[00:33] TheMuso, is there a way to set the master volume/mute from the command line, i.e. exactly like if I had used the multimedia keys to do it? [00:43] robert_ancell: Either the amixer command if you want something scriptable, or the alsamixer ncurses app. [00:44] TheMuso, will that work reliably and will it behave the same as the multimedia keys? I have a fullscreen app that is capturing all the key events and I want a way to keep the audio buttons working [00:47] hmm "amixer sset Master toggle works", what about volume... [00:57] robert_ancell: I don't know amixer's flags very well atm, as I haven't yet really had to work with it. === astechgeek is now known as techgeek === asac_ is now known as asac [06:03] Good morning [08:26] asac, lool: I just filed bug 497672 which is really just red tape (it's a trivial package MIR); do you have a minute to ack it? [08:26] Launchpad bug 497672 in pm-utils-powersave-policy "[MIR] pm-utils-powersave-policy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497672 [08:37] good morning there [08:42] hi chrisccoulson [08:42] good morning everyone [08:42] hey seb128 [08:42] how are you? [08:42] pitti: approved [08:42] lool: cheers [08:42] seb128, chrisccoulson: good morning [08:43] hey lool pitti [08:43] good morning pitti [08:43] chrisccoulson: tired by good otherwise thanks [08:43] you? [08:43] Hey seb128, pitti, chrisccoulson :) [08:43] godd morning pitti, seb128, chrisccoulson, lool :) [08:43] I went to bed at 3am again yesterday [08:43] It's snowing nicely here [08:43] good* [08:43] but tomorrow holidays! [08:43] hey didrocks [08:43] bonjour didrocks [08:43] seb128: ugh [08:43] seb128: Same here :) [08:43] lool: I'm stuck at Velizy because of the snow apparentely :/ [08:43] morning didrocks :) [08:43] seb128 - yeah, i'm quite tired too. spent most of last night trying to get my broadband working, after it decided it no longer wanted to connect [08:43] lool: ice-cold here, too *shiver* [08:44] hey lool and didrocks :) [08:44] pitti: That's because your window is open!! [08:44] pitti - i just had to scrape ice off my car [08:44] although it's probably still colder where you are ;) [08:44] lool: s/here/out there/ :-) [08:46] ice on the car there too [08:46] - 6°C [08:46] i'm not sure it was that cold here [08:46] i'm hoping it snows later (after I get home though) [08:47] snow for the weekend would be good [08:47] relatively warm here (I've got windows open due to excess heat from computers) [08:48] seb128: we do :) http://www.intermobil.org/doris/net/kfz/kfz_cam_anzeige.xml?Back=../kfz/kfz_cam_auswahl.xml&OID=15308 [08:48] pitti, oh, nice! [08:48] pitti, did you have snow yesterday already? [08:48] hello [08:48] bryce - do you have all 8 computers on? [08:48] good morning [08:48] lut baptistemm [08:49] seb128: we had some last weekend, but that one is fresh from last night [08:49] good morning baptistemm [08:49] 5 [08:49] hm, my laptop hardly produces any heat.. [08:49] pitti, ok, so it didn't fit well for your vac day [08:49] testing patch to reenable apport on xserver :-) [08:49] but winter only starts ;-) [08:49] seb128: oh, it did; in the morning I went for some christmas shopping, and house cleaning [08:49] bryce: yay! [08:50] bryce: I think I'll enable apport by default again after that; it's time [08:50] no it's not? [08:50] wait for after holidays break [08:50] pitti - will you be building a snowman this evening? :) [08:50] no point to stack hundred of crashers while everybody isa way [08:50] seb128: ah, ok [08:50] well my opinion but I've mostly given up on reading bugs now anyway so I don't care a lot [08:51] I just feel that will add useless noise since nobody is around to do something of those [08:51] chrisccoulson: I can't, my grandpa celebrates his bday [08:51] seb128: true that, I didn't consider that [08:55] tseliot: do you know whether PowerMizer is enabled by default in the latest nvidia drivers, or if not, how to do that? [08:56] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110949 has some suggestion, but I'm not sure whether that's the official way [08:57] ah, http://forums.opensuse.org/hardware/410089-nvidia-powermizer-how-tweak.html has some more details [08:58] pitti: I spoke with Nvidia about this as I wanted to automatically configure that in Jockey but this is what they told me: https://pastebin.canonical.com/25863/ [08:59] tseliot: right, I was wondering what to add to the jockey handler [08:59] * pitti has a work item for this [08:59] tseliot: oh, great [08:59] so if that's already enabled by default, then no reason to change it [08:59] pitti: you have one less work item now ;) [08:59] right [09:04] tseliot: can we add a dependency to acpid to nvidia-glx? [09:05] tseliot: acpi-support will disappear at some point, and you can uninstall it, so we shouldn't take it for granted that it's there [09:14] tseliot, bryce, tjaalton: I have a work item "test wacom" for desktop-lucid-xorg-halsectomy, but I don't actually have such a device; do you have one? would you take the WI? [09:14] if there's any udev rule writing/translation involved, I can do that of course [09:19] pitti: sure, I can add that dependency [09:20] pitti: I have a wacom tablet here [09:24] pitti: Are the pm-utils-powersave-policy scripts run on boot as well? [09:25] lool: dk-power runs them when it starts, i. e. on desktop startup [09:25] Ok [09:25] i. e. well after ureadahead and daemon startup [09:25] I wasn't sure what was reading these on startup [09:30] pitti: ^^ [09:31] tseliot: ok to hand this WI off to you then? [09:31] pitti: where's the blueprint? I would like to have a look at it [09:32] tseliot: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-xorg-halsectomy [09:33] pitti: ok, I'll test wacom [09:34] tseliot: cheers; please ping me if it doesn't work [09:34] vuntz_, hey [09:34] pitti: sure [09:34] vuntz_, did you see my pings yesterday? [09:49] pitti - do we still want HAL support in gnome-power-manager? upstream provide a build option to enable HAL support now, and it is disabled by default [09:49] chrisccoulson: I think we still need it for now, for backlight [09:50] many cards/drivers don't have xbacklight support yet [09:50] pitti - yeah, i thought so. thanks [09:50] so we keep it as build option [09:50] chrisccoulson: I think for lucid final we'll install hal by default and make it d-bus activated [09:50] then we just need to fix gpm to not trigger hal on startup, only when xbacklight is not available [09:50] i'll hopefully finish that later. i have to re-write the notify-osd patch, as the notify code in g-p-m changed a lot [09:56] oh, again? [10:03] * baptistemm removed hal after upgrade to lucid [10:04] perhaps I made a mistake [10:04] baptistemm: what's broken now? [10:04] pitti - yeah, it's using the g-s-d style notifications now [10:04] It removed sound-juicer but that was expected. I admit I didn't check what is broken [10:05] as I don''t know what is backlight I didn't notice if it is broken or not :) [10:06] baptistemm: being able to change the backlight brightness with the Fn hotkeys [10:06] ha okay, I'll check [10:07] baptistemm: in general, if you didn't notice a change (except perhaps slightly faster boot), that's a good sign :) [10:12] pitti: you had an intel where it no longer worked, right? [10:13] tjaalton: correct [10:13] well, the hotkeys do work [10:13] since they are hardwired [10:13] but I don't get notifications for it any more [10:13] (not that I'd care much..) [10:13] my thinkpad works fine, don't know if it's different then [10:13] notifications and all [10:16] I do have a thinkpad t61 + intel 945, so we have the same hardware to test with ? [10:16] :) [10:17] mine is a X61 with 965, but close enough I think [10:17] the notifications are butt-ugly though, but I think that's on purpose :) [10:17] hi [10:23] seb128: the problem with the "-" seems to be harden than expceted, maybe a bug is a good idea [10:24] mvo_, ok, will open one [10:24] seb128: sorry for that, its a xapian thing [10:24] mvo_, or if it's too low priority and bug is only noise let's forget about it [10:24] it's a detail [10:24] yeah, still :) [10:24] should work! [10:24] ok, will open a bug [10:24] then you can do what you want from it ;-) [10:24] * seb128 hugs mvo_ [10:25] thanks, target, milestone, set priority to high [10:25] and assign to you :P [10:25] lol [10:25] no, just kidding :) [10:25] do you want a cookie and tea too? [10:25] please :) [10:25] ;-) [10:25] * mvo_ hugs seb128 [10:25] * seb128 hugs mvo_ [10:27] mvo_, apt-xapian-index source? [10:27] software-center I think [10:27] I was having the issue in synaptic [10:27] but as you want [10:27] I may need to put some code there too for the indexing, but I think the tricky bit is the query [10:28] right, synaptic is using the same QueryParser as s-c [10:40] mvo_, bug #497708 [10:40] Launchpad bug 497708 in software-center "xapian query doesn't handle the "-" chars correctly" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497708 === mac_v is now known as _ === _ is now known as _7hills === _7hills is now known as mac_v [10:53] pitti: i will do it when arriving at home [10:53] so in 1.5h [10:53] * asac on vac ... but not really (today) [10:54] asac: lool already did it, but thanks === bratsche_ is now known as bratsche [13:36] I need to disappear for some 2 hours for an appointment [13:36] pitti, see you later [13:36] later pitti [14:13] any reason why humanity-icon-theme only ships svg of some size instead of a scalable version in svg and all the size in png as gnome-icon-theme does? [14:26] cassidy, I think that's wanted yet, mac_v might know why [14:27] mvo_, when installing binary-gui which depends on binary software install has 2 binary-gui lines, is that expected or is that buggy? [14:27] I would expect to have each line name reflecting the binary installed [14:27] seb128: that sounds like a bug - that is s-c ? [14:27] or at least the second one to be binary-gui (binary) [14:28] mvo_, yes [14:28] seb128: what is the package name? [14:28] cassidy: we just havent done the icons in all sizes , we have mostly done icons in the sizes they are used and the rest of the sizes are low in the TODO list [14:28] binary-gui? [14:28] mvo_, I installed oprofile-gui [14:28] which depends on oprofile [14:28] and I got 2 oprofile-gui lines [14:28] * mvo_ tries [14:28] yep [14:28] same here [14:28] nice catch! [14:29] cassidy: but , we want to do them for sure :) ... any reason for the doubt? [14:29] mvo_, want a bug? [14:29] seb128: maybe later, i hope I can fix it directly [14:30] seb128: but its fine for now, I can reproduce it [14:30] mac_v, I changed some code in Empathy and now one icon is much bigger than before and noticed it was only in 48 [14:30] cassidy: which icon is misbehaving? [14:31] mvo_, ok thanks [14:31] mac_v, audio-input-microphone.svg [14:31] yay, it's snowing outside! [14:31] hmm , [14:32] chrisccoulson1, bah, lucky you ;-) [14:32] seb128 - it's only snowed a little so far [14:32] yeah lucky one. [14:32] cassidy: but the 48px icons are all set as scalable in humanity , even if we dont have the smaller size the app should be able to scale it down.. BTW , which size is required? [14:32] i don't want much more, else it will take me ages to get home ;) [14:32] I wish I could do a snowman :) [14:33] chrisccoulson1, good reason to leave work early to avoid too much snow? ;-) [14:33] mac_v, GTK_ICON_SIZE_MENU but maybe that's my code which is bugged and don't rescale properly [14:33] seb128 - i don't think my employer is flexible enough to let me do that ;) [14:35] seb128: let me know how oprofile is [14:35] mvo_, I will, interested in optimizing your code too? ;-) [14:35] mvo_, seems you are good at that, software-center rocks [14:36] with everybody else doing it, I don't want to stay behind ;) [14:36] it's fast even on the mini config [14:36] bäh, I can not reproduce it anymore (the oprofile one) now that I turned on debugging [14:36] (which is not the case of update-manager which blocks for long enough at start to have the compiz thing painting it) [14:36] seb128: nice! I guess the indexing during pkg install is pretty slow [14:37] seb128: yeah, u-m needs some love too [14:37] mvo_, btw I've the same on uninstall, ie remove oprofile [14:37] ie will have a line named oprofile for oprofile-gui too [14:38] *grr* now it always works [14:38] a minute ago it didn't [14:38] lol [14:39] so even with package in lucid on the mini its still fast? [14:39] thats great to hear :) [14:39] mvo_, yes [14:39] good work ;-) [14:39] cool [14:39] * mvo_ is happy [14:39] btw count is weird too [14:40] on start the status bar states "2230 application available" [14:40] click on a category and then back to start screen [14:40] and the count is 43153 now ;-) [14:40] if you do it again, does it multiple by factor 20 again ;) ? [14:41] no, it stays on 43153 [14:41] I can reproduce that too, but for me its "just" 32104 [14:41] cassidy: i'm not sure whats wrong in empathy, but ideally the app should be able to scale the icon , some icon themes only have 128px scalable icons , the problem would arise there too , but the icons we'll get them done in time :) [14:41] you got apparently some more repos enabled [14:42] yes [14:42] I might still have karmic-updates, etc [14:43] * seb128 stops playing with software-center now [14:43] mvo_, I've bounced enough issues your way for today I think ;-) [14:45] mvo_, the frame around screenshots is wrong too sometime [14:45] anyway enough s-c bugging for now [14:45] seb128: wrong in what way? in the details view? [14:46] mvo_, no, open gcalctool [14:46] and look at the screenshot [14:46] in s-c I mean, not the software [14:46] right, you mean that it got this extra lines on the bottom? [14:46] yes [14:46] the frame doesn't match the screenshot [14:46] there is a blank area too [14:47] it looks weird [14:47] yeah [14:48] mac_v, got it, I fixed scaling in Empathy :) [14:48] neat :) [14:58] seb128: thanks, it was a race. fixed in trunk [14:59] mvo_, did I already say that you rock today? ;-) [15:00] seb128: I think so, I still like to hear :) [15:00] * mvo_ is happy [15:00] ;-) === kklimonda_ is now known as kklimonda [15:39] mpt: for software-center, what should the initial status bar say "2000 applications available" (so it counts just the applications) or "22000 software items available" ? [15:44] seb128: count issue is now fixed as well I think [16:06] kenvandine: is the rgba in lucid going to be fixed this week? [16:06] mvo_, excellent ;-) [16:06] fagan, then is no rgba in lucid, it's in a ppa so far [16:06] then -> there [16:07] seb128: thats what I was asking aboyt [16:07] *about [16:07] it's not likley now no [16:07] likely [16:07] can't typo today! [16:07] I just wanted to know so I can test [16:07] week is almost over and there is still known crashers [16:07] gksu has been fixed though [16:08] but totem crashes [16:08] and some other issues [16:09] gksu is a pain when its not working [16:11] rickspencer3: ping [16:11] hi tseliot [16:11] mvo_, "The status bar text should be of the form “29 079 items available”." [16:11] ooh call time [16:11] right [16:15] mpt: ok, thanks [16:58] so long, good night everyone [16:58] 'night pitti [17:01] * Amaranth looks around [17:02] hey Amaranth [17:02] how are you? [17:02] howdy [17:02] doing good, slept in on my day off :) [17:02] you? [17:03] good, thanks [17:03] I asked mvo_ what he though about the compiz split [17:04] he seems to think some 27 binaries is overdoing it too [17:04] is it really 27? [17:04] what would you think about dropping everything buggy or useless and putting everything else not used by default in one extra binary? [17:05] mvo_: well there are something like 70 plugins if we were to split them all [17:06] I didn't plan on doing that though, just compiz-plugins and plugins-main while dropping the excess (minimize vs animation, plane vs wall, etc) and the buggy/crazy [17:06] heh [17:06] you told me you did it a week ago or so [17:06] don't make me grep for logs ;-) [17:06] Right, I told you I split compiz-plugins [17:06] Then you said to drop the ones we didn't want [17:07] do you have those changes somewhere? [17:07] well that's my opinion [17:07] I agree with it :) [17:07] I'm open to discuss if you disagree [17:07] good ;-) [17:07] * mvo_ needs to leave for dinner now, sorry for that [17:07] mvo_, enjoy [17:07] I was just going to get rid of options for the plugins that were crazy/broken but getting read of whole plugins never occured to me [17:08] But I guess we can split each one into "stuff we use" and "stuff we don't use" instead [17:08] But you have to tell me how to name them :) [17:08] * Ng notes it's almost christmas and the snow plugin is deprecated ;( [17:08] well I would do 3 categories [17:08] things which are known to be buggy and should not be used, which we would just stop shipping [17:08] s/deprecated/removed from karmic/ [17:08] things we install by default [17:08] things we ship in universe [17:09] seb128: Right and I've got compiz-plugins as the name for the parts we use, what do we name the other one? [17:10] -universe [17:10] ? [17:10] since extras, etc is already used [17:10] Rather unimaginative but alright ;) [17:10] btw, why does it matter that the binary is in universe when the source comes from main? [17:11] I'm not really an imaginative person indeed [17:11] it doesn't [17:11] let's use -wedontcare [17:11] ;-) [17:11] hehe [17:11] or -crackaddict [17:11] -unsupported? :) [17:11] I like -blingtastic [17:12] Ng: Already taken by upstream [17:12] -unsupporteder ;) [17:12] compiz had a thing sort of like gstreamer's good, bad, and ugly [17:13] main, extra, unsupported [17:13] Ng: Unsupported part 2: This time it's serious [17:13] this time seb means it [17:14] * Amaranth wonders why launchpad keeps telling him he uploaded compiz [17:19] * mpt blinks at apturl: "Package mencoder is virtual." [17:19] What's that supposed to mean? [17:19] It means several packages have a Provides for mencoder but there is no package named mencoder [17:22] thanks Amaranth [17:24] Amaranth, but now I've uninstalled ttf-larabie-deco, apt:ttf-larabie-deco gives me "Package 'ttf-larabie-deco' is virtual." too. So either ttf-larabie-deco is provided by some other package (I don't think so), or that's not what "is virtual" means, or there's a bug in apturl. [17:25] mpt: I guess the last one [17:25] woot [17:27] mpt: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html section 3.6 explains what a virtual package is [17:27] so it'd have to be a bug in apturl [17:27] thanks [17:27] I was just looking at that same page earlier today [17:30] mencoder does not appear to be virtual either... [17:32] james_w: according to your email I should be able to do `bzr branch lp:ubuntu/compiz` and get a branch to work on but instead I get this: bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:ubuntu/compiz": compiz in ubuntu has no default branch. [17:39] seb128: on bug 356702 upstream actually completely failed to understand the problem but decided it was a dupe of a known libwnck (not compiz) bug instead [17:39] Launchpad bug 356702 in compiz "tooltips stick when they shouldn't" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356702 [17:40] msg eeejay_away hi [17:40] oops :) [17:41] I have a feeling the problem is libwnck isn't getting mouse events during the viewport change animation so doesn't know the mouse left and gets into a weird state [17:46] mvo_, are URLs of the form "apt+http://launchpad.net/~mvo/ppa?package=2vcard" actually supposed to be implemented at the moment? Firefox gives me an error when I try to open one, and won't let me set up apturl to handle it. [17:46] ("Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt+http) isn't associated with any program.") [17:51] Amaranth: compiz hasn't been imported yet [17:51] james_w: ah, that explains it then === eeejay_away is now known as eeejay [19:45] Amaranth: hi.. what happened to the show desktop plugin in Lucid? , has it been removed? [19:45] mac_v: that's in plugins-extra, you need to install it [19:45] ah... [19:45] Amaranth: is this due to the new split? [19:45] no, we just don't use any plugins from that package so don't install it [19:46] oh , ok [20:24] hi pitti [20:24] backlight is working [20:24] hmm actually hal was not removed, ... [20:25] ah, I'm just wrong. hal is removed, but libhal and mibhal-storage are still installed [21:43] hi awe - i just replied to your mail [21:44] (sorry, I only just got in from work) [21:45] chrisccoulson, thanks! [21:48] hey jcastro [21:48] i just replied to the tracker bug you opened :) [21:49] i'm going to work on updating to the latest version of tracker over the next couple of weeks, so I don't think anyone should spend any effort porting it to use the new application indicator yet [21:50] hey seb128 [21:50] hello chrisccoulson [21:50] jcastro, there? [21:50] how are you? [21:50] seb128: yeah [21:50] good thanks [21:50] you? [21:50] did you manage to go back from work? [21:50] jcastro, thanks for bug flooding us ;-) [21:50] seb128: hey I just work here! [21:51] chrisccoulson: great, that's why we filed them all, to be aware of issues like that [21:51] jcastro, heh, joke aside would be nice to put an useful url in the bugs [21:51] but that might be late now [21:51] like a tutorial [21:51] or a blog post explaining the thing [21:51] seb128 - yeah, i got back from work (just now) [21:51] seb128: I am going to add a URL to the porting guide to the URL that it's currently pointing to [21:51] because the tarball page is of no real use... [21:52] the weather is not too bad though - most of the snow has gone now. it's just very icy [21:52] yeah I only realized that after I had sent the mail [21:52] seb128: but don't worry I am working on it now! [21:52] jcastro, good ;-) [21:52] jcastro, I just though you had documentation ready etc [21:52] I do [21:52] so I was a bit disappointed when I clicked on the url [21:52] I have it all ready [21:52] I just didn't link [21:52] I actually wanted to have a look at those [21:52] it will be fixed in a minute [21:52] ok good [21:52] thanks [21:52] you rock! [21:52] * seb128 hugs jcastro [21:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators [21:53] that's useful! [21:54] even got you a porting guide in 3 languages! [21:54] one thing [21:55] would be nice to have a configure example too [21:55] in the C case [21:55] there is quite some people who don't like autotools and just want to copy those things [21:55] ok [21:55] https://edge.launchpad.net/indicator-application [21:55] how's this for discoverability now? [21:56]