[01:26] <funkyHat> http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/
[01:46] <simba_> so some of the last updates made my laptop go compleetely crazy....my touchpad is now inverted if it even works when i start up.....anyone else have something similar?
[01:46] <simba_> fan is also running much faster than normal, and lappy is getting hot a lot sooner
[02:16] <rr73> simba_~ my laptop does not like lucid, X seg faults and gdm loops in a state where it is switching from tty1 and "F7" I think, but there is no X server running on that screen
[02:41] <joshuajtl> why arent there packages for adobe flash 10 64bit yet? its been released.
[02:42] <RAOF> Oh, really?  When?
[02:42] <bjsnider> stable?
[02:43] <joshuajtl> yeah stable
[02:44] <joshuajtl> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[02:45] <bjsnider> looks like the .42 alpha build from dec. 8 is the latest
[02:46] <i_is_broke> joshuajtl, well if you want and know how you could install it , the old fashion way..:D
[02:46] <joshuajtl> oh youre right
[02:46] <joshuajtl> yeah i know
[02:46] <bjsnider> there are scripts out there floating around that can automatically download the plugin and install it for you
[02:46] <bjsnider> it can't be directly packaged IIRC because adobe won't alow it
[02:46] <joshuajtl> its not a problem
[02:47] <joshuajtl> i dont mind installing it
[02:47] <joshuajtl> right right, then theres non-free
[02:47] <i_is_broke> its says you can down load the tar.gz file.
[02:47] <i_is_broke> yup.
[02:47] <i_is_broke> big pain in the arse.
[02:47] <joshuajtl> its really not
[02:48] <i_is_broke> 90% why i stopped using slack..
[02:48] <i_is_broke> i hated configuring everything.:(
[02:48] <joshuajtl> you dont even compile it so...
[02:48] <i_is_broke> oh yeah, i forgot flash was one of the easier ones to do.
[02:49] <i_is_broke> its been a while since i went threw all of that.
[02:49] <i_is_broke> id probably have to google how to do it again..lol. or look back into my notes that i wrote down.
[02:51] <i_is_broke> well hopefully saturday or monday my memory will be in for my old computer, funny cause its faster then the one im on..lol
[02:59] <i_is_broke> im hoping the bid on the rambus memory on ebay works out for me to..i would like to add more to my test box that im using for lucid.
[03:10] <DanaG> I keep getting failsafe-X randomly starting... and then totally breaking my consoles.
[03:10] <DanaG> I'll "exit to console", and get a totally blank black screen.
[03:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/475259
[03:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/496773
[03:13] <maxb> Is anyone else getting some rather weird intermittent display flickering in Lucid?
[03:13] <RAOF> On Intel cards?  Yes.
[03:17] <maxb> Indeed, on Intel. Is there a bug? I'm finding it hard to express the problem in searchable terms.
[03:20] <RAOF> maxb: I don't know if there's a bug or not, actually.
[03:31] <DanaG> ugh, my usb sound card just spat a bunch of random garbage at me.
[03:31] <i_is_broke> im not, im not running an intel video either..so.
[03:32] <DanaG> Including system sounds randomly repeated despite me not causing them.
[03:46] <DanaG> It's like it randomly decided to play uninitialized memory, or something.
[03:47] <i_is_broke> wow i had stuff like that happen to me when i was on 9.04 thats why i switched to karmic so fast.
[03:47] <i_is_broke> and my sound was onboard intel.
[03:48] <DanaG> I'd never had that issue on my good (core 2 duo) computer; it's only been on this Athlon XP computer that I've just had that.
[03:49] <i_is_broke> oh i had a terrible time with 9.04 and intel....video sucked if it worked sound was total crap and i put in an old yamaha card and it worked fine..
[03:50] <i_is_broke> almost made me mad enough to go back to windows...but then i said na...lol
[04:09] <i_is_broke> ok im ssh'd into my lucid box right now...what kind of memory hogging should i be looking for its bouncing all over the place in top..with xorg and screensaver eating the mem and cpu alive.
[04:13] <DanaG> hmm, try htop. it's nicer than just plain 'top'.
[04:24] <i_is_broke> g/night all im out for the night...laters
[05:55] <DanaG> I keep getting this  happening, over and over:
[05:55] <DanaG> Dec 16 21:53:51 GLaDOS init: ttyS0 main process (16214) terminated with status 1
[05:55] <DanaG> Dec 16 21:53:51 GLaDOS init: ttyS0 main process ended, respawning
[05:59] <DanaG> ah, I see... I needed to put back the "-L"
[05:59] <DanaG> on getty.
[06:27] <DanaG> yay for a COHERENT explanation of how gnome-shell lacks usability: http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/10/gnome-shell.html
[06:43] <IdleOne> DanaG: to some up that article. gnome-shell is not intuitive at all and it sucks
[06:44] <maco2> yeah, sounds like
[06:44] <bjsnider> just from skimming thru it he's complaining that the requisite features haven't been implemented yet
[06:45] <Jordan_U> I like the fact that with Gnome 3 the entire interface will be different depending on whether or not you have 3D accelleration
[06:45] <bjsnider> which isn't a relevant point since that's obvious to anyone who isn't completely blind
[06:47] <IdleOne> err that should of been sum up*
[06:48] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, sort of like compiz
[06:48] <IdleOne> in any case I found gnome-shell to be very difficult to use. not intuitive at all. I am a gnome user but at least with kde I can find my way around.
[06:49] <bjsnider> i don't see what is so difficult about it
[06:49] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Except that for most things you can pretty much ignore the differences between metacity and compiz and work the same way with both. With Gnome 3 if you have 3D accelleration you lose your pannels, have a completely different application menu, workspaces work completely differently...
[06:50] <bjsnider> they work better
[06:50] <bjsnider> and the menus aren't completely different
[06:50] <bjsnider> by the end they'll be the same
[06:51] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Try explaining to a user why one of their computers has an Applications menu and the other doesn't after a fresh install of the same version of Ubuntu
[06:52] <bjsnider> there's no menu in osx either
[06:52] <bjsnider> you'll see it if you move the mouse to the top left corner
[06:52] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Yes, but there is *always* no applications menu
[06:53] <bjsnider> all of the stuff will be there when it's coded in
[06:53] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: It doesn't change based on your hardware
[06:54] <Jordan_U> UI fundamentally changing based on hardware is insane ( and no, Aero in Vista/7 is not fundamentally different, it's mostly just the same interface with more shiny )
[06:55] <Jordan_U> *different with vs without
[06:57] <bjsnider> no it is not insane
[06:58] <bjsnider> taking avantage of horsepower to improve things is not insane
[06:59] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: That would be fine if we could guarentee that that horsepower is always available, but we can't ( Apple can, they are lucky with their hardware lock in )
[06:59] <bjsnider> the gnome-panel will still be there for people who use old crap
[07:00] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: I'm not sure you are understanding my complaint
[07:00] <bjsnider> i do understand it, and i reject it as nonsense
[07:00] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is an improvement. it makes things quicker and easier, not slower and harder
[07:01] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: I am not saying that gnome-shell is a bad interface, I am saying that I am going to have a hard time explaining to my dad that his laptop has a different interface than his desktop with the same version of Ubuntu after a fresh install
[07:01] <bjsnider> so there should be no change
[07:01] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: ?
[07:02] <bjsnider> you're against the changes that have taken place in gnome since it was first released on the ground that it might be hard to explain
[07:02] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: His laptop will be using gnome-shell by default and his desktop will be using gnome-panel by default.
[07:02] <bjsnider> because his desktop is an old piece of crap and his laptop isn't?
[07:03] <bjsnider> if he can't get used to it, you can switch back to gnome-panel
[07:03] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Because his desktop has an ati card that doesn't currently have 3D accelleration ( it's actually newer than his laptop )
[07:04] <bjsnider> i thought all of the newer ati cards had compositing support
[07:04] <bjsnider> i'll tell you what. i'm not a gnome-dev. why don't you take your concerns to irc.gnome.org and sign in to the #gnome-shell channel? they're al right there to isten to you
[07:04] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: No, there are some that are no longer supported by fglrx and not yet supported by -ati
[07:05] <bjsnider> if you're so convinced you're right and they're wrong you should be able to talk them out of their disastrous course of action
[07:06] <bjsnider> nobody in this channel can do anything about it one way or the other
[07:06] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: I don't think that I would change their minds and I think it would be rude to do that
[07:06] <bjsnider> i did it
[07:06] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: I'm not trying to change anything, just venting :)
[07:06] <bjsnider> they changed my mind
[07:07] <bjsnider> i took my concerns directly to them and challenged them to prove they were right or justify what their plans were, and they did it
[07:08] <bjsnider> that's the probem with some people int he linux community
[07:08] <bjsnider> "i'm not trying to change anything"
[07:08] <bjsnider> why not?
[07:09] <IdleOne> bjsnider: it's like buying a car this year and next years model has no steering wheel
[07:09] <bjsnider> IdleOne, let me repeat
[07:09] <bjsnider> i am not a gnome dev
[07:09] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Because there are so many changes I'd like to see in so many different projects that it's only practical to try to change things in those I care about most / am most fit to contribute to
[07:09] <bjsnider> if you have those oncerns, take them to the people who can do something about them
[07:10] <bjsnider> but you just explained your concerns to me. you can do it again
[07:11] <bjsnider> we're not sitting here waiting for some faceless company to dump its garbage on us. this is linux. you can change things
[07:13] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Do you know off hand how to specify in irssi that you want to join #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org and not freenode? ( I'm already connected to irc.gnome.org and looking at the irssi documentation )
[07:13] <bjsnider> i don't use that app, i use xchat
[07:13] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: switch to the server tab of gnome.org and /join #gnome-shell
[07:14] <IdleOne> don't know exactly how to do it as I don't use irssi either
[07:15] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: There is no server window ( that I can find ) specific to irc.gnome.org. But I'll figure it out
[07:16] <Jordan_U> Ahh, /server
[07:18] <Jordan_U> Ok, that didn't do what I wanted :). I think I need to get some sleep, but I will ask in #gnome-shell what their plan is. You've convinced me bjsnider.
[07:19] <bjsnider> i'll be waiting in there. and i'll be grading you on your performance
[07:19] <Jordan_U> :)
[07:42] <DanaG> The thing is, "not yet implemented" is not the idea I got from gnome-shell preview... it seemed more like a "we won't be doing it" thing.
[07:44] <DanaG> sorry, was off taking a shower.
[07:44] <DanaG> Anyway, I also didn't get "easier and faster" from gnome shell.
[07:44] <DanaG> Going from XP to Win7, things DO get easier and faster.  Same even from XP to Vista.
[07:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, random question: is there a way to have two partitions kept constantly in sync... but not a whole drive?
[07:45] <DanaG> For example, a drive for 32-bit OS and home, and a drive for 64-bit OS and home... and sync the home so both stay the same?
[07:46] <DanaG> The reason I still need 32-bit sometimes, is twofold: 1. to boot my drive on other, mostly 32-bit computers.  2. to run stuff that needs vmx86 mode.
[07:46] <DanaG> ...which is, granted, very rarely ever needed.
[07:47] <DanaG> Anyway, I've now come to like kde 4.4, aside from the constant segfaults I seem to keep getting.  Probably due to me pinning the Karmic Xorg.
[07:48] <DanaG> I won't report any bugs on that, to avoid wasting time with darn-well unsupported configurations.
[07:50] <DanaG> Big blocker for me and OSS drivers is R600 KMS powersavings.
[07:52] <Jordan_U> DanaG: I think that is going to be available in 2.6.33, maybe it would be better to grab a new kernel package than pin an old xorg
[07:52] <DanaG> I've been watching the dri-devel mailing list; as soon as I can get that in a 2.6.33-rc, I'll do that.
[08:20] <DanaG> weird... got a lockup, with heavy disk activity.
[08:20] <DanaG> It kept saying "emergency unfreeze"
[08:25] <DanaG> oh, and I can't seem to get screen to send the escape-h over serial console.
[11:02] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[12:46] <Q-FUNK> hi!  is there a plymouth-theme-ubuntu in the works for Lucid?
[13:19] <BUGabundo_work> !test
[15:02] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:03] <BUGabundo_work> hey BluesKaj
[15:03] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo_work
[16:48] <|rt|> has anyone gotten the live cd to work under kvm?  I just get a black/blank screen once X starts
[17:15] <popey> i had that yesterday
[17:15] <popey> not tried today
[18:02] <rr72_> is it possible to rollback to karmic from lucid?
[18:02] <BUGabundo_work> rr72_: no
[18:03] <rr72_> cool, now to spend some time lessing var logs
[18:06] <rr72_> I get an unable to fund custom.cfg for when gdm loads ....
[18:07] <rr72_> why wouldn't that install by default when I installed gdm?
[18:17] <joshuajtl> can anyone tell me how I can find out what module my touchpad is using?
[18:22] <rr72_> ok I am getting somewhere with my gdm issue, i am getting a "Unable to find users: no seat-id found" google here I come!
[18:24] <DanaG> hmm, is your gdm up to date?
[18:24] <yofel_> joshuajtl: you should be able to find that in your Xorg log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[18:24] <DanaG> There recently was an update to fix "gdm not starting" issue caused by DKMS.
[18:26] <joshuajtl> thank you yofel
[19:03] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:06] <i_is_broke> sebsebseb, hey hows it going?
[19:06] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: ok you?
[19:07] <i_is_broke> not bad, trying to figure out why xorg is eating away at my memory..
[19:07] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[19:07] <i_is_broke> going to reboot and see if it quits, its into my swap area now.
[19:14] <DanaG> grr, stupid metacity.. keeps aborting.
[19:14] <i_is_broke> can you have more then one instance of ssh going to the same computer?
[19:16] <i_is_broke> ah hey i can..cool
[19:16] <i_is_broke> sorry still learning.:(
[19:21] <i_is_broke> ok why does root have 2 pages of /user/sbin/console-kit-daemons running?
[19:21] <DanaG> hmm, it's likely multiple threads of the same app.
[19:22] <DanaG> hit f5 to make it a tree, if htop is what you're using.
[19:22] <i_is_broke> yeah its what im using
[19:22] <DanaG> I usally also set it to "shadow other users' processes"
[19:23] <DanaG> go to the setup thingy.
[19:23] <DanaG> oh yeah, and under X, htop supports mouse input.
[19:23] <DanaG> Not sure about how that works with ssh.
[19:25] <i_is_broke> ah i found it and it works..:D
[19:33] <DanaG> Window manager warning: Log level 32: Execution of main.js threw exception: Error: Requiring Clutter, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'Clutter' (any version) not found
[19:33] <DanaG> Window manager warning: Log level 32: Execution of main.js threw exception: Error: Requiring Clutter, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'Clutter' (any version) not found
[19:33] <DanaG> er
[19:33] <DanaG> forgot that ctrl-c in console is not "copy".
[19:33] <DanaG>     JS ERROR: !!!   Exception was: Error: Requiring Clutter, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'Clutter' (any version) not found
[19:34] <DanaG> yay for unusable gnome-shell.  Or rather, non-runnable.
[19:36] <DanaG> grr, pulseaudio unloaded my sound card again.
[19:58] <bjsnider> DanaG, have you got libclutter-1.0-0 installed?
[19:59] <DanaG>  Yup.
[19:59] <DanaG> Version: 1.0.8-1
[20:00] <bjsnider> /usr/lib/libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0.8.0
[20:01] <DanaG> Yes, that's there.
[20:01] <bjsnider> antying else in /usr/lib?
[20:01] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/libclutter-gtk-0.10.so.0
[20:01] <bjsnider> is that all?
[20:02] <bjsnider> be very sure
[20:02] <bjsnider> is there any other file called libclutter.xxxx in /usr/lib
[20:02] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f47929c95
[20:03] <bjsnider> yes, you havet he symlinks too, so that's fine
[20:03] <bjsnider> you do have clutter
[20:03] <bjsnider> do you have libmutter?
[20:04] <DanaG> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     26 2009-12-17 11:22 /usr/lib/libmutter-private.so.0 -> libmutter-private.so.0.0.0
[20:04] <DanaG> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 145408 2009-10-12 10:14 /usr/lib/libmutter-private.so.0.0.0
[20:06] <bjsnider> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amd64/libmutter0/filelist
[20:06] <bjsnider> make sure those libs are present and accounted for
[20:06] <bjsnider> also, is there a bug for this?
[20:08] <DanaG> I guess I'll file one, if there isn't one already.
[20:17] <DanaG> weird... I can't see where it checks for this "namespace" in strace.
[20:17] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/gnome-shell-strace.log
[20:19] <bjsnider> it looks to me like the libclutter/mutter packages were forward-ported from karmic. gnome-shell works here, so i don't know what coud be wrong exactly
[20:20] <yoasif> any ideas on issues with webcams in lucid that worked in karmic?
[20:22] <DanaG> [pid 10465] stat64("/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/main",  <unfinished ...>
[20:22] <DanaG> [pid 10465] stat64("/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/main",  <unfinished ...>
[20:22] <DanaG> er
[20:22] <DanaG> argh, ctrl-c...
[20:22] <DanaG> [pid 10465] <... stat64 resumed> 0xbf835450) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[20:22] <DanaG> oh, but main.js exists.
[20:24] <bjsnider> the file does exist int hat location?
[20:24] <bjsnider> what command are you running to start gnome-shell?
[20:24] <DanaG> gnome-shell --xephyr
[20:24] <DanaG> or gnome-shell --replace
[20:24] <bjsnider> wait, you did remove compiz right?
[20:25] <DanaG> It's installed, but even switching to metacity beforehand doesn't change anything.
[20:26] <bjsnider> uninstall compiz
[20:26] <DanaG> Why?
[20:26] <bjsnider> i had to
[20:26] <DanaG> That's booo--ooo-gus.
[20:26] <bjsnider> you can put the thing back afterwards
[20:26] <DanaG> (to quote the Car Talk guys)
[20:26] <bjsnider> they're mutually exclusive
[20:26] <DanaG> Makes no sense that having compiz installed would make gnome-shell fail to find a library that's there.
[20:27] <bjsnider> clutter is probably disabled by compiz's presence
[20:27] <bjsnider> try it
[20:27] <DanaG> By its mere presence on the filesystem?
[20:27] <DanaG> And why didn't anything appear in strace?
[20:27] <bjsnider> they'll pry your precious compiz from your cold, dead hands, is that it?
[20:27] <DanaG> If the mere presence of compiz on the file system causes clutter to break... that's really stupid.
[20:28] <DanaG> Really really stupid design.
[20:28] <DanaG> Aside from the whole "running together" thing.
[20:28] <bjsnider> mutter cannot and will not run with compiz there
[20:28] <DanaG> So, I get that.
[20:28] <DanaG> But mutter not running if compiz is installed?  That's something I'd expect perhaps from Apple, but not from the Gnome devs.
[20:28] <DanaG> er, I mean,
[20:28] <DanaG> clutter disabling itself if compiz is installed.
[20:29] <DanaG> nope, same error.
[20:29] <bjsnider> maybe that's what is happening
[20:29] <DanaG> Even with compiz removed.
[20:29] <yoasif> DanaG, gnome shell works fine with compiz installed
[20:30] <yoasif> IME
[20:30] <DanaG> hmm, could this "girepository" thing have something to do with gnome-shell not starting?
[20:31] <DanaG> Or xulrunner version?
[20:34] <bjsnider> DanaG, Gustavo Noronha Silva is packaging it. is he on irc somewhere?
[20:35] <DanaG> Beats me.
[20:35] <bjsnider> it could be finding the clutter libs but they need to be newer than they are
[20:36] <DanaG> What's weird is that I don't see much in strace output for "clutter"
[20:39] <bjsnider> the gnome-shell in lucid is over a month newer than the libclutter
[20:39] <bjsnider> and pulled from a git snpashot
[20:39] <DanaG> wow.
[20:40] <bjsnider> but
[20:40] <bjsnider> it built against the existing libclutter
[20:41] <bjsnider> if it was a version problem the build would have failed
[20:41] <bjsnider> you need to talk to silva
[20:44] <DanaG>    JS IMPORT: successfully imported module 'gi'
[20:44] <DanaG>    JS IMPORT: Module 'main' left an exception set
[20:52] <DanaG> gjs: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:52] <DanaG> when I just try to just plain run gjs.
[20:52] <DanaG> !find libmozjs.so
[20:56] <DanaG> libmozjs.so does not exist... only libmozjs.so.0d exists.
[20:57] <DanaG> gjs: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgjs.so.0: undefined symbol: JS_SetScriptStackQuota
[21:01] <DanaG> ah, so something really is broken.
[21:05] <bjsnider> yes but for everybody or just you?
[21:05] <bjsnider> libmozjs sounds like it has to do with firefox's javascript engine
[21:06] <bjsnider> what's it called, spidermonkey?
[21:06] <DanaG> Missing symbol was after I created a link.
[21:07] <DanaG> hmm, if I instead symlink to /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1.7pre/libmozjs.so, it works.
[21:07] <DanaG> well, gjs, that is.
[21:07] <bjsnider> gnome-shell works in that event?
[21:08] <DanaG> nope, same clutter error.
[21:09] <DanaG> I'm guessing gnome-shell doesn't like working with ubuntu-mozilla-dailies, though.
[21:09] <bjsnider> well, i'd submitteth a buggeth
[21:12] <DanaG> Much shorter test case:
[21:12] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/strace-gjs.log
[21:14] <DanaG> ls /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/
[21:14] <DanaG> hmm, anything "clutter" in there?  Not for me.
[21:21] <DanaG> !find Clutter*.typelib
[21:21] <DanaG> !find Clutter.*.typelib
[21:21] <DanaG> argh.
[21:21] <DanaG> !find Clutter-0.8.typelib
[21:25] <DanaG> welll, there's my problem!
[21:37] <DanaG> weird... the only gnome-shell I see is karmic, not lucid.
[21:50] <DanaG> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/DesignerPlayground/BreadcrumbsEtc -- interesting.
[21:52] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, I think the lucid packages FTBFS at the moment.
[21:53] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1354787
[21:54] <RAOF> In case you're wondering, gnome-shell doesn't work under nouveau on nv4b.
[21:54] <RAOF> Compiz, however...
[21:55] <DanaG> hmm, the only nouveau I have active is NV17.
[21:56] <RAOF> Not so well taylored to the "GPU is extremely programmable" gallium philosophy, no.
[22:01] <joshuajtl> i need some assistance folks, my touchpad is always haywire on ubuntu... im running karmic, with an alps touchpad using (i think) synaptics module... it's often difficult to use my touchpad it sticks, and is otherwise just crazy to use...
[22:01] <joshuajtl> i dont know what to do about it
[22:02] <joshuajtl> occasionally there is suddenly two vertical scroll areas, one right smack in the middle of the pad, and one on the right edge where its supposed to be...
[22:04] <RAOF> joshuajtl: Support for 9.10 (Karmic) occurs in #ubuntu; this is for Lucid.  That said, have you tried filing a bug?  Have you tried asking on ubuntuforums?
[22:05] <joshuajtl> no i havent tried either yet
[22:06] <RAOF> Well, try #ubuntu, then ubuntuforums & search for bugs on launchpad.
[22:17] <bjsnider> where does gnome store information about wallpapers its used in the past?
[22:28] <DanaG> bjsnider: figured out my issue... it turns out stuff was using the karmic version, and the namespace file really was missing.
[22:28] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1354787
[22:29] <DanaG> er, the typelib file.
[22:32] <bjsnider> how did that happen?
[22:34] <DanaG> beats me... the Clutter-0.8.typelib file is missing.
[22:34] <DanaG> !find Clutter-0.8.typelib
[22:36] <DanaG> !find Clutter-0.8.typelib karmic
[22:36] <bjsnider> libclutter is at 0.10 in lucid
[22:37] <DanaG> anyway, there's no clutter-anything.typelib.
[22:40] <bjsnider> libclutticus typelibbicus adbsenticus?
[22:53] <BluesKaj> Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/konq-plugins-l10n_4%3a4.3.0-1ubuntu2_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:54] <BluesKaj> I keep getting this error , does it look familiar  ?
[22:55] <bjsnider> there should be more specific info than that
[22:55] <bjsnider> you could try apt-get -f install
[22:56] <BluesKaj> I'm not installing anything specific, merely updating & upgrading
[23:02] <bjsnider> yeah
[23:02] <bjsnider> that command will still help usually
[23:16] <joaopinto> dtchen, I have no idea about PULSE_NO_SIMD=1, so I guess no
[23:16] <dtchen> export it in your shell's rc
[23:18] <joaopinto> ok
[23:18] <joaopinto> what is is expected to do ?
[23:18] <joaopinto> it
[23:18] <dtchen> disable mmx/sse acceleration for channel remapping and volume adjustment
[23:19] <dtchen> if $PULSE_NO_SIMD is non-empty, PA falls back to the original software channel remapping and volume adjustment
[23:26] <joaopinto> ok
[23:45] <XiXaQ> is Evolution supposed to stay at 2.28 in lucid?
[23:53] <nvme> do the current builds ignore hal fdis or something ?
[23:54] <RAOF> As far as I'm aware, X no longer uses HAL, so yes.
[23:55] <nvme> wait so its back to xorg configs now ?
[23:55] <RAOF> I'm not sure what replaces HAL fdi's; probably something like udev rules.
[23:56] <dtchen> see the halsectomy page
[23:56] <RAOF> Of course!
[23:56] <nvme> aw man, my mouse feels like its on roids without my custom fdi settings :(
[23:56] <nvme> !halsectomy
[23:56] <dtchen> I heart "nv". I really do.
[23:56] <nvme> ?
[23:57] <dtchen> true, suspend is broken; there is no glx, whatever.
[23:57] <dtchen> actually suspend is fine; resume is shot ;)
[23:57] <dtchen> however it's utterly awesome to not have insanely random crashes due to a proprietary gfx driver
[23:58] <dtchen> nvme: see the Ubuntu wiki
[23:58] <dtchen> or search the ubuntu-devel mailing list archives
[23:58] <nvme> well i found the page that says hal is gone, but no info on what replace it
[23:58] <dtchen> or blogosphere or whatever youngsters are using nowadays