| robert_ancell | TheMuso, is there a way to set the master volume/mute from the command line, i.e. exactly like if I had used the multimedia keys to do it? | 00:33 |
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| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Either the amixer command if you want something scriptable, or the alsamixer ncurses app. | 00:43 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, will that work reliably and will it behave the same as the multimedia keys? I have a fullscreen app that is capturing all the key events and I want a way to keep the audio buttons working | 00:44 |
| robert_ancell | hmm "amixer sset Master toggle works", what about volume... | 00:47 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: I don't know amixer's flags very well atm, as I haven't yet really had to work with it. | 00:57 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:03 |
| pitti | asac, lool: I just filed bug 497672 which is really just red tape (it's a trivial package MIR); do you have a minute to ack it? | 08:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497672 in pm-utils-powersave-policy "[MIR] pm-utils-powersave-policy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497672 | 08:26 |
| seb128 | good morning there | 08:37 |
| seb128 | hi chrisccoulson | 08:42 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:42 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 08:42 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 08:42 |
| lool | pitti: approved | 08:42 |
| pitti | lool: cheers | 08:42 |
| pitti | seb128, chrisccoulson: good morning | 08:42 |
| seb128 | hey lool pitti | 08:43 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning pitti | 08:43 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: tired by good otherwise thanks | 08:43 |
| seb128 | you? | 08:43 |
| lool | Hey seb128, pitti, chrisccoulson :) | 08:43 |
| didrocks | godd morning pitti, seb128, chrisccoulson, lool :) | 08:43 |
| seb128 | I went to bed at 3am again yesterday | 08:43 |
| lool | It's snowing nicely here | 08:43 |
| didrocks | good* | 08:43 |
| seb128 | but tomorrow holidays! | 08:43 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks | 08:43 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 08:43 |
| pitti | seb128: ugh | 08:43 |
| lool | seb128: Same here :) | 08:43 |
| didrocks | lool: I'm stuck at Velizy because of the snow apparentely :/ | 08:43 |
| lool | morning didrocks :) | 08:43 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i'm quite tired too. spent most of last night trying to get my broadband working, after it decided it no longer wanted to connect | 08:43 |
| pitti | lool: ice-cold here, too *shiver* | 08:43 |
| chrisccoulson | hey lool and didrocks :) | 08:44 |
| lool | pitti: That's because your window is open!! | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i just had to scrape ice off my car | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson | although it's probably still colder where you are ;) | 08:44 |
| pitti | lool: s/here/out there/ :-) | 08:44 |
| seb128 | ice on the car there too | 08:46 |
| seb128 | - 6°C | 08:46 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure it was that cold here | 08:46 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm hoping it snows later (after I get home though) | 08:46 |
| seb128 | snow for the weekend would be good | 08:47 |
| bryce | relatively warm here (I've got windows open due to excess heat from computers) | 08:47 |
| pitti | seb128: we do :) http://www.intermobil.org/doris/net/kfz/kfz_cam_anzeige.xml?Back=../kfz/kfz_cam_auswahl.xml&OID=15308 | 08:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, nice! | 08:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you have snow yesterday already? | 08:48 |
| baptistemm | hello | 08:48 |
| chrisccoulson | bryce - do you have all 8 computers on? | 08:48 |
| baptistemm | good morning | 08:48 |
| seb128 | lut baptistemm | 08:48 |
| pitti | seb128: we had some last weekend, but that one is fresh from last night | 08:49 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning baptistemm | 08:49 |
| bryce | 5 | 08:49 |
| pitti | hm, my laptop hardly produces any heat.. | 08:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, so it didn't fit well for your vac day | 08:49 |
| bryce | testing patch to reenable apport on xserver :-) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | but winter only starts ;-) | 08:49 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, it did; in the morning I went for some christmas shopping, and house cleaning | 08:49 |
| pitti | bryce: yay! | 08:49 |
| pitti | bryce: I think I'll enable apport by default again after that; it's time | 08:50 |
| seb128 | no it's not? | 08:50 |
| seb128 | wait for after holidays break | 08:50 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - will you be building a snowman this evening? :) | 08:50 |
| seb128 | no point to stack hundred of crashers while everybody isa way | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, ok | 08:50 |
| seb128 | well my opinion but I've mostly given up on reading bugs now anyway so I don't care a lot | 08:50 |
| seb128 | I just feel that will add useless noise since nobody is around to do something of those | 08:51 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I can't, my grandpa celebrates his bday | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: true that, I didn't consider that | 08:51 |
| pitti | tseliot: do you know whether PowerMizer is enabled by default in the latest nvidia drivers, or if not, how to do that? | 08:55 |
| pitti | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110949 has some suggestion, but I'm not sure whether that's the official way | 08:56 |
| pitti | ah, http://forums.opensuse.org/hardware/410089-nvidia-powermizer-how-tweak.html has some more details | 08:57 |
| tseliot | pitti: I spoke with Nvidia about this as I wanted to automatically configure that in Jockey but this is what they told me: https://pastebin.canonical.com/25863/ | 08:58 |
| pitti | tseliot: right, I was wondering what to add to the jockey handler | 08:59 |
| * pitti has a work item for this | 08:59 | |
| pitti | tseliot: oh, great | 08:59 |
| pitti | so if that's already enabled by default, then no reason to change it | 08:59 |
| tseliot | pitti: you have one less work item now ;) | 08:59 |
| tseliot | right | 08:59 |
| pitti | tseliot: can we add a dependency to acpid to nvidia-glx? | 09:04 |
| pitti | tseliot: acpi-support will disappear at some point, and you can uninstall it, so we shouldn't take it for granted that it's there | 09:05 |
| pitti | tseliot, bryce, tjaalton: I have a work item "test wacom" for desktop-lucid-xorg-halsectomy, but I don't actually have such a device; do you have one? would you take the WI? | 09:14 |
| pitti | if there's any udev rule writing/translation involved, I can do that of course | 09:14 |
| tseliot | pitti: sure, I can add that dependency | 09:19 |
| tseliot | pitti: I have a wacom tablet here | 09:20 |
| lool | pitti: Are the pm-utils-powersave-policy scripts run on boot as well? | 09:24 |
| pitti | lool: dk-power runs them when it starts, i. e. on desktop startup | 09:25 |
| lool | Ok | 09:25 |
| pitti | i. e. well after ureadahead and daemon startup | 09:25 |
| lool | I wasn't sure what was reading these on startup | 09:25 |
| tseliot | pitti: ^^ | 09:30 |
| pitti | tseliot: ok to hand this WI off to you then? | 09:31 |
| tseliot | pitti: where's the blueprint? I would like to have a look at it | 09:31 |
| pitti | tseliot: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-xorg-halsectomy | 09:32 |
| tseliot | pitti: ok, I'll test wacom | 09:33 |
| pitti | tseliot: cheers; please ping me if it doesn't work | 09:34 |
| seb128 | vuntz_, hey | 09:34 |
| tseliot | pitti: sure | 09:34 |
| seb128 | vuntz_, did you see my pings yesterday? | 09:34 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - do we still want HAL support in gnome-power-manager? upstream provide a build option to enable HAL support now, and it is disabled by default | 09:49 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I think we still need it for now, for backlight | 09:49 |
| pitti | many cards/drivers don't have xbacklight support yet | 09:50 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i thought so. thanks | 09:50 |
| pitti | so we keep it as build option | 09:50 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I think for lucid final we'll install hal by default and make it d-bus activated | 09:50 |
| pitti | then we just need to fix gpm to not trigger hal on startup, only when xbacklight is not available | 09:50 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll hopefully finish that later. i have to re-write the notify-osd patch, as the notify code in g-p-m changed a lot | 09:50 |
| pitti | oh, again? | 09:56 |
| * baptistemm removed hal after upgrade to lucid | 10:03 | |
| baptistemm | perhaps I made a mistake | 10:04 |
| pitti | baptistemm: what's broken now? | 10:04 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, it's using the g-s-d style notifications now | 10:04 |
| baptistemm | It removed sound-juicer but that was expected. I admit I didn't check what is broken | 10:04 |
| baptistemm | as I don''t know what is backlight I didn't notice if it is broken or not :) | 10:05 |
| pitti | baptistemm: being able to change the backlight brightness with the Fn hotkeys | 10:06 |
| baptistemm | ha okay, I'll check | 10:06 |
| pitti | baptistemm: in general, if you didn't notice a change (except perhaps slightly faster boot), that's a good sign :) | 10:07 |
| tjaalton | pitti: you had an intel where it no longer worked, right? | 10:12 |
| pitti | tjaalton: correct | 10:13 |
| pitti | well, the hotkeys do work | 10:13 |
| pitti | since they are hardwired | 10:13 |
| pitti | but I don't get notifications for it any more | 10:13 |
| pitti | (not that I'd care much..) | 10:13 |
| tjaalton | my thinkpad works fine, don't know if it's different then | 10:13 |
| tjaalton | notifications and all | 10:13 |
| baptistemm | I do have a thinkpad t61 + intel 945, so we have the same hardware to test with ? | 10:16 |
| baptistemm | :) | 10:16 |
| tjaalton | mine is a X61 with 965, but close enough I think | 10:17 |
| tjaalton | the notifications are butt-ugly though, but I think that's on purpose :) | 10:17 |
| Krwlng | hi | 10:17 |
| mvo_ | seb128: the problem with the "-" seems to be harden than expceted, maybe a bug is a good idea | 10:23 |
| seb128 | mvo_, ok, will open one | 10:24 |
| mvo_ | seb128: sorry for that, its a xapian thing | 10:24 |
| seb128 | mvo_, or if it's too low priority and bug is only noise let's forget about it | 10:24 |
| seb128 | it's a detail | 10:24 |
| mvo_ | yeah, still :) | 10:24 |
| mvo_ | should work! | 10:24 |
| seb128 | ok, will open a bug | 10:24 |
| seb128 | then you can do what you want from it ;-) | 10:24 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo_ | 10:24 | |
| mvo_ | thanks, target, milestone, set priority to high | 10:25 |
| mvo_ | and assign to you :P | 10:25 |
| seb128 | lol | 10:25 |
| mvo_ | no, just kidding :) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | do you want a cookie and tea too? | 10:25 |
| mvo_ | please :) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:25 |
| * mvo_ hugs seb128 | 10:25 | |
| * seb128 hugs mvo_ | 10:25 | |
| seb128 | mvo_, apt-xapian-index source? | 10:27 |
| mvo_ | software-center I think | 10:27 |
| seb128 | I was having the issue in synaptic | 10:27 |
| seb128 | but as you want | 10:27 |
| mvo_ | I may need to put some code there too for the indexing, but I think the tricky bit is the query | 10:27 |
| mvo_ | right, synaptic is using the same QueryParser as s-c | 10:28 |
| seb128 | mvo_, bug #497708 | 10:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497708 in software-center "xapian query doesn't handle the "-" chars correctly" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497708 | 10:40 |
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| asac | pitti: i will do it when arriving at home | 10:53 |
| asac | so in 1.5h | 10:53 |
| * asac on vac ... but not really (today) | 10:53 | |
| pitti | asac: lool already did it, but thanks | 10:54 |
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| pitti | I need to disappear for some 2 hours for an appointment | 13:36 |
| seb128 | pitti, see you later | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | later pitti | 13:36 |
| cassidy | any reason why humanity-icon-theme only ships svg of some size instead of a scalable version in svg and all the size in png as gnome-icon-theme does? | 14:13 |
| seb128 | cassidy, I think that's wanted yet, mac_v might know why | 14:26 |
| seb128 | mvo_, when installing binary-gui which depends on binary software install has 2 binary-gui lines, is that expected or is that buggy? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | I would expect to have each line name reflecting the binary installed | 14:27 |
| mvo_ | seb128: that sounds like a bug - that is s-c ? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | or at least the second one to be binary-gui (binary) | 14:27 |
| seb128 | mvo_, yes | 14:28 |
| mvo_ | seb128: what is the package name? | 14:28 |
| mac_v | cassidy: we just havent done the icons in all sizes , we have mostly done icons in the sizes they are used and the rest of the sizes are low in the TODO list | 14:28 |
| mvo_ | binary-gui? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | mvo_, I installed oprofile-gui | 14:28 |
| seb128 | which depends on oprofile | 14:28 |
| seb128 | and I got 2 oprofile-gui lines | 14:28 |
| * mvo_ tries | 14:28 | |
| mvo_ | yep | 14:28 |
| mvo_ | same here | 14:28 |
| mvo_ | nice catch! | 14:28 |
| mac_v | cassidy: but , we want to do them for sure :) ... any reason for the doubt? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | mvo_, want a bug? | 14:29 |
| mvo_ | seb128: maybe later, i hope I can fix it directly | 14:29 |
| mvo_ | seb128: but its fine for now, I can reproduce it | 14:30 |
| cassidy | mac_v, I changed some code in Empathy and now one icon is much bigger than before and noticed it was only in 48 | 14:30 |
| mac_v | cassidy: which icon is misbehaving? | 14:30 |
| seb128 | mvo_, ok thanks | 14:31 |
| cassidy | mac_v, audio-input-microphone.svg | 14:31 |
| chrisccoulson1 | yay, it's snowing outside! | 14:31 |
| mac_v | hmm , | 14:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson1, bah, lucky you ;-) | 14:32 |
| chrisccoulson1 | seb128 - it's only snowed a little so far | 14:32 |
| baptistemm | yeah lucky one. | 14:32 |
| mac_v | cassidy: but the 48px icons are all set as scalable in humanity , even if we dont have the smaller size the app should be able to scale it down.. BTW , which size is required? | 14:32 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i don't want much more, else it will take me ages to get home ;) | 14:32 |
| baptistemm | I wish I could do a snowman :) | 14:32 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson1, good reason to leave work early to avoid too much snow? ;-) | 14:33 |
| cassidy | mac_v, GTK_ICON_SIZE_MENU but maybe that's my code which is bugged and don't rescale properly | 14:33 |
| chrisccoulson1 | seb128 - i don't think my employer is flexible enough to let me do that ;) | 14:33 |
| mvo_ | seb128: let me know how oprofile is | 14:35 |
| seb128 | mvo_, I will, interested in optimizing your code too? ;-) | 14:35 |
| seb128 | mvo_, seems you are good at that, software-center rocks | 14:35 |
| mvo_ | with everybody else doing it, I don't want to stay behind ;) | 14:36 |
| seb128 | it's fast even on the mini config | 14:36 |
| mvo_ | bäh, I can not reproduce it anymore (the oprofile one) now that I turned on debugging | 14:36 |
| seb128 | (which is not the case of update-manager which blocks for long enough at start to have the compiz thing painting it) | 14:36 |
| mvo_ | seb128: nice! I guess the indexing during pkg install is pretty slow | 14:36 |
| mvo_ | seb128: yeah, u-m needs some love too | 14:37 |
| seb128 | mvo_, btw I've the same on uninstall, ie remove oprofile | 14:37 |
| seb128 | ie will have a line named oprofile for oprofile-gui too | 14:37 |
| mvo_ | *grr* now it always works | 14:38 |
| mvo_ | a minute ago it didn't | 14:38 |
| seb128 | lol | 14:38 |
| mvo_ | so even with package in lucid on the mini its still fast? | 14:39 |
| mvo_ | thats great to hear :) | 14:39 |
| seb128 | mvo_, yes | 14:39 |
| seb128 | good work ;-) | 14:39 |
| mvo_ | cool | 14:39 |
| * mvo_ is happy | 14:39 | |
| seb128 | btw count is weird too | 14:39 |
| seb128 | on start the status bar states "2230 application available" | 14:40 |
| seb128 | click on a category and then back to start screen | 14:40 |
| seb128 | and the count is 43153 now ;-) | 14:40 |
| mvo_ | if you do it again, does it multiple by factor 20 again ;) ? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | no, it stays on 43153 | 14:41 |
| mvo_ | I can reproduce that too, but for me its "just" 32104 | 14:41 |
| mac_v | cassidy: i'm not sure whats wrong in empathy, but ideally the app should be able to scale the icon , some icon themes only have 128px scalable icons , the problem would arise there too , but the icons we'll get them done in time :) | 14:41 |
| mvo_ | you got apparently some more repos enabled | 14:41 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:42 |
| seb128 | I might still have karmic-updates, etc | 14:42 |
| * seb128 stops playing with software-center now | 14:43 | |
| seb128 | mvo_, I've bounced enough issues your way for today I think ;-) | 14:43 |
| seb128 | mvo_, the frame around screenshots is wrong too sometime | 14:45 |
| seb128 | anyway enough s-c bugging for now | 14:45 |
| mvo_ | seb128: wrong in what way? in the details view? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | mvo_, no, open gcalctool | 14:46 |
| seb128 | and look at the screenshot | 14:46 |
| seb128 | in s-c I mean, not the software | 14:46 |
| mvo_ | right, you mean that it got this extra lines on the bottom? | 14:46 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:46 |
| seb128 | the frame doesn't match the screenshot | 14:46 |
| seb128 | there is a blank area too | 14:46 |
| seb128 | it looks weird | 14:47 |
| mvo_ | yeah | 14:47 |
| cassidy | mac_v, got it, I fixed scaling in Empathy :) | 14:48 |
| mac_v | neat :) | 14:48 |
| mvo_ | seb128: thanks, it was a race. fixed in trunk | 14:58 |
| seb128 | mvo_, did I already say that you rock today? ;-) | 14:59 |
| mvo_ | seb128: I think so, I still like to hear :) | 15:00 |
| * mvo_ is happy | 15:00 | |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:00 |
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| mvo_ | mpt: for software-center, what should the initial status bar say "2000 applications available" (so it counts just the applications) or "22000 software items available" ? | 15:39 |
| mvo_ | seb128: count issue is now fixed as well I think | 15:44 |
| fagan | kenvandine: is the rgba in lucid going to be fixed this week? | 16:06 |
| seb128 | mvo_, excellent ;-) | 16:06 |
| seb128 | fagan, then is no rgba in lucid, it's in a ppa so far | 16:06 |
| seb128 | then -> there | 16:06 |
| fagan | seb128: thats what I was asking aboyt | 16:07 |
| fagan | *about | 16:07 |
| seb128 | it's not likley now no | 16:07 |
| seb128 | likely | 16:07 |
| seb128 | can't typo today! | 16:07 |
| fagan | I just wanted to know so I can test | 16:07 |
| seb128 | week is almost over and there is still known crashers | 16:07 |
| seb128 | gksu has been fixed though | 16:07 |
| seb128 | but totem crashes | 16:08 |
| seb128 | and some other issues | 16:08 |
| fagan | gksu is a pain when its not working | 16:09 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: ping | 16:11 |
| rickspencer3 | hi tseliot | 16:11 |
| mpt | mvo_, "The status bar text should be of the form “29 079 items available”." <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#lobby> | 16:11 |
| rickspencer3 | ooh call time | 16:11 |
| tseliot | right | 16:11 |
| mvo_ | mpt: ok, thanks | 16:15 |
| pitti | so long, good night everyone | 16:58 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 16:58 |
| * Amaranth looks around | 17:01 | |
| seb128 | hey Amaranth | 17:02 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 17:02 |
| Amaranth | howdy | 17:02 |
| Amaranth | doing good, slept in on my day off :) | 17:02 |
| Amaranth | you? | 17:02 |
| seb128 | good, thanks | 17:03 |
| seb128 | I asked mvo_ what he though about the compiz split | 17:03 |
| seb128 | he seems to think some 27 binaries is overdoing it too | 17:04 |
| mvo_ | is it really 27? | 17:04 |
| seb128 | what would you think about dropping everything buggy or useless and putting everything else not used by default in one extra binary? | 17:04 |
| Amaranth | mvo_: well there are something like 70 plugins if we were to split them all | 17:05 |
| Amaranth | I didn't plan on doing that though, just compiz-plugins and plugins-main while dropping the excess (minimize vs animation, plane vs wall, etc) and the buggy/crazy | 17:06 |
| seb128 | heh | 17:06 |
| seb128 | you told me you did it a week ago or so | 17:06 |
| seb128 | don't make me grep for logs ;-) | 17:06 |
| Amaranth | Right, I told you I split compiz-plugins | 17:06 |
| Amaranth | Then you said to drop the ones we didn't want | 17:06 |
| seb128 | do you have those changes somewhere? | 17:07 |
| seb128 | well that's my opinion | 17:07 |
| Amaranth | I agree with it :) | 17:07 |
| seb128 | I'm open to discuss if you disagree | 17:07 |
| seb128 | good ;-) | 17:07 |
| * mvo_ needs to leave for dinner now, sorry for that | 17:07 | |
| seb128 | mvo_, enjoy | 17:07 |
| Amaranth | I was just going to get rid of options for the plugins that were crazy/broken but getting read of whole plugins never occured to me | 17:07 |
| Amaranth | But I guess we can split each one into "stuff we use" and "stuff we don't use" instead | 17:08 |
| Amaranth | But you have to tell me how to name them :) | 17:08 |
| * Ng notes it's almost christmas and the snow plugin is deprecated ;( | 17:08 | |
| seb128 | well I would do 3 categories | 17:08 |
| seb128 | things which are known to be buggy and should not be used, which we would just stop shipping | 17:08 |
| Amaranth | s/deprecated/removed from karmic/ | 17:08 |
| seb128 | things we install by default | 17:08 |
| seb128 | things we ship in universe | 17:08 |
| Amaranth | seb128: Right and I've got compiz-plugins as the name for the parts we use, what do we name the other one? | 17:09 |
| seb128 | -universe | 17:10 |
| seb128 | ? | 17:10 |
| seb128 | since extras, etc is already used | 17:10 |
| Amaranth | Rather unimaginative but alright ;) | 17:10 |
| Amaranth | btw, why does it matter that the binary is in universe when the source comes from main? | 17:10 |
| seb128 | I'm not really an imaginative person indeed | 17:11 |
| seb128 | it doesn't | 17:11 |
| seb128 | let's use -wedontcare | 17:11 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 17:11 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 17:11 |
| seb128 | or -crackaddict | 17:11 |
| Ng | -unsupported? :) | 17:11 |
| Amaranth | I like -blingtastic | 17:11 |
| Amaranth | Ng: Already taken by upstream | 17:12 |
| Ng | -unsupporteder ;) | 17:12 |
| Amaranth | compiz had a thing sort of like gstreamer's good, bad, and ugly | 17:12 |
| Amaranth | main, extra, unsupported | 17:13 |
| Amaranth | Ng: Unsupported part 2: This time it's serious | 17:13 |
| Ng | this time seb means it | 17:13 |
| * Amaranth wonders why launchpad keeps telling him he uploaded compiz | 17:14 | |
| * mpt blinks at apturl: "Package mencoder is virtual." | 17:19 | |
| mpt | What's that supposed to mean? | 17:19 |
| Amaranth | It means several packages have a Provides for mencoder but there is no package named mencoder | 17:19 |
| mpt | thanks Amaranth | 17:22 |
| mpt | Amaranth, but now I've uninstalled ttf-larabie-deco, apt:ttf-larabie-deco gives me "Package 'ttf-larabie-deco' is virtual." too. So either ttf-larabie-deco is provided by some other package (I don't think so), or that's not what "is virtual" means, or there's a bug in apturl. | 17:24 |
| Amaranth | mpt: I guess the last one | 17:25 |
| mpt | woot | 17:25 |
| Amaranth | mpt: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html section 3.6 explains what a virtual package is | 17:27 |
| Amaranth | so it'd have to be a bug in apturl | 17:27 |
| mpt | thanks | 17:27 |
| mpt | I was just looking at that same page earlier today | 17:27 |
| Amaranth | mencoder does not appear to be virtual either... | 17:30 |
| Amaranth | james_w: according to your email I should be able to do `bzr branch lp:ubuntu/compiz` and get a branch to work on but instead I get this: bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:ubuntu/compiz": compiz in ubuntu has no default branch. | 17:32 |
| Amaranth | seb128: on bug 356702 upstream actually completely failed to understand the problem but decided it was a dupe of a known libwnck (not compiz) bug instead | 17:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 356702 in compiz "tooltips stick when they shouldn't" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356702 | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | msg eeejay_away hi | 17:40 |
| Amaranth | oops :) | 17:40 |
| Amaranth | I have a feeling the problem is libwnck isn't getting mouse events during the viewport change animation so doesn't know the mouse left and gets into a weird state | 17:41 |
| mpt | mvo_, are URLs of the form "apt+http://launchpad.net/~mvo/ppa?package=2vcard" actually supposed to be implemented at the moment? Firefox gives me an error when I try to open one, and won't let me set up apturl to handle it. | 17:46 |
| mpt | ("Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt+http) isn't associated with any program.") | 17:46 |
| james_w | Amaranth: compiz hasn't been imported yet | 17:51 |
| Amaranth | james_w: ah, that explains it then | 17:51 |
| === eeejay_away is now known as eeejay | ||
| mac_v | Amaranth: hi.. what happened to the show desktop plugin in Lucid? , has it been removed? | 19:45 |
| Amaranth | mac_v: that's in plugins-extra, you need to install it | 19:45 |
| mac_v | ah... | 19:45 |
| mac_v | Amaranth: is this due to the new split? | 19:45 |
| Amaranth | no, we just don't use any plugins from that package so don't install it | 19:45 |
| mac_v | oh , ok | 19:46 |
| baptistemm | hi pitti | 20:24 |
| baptistemm | backlight is working | 20:24 |
| baptistemm | hmm actually hal was not removed, ... | 20:24 |
| baptistemm | ah, I'm just wrong. hal is removed, but libhal and mibhal-storage are still installed | 20:25 |
| chrisccoulson | hi awe - i just replied to your mail | 21:43 |
| chrisccoulson | (sorry, I only just got in from work) | 21:44 |
| awe | chrisccoulson, thanks! | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | hey jcastro | 21:48 |
| chrisccoulson | i just replied to the tracker bug you opened :) | 21:48 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm going to work on updating to the latest version of tracker over the next couple of weeks, so I don't think anyone should spend any effort porting it to use the new application indicator yet | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 21:50 |
| seb128 | hello chrisccoulson | 21:50 |
| seb128 | jcastro, there? | 21:50 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 21:50 |
| jcastro | seb128: yeah | 21:50 |
| seb128 | good thanks | 21:50 |
| seb128 | you? | 21:50 |
| seb128 | did you manage to go back from work? | 21:50 |
| seb128 | jcastro, thanks for bug flooding us ;-) | 21:50 |
| jcastro | seb128: hey I just work here! | 21:50 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: great, that's why we filed them all, to be aware of issues like that | 21:51 |
| seb128 | jcastro, heh, joke aside would be nice to put an useful url in the bugs | 21:51 |
| seb128 | but that might be late now | 21:51 |
| seb128 | like a tutorial | 21:51 |
| seb128 | or a blog post explaining the thing | 21:51 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i got back from work (just now) | 21:51 |
| jcastro | seb128: I am going to add a URL to the porting guide to the URL that it's currently pointing to | 21:51 |
| seb128 | because the tarball page is of no real use... | 21:51 |
| chrisccoulson | the weather is not too bad though - most of the snow has gone now. it's just very icy | 21:52 |
| jcastro | yeah I only realized that after I had sent the mail | 21:52 |
| jcastro | seb128: but don't worry I am working on it now! | 21:52 |
| seb128 | jcastro, good ;-) | 21:52 |
| seb128 | jcastro, I just though you had documentation ready etc | 21:52 |
| jcastro | I do | 21:52 |
| seb128 | so I was a bit disappointed when I clicked on the url | 21:52 |
| jcastro | I have it all ready | 21:52 |
| jcastro | I just didn't link | 21:52 |
| seb128 | I actually wanted to have a look at those | 21:52 |
| jcastro | it will be fixed in a minute | 21:52 |
| seb128 | ok good | 21:52 |
| seb128 | thanks | 21:52 |
| seb128 | you rock! | 21:52 |
| * seb128 hugs jcastro | 21:52 | |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators | 21:53 |
| seb128 | that's useful! | 21:53 |
| jcastro | even got you a porting guide in 3 languages! | 21:54 |
| seb128 | one thing | 21:54 |
| seb128 | would be nice to have a configure example too | 21:55 |
| seb128 | in the C case | 21:55 |
| seb128 | there is quite some people who don't like autotools and just want to copy those things | 21:55 |
| jcastro | ok | 21:55 |
| jcastro | https://edge.launchpad.net/indicator-application | 21:55 |
| jcastro | how's this for discoverability now? | 21:55 |
| seb128 | jcastro, that's much better now ;-) | 21:56 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 21:56 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i have the tomboy patch with appindicator support | 22:03 |
| kenvandine | it will be dep wait for the new binary packages to get NEWed... can i upload? | 22:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you got the bindings in lucid already? | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | uploaded | 22:04 |
| seb128 | new-ed? | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | but will need to be NEWed | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | not yuet | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | yet | 22:04 |
| seb128 | hum | 22:04 |
| seb128 | I would wait | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | ok | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | will do | 22:04 |
| seb128 | or you will block tomboy until those are newed | 22:04 |
| kenvandine | i will push the bzr branch though | 22:04 |
| seb128 | which might not be before a week with people on holidays etc | 22:05 |
| seb128 | who sponsored those? | 22:05 |
| seb128 | is that a new source? | 22:05 |
| kenvandine | no, not new | 22:06 |
| kenvandine | they are in indicator-application | 22:06 |
| seb128 | hum | 22:06 |
| kenvandine | i had pitti look over the packaging a bit this morning | 22:06 |
| seb128 | I can probably binary new those tonight | 22:06 |
| seb128 | upload tomboy | 22:06 |
| kenvandine | ok | 22:06 |
| kenvandine | cool! | 22:06 |
| seb128 | I though that was a new source | 22:06 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure I like having binding built from the new source | 22:07 |
| seb128 | but that's not a discussion for now ;-) | 22:07 |
| kenvandine | hehe... ok | 22:07 |
| kenvandine | well the bindings got added to the upstream source | 22:07 |
| kenvandine | so they are all in one place | 22:07 |
| kenvandine | much better that what happened with libindicate | 22:07 |
| kenvandine | what a pain | 22:07 |
| seb128 | ok | 22:08 |
| seb128 | I'm happy that pygtk is not in gtk source for example ;-) | 22:08 |
| seb128 | jcastro, tedg: that document lacks instruction on what to do | 22:34 |
| seb128 | like what should be done with the software we patch | 22:34 |
| seb128 | it has examples for new code | 22:34 |
| seb128 | it doesn't say if we should have fallback for standard notification area use | 22:34 |
| seb128 | it doesn't say if menus should be reorganized or if currents ones should be used | 22:34 |
| seb128 | is that something you plan to work on documenting too? | 22:35 |
| tedg | seb128: Yes, but we need to finish things like fallbacks in the library. | 22:35 |
| tedg | seb128: mpt has also written some design guidelines. | 22:36 |
| tedg | seb128: I'm not sure why they didn't get in. | 22:36 |
| seb128 | is it worth to start on porting applications now? | 22:36 |
| seb128 | implementing code for things the library will do seems suboptimal | 22:36 |
| tedg | seb128: I would say yes, as for most apps the library will take care of all the fallbacks. | 22:36 |
| seb128 | well, you recommend not having fallback for now then? | 22:36 |
| seb128 | until the library get that done | 22:37 |
| tedg | Yes. | 22:37 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 22:37 |
| robert_ancell | grr, is bzr down | 22:37 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, who can do SRUs? I did a proper SRU for gcalctool but no-one has sponsored it (bug 483730). I | 22:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 483730 in gcalctool "gnome-calculator not giving expected results: 2e-2 is not 0.02 ..." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483730 | 22:41 |
| robert_ancell | 'd like to release 5.28.2 to karmic | 22:41 |
| TheMuso | /c/c | 22:42 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, you should subscribe sponsors if you want sponsoring | 22:42 |
| seb128 | you didn't there | 22:42 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, did you try? you might be able now | 22:42 |
| seb128 | gcalctool is in the desktop set | 22:42 |
| seb128 | or it should | 22:42 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ah, ok | 22:43 |
| * robert_ancell looks up SRU documentation | 22:43 | |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell - i just sponsored a karmic SRU for transmission, and that uploaded ok | 22:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, you apparently subscribed the sru team to the bug | 22:43 |
| seb128 | which should be subscribed after upload | 22:43 |
| seb128 | they do review not uploads | 22:43 |
| seb128 | and they work in reverse I think | 22:43 |
| seb128 | ie notice things in the queue and go the bug | 22:44 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so they take it out of proposed and into karmic? | 22:44 |
| seb128 | which explain why nobody commented on that bug | 22:44 |
| seb128 | yes | 22:44 |
| seb128 | it's the same as hard freeze | 22:44 |
| seb128 | you need an archive admin to wave uploads through from the queue | 22:45 |
| seb128 | the sru team do the debdiff review and accept the updates | 22:45 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hmm, I also want to make a karmic bzr branch to practise that but bzr/lp seems down at the moment | 22:45 |
| seb128 | right | 22:45 |
| seb128 | cf #ubuntu-devel | 22:45 |
| seb128 | or #launchpad topic... | 22:45 |
| robert_ancell | I'm putting together a proposal for bzr in oem - what do you guys see as the big advantages over the previous system? | 22:46 |
| seb128 | review are much easier | 22:46 |
| seb128 | when you ask somebody to fix something you can review the new commit | 22:47 |
| seb128 | rather than diffing diffs than you download from somewhere | 22:47 |
| seb128 | you can also see history of changes | 22:47 |
| seb128 | it allow stacking work without uploading | 22:47 |
| seb128 | or you can start working on something and not conflict with other people because everybody works in his corner | 22:48 |
| seb128 | it makes easier to have somebody else looking at your changes | 22:48 |
| seb128 | or fixing those | 22:48 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, was there a reason why we went with only the debian/ dir in bzr - was that to keep merging with debian easier? | 22:48 |
| seb128 | it's mainly due to me saying no to full source | 22:49 |
| seb128 | the main concern was speed issues | 22:49 |
| seb128 | like bzr get from nautilus taking 25 minutes | 22:49 |
| seb128 | where apt-get takes 1 minute to download the tarball | 22:49 |
| seb128 | but bzr got much better since | 22:49 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, right, I wonder if that is fixed with bzr 2 | 22:49 |
| robert_ancell | is debian moving to drop dpatch and use git instead? | 22:50 |
| seb128 | I think we should use full source now | 22:50 |
| seb128 | not sure | 22:50 |
| seb128 | their new source format has quilt builtin | 22:50 |
| seb128 | but they can use git too I think | 22:50 |
| seb128 | not sure what people will do | 22:50 |
| seb128 | Debian doesn't enforce such decisions | 22:51 |
| seb128 | it's up to people to decide | 22:51 |
| robert_ancell | bzr is back! | 22:51 |
| seb128 | good ;-) | 22:51 |
| seb128 | using full source will make cherry picking and merges easier too | 22:51 |
| seb128 | though merges don't have often things out of the debian dir | 22:52 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, right, so I'm wondering if I should recommend to oem to go straight to full source and we'll start doing that in lucid+1 | 22:53 |
| seb128 | right | 22:54 |
| seb128 | I'm not opposed to do it in lucid | 22:54 |
| seb128 | you could use gdm as an example | 22:55 |
| seb128 | or gcalctool | 22:55 |
| robert_ancell | I'm using gcalctool as an example :) | 22:55 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 22:55 |
| seb128 | did you read james_w's email? | 22:56 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, don't know the email, did he send it today? | 22:58 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, no, yesterday your time I think | 22:59 |
| seb128 | one day ago on ubuntu-devel list | 22:59 |
| * robert_ancell looking | 23:00 | |
| robert_ancell | ah yes | 23:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, still there? | 23:03 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yeah | 23:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I'm not sure about your libindicate-cil-dev | 23:03 |
| kenvandine | ? | 23:03 |
| seb128 | looking to the other .pc for sharp things I've installed | 23:04 |
| seb128 | which is a good list of those | 23:04 |
| seb128 | they all put the .pc in the -cil | 23:04 |
| seb128 | ie they don't have an extra -dev binary | 23:04 |
| kenvandine | humm | 23:04 |
| kenvandine | weird... it does seem like a waste to have the binary for one file | 23:05 |
| kenvandine | but it seems weird to include a pkgconfig file in a lib? | 23:05 |
| seb128 | well I've 21 example on my box | 23:06 |
| seb128 | and they are all consitant | 23:06 |
| seb128 | I would say the mono packager decide on that in Debian | 23:06 |
| kenvandine | ok... then i'll whack that then :) | 23:06 |
| seb128 | the mono packagers rather | 23:06 |
| seb128 | you might want to ask a mono guy | 23:06 |
| seb128 | ie directhex on #ubuntu-devel for example | 23:07 |
| kenvandine | i looked, it does seem consistent | 23:07 |
| Laney | we just changed that | 23:07 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html | 23:08 |
| Laney | this is a new policy, http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/Mono-devTransition | 23:08 |
| seb128 | Laney, what did you decide on? | 23:09 |
| seb128 | the page has a list but no details about the transition | 23:10 |
| Laney | yeah, I don't know if it's written down | 23:10 |
| Laney | -dev containing the pc file and a ${binary:Version} dep on the lib basically | 23:10 |
| seb128 | so what should be done? | 23:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ^ | 23:10 |
| seb128 | you are leading innovation apparently there ;-) | 23:10 |
| Laney | it's to help for transitions | 23:11 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 23:11 |
| seb128 | Laney, thank you | 23:11 |
| kenvandine | seb128, it's what other distros do :) | 23:11 |
| Laney | np | 23:12 |
| kenvandine | ok, so we can leave as is | 23:12 |
| kenvandine | thx Laney | 23:12 |
| Laney | there is a little gotcha with tomboy packaging and mono 2.4.3 btw | 23:12 |
| Laney | you might want to grab the change from tomboy -3 that we just uploaded to debian | 23:12 |
| Laney | unless you like 8mb more of deps :) | 23:12 |
| * kenvandine needs to jet for a bit | 23:12 | |
| kenvandine | eww | 23:12 |
| kenvandine | Laney, i'll look | 23:12 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I will new your binaries to main now | 23:13 |
| seb128 | have fun | 23:13 |
| kenvandine | thx | 23:13 |
| seb128 | see you tomorrow ;-) | 23:13 |
| seb128 | I'm probably off to bed soon after that | 23:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hum, the dev should be arch all I guess | 23:18 |
| seb128 | since it has only the .pc which is txt | 23:19 |
| seb128 | to fix in a next upload | 23:19 |
| Laney | don't forget the replaces too | 23:19 |
| Laney | if you are moving from non -dev to having one | 23:20 |
| seb128 | Laney, it's a new package in this case | 23:20 |
| seb128 | the new indicator thing | 23:20 |
| seb128 | but thanks | 23:20 |
| Laney | okey dokey | 23:20 |
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