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doctormook we can go through it now then, if you have any old branches, delete them in launchpad (unless you've got stuff to move over)00:02
doctormoThen we'll make a fresh branch and work from there.00:02
pleia2ok00:02
pleia2I'll check out a new branch00:02
pleia2oh, I have a question00:03
pleia2hehe00:03
doctormosure thing00:03
pleia2so I already have a branch hanging out there in lp00:03
pleia2but I'd have to check it out againt to get it (I wiped the dev vm I was working on it in)00:03
pleia2it has stuff I want, but not much - do I need to check it out and save it now? will my new branch do something weird to it when I upload?00:04
doctormopleia2: Not to worry, only be concerned if you pushed it to launchpad.00:04
pleia2I did00:04
doctormoAlthough lp is suffering from update-o'clock.00:04
pleia2doh!00:04
doctormoSo we can't clean that up right now, just a make a note to delete that branch or mark it as invalid.00:05
doctormojust good house keeping00:05
pleia2ok00:05
doctormoOK, check yourself out a fresh branch using `bzr branch lp:ubuntu-learning-materials`00:05
pleia2this means I also can't check out your latest branch with the build scripts00:05
doctormoYou should be able to read it, just not push anything00:05
pleia2hm, not working00:07
pleia2elizabeth@r2d2:~/bzr$ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-learning-materials00:07
pleia2bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:ubuntu-learning-materials": OOPS-1447EA2500:07
doctormolet me try00:07
doctormoLaunchpad is obviously dead as a very dead thing.00:09
pleia2hehe00:10
doctormopleia2: If I had an outgoing ip and a good router, I would have hosted my branch for you, but I forget how to.00:12
pleia2it's ok00:12
pleia2doctormo: I was able to grab the branch :)00:25
doctormook great!00:30
doctormopleia2: How long do you have left? time wise?00:30
pleia2an hour00:30
doctormook00:30
pleia2then I have an irc meeting with my loco, but I can do both at once if we run over in time :)00:30
doctormopleia2: Right, so change dir into the root of the branch00:31
pleia2done00:31
doctormopick which section your new class will go under00:31
doctormoI assume community00:31
pleia2ok, this is under community00:32
doctormosince it's a leadership course.00:32
* pleia2 nods00:32
doctormonow type `./builder/create.sh community my-leadership-course` taking care to change the name to what you wish it to be.00:32
doctormothis should create the directory community/what-ever-name-you-chose/00:32
doctormoand you should cd into it, in a different tab or window (so you can keep the root terminal open for building)00:33
pleia2neat00:33
doctormoOK, now just for testing, we're going to modify title.txt00:34
pleia2elizabeth@r2d2:~/bzr/ubuntu-learning-materials/community/leadership$ ls00:34
pleia201-begin.txt                introduction.txt  student_requirements.txt00:34
pleia2authors.txt                 presentation00:34
pleia2classroom_requirements.txt  resources00:34
pleia2there is no title.txt00:34
doctormooh00:35
doctormobug00:35
doctormopleia2: OK I've just updated the create with title.txt you can just make one if you want, it's a single line file with the full english name of the course, spaces, capitals, everything.00:36
pleia2ok00:36
doctormoNow you've got that, in your root tab using the builder to compile your new class: `./builder/build.sh community what-ever-name-you-chose`00:37
pleia2oh, it tries to open up something in xorg, at the end huh? :)00:38
doctormoit should create a build directory and inside of that should be your category/class and inside that class dir should be your docbooks and testing html files.00:39
doctormopleia2: It tries to load up firefox really poorly, I couldn't remember what the xdg open browser command was.00:39
doctormoSo i just stuffed a firefox command in.00:39
doctormoI should script that out tbh, so peopel ca go `./builder/view.sh category class-name` and get either pdf or html up in some gui.00:40
doctormoinstead of stuffing it in build00:40
pleia2I am not sure that did what it was supposed to do00:41
pleia2oh, there it is00:42
doctormohave a look at the html output, you should see one section00:43
pleia2yeah, in ubuntu-learning-materials/build/community/leadership/class.html00:44
pleia2cool00:45
doctormopleia2: OK next, you want to modify 01-begin.txt rename it to something better for your first chapter, then copy it for each of the chapters you want to make for this class.00:50
doctormopleia2: Then edit each one, adding in the chapter title, overview, demonstration and practical sections in that order.00:50
doctormoMost of the files have fairly descriptive contents00:50
doctormoSo this part should be easy00:50
doctormoJust make sure you have txt files which have two numbers at the front, that when sorted will come out the way you want.00:51
doctormoThen build again to see your new results.00:51
pleia2okie00:52
pleia2neat :)00:53
doctormook pushed up to rev 24, that inlcudes that create fix, but also a new ./builder/view.sh script which launches firefox (to be replaced by xdg launch when I remember how to do it), the build.sh now also generates an index.html for testing.00:54
doctormothe view launches up the index too, so people can see all generated files.00:54
doctormowe'll have to spend some time making it all look pretty later on.00:54
pleia2great00:54
pleia2now, the thing that has been keeping me awake at night - I'm not sure that akgraner's loco document is appropriate for this project00:55
pleia2err, leadership00:55
akgranerdon't lose sleep pleia2 :-)00:56
pleia2it's a great document, and we want to teach it, but in its raw form it really is just a document00:56
pleia2akgraner :)00:56
doctormopleia2: It just needs some peer review love then, we knew we'd have to translate existing materials00:56
doctormoakgraner: do you want to work through the process we've just done to reform it?00:56
pleia2well, the thing is that the document itself is in progress00:57
pleia2so it needs a place to live while that work is being done (it's a google doc right now)00:57
pleia2*then* translate it into course form00:57
akgranerI was going to start adding to Chapter 1 in January...00:57
akgranerChapter 2 is pretty much done00:57
akgranerbut 1 and 3 need WORK00:57
doctormopleia2: Getting the writing portion of it done under this system would help, not only getting thos einvolved familar, testing our system, but also to make it easier to keep track of training materials that are being written.00:58
akgranerdoctormo, and pleia2 I will follow your guidance00:58
akgranerbefore I add anything else00:58
pleia2doctormo: what I see here is two different documents00:59
pleia21) leadership document00:59
pleia22) leadership course00:59
pleia2the course is based on the document00:59
doctormoWhat does the document specify?00:59
doctormoWhat is it's function?00:59
pleia2it's reference material on how to be a good leader00:59
pleia2http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfMjljc3E2endkNQ&hl=en01:00
pleia2(if you can see that)01:00
pleia2and akgraner will kill us if we tell her it should be edited via the wiki :)01:02
akgranerhehe01:03
akgranerpleia2, I'll stick in a wiki if you need me to01:03
akgraneror did you already do that01:03
pleia2I haven't01:04
pleia2I am wondering if maybe it should just be kept as a google doc01:04
akgranerwant me to stick it in a wiki01:04
akgraneryou all just tell me what to do and I am there01:04
pleia2once a chapter is finished, we can develop a course around it01:04
akgranerso chapter 2 is done..once it is peer reviewed01:05
pleia2great :)01:05
pleia2yeah, I think this is the way to go01:07
pleia2akgraner: keep editing in the google doc, you'll just share it as needed with collaborators01:07
pleia2the release of the document is where things will get fun01:07
akgranerpleia2, ok01:07
akgranerwanna set a date for Chapter 1 say end of Feb?01:08
pleia2sounds good :)01:08
akgranerwe set a goal for the 1-3 for Lucid01:08
* pleia2 nods01:08
akgranerI know some people from the NC team who want to help01:08
pleia2great01:09
akgranerplus it will help toward contribution for them01:09
pleia2yes :)01:09
akgranerand for the team01:09
akgranerpleia2, just let me know when and who needs access and I'll add them per your request01:10
pleia2akgraner: are people just jumping in to write sections? or is there some kind of "I'll do this bit" coordination?01:11
pleia2(jumping in is fine, I don't think it's a big enough project to worry, just wondering)01:11
akgranerJump in and do this bit01:11
akgranergotta find links01:12
pleia2ok good01:12
akgranerthat kinda stuff01:12
akgranerstuff people can send to me really and I can just add01:12
* pleia2 nods01:15
akgranerso if you know people who want to help with that send them my way we can knock this thing out01:17
pleia2will do :)01:17
pleia2is there a blueprint/wiki page/anything around about developing this document?01:17
akgraneryeah a blueprint let me find the link01:17
* akgraner is link challenged01:18
pleia2hehe01:18
akgranerhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+spec/community-ubuntu-loco-leaderhsip01:19
akgranerwe need to beef it up a bit..and some more to the white board01:19
akgranerand create a full spec (wiki) for it01:19
pleia2oh darnit, I have tasks on that01:19
pleia2hehe01:19
pleia2ok, I just wanted something to link to the learning team project wiki so we knew what progress was being made on this topic01:20
pleia2blueprint will do for now :)01:20
akgranersince you know my love of wiki's you'll notice there isn't one for the full spec yet...01:20
akgranerguess I'll express some wiki love and create the spec this week ok by Monday01:21
akgranerwill that work01:21
pleia2hehe01:21
akgranerdoes anyone really *luv* wiki's01:28
nigel_nbpleia2: um, around?01:33
pleia2nigel_nb: yeah, but I might be slow to respond, loco meeting in progress :)01:33
nigel_nbpleia2: okay, later, needed your help with something (nothing urgent), another day :)01:34
pleia2nigel_nb: you can PM if you want :) I won't be busy for long01:36
nigel_nbpleia2: its okay, I think my ISP-given modem is at fault why i cant open ports, I just wanted to check with you if u had any idea01:46
nigel_nbpleia2: how to confirm that suspicion...01:46
pleia2nigel_nb: have a firewall on your system?01:46
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Sagaciis the Ubuntu Community Learning Project (http://learn.ufbt.net/) open for students?06:03
bodhizazenyes Sagaci06:06
bodhizazenalthough we are putting content in place06:06
Sagacisorry to bother you but could you see if i've registered06:07
bodhizazenuser name ?06:11
Sagacibodhizazen: err, sorry, either Sagaci, sagaci, jpickett or pickettj06:16
bodhizazenDon't see you on the list:(06:17
Sagacibodhizazen: can I create an account06:18
bodhizazenI believe so06:18
Sagacithere's no registration function06:19
bodhizazenregister with openid, use your launchpad id06:20
Sagacidoesn't seem to work06:21
bodhizazenyou blocking cookies ?06:23
Sagacidon't think so06:24
Sagacihttps://launchpad.net/~jpickett06:24
Sagacii try logging in with jpickett but to no avail06:24
Sagacigotcha06:25
Pendulumpleia2, FFEMTcJ: I'm going to ask the Ubuntu Podcast from the UK guys if they'll mention the User Day in their events section for their last podcast of the season :)10:37
popeywhen is it?10:58
PendulumJanuary 23rd starting at 1200 UTC :)10:58
Pendulumpopey: btw, if you lot don't mind having Americans on the show, btw, I have a friend considering switching to Ubuntu who I might be able to poke and say "hey, you should let these guys interview you early on so they can get a sense of new-user struggles :)10:59
Pendulumsorry, that may not have made sense, it's early here11:00
popeyit made sense to me11:01
Pendulumi think it was just a little redudant and rambly11:01
popeyPendulum: can you drop a one line "date, time, location, event, url" to podcast@ubuntu-uk.org pls?11:01
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nigelbabuokay, so if Pendulum or popey responded to my pings, sorry, missed what you said15:57
pleia2FFEMTcJ: great work on getting the UUD schedule into shape :)16:00
pleia2we'll flesh out the real schedule on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays once we've filled all the subjects in16:04
nigelbabulemme see if i can get my limited gimp abilities to get a uud logo16:04
pleia2thanks nigelbabu :)16:05
pleia2we have the option of asking the art team too16:05
nigelbabuhmm, if I make a mess of it (highly probable), will ask them ;)16:06
nigelbabupleia2: oh btw, you're happy with the direction the scripts have gone?16:08
nigelbabuI mean as far as asciidoc/bzr is concerned..16:08
pleia2nigelbabu: yes, I think we need to flesh out the documentation a bit more but we're well on our way :)16:09
nigelbabupleia2: in that case, I'll take it as final for now and finish my course around the way things are now16:09
pleia2nigelbabu: once your changes are merged into the trunk I might pull it out and make some changes based on my experience16:10
pleia2and add my asciidoc stuff16:10
nigelbabupleia2: you've got asciidoc stuff lined up?16:10
pleia2only really basic, I'll have more to add once I make a mess with writing the course itself ;)16:11
pleia2"oh, there needs to be a newline here, can't have these characters here..."16:11
nigelbabuactually, there is some trouble with the scripts in that regard, some minor newline mistakes and stuff16:12
nigelbabubut I'm sure thats easy to correct16:12
nigelbabuI'll just put down my formatting stuff when I get the time then, i.e., tonight or saturday day time (your tz)16:13
pleia2oh good, that will help a lot :)16:13
nigelbabunight folks, off to work16:26
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FFEMTcJpleia2: that's what I was plannin on.... hehe16:49
FFEMTcJhellow is supposed to be able to tell me tomorrow what he wants to teach.. other than that, no idea16:49
FFEMTcJwe do need to work on the main page.. make it look pretty17:10
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PendulumFFEMTcJ: if jono and the horsemen can't do it, I have a couple ideas for people to ask to talk about community stuff :)19:46
FFEMTcJok..19:46
FFEMTcJthere is jcastro dholbach19:47
FFEMTcJright?19:48
Pendulumand dpm19:51
FFEMTcJwant to ping them and see if any of them can do it?19:52
doctormoHey guys19:56
FFEMTcJhey doc19:56
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PendulumFFEMTcJ: am about to ask jcastro. i think the other two are off for the night20:17
PendulumFFEMTcJ: jcastro will do it :)20:20
FFEMTcJsweet20:24
nigel_nbhey everyone21:16
nigel_nbPendulum: wanted to talk to you earlier, but I was in a hurry to get to work21:17
Pendulumnigel_nb: what's up?21:17
nigel_nbPendulum: is your cold better?21:17
Pendulumnigel_nb: it wasn't a cold, but yes, i'm starting to do better :)21:18
FFEMTcJh1n1.. everyone run!21:18
FFEMTcJ;-)21:18
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: in that case all of us were down with it21:19
Pendulumhah. nothing that glamourous ;)21:19
nigel_nbme, pleia2, doctormo - we all took turns to fall ill, one after another21:19
doctormoindeed21:19
nigel_nbPendulum: I wanted to check with you about the voice overs21:20
nigel_nbPendulum: if they're ready we could give links to the screencasts to Locos :)21:20
nigel_nbdoctormo: are you doing better now?21:20
doctormooh much!21:20
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: I was thinking up something about the user days21:22
Pendulumnigel_nb: I will have them this weekend. I'm on my 2nd 10-12 hour day at work in a row so the one you sent me isn't done yet (but at least my sound works again!)21:22
nigel_nbPendulum: take your time, weekend is best for me21:23
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: What I was thinking was something like a picture with invitation and times for the course21:23
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: and a little inovative names for the courses so that they sound a bit more interesting....just a thought21:24
FFEMTcJnigel_nb: maybe we need to all stop kissing each other21:29
FFEMTcJhehe21:29
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: wha?21:30
FFEMTcJeach of us getting sicj21:30
FFEMTcJsick21:30
nigel_nbhaha21:30
nigel_nbthats kinda impossible21:30
FFEMTcJlol21:30
nigel_nbI'm like on the other side of the world21:30
FFEMTcJit was sarcasm21:30
nigel_nbI know ;)21:31
nigel_nbI'm killing the joke :P21:31
FFEMTcJboo!21:31
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: so.. what do think of ^^21:31
FFEMTcJthat sounds good21:33
FFEMTcJif you have someone to do the picture21:33
nigel_nbI'll play around with gimp when I get home21:33
FFEMTcJcool21:34
nigel_nbyou got any new courses?21:34
FFEMTcJnope21:34
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: is it possible to redo one of the UOW courses?21:37
nigel_nbpleia2: are you around? opinion on ^^21:37
Pendulumnigel_nb: what are you thinking of?21:37
FFEMTcJwhich one21:37
nigel_nbhold on.. dont remember the exact course, but there was a very good session. lemme look at the ouw logs21:38
nigel_nbah, its popey's course on what to do when things go wrong21:39
nigel_nbhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/DontPanic21:39
nigel_nbit would be great for a new user21:39
popey:)21:39
nigel_nbeither if he can take it or someone else can it, its a beautiful session21:39
nigel_nbI donno if we do this re-using thing though21:39
Pendulumi think it'd be a good one if he's willing21:40
Pendulumpopey: ^^ ?21:40
popeyhmm?21:41
popeysomeone wants to re-use my UOW session for some reason?21:41
popeygo ahead, do whatever you want with it21:41
Pendulumpopey: we were wondering if you would do it again for the User Day? (or let us find someone to redo it)21:41
FFEMTcJdoes that cover like finding helpful resources?21:41
popeywhen is that ?21:41
FFEMTcJjan 2321:41
PendulumJan 23rd21:41
popeyit could probably do with a little tweaking, but yeah, no problem21:42
FFEMTcJwe already have finding helpful resources is why i ask21:42
popeyI'm happy to do it, or if I'm busy, happy for someone else to re-purpose it, put my name down21:42
Pendulumpopey: one sec and I'll mail the podcast with it as something you ought to mention as an upcoming event anyway :P21:42
popeysmart move Pendulum21:42
Pendulumpopey: thanks!21:42
popeynp21:42
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: this is like, what to do when you get a blank screen.. dont panic, that kinda stuff21:42
FFEMTcJsounds good to me21:43
Pendulumnow to find e-mail...21:43
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: so one down, how many more blank spaces do u have?21:43
FFEMTcJpopey: will you teach it?21:43
popeyi can do yes21:43
FFEMTcJany specific time you'd like?21:44
FFEMTcJhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam21:44
FFEMTcJI can move people around21:44
popeythanks, was just about to ask for that :)21:44
popeyoh, its a saturday..21:45
FFEMTcJi take it thats bad21:45
PendulumFFEMTcJ: popey is a family man :)21:45
popeyno, thats good21:45
nigel_nbsurprise surprise :)21:45
popeyso long as I have plenty of notice any time on saturday is good21:45
popeyevenings are preferable 20:00 onwards21:46
popeybut I can probably do any time21:46
Pendulumpopey: and it's after Strictly is over so you won't have your Saturday evening date ;)21:46
popeyjust gimmie a few optionos21:46
popeyhaha21:46
popeyi love my saturday evenings with sophie :)21:46
popeyshe's in bed by 20:00 though21:47
FFEMTcJpopey: whatever time you want and ill re-arrange the schedule.. seriously21:47
popeynah, I'll fit in21:47
nigel_nbPendulum: whats is Strictly?21:47
popeyi know some people have other stuff on21:47
popeyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/21:47
popeythat ^^21:47
Pendulumnigel_nb: Strictly Come Dancing is a tv show his daughter loves :)21:47
nigel_nbPendulum: :)21:47
nigel_nbthe only TV series I can stand now is House MD21:48
popeyheh21:48
Pendulumi'm over a year out of date on house21:48
Pendulumand a few weeks out of date on Dollhouse21:48
popeymy daughter has a very rare condition that has appeared on House! :)21:48
popeythats when you know something you have is rare, when house knows what it is :)21:48
nigel_nbpopey: wow!21:48
Pendulumheh21:48
nigel_nbPendulum: but arguably the best was 5th season for me21:48
PendulumI know several people with conditions that have shown up on House, but that's because I have weird medical stuff myself21:49
popeyhehe21:49
Pendulumnigel_nb: i've only seen like 4 episodes of that season21:49
nigel_nbeveryting I see on house, I've known before21:49
popeyhttp://www.housemd-guide.com/performancereviews/2007/08/310-merry-little-christmas.html21:49
PendulumI haven't shown up on House yet, but that's just because I don't have a diagnosis yet ;) (I need my own House!)21:49
popeyLangerhans cell histiocytosis21:49
popeyeveryone needs their own House!21:49
nigel_nbbut I think it *might* have something to do with the fact that i work in the medical field21:49
FFEMTcJpopey: is 2000 good for you? utc?21:50
popeyyup21:50
FFEMTcJrather 2100?21:50
popey20:00 is fine21:50
PendulumI used to hang out on a message board for people with chronic illness and there were quite a few with lupus. So many jokes about how it's never lupus on that board ;)21:52
FFEMTcJpopey: is your wiki page just popey?21:54
popeyheh21:54
popeyit should be!21:54
popeyit is now21:55
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/popey21:55
popeywhich just redirects21:55
FFEMTcJi see that21:56
nigel_nbpopey: that xkcd toon is a nice touch ;)21:57
popey:)21:57
popeyhard to stick to21:58
FFEMTcJnigel_nb: can you do 1700?21:58
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: no problem21:58
nigel_nbkicking out the TBD out there right?21:59
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: paultag, nhandler, and hellow, I think we can ask them to come up with something interesting ;)22:00
FFEMTcJI've tried.. still waiting to hear back22:00
nigel_nbI'll but paul tonight ;)22:00
nigel_nbs/but/bug22:00
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: lemme ride out the last 2.5 hours of work, I'm sure something good will hit me in the meantime22:04
FFEMTcJk22:04
Pendulumi'm heading home. will be on later from there if any of y'all need me for anything22:05
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: we need 4 topics now.....22:05
FFEMTcJyup22:05
FFEMTcJnigel_nb: updated22:07
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: better presentation22:07
FFEMTcJthank pleia222:07
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: you'll be around tonight?22:08
FFEMTcJif you ping me it goes to my cell so I can get on22:09
nigel_nbI'll catch hold of everyone and get some topics22:09
nigel_nbdid u try asking shrini?22:09
FFEMTcJI talked to hellow, he told he he would have something tomorrow hopefully22:10
FFEMTcJI dont know shrini22:10
nigel_nboh great :)22:10
nigel_nbok, he's frm my loco, i'll mail him22:10
nigel_nbI mean shrini22:10
nigel_nbso, now we need 4 topics, a invitation of sorts, screecasts, and I need to get in touch with the volunteers from my loco.  Small list :)22:11
FFEMTcJas we get more people, I'm extending the time as well22:12
nigel_nbawesome :)22:12
FFEMTcJbbiab.. ping me if you need somethin22:12
nigel_nbI'm off22:12
nigel_nbcatch ya later in the evening22:12
doctormonight22:16

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