[00:07] <Tm_T> !troll
[00:07] <Tm_T> LjL: hmm, what you're suggesting?
[00:07] <LjL> personally, i'd go with !forget
[00:08] <LjL> "if this applies to you" factoids aren't really good
[00:08] <Tm_T> indeed
[00:08] <Tm_T> and if not to forget, any suggestion how to improve?
[00:10] <LjL> if it has to stay... "Please note that behavior directed towards annoyin other users is unwelcome here, whether or not it respects the letter of the !guidelines."
[00:11] <LjL> that way at least it actually covers something specific rather than just being easier than actually hitting the correct factoid
[00:11] <LjL> there is also
[00:11] <LjL> !feeding the troll
[00:11] <LjL> the two might be combined somehow - perhaps.
[00:13] <Tm_T> indeed
[00:14] <Tm_T> LjL: so people are using !troll instead of !guidelines ?
[00:15] <LjL> depends... sometimes they're using !troll instead of !ops (if you firmly believe someone is actually trolling, you should call ops - if you're just randomly accusing them, then you should refrain from that)... other times, they use it instead of more specific factoids (like !attitude, !offtopic, !repeat, and yes also !guidelines)
[00:16] <Tm_T> roger
[00:16] <Tm_T> LjL: !troll = "did you mean !attitude, !offtopic, !repeat, or !guidelines ?" =)
[00:17] <Tm_T> ...I really do need some sleep
[00:17] <LjL> Hello. Welcome to the Automated Troll Response System.
[00:18] <LjL> If your troll is offtopic, press 1. If they're just being random, press 2. To call operators press 0.
[00:18] <Tm_T> LjL: with Darth Vader -sound?
[00:19] <LjL> or seveas laughing
[00:19] <LjL> not that there is a difference
[00:20]  * Tm_T hides
[00:28] <LjL> night
[02:10] <ardchoille> I think lun1x0r in #ubuntu is a bot and is acting weird. Can something be done about that?
[06:55] <Flannel> Suspect XO_Sun is admodeus (by IP) and guatemal is based on content/behavior
[06:56] <Madpilot> synchronized ban evading & trolling. new olympic sport.
[06:58] <topyli> hmm. are we removing those trolls or what?
[06:58] <topyli> oh we are. thanks
[06:58] <Flannel> topyli: Just had to double check the ban mask with mibbit
[06:58] <Flannel> er, webchat
[06:58] <Flannel> whatever
[06:59] <topyli> aye
[07:01] <Flannel> Oh right, in ubuntu we have floodbots
[07:12] <Madpilot> anyone know what the apparent bot Kinder_Surprise is doing in #ubuntu? was it invited?
[07:13] <Flannel> Madpilot: No idea
[07:13] <Flannel> Madpilot: talk to Bomfunk, ask him to remove it
[07:15] <Madpilot> just PM'd Bomfunk, will give him a while to respond then turf his bot
[07:16] <mobi-sheep> !ops | Kinder_Surprise (bot)
[07:16] <Madpilot> gah
[07:16] <elky> yes, because that lets us know where to look
[07:16]  * elky sighs
[07:17] <Madpilot> I see nalioth has  just booted the bot
[07:18] <Flannel> blah
[07:26] <nalioth> the bot owner is long idle . .
[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[10:28] <Flannel> tsimpson: My bans aren't only removable/discussable by me.  I'm merely the op who was alive when the ban was set, I don't need to be there to remove it.  When circumstances dictate that I should be the one, I comment in the BT, not v.v.  Just FYI :)
[11:24] <Flannel> Meh.
[11:25] <Flannel> It's not even a full moon, do the netsplits bring out the trolls?
[11:33] <Tm_T> Flannel: maybe that confuses their moon-radar
[11:34] <elky> Flannel, well, the netsplits are DDoS's, so... make of that what you will.
[11:34] <Flannel> He's threatening to just come back with a clone.  No idea if he'll be disruptive, or whatnot.  But I likely won't be awake to see him if it's the former.
[14:04] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: It's running a bit crazy.
[14:04]  * tonyyarusso had been ignoring this thread - didn't realize it got a bazillion posts now
[14:06] <MenZa> I've been following it, silently.
[14:11] <elky> some positive stuff, like +1'ing candidates you like is probably a nice distraction from the current mess.
[14:16]  * MenZa sent a snow shovel in there hoping some of it will clear out
[14:31] <elky> that's not quite what i meant.
[14:33] <elky> sjefen6, is there something we can assist you with?
[14:54] <tsimpson> Flannel: umm, what?
[15:15] <ardchoille> In an effort to reduce channel noise, the nick sharker is constantly bouncing between sharker and guestXXXX I've sent the !nick trigger before but it seems that either the user is not paying attention or is a bot.
[15:21] <jpds> No, they just fail at protected nick identification.
[15:22] <jpds> Guest8421 and Guest92056 are connecting from that address.
[16:07] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: did you see the study finding that full moons do actually bring out violent tendencies?
[16:19] <MenZa> NICKSPOON.
[16:19] <nickspoon> MEN ZA
[16:19] <MenZa> Oh my.
[16:19]  * MenZa cuddles nickspoon furiously.
[16:19]  * nickspoon cuddles!
[16:21] <nickspoon> How have you been?
[16:23] <MenZa> Good, good.
[16:23] <MenZa> See: hostmask.
[16:23] <MenZa> And you?
[16:23]  * MenZa pokes nickspoon ^
[16:23] <nickspoon> Oh yes, I did hear of that :)
[16:24] <nickspoon> Not too bad myself, looking forward to holidays :)
[16:24] <MenZa> Same
[16:24] <MenZa> Although we've had about 40cm of snow in the past two days
[16:24] <MenZa> So I've had no school today, and probably won't have any tomorrow.
[16:26] <nickspoon> Ah.
[16:26]  * tonyyarusso finished response to CC
[16:27] <tonyyarusso> It really shouldn't take so long to write a sentence or two each for a handful of people...
[16:33] <Mamarok> sjefen6: is there a reason you are lurking here? Please see /topic
[16:35] <sjefen6> sry, autojoin from when I reported someone spaming in #ubuntu
[16:47] <christel> /1/10
[16:47] <christel> er fail
[16:52] <jussi01> hehe
[17:20] <ikonia> FYI: I have tried to calm WTFsound down in PM
[18:28] <tonyyarusso> Hmm, any of y'all good at writing resumes for IT jobs?
[18:46] <MenZa> christel attempted to change to channel 1710.
[18:46] <MenZa> well, window no.
[18:46] <tonyyarusso> That's worrying.
[18:48]  * MenZa checks his @ubuntu.com e-mail
[18:48] <MenZa> + address
[18:49]  * tonyyarusso is trying to update his resume - blargh
[18:49] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: I haven't got much expertise, but I'll give you comments on it, if you want.
[18:49] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: that would be handy
[18:49] <MenZa> :)
[18:49] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: to start with, do people really care how long it is?  I've always operated on "no more than 2 pages"
[18:50] <MenZa> well, don't make it too long, at least
[18:50] <MenZa> I've seen good resumes which are a simple sheet of a4
[18:50] <MenZa> And good ones which are a few pages long
[18:50] <MenZa> and my @ubuntu.com e-mail still isn't active :(
[18:50] <maco> tonyyarusso: would you like my LaTeX style for resumes?
[18:51] <MenZa> my cv is pretty.
[18:51] <MenZa> also done in LaTeX.
[18:51] <maco> (its res.cls with bunches of modifications)
[18:51] <tonyyarusso> maco: um, for the content perhaps, but I'm doing this in OpenOffice.
[18:51] <MenZa> D: OO.o
[18:51] <MenZa> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/333917/2009-05-resume.pdf
[18:51] <maco> i think if i uncomment everything in my resume that's commented, id have a CV
[18:51] <MenZa> mine ^ (da_DK)
[18:51] <tonyyarusso> This part makes me happy:  "Interested individuals should send a current resume in PDF or OpenOffice format, along with their experience and hourly rate to"
[18:52] <MenZa> :D awesome
[18:52] <maco> hourly rate?
[18:52] <maco> i'd not be comfortable doing that
[18:52] <maco> i dont know how much i or the job is worth...you're the boss, you tell me
[18:52] <MenZa> maco: do you use other fonts than CM when you write stuff in LaTeX?
[18:53] <tonyyarusso> Well, you can always just say "to be discussed" - I was talking about the "PDF or OOo" part.
[18:53] <maco> MenZa: not usually, though of course if im using the mla style, its Times
[18:53] <MenZa> I've started loving Utopia.
[18:53] <MenZa> (\usepackage{fourier})
[18:53] <maco> googling "latex utopia" is probably a bad idea...
[18:54] <maco> oh, nope! first hit was LaTeX, not something dirty
[18:54] <MenZa> \o/
[18:54] <tonyyarusso> ha
[18:54] <MenZa> It's very pretty.
[18:54] <MenZa> maco: http://lassehavelund.com/ee.pdf - 30-something page document using it
[18:54] <tonyyarusso> This is what I want to apply for btw - http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sad/1513172965.html
[18:54] <maco> MenZa: im looking at the LaTeX font catalogue now
[18:54] <maco> O_O there are calligraphical fonts!
[18:55] <MenZa> not surprising
[18:57] <MenZa> are there schwabacher fonts?!
[18:57] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: I'm debating how much I should lean towards explaining experience with the specific things they ask for versus explaining my past experience in IT work.
[18:58] <maco> oh great! ive been switched to a different dept at work! now i get to work under a hacker instead of a manager :D
[18:58] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: well, you should address what they're specifically asking about
[18:58] <MenZa> but that can be done in your cover letter
[18:58] <MenZa> the resume is just an idea of who you are, and what you can do
[18:58] <tonyyarusso> Cover letters are another thing I don't quite understand - have an English sample?
[19:01] <MenZa> The Internet does, I gather
[19:01] <MenZa> "I read your job listing with interest ..."
[19:01] <tonyyarusso> yeah, but that doesn't mean the Internet's is *good* :P
[19:01] <MenZa> "I've previously worked with foo, and have been looking to expand in that area ..."
[19:01] <tonyyarusso> I'm going to have to restrain myself from gushing along the lines of "this is the coolest darn job listing I've seen in months"...
[19:01] <MenZa> "I think I'd be an excellent addition to your team, because x"
[19:05] <maco> ive never written a cover letter
[19:05] <maco> then again, i tend not to send my resume cold. its more often "hmm...got a resume?"
[19:07] <tonyyarusso> yeah, that helps
[19:11] <maco> MenZa: http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/hge/ <-- you mentioned schwabacher...well, this is the blackletter font that i use IRL..like, with a bottle of ink
[19:12] <MenZa> It's not Schwabacher, though :(
[19:12] <MenZa> ooh
[19:12] <MenZa> maco:
[19:12] <MenZa> http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/yswab/yswab.pdf
[19:12] <maco> MenZa: no, but schwabacher was on the blackletter list
[19:13] <MenZa> ah
[19:13] <maco> some letters are missing...
[19:14] <MenZa> yeah..
[19:14] <maco> that o with the slash through it...doesnt match
[19:22] <MenZa> ø
[19:31] <maco> yes that
[19:59]  * Pici shakes his head
[20:18] <Pici> As mentioned elsewhere, http://paste.ubuntu.com now requires OpenID login via LP.
[20:18] <Flannel> What?
[20:18] <Flannel> sigh
[20:18] <Flannel> That's dumb
[20:19] <jpds> It isn't.
[20:19] <Flannel> Alright, where are we going to point the paste factoids to then?
[20:19] <tsimpson> requiring someone to login to paste something is dumb
[20:19] <Flannel> "Sorry, you have to sign up for a LP account to use this IRC channel"
[20:20] <Mamarok> use pastebin.com, it's quite fast
[20:20] <Flannel> So, go through the factoids s/paste.ubuntu.com/pastebin.com/?
[20:20] <jpds> Mamarok: Speak for yourself, you didn't work for the company that hosted it. ;)
[20:21] <Pici> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[20:21] <Flannel> Mamarok: pastebin has other issues, like line numbers
[20:21] <Flannel> Boy, I'm glad we've got our own hosted paste site so we can direct people elsewhere.
[20:21] <Mamarok> well, yes, but line numbers are not that bad
[20:22] <Pici> I can understand the reasons for doing it, but I would have been happier had we gotten advanced warning, or at least a heads up abotu it.
[20:22] <Flannel> Pici: do you know whos responsible for paste.ubuntu.com?  Who can we contact and complain?
[20:22] <jpds> Flannel: rt--at--ubuntu.com.
[20:23] <Flannel> Sounds good.  Complain now, hear back in a few months.
[20:23] <Flannel> thanks jpds
[20:23] <Mamarok> it really is doumb, you can't expect newcomers to have a launchpad account, really
[20:24] <Mamarok> -o
[20:26] <Pici> I'm seriously considering registering a domain name and setting up something on my linode for this.
[20:27] <Flannel> non-retarded.ubuntu.paste.com?
[20:27] <jrib> heh
[20:28] <Pici> I think we should just switch to something like ubuntu.pastebin.com for now and think about another solution aftwards.
[20:29] <Pici> Its brown
[20:29] <Flannel> Hah
[20:31] <MenZa> lol
[20:31] <MenZa> +1 on that, Pici
[20:31] <MenZa> !paste
[20:44] <Pici> @login
[20:45] <Pici> !paste
[21:00] <Tm_T> brrrh, how I feel my emails keep getting more and more nonsense...
[21:02]  * Tm_T feels so useless
[23:31] <LjL> LaConfusedGuy seems to be a markov bot.
[23:32] <ikonia> yes, I'm just looking at him
[23:32] <LjL> ok
[23:34] <nalioth> ikonia: it's obvious from the "real name"
[23:35] <ikonia> nalioth: that dean mean "bot" as a fact to me
[23:36] <nalioth> owner contacted
[23:36] <ikonia> thank you
[23:36] <ikonia> he seems to have removed it, I assume jpds can remove the mute now
[23:38] <nalioth> he claims ignorance of any bots
[23:38] <ikonia> yet he removed them when asked.....
[23:39] <nalioth> did he?
[23:39] <nalioth> i'm getting "what bots? in PM
[23:39] <ikonia> yes, after you said "contacted" the bot left
[23:40] <jpds> ikonia: Haha, that guy even sent an email to mirrors@u.c.
[23:40] <ikonia> whoaaa
[23:41] <jpds> "Hi, it's me _AGAIN_"
[23:41] <jpds> I like my colour changes to Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[23:41] <ikonia> lets see