever since I flashed it with rockbox I would not even think about going back | 14:16 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: so no need to backport it? | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | rockbox is just so flexible in about every aspect | 14:16 |
| markey | note: not all Sansa's are the same. I have a "Sansa Clip" | 14:16 |
| * Quintasan hugs his Sansa E260 with Air theme | 14:16 | |
| maco2 | apachelogger: no, i have to check with them again. i was in "ahhh must study to pass finals" mode, but exams are done now, so will try again. the upstream dev they said was most likely to know was *also* busy that day | 14:16 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: no need to backport then? | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | markey: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp | 14:17 |
| markey | apachelogger: thanks :) | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | underneat the version history for official ubuntu stuff you will find a list of packages in a ppa | 14:17 |
| Mamarok | Quintasan: rockbox doesn't work for all devices, libmtp would really be nice to have, and we could at least test | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | markey: so if it was in some ppa or the backports repo it would always show up there | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | in this particular case we seem to have 1.0.1 in the beta ppa | 14:17 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: you sure? I only see it in Lucid | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | underneath the offical versions! | 14:18 |
| Mamarok | cause 4.4 beta comes with Qt 4.6, an even bigger problem :( | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu karmic main | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | add that | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | then run sudo apt-get install libmtp8 libmtp-dev mtp-tools | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | then remove above line again | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | no need to upgrade to kde 4.4 ;) | 14:20 |
| Mamarok | yep, thanks, I didn't see the link earlier :) | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | or you download the debs manually | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages?field.name_filter=mtp&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | at the very least you need libmtp8 and -dev | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | maco2: oh, ok :) | 14:21 |
| markey | brb | 14:24 |
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| Quintasan | What's with my connection today, grrr | 14:25 |
| === Zorael^3 is now known as Zorael | ||
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: That (gtk-qt-engine) needs an archive admin with shell acess (e.g. Riddell). | 14:36 |
| JontheEchidna | it's all black magic to me ;-) | 14:36 |
| Riddell | wk | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | hmmm i think the splits wont happen on the new testnet | 14:52 |
| ghostcube | cause different ports | 14:52 |
| rgreening | did virtuoso not be added to beta backports? | 15:02 |
| rgreening | Lex79: ^ | 15:10 |
| ulysses__ | Hello, I'm working on bug 497742 | 15:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497742 in ubuntu "[needs packaging]Please replace STasks with Smooth Tasks" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497742 | 15:17 |
| ulysses__ | Currently I want to write the control file. My question is, what should I write as build depends? | 15:17 |
| rgreening | anyone else having compositing failing on KDE 4.4 beta1? | 15:22 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: don't bother, I did the stasks package so I will replace it right away | 15:23 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: or hell, if you do it I can upload it now :P | 15:24 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Known issue for some cards. | 15:24 |
| ulysses__ | Quintasan: I'm just learning the packaging from Ubuntu Wiki :/ | 15:24 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: pkg-kde-tools, kdelibs5-dev, kdebase-workspace-dev | 15:24 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: and in debian/rules | 15:25 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: http://pastebin.com/f7f2ae98d | 15:25 |
| Quintasan | since we use pkg-kde-tools for plasmoids etc. | 15:25 |
| rgreening | ScottK: hmm... for Intel ? wow... that's a bad sign | 15:25 |
| rgreening | :) | 15:25 |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: hey have you some time for me? #kde and #kde-devel are ignoring me. | 15:27 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: I'm not busy so feel free to poke me if you have any problems | 15:27 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: are you using pbuilder yet? | 15:27 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Congratulations. | 15:28 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Thanks :) | 15:28 |
| ulysses__ | Quintasan: No, I'm trying to make the packagae from scratch https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Packaging%20from%20Scratch | 15:28 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Now that you can upload, kgraphviewer, plasma-widget-mail, and kopete-cryptography all need to be switched to boost1.40 from boost1.38 (and are in Universe) | 15:29 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: Pbuilder is used to testbuild packages, so you can check what build-dependecies you missed and what files are not installed | 15:29 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: okay, I'll do it right away | 15:30 |
| tsimpson | figuring out the build-depends takes digging around, trial and error. | 15:30 |
| tsimpson | kdelibs5-dev is a good start though | 15:30 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: also, do I need to add some sort of entry to dput or I just upload package without specifing upload destination? | 15:35 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: The default is to upload to Ubuntu, but you will want to change that so you don't accidentally upload something to the archive that you intended for a PPA. | 15:36 |
| refic | how's lucid today? | 15:38 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: one more thing, changelog should point lucid or karmic? | 15:41 |
| Quintasan | oh wait 1.40 means lucid | 15:42 |
| Quintasan | hurr | 15:42 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: kgraphviewer uploaded | 16:10 |
| JontheEchidna | grats Quintasan | 16:13 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: thanks | 16:13 |
| JontheEchidna | Any core dev up for sponsoring kdebase-runtime from bzr and http://jmthomas.toniox.org/phonon-backends_4.3.80-0ubuntu1.dsc ? | 16:16 |
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| Lex79 | Quintasan: congrats ! :) | 16:18 |
| Quintasan1 | Lex79: thanks :) | 16:19 |
| Quintasan1 | I just don't get whats with my connection :/ | 16:20 |
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| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: did you reply? my connection really sucks today | 16:21 |
| JontheEchidna | reply to what? | 16:21 |
| Quintasan | oh nice, my message didnt get send | 16:22 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/m2eb4fbb6 <-- what's wrong, I'm doing debuild | 16:22 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 16:22 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, you need pkg-kde-tools 0.5 to use dh --with kde | 16:23 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I'll get it. | 16:23 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Thanks. Thanks for getting Qt sponsored too | 16:23 |
| ScottK | No problem. Glad to do it. | 16:24 |
| JontheEchidna | it's all just a bit frustrating | 16:25 |
| ScottK | Understand. | 16:25 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: when you have time http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/colibri | 16:25 |
| JontheEchidna | Sure | 16:26 |
| Lex79 | thanks | 16:27 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Is kcm-phonon-xine in the archive (and in Main) yet? | 16:28 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: split from kdebase-runtime and -runtime-data | 16:29 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Yes, but has it landed in Main? rmadison doesn't know of it yet. | 16:29 |
| JontheEchidna | It's not been uploaded yet | 16:29 |
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| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: How about if we do that one first so we don't break installability? | 16:30 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, yeah. I suppose the order I requested them in is wrong :P | 16:30 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I'd prefer to see if the current armel build for runtime succeeds before we upload runtime again | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Lex79: your package needs a build-depend on pkg-kde-tools | 16:37 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: build fine here without pkg-kde-tools | 16:38 |
| Lex79 | iirc no warning and no errors | 16:39 |
| nixternal | maco: how can I get someone to be a mod for our loco's forum? | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | The --with kde requires files from pkg-kde-tools | 16:39 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: for what? for building package or for others stuff ? | 16:40 |
| JontheEchidna | For --with-kde to work pkg-kde-tools must be present | 16:40 |
| JontheEchidna | while it will build without --with-kde, --with kde provides the default CMake flags that debian/kubuntu use | 16:41 |
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| Lex79 | uhm ok I will add it | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | The package loooks fine otherwise | 16:42 |
| nixternal | maco: nevermind | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | Xand3r: I am leaving for AVATAR in a bit | 16:45 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: thanks, reuploaded | 16:49 |
| ghostcube | apachelogger: take a cam with you | 16:56 |
| ghostcube | i want a copy :P | 16:56 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: runtime failed on armel again. Would you please consider if you have ideas how to fix it before you uplaod: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu8/+build/1396928/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-runtime_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu8_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 16:58 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Uploading 0ubuntu9 will fix that. The phonon stuff was never removed from the .install.armel files | 17:01 |
| Lex79 | ScottK: did you try to remove kdebase-runtime.install.armel from the package or edit that ? | 17:01 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I think we are missing few files to kopete-cryptography to build, kleopatra includes to be exact, cmake fails to find them and kdepimlibs5-dev are installed | 17:01 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Cool. | 17:01 |
| JontheEchidna | but now that we build phonon support again, it'll all be there | 17:01 |
| ScottK | Lex79: I did not. This was upload a long time ago, I just retried it today | 17:01 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Not sure on that one. kleopatra is in Universe, so maybe something gets left out. | 17:02 |
| Quintasan | HURR | 17:10 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: kdemultimedia needs changing in bzr, still depends on mplayer instead of mplayer OR mplayer-nogui | 17:12 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: it should be mplayer | mplayer-nogui? | 17:12 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe mplayer-nogui | mplayer, to give nogui preference | 17:12 |
| Quintasan | I'll change and push | 17:13 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 17:13 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: UNRELEASED or lucid normally? | 17:14 |
| * Quintasan is always confused | 17:14 | |
| JontheEchidna | UNRELEASED, unless you're uploading it right then | 17:14 |
| JontheEchidna | the upload sponsor will change to lucid and upload to ubuntu | 17:14 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Also mplayerthumbs source needs to be removed. 1.2-kde4.3.2-0ubuntu1 is still there. | 17:16 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: pushed | 17:17 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: how come? it grabs kdemultimedia source, at least in karmic | 17:17 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: how are stasks going? | 17:17 |
| ScottK | It used to be a separate source package. That's still there and needs to be removed because we build the binary out of kdemultimedia now. | 17:18 |
| ulysses__ | Quintasan: Ah, I can't understand the method of packaging :( | 17:18 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: where are you stuck? | 17:18 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Try rmadison mplayerthumbs and see the results. | 17:18 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: nice tool, thanks :) | 17:19 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: How do I remove things? I can do it myself or I need to poke someone? | 17:19 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: You can rmadison -u debian [PACKAGE] to see what is there. | 17:19 |
| ulysses__ | Quintasan: Last time I tried to write the control file, no I read Herbert's book, the Dune :P | 17:20 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: You file a bug asking for removal and subscribe ubuntu-archive. There's a wiki page somewhere that describes it. | 17:20 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Alternatively ask Riddell and he'll just do it sometimes, but that's not the official procedure. | 17:20 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: okay will get to it asap | 17:20 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Make it clear you only want source removed, not binary | 17:21 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: I'm pretty sure I gave you exact dependecies to be put into control file, what's the problem now? | 17:21 |
| ulysses__ | Quintasan: Sorry, i had no more pleasure | 17:23 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: okay, I no pressure, I just wanted to know whether you are working on it | 17:24 |
| Quintasan | ulysses__: I wanted to do it after my MOTU approval but I won't take away your work :P | 17:24 |
| * Quintasan hopes to go to next UDS | 17:26 | |
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| ejat | Cannot load part for Calendar. Could not find plugin 'korganizerpart' for application 'kontact' <-- any info about this? | 18:14 |
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| Lex79 | ejat: it's disabled because fails to build from source in beta1, we will try to build it again for beta2 | 18:27 |
| ejat | thanks Lex79 | 18:28 |
| Lex79 | no problem | 18:28 |
| ejat | is there somewhere showing the timeline for KDE SC 4.4 ? | 18:28 |
| * ejat discover its kinda lag a bit while typing ... | 18:29 | |
| ejat | its a bugs or desktop effect (kwin) ? | 18:30 |
| Lex79 | for timeline here: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule | 18:32 |
| ejat | luckily beta 2 is on dec 22nd | 18:35 |
| ejat | a few day to wait :) hope to get the improvement .. | 18:36 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal, hi :D how are you | 19:48 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: How's the runtime update coming? | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Dunno, I was waiting for you to sponsor it :P | 19:53 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Did you give it to me? I remember just the phonon backends one. | 19:53 |
| JontheEchidna | It's in bzr | 19:53 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Did you testbuild, etc? | 19:54 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, testbuild and running | 19:54 |
| JontheEchidna | it's in -ninjas too | 19:54 |
| ScottK | OK | 19:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Anybody else noticed that bazaar.launchpad.net is being hella slow? | 19:55 |
| ScottK | Noticing it right now. | 19:57 |
| ScottK | (trying to pull your runtime update) | 19:57 |
| JontheEchidna | all hail the might lunchpad | 19:57 |
| JontheEchidna | *mighty | 19:57 |
| Daskreech | MMMM a pad of Lunch | 19:58 |
| Mamarok | lunch? where's lunch? nomnom | 20:00 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: "bazaar.launchpad.net is down, but being fixed" | 20:10 |
| JontheEchidna | figures | 20:10 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll pastebin the diff.gz, un-gz'd | 20:11 |
| Lex79 | oh, figures is for -> I see -> I understand ? :) | 20:12 |
| JontheEchidna | Not exactly. It's more like "Yeah, it makes sense that that happened" | 20:13 |
| Lex79 | ah ok :) | 20:14 |
| JontheEchidna | D: | 20:17 |
| JontheEchidna | .!!!~~~~>Bat paste: pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.comhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/openid/login?next=/ | 20:17 |
| JontheEchidna | ;_; | 20:18 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f2c49375 | 20:19 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Looking | 20:19 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Is that the full debian dir? | 20:20 |
| JontheEchidna | thinking about it a debdiff would have probably been better | 20:20 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f2ede7975 | 20:21 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Why did you drop libx11-dev | 20:22 |
| * JontheEchidna looks | 20:22 | |
| JontheEchidna | oh, Lex did that | 20:22 |
| Lex79 | ScottK: it's a dependency of libqt4-dev now | 20:22 |
| Lex79 | no need to keep | 20:23 |
| ScottK | Lex79: Not a reason to drop it. | 20:23 |
| ScottK | All the packages that configure looks for should be in build-dep | 20:23 |
| * ScottK will take that bit out | 20:23 | |
| cragdor | Hi all, not sure if this is where to post this but can people with karmic, tell me if they have a file called Phonon-Xine.xine.conf? Apparently it holds the phonon config but i can't find it! | 20:25 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Why did kubuntu_12_arm_no_soprano.diff come back? | 20:25 |
| cragdor | Should exist in ~/.config/kde.org/Phonon-Xine.xine.conf | 20:25 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: My mistake. I think that got deleted in bzr while I was working on things | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | but not from the debian dir I copied over to the source | 20:26 |
| ScottK | Also there's some sftp stuff in runtime-data | 20:27 |
| * ScottK removes that too | 20:28 | |
| JontheEchidna | docs? | 20:30 |
| JontheEchidna | It actually does install the sftp docs without the build-dep | 20:30 |
| ScottK | Yes, it's docs. | 20:31 |
| ScottK | I already deleted it and I'm not going to worry about it for now since it's docs for something we aren't building. | 20:32 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Did you ever pester asac about libssh? | 20:32 |
| JontheEchidna | nope, will ping now | 20:32 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Uploaded. Would you please update bzr to match the package once it comes back? | 20:33 |
| JontheEchidna | sure | 20:33 |
| ScottK | Thanks | 20:34 |
| * Quintasan goes to bed | 21:01 | |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: bzr's back up. I went ahead and pushed the changes. | 21:01 |
| Quintasan | Night everyone | 21:01 |
| ScottK | Good night Quintasan | 21:01 |
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| * nixternal kicks the snot out of LP and Bzr | 22:25 | |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| Riddell | hmm, still no beta 2 | 23:33 |
| dtchen | so, slightly-offtopic VCS question: is anyone seriously bothered by having to learn multiple VCSes? | 23:34 |
| maco | im not | 23:35 |
| maco | cvs, svn, bzr, git, hg....ive used those so far. for normal usage its all the same | 23:35 |
| maco | $VCS commit | 23:35 |
| maco | and if one of the latter 3: $VCS push | 23:35 |
| maco | woowee that's hard! | 23:35 |
| dtchen | right, for single tracking they're quite similar | 23:36 |
| JontheEchidna | I've used svn, bzr and git. I must say I'm not too fond of learning git | 23:36 |
| dtchen | KDE SC has moved to git, correct? | 23:36 |
| JontheEchidna | KDE is planning to move to git, but haven't as of yet | 23:36 |
| dtchen | it's still SVN currently? | 23:37 |
| JontheEchidna | haven't-> hasn't | 23:37 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 23:37 |
| dtchen | (ugh, git is a huge win over SVN in that respect) | 23:37 |
| dtchen | merging in git can be quite pain{less,ful} | 23:38 |
| Sput | well, amarok and konversation have moved to git already :) | 23:39 |
| Sput | and other subprojects are preparing the move | 23:39 |
| maco | right now im the most git-experienced person where i work. that's saying something (about them, not me) | 23:40 |
| * Sput loves git | 23:42 | |
| Sput | working with svn now feels like using notepad to write a program :> | 23:42 |
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