/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/18/#kubuntu-devel.txt

joaopintohello00:02
Riddellhi joaopinto00:03
joaopintoon getdeb we get a lot of complains about Kubuntu users not being able to install from apturl links, is there a bug reported about that ?00:03
joaopintoI am not a Kubuntu user myself, but as far as I understood they are all using firefox00:04
Riddellapturl was done by apachelogger as I mind, I've been meaning to look into it for ages00:04
Riddellpossibly for firefox the apturl bits don't get installed by default with an apt-get install firefox00:05
joaopintoas a workaround they need to install firefox-gnome-support00:05
macotheres no application handler set by default00:05
joaopintothere is an apturl-kde, so maybe it is just a matter of integration ?00:05
macoshould be gdebi i think00:05
joaopintomaco, apturl..something, on gnomes case, apturl-gtk which is the gui00:06
joaopintogdebi is for .debs :)00:06
macoi thought apturl called gdebi, but ok00:06
joaopintoapart from us more and more sites, wikis, etc are adopting apt: for the links, it would be great to have it fixed for 10.0400:07
joaopintofound a bug report about it, bug 47685300:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 476853 in ubufox "apturl doesn't work with firefox on kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47685300:09
joaopintowe get too many contacts about it, I will just link to the bug report on the how to install instructions for Kubuntu users00:14
ryanakcaapachelogger: I'll find out01:21
nixternaldtchen: learning all of the vcs' is awesome!01:36
nixternalthe last company I was at, went from svn, to bzr, to hg all in a single month01:37
Sputthey should've gone to git straight away :P01:38
nixternalthey are all nothing more than the same way to skin the same cat01:39
Sputyeah, but not all of them give you a nice cat fillet afterwards02:01
shtylman_so I just installed daily lucid on my laptop02:20
shtylman_what happened to the network manager?02:20
nixternalshtylman_: I nave network mangler on my desktop (lucid)02:45
nixternalanyways, I am going to start working on the slides for the desktop and netbook02:45
nixternaldo you have a branch somewhere I can work off of?02:45
shtylman_nixternal: is the network manager running in the systray for you?02:50
shtylman_cause i don't have one there02:50
shtylman_nope...no branch yet... maybe the old branch for the regular slides is still around...02:50
nixternalyes, it is running02:57
shtylman_but now that I have my laptop hopefully I will be more motivated to work when not at my place02:57
shtylman_how come the kubuntu menu icons is no longer packaged with the default?03:27
JontheEchidnaIt wasn't being used plus it made the diff from Debian huge liek xbox03:28
shtylman_I was using it :(03:29
shtylman_I love it :)03:29
JontheEchidnaI think it's on kde-look03:30
shtylman_it is03:30
shtylman_but when it was packaged it was so much better and easier03:30
JontheEchidnanew package anyone? kubuntu-kmenu-icon :P03:31
shtylman_seems kinda bad...a whoole package just for that icon03:33
shtylman_*whole03:33
shtylman_wouldn't the metabdata be more than the data?03:33
JontheEchidnamaybe not after the 4 icons includes (one for each size)03:39
JontheEchidnahttp://imagebin.ca/view/XRl_OP.html <- Kubuntu logo itself doesn't look bad03:55
JontheEchidnaWonder if we coudl get upstream to maybe work a little of that magic with a little bit of this magic: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/08/for-future.html03:56
JontheEchidnaSo that it looks more clickable03:56
nixternalI think it is time for a Kubuntu logo makeover...it looks out of place nowadays imho03:59
ScottKJontheEchidna: I just got home.  Did you get a chance to see why runtime failed on armel again?04:00
JontheEchidnaNot much to makeover, if we stick to the basic Ubuntu logo. An Oxygen colorscheme would be really nice04:00
ScottKdtchen: Having to learn multiple VCS seriously annoys me.  I never seem to be able to use some of the regularly enough to remember them so each time I touch (Git for example) it's like starting from scratch.04:01
JontheEchidnaScottK: sftp stuff in .install.armel04:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: Do we need install.armel anymore?04:01
JontheEchidnaDunno04:02
JontheEchidnaWas originally for the lack of soprano, but now soprano compiles04:02
ScottKJust looked at install.armel and it seriously could not work.04:03
* ScottK tries without.04:03
ScottKDone04:09
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ScottKRiddell: runtime (and edu last I looked) is in New.  It's my upload, so I can't review it.06:01
jussi01Hrm, Im using the 4.4 beta,  its telling me that I need virtuoso soprano (and kmail dont work) - is it in there or is my apt-cache foo borked? :D06:32
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jussi01yay for crashes with the 4.4 beta: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m75ad2c18 (krita)08:40
Mamarokjussi01: could have told you before: Qt 4.6 has some very nasty bugs that make a lot of KDE apps crash08:41
Mamarokworst Qt version ever08:42
MamarokI will not even think of KDE 4.4 before Qt 4.6.108:42
jussi01Mamarok: Im getting crashes in lots of things.08:42
jussi01Mamarok: btw, any chance you know the answer to this? [08:32:07] <jussi01> Hrm, Im using the 4.4 beta,  its telling me that I need virtuoso soprano (and kmail dont work) - is it in there or is my apt-cache foo borked? :D08:44
Mamarokwell, Nepomuk needs the virtuoso backend, but I don't think it is available yet, not in the repo at least08:47
ghostcubejussi01: klipper and dolhpin sometimes crash for me on 4.4.108:47
ghostcubehavent had any other crash till now08:47
jussi01Mamarok: ah, thanks08:47
Mamarokkmail does work though, I don't see why this would be related08:47
jussi01ghostcube: klipper, dolphin, krita, quassel08:48
ghostcubeah yes and quassel08:48
jussi01Mamarok: it cant start nepomuk08:48
ghostcubethats very unhandy08:48
MamarokAmarok crashes in at least 3 different locations with Qt 4.6, and a few other strange behavior, like layout freezes08:48
ghostcubebut xchat runs very stable08:48
Mamarokwell, no, you can't since you don't have the backend08:48
ghostcubei changed till quassel works again08:48
ghostcube:D08:48
Mamarokjussi01: either the Nepomuk people didn't communicate correctly, or the packager didn't read correctly08:48
Mamarokbut Nepomuk never worked out of the box in Kubuntu anyway, since we ship the wrong java08:49
Mamarokone has to tweak a lot08:49
Mamarokand strigi is not installed by default neither, so searching without a search engine...08:49
jussi01well somethings borked on mine then08:49
jussi01and this new notification where they dont go away? its annoying...08:50
Mamarokjussi01: bug reports upstream to http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com08:50
jussi01Mamarok: :D08:50
Mamarokand make them fire some coordinator or release manager, it is a real disaster08:51
jussi01Mamarok: btw, do you know which -dbg packages I need for krita?08:51
Mamaroknope, not out of the box, some koffice-dbg I guess08:51
jussi01Mamarok: its a .0 release, its the "KDE way" :P08:51
Mamarokjussi01: not at all, it's the Nokia way, much, much worse08:52
Mamarokand no, it's not a .008:52
jussi01ooh... yummy....08:53
jussi01The following packages have unmet dependencies:08:53
jussi01  koffice-kde4-dbg: Depends: koffice-libs-kde4 (= 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3) but 1:2.1.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed08:53
jussi01something not right there...08:53
Mamarokjussi01: talk to the packager08:55
jussi01Mamarok: who is that?08:55
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Quintasan|Szelsup?10:04
apacheloggerRiddell: I think that apturl issue is really caused by firefox-installer not installing the gnome-support packages10:14
apacheloggerotherwilse aputrl-kde would integrate just as well as the gnome UI10:14
* apachelogger meant to change the installer before karmic but didnt get round it it10:14
apacheloggerto it10:14
apacheloggermarkey: avatar is an epic movie, in 3d even more so ... though there is so much untold :)10:18
markeyyeah, I've read about 50 reviews, can't wait to see it :)10:18
markeyalso want a poster10:18
markeyand a t-shirt10:18
markeyand the mug10:18
markeyreally :)10:18
apachelogger:D10:18
apacheloggermy flatmate ordered books worth some 48 eur after the movie :D10:19
markeywe're going to enjoy it in a good cinema in Berne10:19
apacheloggertotally worth the obsession IMHO10:19
markeyyes, and obsession is my second name10:19
markeyso... :)10:19
apacheloggercameron really created a new story universe10:19
markeythere are directors, and then there is Cameron10:19
markeyit's not the same10:20
markey:)10:20
apachelogger*nod*10:20
apacheloggermarkey: I suppose you also watched the trailers and stuff?10:20
markeyyep10:20
markeygot it all here10:20
markeyin HD10:20
apacheloggerok, after the movie you will know what to expect from the special XT edition :D10:21
markey:D10:21
* apachelogger personally thinks that cameron must have like at least 2 hours unused stuff10:21
markeyhm10:23
markeyso I've just reviewed KDevelop a bit10:23
markeyand I wonder if they are interested in some feedback10:23
markeyproblem is: they might not like it10:23
markeydunno if they can take a dose of True Light (TM)10:24
markeysome can, others cannot :)10:24
apacheloggermarkey: as long as you dont do it via your blog, if they cant handle then you just dont need to care :P10:24
markeycould wrap it in rhetorical sugar10:24
markeybut then, it's just sugar10:24
apacheloggermarkey: like that ever worked for you :P10:25
markeyI've dented it, I guess that's enough10:25
markeydon't want to start an argument with those guys ;)10:25
apacheloggerprobably a good idea10:25
* apachelogger is listening to It Was a Very Good Year by Frank Sinatra10:26
apacheloggeroh dear10:26
* markey is listening to Bassoon (K191) by Mozart on Mostly Classical - S K Y . F M - Listen and Relax, it's good for you! www.sky.fm [Amarok2]10:26
apacheloggerNightrose, Sput: didnt know one can do that in quassel, neat :)10:26
Nightroseapachelogger: i didn't know either until i complained about it being missing yesterday on the christmas market :D10:27
apacheloggerchristmas markets ftw!\10:27
Nightroseindeed10:27
Sputhehe :)10:28
apacheloggeruhhh, "fragestunde" in my c programming class ... with cookies and coffee10:28
* apachelogger better hits the shower10:28
markeywhy go there at all10:31
markeymight as ask here :)10:31
markeyI mean...10:31
markeyas well*10:31
markeyah10:31
markeybecause of the cookies10:31
markeygotcha10:31
apacheloggermarkey: it would be more like me helping to answer questions and munching loads of cookies :D10:41
markeyhaha10:41
Riddellstill no beta 2 tars :(10:43
jussi01someone hilight me please?10:56
jussi01cancel that... :D10:58
jussi01are tray icons usually 32x32 or 16x16 ?11:03
Mamarokjussi01: scalable?11:09
jussi01Mamarok: quassels aninmation isnt in scalable for some reason...11:10
Sputit's what I got from Nuno11:12
Sput(a better animation would be very welcome)11:12
Sputactually, I think he got me svgs as well11:12
markeysabdfl: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1482338&cid=3048026011:13
markeyanother nail in the coffin :)11:13
Sputjussi01: if you need them, I have an svg for them11:13
jussi01Sput: please!!11:13
markeythe gnomish coffin, that is11:13
jussi01Sput: could you zip them and email them to me?11:13
markeythere is no saving it :)11:13
markeynot in this universe, at least11:14
markeyalthough maybe, with a few millions dollars, and 3 years time11:14
jussi01Sput: jussi01 at ubuntu dot com :D11:14
markeyone could rewrite it11:14
Sputjussi01: http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-fadeout.tar.bz211:15
alwhy don't you put em in the repository?11:16
jussi01Sput: does that include the alert ones?11:16
SputI think so11:16
Sputjust have a look11:16
Sputthat's the package I got from nuno, afair11:17
Sputif you manage to create an animation (doesn't even need to glow for highlight, could also blink or something) that's more visible, it's likely to get included upstream :)11:17
Mamarokapachelogger: any news on that glibc backport? Don't know if cjwatson talked to doko11:18
apacheloggerMamarok: not that I know of, you should probably poke cjwatson again11:19
jussi01Sput: ill play...11:19
Mamarokapachelogger: he is not online right now11:19
jussi01Sput: If I give you svg's back, then thats acceptable?11:19
Sputmh, I'd have to scale them myself though11:20
jussi01Sput: right. Did Nuno give you scaled ones already or did you have a nice script to do it?11:22
SputI think I got .png for one size and had to scale them myself11:22
Sputbut don't know how I did it exactly11:22
jussi01Sput: the alert ones arent in that package11:25
jussi01(the fade to white ones)11:25
Sputhmm11:26
Sputdon't have anything else here11:26
jussi01they are as PNG's in the repo11:26
Sputyeah11:26
Sputbut I'm not sure if I got an .svg and lost it later, or if I got them as .png11:26
Sputit's been quite a while11:26
Sputin any case we can't use .svg for the tray afaik, the spec requires a bitmap11:27
jussi01Sput: do you know what the standard size is?11:30
SputI *think* it's 16x1611:30
Sputthough hmm, does the new tray spec support scaling?11:31
SputI mean if you manage to get .svg as well, go for it :) can't hurt11:31
SputI don't think you could've used the original animation anyway, as you prolly want to create a new target icon and then compute the transition somehow11:31
MamarokSput: from Nuno you normally only get .svg11:31
Sputwell, he rasterized at least part of them11:32
Sputbut as I said, it's been a while :/11:32
MamarokSput: for the blog, yes, but he normally sends over svgs11:32
Mamarokask him :)11:32
Sputwell, the package I uploaded was what I got from nuno orignially :) containing one large .svg and the individual images as .png11:33
Sputlast time I asked him he didn't want to change the animation, saying tray icons are deprecated11:33
Sputbut the new spec allows animations too :)11:33
Sputand/or overlay images, which would be a nice alternative11:34
* jussi01 wants red or pink or something very different from blue - like konvi has red flashing. 11:34
jussi01I get frustrated cause I always miss stuff.11:35
ghostcubetwitter hacked11:35
ghostcubeby iran ?11:35
ghostcubelol11:35
ghostcubenice :D11:35
Sputjussi01: afterwards you'll have to pester seezer to fix the tray icon blinking when it shouldn't :)11:36
jussi01Sput: I will :D11:37
jussi01Im good at pestering :D11:37
SputI've noticed :P11:37
jussi01:D11:37
Sputand now I'm going to assemble my new computer11:37
jussi01Sput: have you thought about how to do scripting11:37
jussi01?11:37
jussi01:D11:37
jussi01</pester>11:37
ScottKRiddell: -runtime and -edu are stuck in New.  I really need -runtime to make more progress on armel.11:37
Sputjussi01: I keep thinking about it :)11:37
Sputmmmh. good thing about xmas presents you make yourself is that you don't have to wait til xmas11:38
jussi01:D11:38
ghostcubehttp://samcarstensen.blogspot.com/11:39
ghostcuberofl11:39
ghostcube:D11:39
jussi01Sput: I expect a nice christmas present from you then :D (scripting) :D11:39
Sputlemme start and finish the chatview rewrite first, will you? :P11:39
jussi01:D11:40
ScottKRiddell: -runtime is done.  Still need edu though.11:49
ScottKI'd appreciate it if someone would look into Bug #49801211:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 498012 in python-qt3 "python-qt3 depends on python-sip4 <= 4.9.1 but Lucid repo holds 4.9.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49801211:57
RiddellScottK: edu accepted12:32
Riddell!ninjas12:32
ubottuHelp! apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, tsimpson, vorian12:32
Riddelljussi01: as ubottu master are you able to update that?12:33
jussi01yes12:33
jussi01Riddell: just do !no ninjas is <reply>stuff you want here12:33
jussi01and Ill get it fixed12:33
ScottKRiddell: Great.  I just uploaded a fix for the konq-plugins doc over-write problem (it needed a kde4/kde in the path), so livefs builds ought to work again.12:33
Riddell!no ninjas is Help! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening12:35
apacheloggerRiddell: you really need to use kubotu for that :P12:35
apacheloggerkubotu: ninjas12:35
kubotuapachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, Quintasan and vorian ... to the Batcave!12:36
jussi01!ninjas12:36
ubottuHelp! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening12:36
jussi01apachelogger: if you want kubotu to compete with ubottu I can just remove her if youd like... ;)12:37
jussi01no sense doubling stuff up.12:37
* apachelogger notes that ninjas orignated in kubotu12:37
apacheloggerno clue who forked it :P12:37
jussi01!-ninjas-#kubuntu-devel12:38
ubottuninjas-#kubuntu-devel has no aliases - added by stdin on 2009-01-10 18:22:18 - last edited by jussi01 on 2009-12-18 12:36:1212:38
apacheloggerthere you have it12:38
RiddellI think everyone should be sufficiently pinged now :)12:40
jussi01:D12:41
refichumm12:45
reficno daily build today?12:45
ghostcubekubotu = kubuntudevs boden turnen o.O13:00
jussi01is anyone else experiencing the notifications pile up with the 4.4 beta? my quassel notifications are like downloads, they pile up with a number and you end up with like 100 sitting there if you dont go click the x on each individual one...13:08
apacheloggeris it just yesterdays image or is lucid netbook just horribly broken13:09
ghostcubejussi01: yeah i have the same13:09
ghostcubejussi01: does the country flag move away if you tell it to autohide ?13:10
ghostcubein taskbar ?13:10
ghostcubesudo /etc/init.d/service start|restart|stop13:12
ghostcubeis working again ?13:12
jussi01ghostcube: country flag?13:13
ghostcubejussi01: if you enable the keyboard layouts13:13
ghostcubeyou have the country flag like in widows13:13
jussi01oh, yeah, I dont use that13:14
ghostcubeoh ok :)13:14
jussi01btw, I have an IR remote control for my TV card. its somewhat mapped already, can kde re-map those keys?13:14
RiddellQuintasan|Szel: I made some changes to your gluon package and put it into ninjas13:27
Riddellhowever it has no Messages.sh nor COPYING file and upstream havn't done a release so I'm not sure we want to upload it to the archive13:27
Riddelleven if kdegames does have it as a dependency13:28
jussi01ghostcube: you are on 4.4 beta, right?13:33
jussi01could you test if sftp works on dolphin?13:33
ghostcubejussi01: yes not right now but in gereral yes13:33
ghostcubelater13:34
ghostcubenot yet iam at work only xp here13:34
ghostcubeo.o13:34
jussi01ok, anyone else around on the beta?13:34
JontheEchidnaQuintasan || Quintasan|Szel: I'd like to point out that the current (unspoken) convention for package names for KCModules is kcm-* :)13:36
ScottKjussi01: sftp is known now working with 4.4beta due to libssh not in main.13:38
ScottKJontheEchidna: Did you hear back from asac?13:38
jussi01ScottK: ahh. is there a way I can enable it?13:39
JontheEchidnaScottK: nope13:39
JontheEchidnanot a peep out of him since I pinged13:39
ScottKjussi01: Rebuild -workspace with libssh-dev in build-depends.13:39
jussi01oh....13:39
ScottKYou'll also need to fiddle with the .install files13:39
jussi01ScottK: I do hope that is going to change?13:40
jussi01ie. libssh is going to main, no?13:40
ScottKjussi01: Yes, we are waiting for the Main Inclusion Report to get approved13:40
jussi01ScottK: /me breathes a huge sigh of releif13:40
jussi01I use that dolphin feature _all_ the time...13:41
* jussi01 goes to find anothe sftp client for the meantime...13:41
* ScottK too13:41
ScottKRiddell: qtscriptgenerator is already in Main.  Amarok is depwait on qtscript-tools.  Any chance you could go ahead and promote it?13:43
RiddellScottK: done13:44
ScottKRiddell: Cool.  Thanks.13:45
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QuintasanRiddell: upstream said they do not want it in archive until release13:56
QuintasanPPA will be better since we can update it anytime we want13:56
seeleinteresting: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/29514:12
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ScottKRiddell: python-kde3 seems to have evaded the blacklist and returned.  Would you please kill it/blacklist again?14:22
RiddellScottK: done14:25
ScottKThanks.14:25
ScottKJontheEchidna: phonon-backends uploaded (now that runtime is sorted).14:27
QuintasanRiddell: Did my message reach you?14:29
JontheEchidnaRiddell: would you add gtk-qt-engine to the blacklist and hit it too?14:29
RiddellQuintasan: about gluon?  yes thanks14:29
Quintasangood14:29
* Quintasan 's connection started broking few days ago14:30
RiddellJontheEchidna: done14:30
JontheEchidnaRiddell: thanks14:30
rgreeningis anyone backporting virtuoso to beta backports? Nepomuk fails without it...14:40
JontheEchidnavirtuoso 6.0.0 doesnt' work with nepomuk so we have to wait until 6.0.114:41
rgreeningoh14:45
rgreeningbugger14:45
Riddellcan't we use the old version?14:47
JontheEchidnathe packaging is a beast, but I suppose it's downgradable14:48
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ScottKOK, I think the last packages we need for a complete armel ISO are queued/building.15:33
Riddellawooga15:33
ScottKOf course several of them are KDE SC bits that haven't had a try yet, so I'd be pleasantly suprised if they all built on the first try.15:34
ScottKNow if someone could just fix Qt on powerpc and ia64.15:34
Riddellfor all our many ia64 users15:35
freeflyi1gRiddell: you know who is taking care of forum.kde.org?15:35
Riddellfreeflyi1g: I don't immediately remember but #kde-forum would probably know15:36
ScottKRiddell: Not sure about Kubuntu, but there are a non-zero number of ia64 desktop users.15:36
freeflyi1gRiddell: thx15:36
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RiddellScottK: ld segfault on powerpc looks hard to fix15:39
Riddell"error: cast from 'JSC::JSCell*' to 'int32_t' loses precision" on ia64 probably just needs a c++ wizard15:39
* ScottK looks for sebas ...15:40
* sebas hides right here15:40
yofelis the fact that 'copy selection' is the default now in klipper a kde decision or did we do that?15:41
* ScottK dubs sebas C++ wizard and hands him https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.6.0-1ubuntu3/+build/1399258/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-ia64.qt4-x11_4:4.6.0-1ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz for some patching.15:41
sebasScottK: looks like you want a Qt developer15:43
sebasit doesn't look like anything I could fix15:43
ScottKsebas: Know any you could ask?15:43
sebasask thiago if he knows who's responsible15:44
JontheEchidnayofel: That's a KDE decision, and one that I immediately un-did15:44
ghostcubeme too15:44
ghostcube:D15:44
yofelwell, me too, but we just had another person in ubuntu+1 that was confused by that15:45
yofelthx15:45
ghostcubewhy had kde decided to do this any arguments ?15:45
Riddellwhat's copy selection?15:47
yofelRiddell: you select a text and it's immediatly copied to the clipboard15:48
Riddell"synchronise contents of selection and clipboard"?15:48
Riddellthat was recognised as being evil years ago15:48
yofelwell, the kde devs seem to think otherwise now...15:49
* ScottK summons the KDE god of usability ....15:51
ScottKseele: You around?15:51
Riddellit's been on for a year? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/klipper/klipper.kcfg?view=log15:52
RiddellI've had Mattis Ettlich rant at me about how many bugs Qt has received from when that was on in KDE 1 times15:53
ScottKNow that I know what was causing that, I'm annoyed.15:56
JontheEchidnamight have been accidental; I know that klipper has gotten some rearchitectural love recently15:57
JontheEchidnahmm, kcm-phonon-xine is in universe but phonon-backends-xine depends on it15:59
alklipper misses every other selection here - that's annoying15:59
ScottKRiddell: ^^^ would you please promote kcm-phonon-xine16:00
RiddellScottK: done16:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: 44 minutes and you should be good.16:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: Request nicely timed just before the publisher run.16:02
JontheEchidnaI noticed plasma-scriptengine-javascript is universe too16:02
ScottKDoes anything depend on that?16:02
JontheEchidnaI thought we had been providing the js stuff by default, maybe not16:02
reficso where's today's daily build?16:02
ScottKSome of the scriptengines are in Universe on purpose, IIRC.16:03
ScottKrefic: ISO build failed.16:04
reficoh, okay16:05
Riddellrefic: I can rebuild them if you want to do some testing16:07
ScottK(the problem that caused the failure is fixed)16:07
reficRiddell: sure, if that's not too much work for you16:09
Riddellrefic: building, should appear in an hour or so16:10
Riddellor less probably16:10
reficgreat, thanks16:10
ScottKRiddell: asac just PM'ed me he'd look at it today16:17
ScottKHe's on "vacation", but not so much he's not working.16:17
RiddellScottK: he PMed me too, he can't be having that much of a holiday :)16:17
ScottKHeh.  Yeah.16:17
seeleScottK: i am16:24
seeleScottK: que pasa?16:24
ScottKWe were just discussing the upstream change to klipper that makes it put everything you highlight in the copy buffer by default.16:25
ScottK"synchronise contents of selection and clipboard"16:25
ScottKThe consensus here (and from what user feedback we've gotten) is this was not a good change.16:25
* ScottK was thinking you might consider looking into it with your KDE usability hat on.16:26
ScottKseele: ^^^16:26
seeleScottK: so it's syncronizing with whatever the x clipboard is instead of having a separate one?16:26
seelebefore middle click and ctrl+v were not synced and it caused a lot of confusion16:27
ScottKNo, whever you select text it automatically puts it in the clipboard.16:27
seeleit's also a hard tradeoff, do you support people who have been using x for years and expect select to copy to work, or do you support new users who don't know the functionality exists16:27
seeleScottK: right, isn't there another clipboard that does that? for x11 or something?16:28
ScottKDunno, to me they are two different things16:28
seeleall they did was sync it16:28
ScottKDunno about others.16:28
seeleright, that's because you know they exist and they are separate16:28
seelepeople who haven't been using unix for long don't know they are different16:28
ScottKI select all kinds of things I don't want to copy.16:28
macoScottK: you know when you highlight to copy then middle click to paste?16:28
Sputseele: people who have been using windows don't expect selecting text overwrites their clipboard16:28
macoi think people tend to discover it accidentally16:28
seeleSput: yes, i know16:29
ScottKI'm well aware of it and find it highly annoying.16:29
macooh i love it16:29
Sputthey expect the clipboard to work with ctrl+c/v only16:29
macoi get so screwed up when i try to use non-linux systems...16:29
seelebut all the hard core long time users out there will be pissed if you can't select to copy, mostly because of konsole buffer issues16:29
Sputwell, such users could check that box in klipper :)16:29
ScottKseele: This is a question of defaults.16:29
seeleScottK: oh, they have an option?16:29
ScottKyes16:29
ScottKAnd it's the default that changed.16:30
seelesorry your comment didn't include that info :)16:30
Sputyep, klipper feature (has been around forever)16:30
ScottKSorry16:30
macoso i think the question is do we expect more continuing-users or new users16:30
seeleSput: no way, wow i wish i knew that haha16:30
Sputseele: I've used it in KDE3 times already :)16:30
ScottKWithout getting the new users, you don't get to have continuing users.16:30
ScottKBut I'm not excactly a new user and I think this is terrible.16:30
seeleScottK: i think we should support users without assuming they have previous or in-depth knoweldge of how linux and x work16:31
ScottKSo it's not that simple.16:31
Sputin that case, it shouldn't be synced I guess16:31
seelebut that means getting rid of highlight-to-copy as well16:31
macoseele: wait you mean even for non-klipper users?? O_O16:31
Sputwell, highlight-to-copy is coupled with the middle button, that always works16:31
seeleideally, autodetecting applications you cant ctrl+c in (like konsole) and using highlight-to-copy.. but i think you can also right click in konsole to copy16:31
Sputjust the question if it also should overwrite the clipboard16:31
seelemaco: klipper is a kde service, so it would be for all kde users16:32
ScottKseele: You can right click to copy in Konsole16:32
seeleit's silly to support two different clip board systems, all it does is cause confusion16:32
seelethe reason why it has lasted so long is because there are so many people used to highlight-to-copy16:32
macoseele: i dont use klipper though.  at least, its not in my tray thingy. are you saying i couldnt highlight then middle click?16:32
SputI don't think you can turn that one of though, it's an X11 feature :)16:32
* maco hopes Sput is right16:33
seeleSput: yeah, yet another problem16:33
seelei dont have a perfect solution, i'm just telling you how i think the optimal solution should be designed16:33
Sputso what klipper does (as an option) is syncing the two clipboards, which might lower confusion, but means that windows users will overwrite their clipboard all the time16:33
seelei can understand why kde wants to sync the clipboards, it will reduce confusion16:33
Sputmaco: also how can you survive without klipper :)16:33
seelehowever, both options require the user to know how the system works and ellicits different types of errors16:33
seeleSput: but if the data is still in the clip board and accessible, is it a problem?16:34
ScottKI would just like to be in control of what's in my keyboard.16:34
macoSput: simple. i have two buffers! i copy one thing with highlight and one thing with ctrl+c. paste the first with middle click and the second with ctrl+v. works great!16:34
ScottKkeyboard/clipboard16:34
Sputmaco: yep, but klipper also keeps history :)16:34
SputI use that feature all the time16:34
macoSput: what do i need that for?16:34
macoSput: thats actually WHY i turn it off16:34
seelemaco: you are a highly functional technical user who understands how the system works. of course you think two separate clip boards is awesome :)16:35
Sputdunno, I often make use of having past clipboard contents available16:35
Spute.g. I'm selecting multiple things and then paste them in order16:35
macoSput: i explicitly DO NOT want that accessible. same reason i clear history on browser restart and absolutely HATE that kickoff shows webpages in Recent Documents16:35
* ScottK too (clip board history)16:35
Riddellseele: why does the existance of select/middle click confuse people who are used to only having control-c/v ?16:35
Sputmaco: interesting... privacy reasons?16:35
macoSput: yep16:35
Sputmaco: ah ok. yeah, I can understand that in particular if your account is used by multiple people16:36
JontheEchidna^not uncommon on public computers either16:36
seeleRiddell: when you use ctrl v, you often highlight something, putting it in the buffer. middle click to paste is pretty easy to discover by accident. it becomes confusing when you realise that what you ctrl+c is not always what you paste via middle click16:36
ScottKseele: +116:37
Riddellseele: I'd think that less confusing than having select suddenly change my clipboard16:37
seelei've also seen highlight-to-click used in help documentation for commands in the terminal, which is another way that users can learn of the existance16:37
macoseele: having two clipboards to me is no different than klipper with a max history of 2, except that i dont have to go all the way to the frickin tray to use it16:38
seeleRiddell: i think highlight-to-copy should be turned off, but i dont think that is possible16:38
jussi01I hate the select copies the the clipboard thing...16:38
macobecause its far away at the edge of the screen, and i would prefer not to have to move my mouse that far16:38
seelemaco: again.. you are a high functioning technical user who knows how the system works16:38
macoseele: but in that case, klipper itself should be confusing for letting you copy more than one thing16:39
macoso really wouldnt the argument be to just not have klipper?16:39
macoi mean jeez, klipper might store 5 things16:39
jussi01I mean, try copy a url, then remove the current url (by select, delete), then paste... oh dammit, where did the url go?16:39
* Sput was quite confused about the X11 selection thing when he started to use Linux 9 years ago, but back then you selected text and the selection would disappear on mouse release16:39
seelemaco: not really, i think people who have experience in ms word are used to having a clipboard history16:39
Sputword has a clipboard history?16:39
macoSput: ew so it was cut?16:39
Sputmaco: no, the text stayed, but the selection wasn't permanent16:40
macoheh what Sput said re: word16:40
Sputso it got copied into the clipboard, and then the highlight vanished16:40
macoi think ive seen word do that once...and then whine at me that the clipboard got full or something when i tried to close word. i was very confused16:40
* Sput hasn't used word in... uhm... he has never used word16:40
macoms word taught me that clipboard manager thingies are confusing16:40
seelemaco: how often do you use word? :P16:41
macoumm last time was probably 200716:41
macoi used it on a mac then16:41
* seele checks the calendar16:41
seeleit's nearly 2010 now :P16:41
macobefore that wouldve been daily in 2006 on windows xp16:41
macobecause how else was i gonna do my homework? i didnt know about LaTeX yet!16:41
ScottKmaco: Most modern systems have clipboards with history. Gnome is weird that it doesn't.16:42
macoScottK: maybe thats why i used gnome when i started on ubuntu. klipper was probably the first thing i got rid of on kubuntu16:42
seeleanyone know an X11 expert to see if highlight-to-copy can be turned off?16:42
* Sput has used StarOffice when it still was something only known in Germany, way before it became OpenOffice16:43
ScottKmaco: Interesting.  Most people I know consider it one of KDE's best features.16:43
Sput+116:43
seelemaybe we could patch klipper so that the option isn't necessarily to sync the two clipboards, but to toggle the x11 copy buffer16:44
seelepeople who REALLY want highlight-to-copy probably also want the double copy buffers, so that is two options in one16:44
macoScottK: like i said, i dont want my copy history to be accessible, period. second, i find it confusing to keep track of what the heck is in there. i can handle remembering up to two buffers (X & ctrl+c) but only when im using both explicitly at the time. otherwise, i generally only bother remembering 1 (whichever ive used more recently)16:44
seelebut by default, the copy buffer would work in the most simple way, explicit copy and paste with only one buffer16:44
ScottKEven better.  I have this turned off in klipper, but it does it anyway.16:45
Sputnot here16:52
ScottKYou're on a later KDE release than I am.16:53
* JontheEchidna can't live without his klipper16:53
* ScottK wonders if Klipper in 4.4 uses to new systray protocol yet?16:55
ScottKIf it does, it should be very usable by Ubuntu people.16:55
macowhat does that mean?16:56
jussi01maco: me likey16:56
macojussi01: hmm like what?16:56
jussi01maco: tab fail, was aimed at seele16:57
JontheEchidnaScottK: it doesn't, sadly :(16:57
ScottKmaco: Since Ayatana is implementing the new systray protocol KDE developed for Gnome in this cycle, on Lucid, anything that uses the new protocol should appear 'native' independent of which DE is was designed for16:57
ScottKJontheEchidna: Oh well.16:57
JontheEchidnaKMix, Konversation, KNetworkManager, KGpg and that keyboard layout switcher are all using the new protocol16:58
JontheEchidnaIf only KMail and Klipper would get the feature I'd be totally xembed-free16:58
ScottKSput: ^^^ You need to be on this list.16:58
SputScottK: I know, I'm looking into it16:59
ScottKYes, just encouraging you ....16:59
Sputat least that one blog entry on gnome planet finally pointed me to some docs for the dbus protocol :P16:59
Sputsince there's no docs on techbase16:59
Sputonly for using the KDE lib, which is hard if you try to support older KDEs as well (and non-KDE)16:59
Sputso I intend to use pure dbus, which hopefully means that it works even with no KDE integration17:00
ScottKNice17:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: kubuntu-notification-helper built on armel when I retried it.17:01
SputI think it should be possible to check if a certain dbus service is around, and automatically enable that one17:01
JontheEchidnaScottK: btw, the device notifier can go in the systray for 4.4, and though there's a bug right now it should hide until there's a new device17:01
Sputmaybe I'll do the same for notifications17:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: Excellent.  That's what I'd like to see.17:01
JontheEchidnaSo assuming the bug is fixed the device notifier can go in the tray17:01
JontheEchidnaand will remain hidden until needed17:02
Sputoh. I've never noticed that the device notifier wandered into the tray :)17:02
SputI used to have this plasmoid17:02
ScottKHit a roadblock on armel: amarok: libnjb-dev: Depends: libnjb5 (= 2.2.5-4.2ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed17:03
JontheEchidnaIt still is a plasmoid. You can put certain plasmoids into the tray now though17:03
ScottKlibnjb is built though.  No idea why it's not installable.17:03
nixternalok, how do I stop the kglobalaccel notifications from popping up?17:05
JontheEchidnaSystem Settings -> Notifications -> kglobalaccel from the combobox I believe17:06
nixternalhah, never ind17:06
nixternalyeah17:06
nixternaljust found it right when I asked17:06
nixternalKDE Global Shortcuts Daemon to be exact :)17:06
JontheEchidnaI like it's KDE Daemon description: "No daemon. No hotkeys"17:07
nixternalhaha17:07
ghostcubeheh17:08
seelehmm.. i guess no resolution on the klipper thing? heh17:11
seeleScottK: answers are never easy :)17:12
ScottKseele: Of course not.  That's why I called you.17:12
nixternalis there a fix for the nepomuk not starting up issue with b1?17:31
ScottKnixternal: virtuoso 6.0.117:37
JontheEchidnain theory soprano-backend-sesame would also work17:38
ScottKIf you like slow17:38
JontheEchidnasesame was decent speed, but a memory eating cow with a questionable license17:39
JontheEchidnaplus you have to put a symlink to some java stuff somewhere to get it to work17:40
sabdflmarkey: sigh17:44
Daskreechrickspencer3 doesn't hang out here anymore?17:48
annmahi people17:50
sandsmarksup17:50
JontheEchidnaHi17:50
annmaThere's a typo in topic17:50
annmahey JontheEchidna the best KDE debug man17:50
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annmathanks JontheEchidna17:50
sandsmarkJontheEchidna++17:50
annma:)17:50
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Mamarokpoor Quintasan, missing that r17:51
Mamaroka MOTU, not an17:51
JontheEchidnaoops17:51
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annmaperfect17:51
JontheEchidnaI guess it depends on the way you say it: "em oh tee u" or Master of the Universe"17:52
annmawill you ship 4.4 on Lucid?17:52
JontheEchidnaThat is the plan17:52
sandsmarkJontheEchidna: btw, did my patch work for you as-is?17:52
sandsmarklex79 said he had to re-diff against my branch on gitorious, or something17:52
JontheEchidnayeah, we just took a diff from pure Qt 4.6.0 to your branch17:53
sandsmarkok, nice17:53
JontheEchidnaIt's been working well17:53
sandsmark(I guess because I worked against the kde-qt...)17:53
sandsmarkawesome17:53
JontheEchidnaMight be a good idea to announce it to kde-packager or somesuch now17:54
sandsmarkhmm, yeah17:54
sandsmarkmaybe I should ask toma or someone who knows all the knooks to do it for me17:55
sandsmarkI'll blog about it now, anyways17:55
sandsmark(yay, blogging, the communication medium of the future :-D)17:55
annmaPlanet KDE is the future happening17:56
JontheEchidnablogging; the clipboard of the future :P17:56
sandsmarkhrhr17:56
sandsmarkannma: well, I'm pretty damn impressed by the stuff happening in Qt lately ...17:56
sandsmarkportability to normal was yesterday, today we're porting to absurd platforms :-P17:57
sandsmarker, to normal platforms17:57
annmalol17:57
tomasandsmark: ?17:57
JontheEchidnaI thought I saw an iphone branch in gitorious for Qt today17:57
sandsmarktoma: about the patch I made to Qt17:57
sandsmarktoma: you were so nice helping me with the temporary Qt release, so I thought I'd abuse your kind heart a bit more... :_P17:58
sandsmarker, Phonon release17:58
* sandsmark needs caffeine17:58
tomasandsmark: abuse me for another tarball of phonon?17:58
sandsmarktoma: no, for announcing the patch to the right lists17:58
sandsmark(and uploading the patch somewhere, maybe?)17:59
tomaoh. i can write mails for you, sure.17:59
nixternalScottK: is virtuoso packaged anywhere?17:59
tomaand put the patch near the phonon tarball17:59
sandsmarkawesome :-)17:59
tomai'm back in 30m or so18:00
sandsmarkk18:01
ScottKnixternal: Yes.  Dunno where.18:01
nixternalonly thing I find on virtuoso on LP is the upstream product page...hrmm18:08
ScottKI think in Debian qt-kde svn maybe18:08
nixternalyou mean 6.0.0 right? I can't even find a 6.0.1 source18:10
JontheEchidna6.0.1 hasn't been released yet, but it will be the first 6-series release that nepomuk is compatible with18:10
JontheEchidna5.x works, I hear18:11
maelcum|uniis 6.x supposed to work? i remember a blog post saying that for now the latest 5.x version should be used.18:11
maelcum|uniquestion answered...18:11
tomaJontheEchidna is spot on18:11
JontheEchidna^_^18:11
nixternaltoma: how is mailody coming along?18:12
tomanext subject please18:12
nixternalhaha18:12
JontheEchidnasandsmark: so today is (was?) the big finals day?18:15
sandsmarkyup18:16
sandsmarktomorrow I'm going to spend 7+ hours on a train, without internet :-P18:16
sandsmark(but with power and a laptop, last trip I ported filelight, not sure what I'm going to do this time)18:16
JontheEchidnafun18:16
sandsmarkheh, that is one word for it :-P18:16
ScottKPort klipper to the new systray protocol?18:18
sandsmarkisn't it already?18:19
sandsmarkI thought I saw that, might have been dreaming18:19
JontheEchidnanot as of 4.3.8018:19
sandsmarkhmm18:19
* JontheEchidna is always living in snapshots because his computer is too weak to compile all of KDE every day18:20
tomasandsmark: i'm back, let me know if I can do anything18:56
annmaklipper keeps going away from systray18:56
annmalike escaping18:57
annmatruly I also would when I think of it18:57
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Daskreechseele: ping19:09
DaskreechScottK: we are packaging OpenLinks Virtuoso ?19:10
ScottKDaskreech: Yes, but for some value of we that doesn't include me doing any actual work.19:10
DaskreechScottK: I can agree fully with that statement :-D19:11
seeleDaskreech: pong19:12
Daskreechseele: Have you seen Dr Konqi in KDE 4.4 >19:13
Daskreech?19:13
seelethe new one? yes19:14
seeleer, how is it different from 4.319:14
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seelei just know the dev was going to change some logic so there arent as many bug reports19:15
DaskreechWell it doesn't ask for Bug Information. It checkes for duplicates based on the backtrace19:15
annmait tells the user more info about the current backtrace19:15
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annmait tells when it's useless19:15
DaskreechI was just asking about the wording based on found duplicates.19:15
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Daskreechannma: I think it did that before but it's certainly nicer about it now19:15
annmaI don't think it did before19:16
ghostcubehmm it did19:16
annmawhat do you think is wrong about the wording?19:16
ghostcubefrom 4.3.x19:16
annmaah 4.319:16
annmasure19:16
annma4.3 is current stable19:16
Daskreechseele: It gives you a list of duplicates and then says See if your bug has already been reported. Double click a report in the list and compare it to yours. You can suggest that your crash is a duplicate of that report or directly attach your information to it.19:16
annmaDaskreech: it makes a huge difference in bug reports triaging19:17
annmamaybe it should add a distro check ;)19:17
Daskreechannma: It does a distro check19:17
ghostcubehmmm after a while these big lock and logoff icons look ok o.O19:17
annmawe got a bug with more than 200 dupes for beta 119:18
seele_Daskreech: i didnt get your last message, x crashed19:18
DaskreechHooray for X sucking :)19:18
Daskreechseele: It gives you a list of duplicates and then says See if your bug has already been reported. Double click a report in the list and compare it to yours. You can suggest that your crash is a duplicate of that report or directly attach your information to it.19:18
seele_heh19:18
annmaseele_: did it give you a nice dialog?19:18
Daskreechannma: lol19:19
seele_Daskreech: ok.. do you have a question?19:19
ghostcubesomething like xserver crashed for unknown reason bt useless pls install following dbg packages :D19:19
Daskreechseele_: Right the method of checking it as as duplicate involves clicking the duplicate you are interested in. Clicking a button to bring up a dialog with more information and then at the bottom of that clicking mark as duplicate.19:20
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ScottKRiddell: Do you have access to an ia64 porter box?19:21
Daskreechseele_: Does that wording speak to that for you? It didn't to me but I'm not an average user/reporter nor a usabilty trained eye19:21
seeleDaskreech: i'm not running 4.4 so i can't see the dialog to know19:21
seelein general, you shouldnt need to give instructions like "click here, select that"19:22
Daskreechseele: screenshots welcome?19:22
seelesure?19:22
Daskreechalright let me crash something19:22
seelealso, have you brought this up with the dev first?19:22
ghostcubehmmm quassel19:22
seeletoo many people come to me asking to change a UI and they never talk to the original dev19:22
seeleSput: by chance did you ever count how many people were using quassel on freenode before we included it by default in kubuntu?19:23
Daskreechseele: just came from a discussion with them. I agree with the workflow but it only became apparent to me what to do after running through it once. I had expected that if I selected the duplicate entry and clicked next it would be earmarked as a duplicate19:23
seeleSput: i notice a lot more quassel users now than a year ago19:23
seeleDaskreech: hard to say without me using/seeing it19:23
seelethe fact that you learned the process after doing it once isn't bad. it would be a problem if you were still confused after you did it a few times19:24
Daskreechseele: I know screenshots coming as soon as I get krunner to crash19:24
Daskreechseele: Ok I suspect that's fine then. It does have prompts before you send off to alert you that it hasn't been marked as a duplicate19:24
seelethat's not to say the instructions or dialog could be improved.. but if it makes sense after using it once, then it might not be as bad as you think19:25
seeleyou can't make things highly functional and stupid easy19:25
seeledrkonqi does a lot of things, it really surprised me how many user-necessary steps there are to submitting a bug19:26
Daskreechseele: I know i didn't think overall it was bad and I understand the mindset behind it. I was as you say just seeing if the wording could be improved. They lower the barrier to submitting good bugs the better19:26
seeleugh kpackagekit19:26
DaskreechI know I haven't even bothered to file bugs/papercuts against it since I'd need to put aside a chunk of day19:27
DaskreechThough I am spending a lot of today filing bugs on all the apps I can in KDE 4.419:27
seelehmm.. does anyone else have weird focus problems with the kubuntu login screen? i can't tell if it is a problem in karmic or just from my upgrades19:28
Daskreechseele: I do19:28
seelewhen you log in, the cursor is blinking in the password field, but it isn't in focus so you cant type19:28
nixternalseele: where it looks liek the password is selected, but when you type nothing happens?19:28
nixternalyeah19:28
seeleah hah.. sweet19:28
nixternalI get that from time-to-time, but not all of the time19:28
seelepapercut here we come :P19:28
seelenixternal: yeah, like only sometimes19:29
Daskreechseele: That's happened to me twice and once when I started typing the field suddenly lost focus19:29
nixternaldo you have encrypted /home?19:29
nixternalI think I only notice it on my desktop that has an encrypted /home19:29
seelenixternal: nope19:29
seelenixternal: is yours an upgrade or fresh install?19:29
Daskreechseele: Is there a way to mark a bug as a usabilty bug in b.k.o ?19:30
nixternalfresh, thought it happens on an upgrade as well19:30
nixternals/thought/though/19:30
seeleDaskreech: i dont think there is a usability category, there is a hig category but that's out of date19:30
seeleDaskreech: usually people put Usability: before the title so you can search on it19:31
DaskreechThanks19:31
seeleis it just me or does launchpad look broken in firefox?19:37
ghostcubeseele, looks borked19:40
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ghostcubea fly has peed me into my tft now a pix is brown o.O19:52
ghostcubewth19:52
reficRiddell: hmm.. how's the daily thing?19:56
Sputseele: I have no stats (and I don't tend to CTCP VERSION as it's considered rude), but yeah, there's a lot of Quassel users around20:41
Sputkubuntu certainly helped a lot with that :)20:41
JontheEchidnayay, libknotificationitem1 is rdepend free20:48
ghostcubeSput, yeah Quassel is ok but it doesnt like Qt 4.6 heh20:52
ghostcubebut else it works fine20:52
Sputghostcube: there's the occasional crash, other than that it should be ok with 4.6 if ScottK has bumped the package meanwhile :)21:11
SputI've fixed the graphical glitches we had (whitespace in ChatView)21:11
ScottKSput: Did you get the gettext patches sorted?21:12
SputScottK: scarabeus wanted to look into that, he hasn't done it yet I think21:13
ScottKOK.21:13
* ScottK marks this on TODO21:13
SputI think he said that it looked OK at first glance, but wanted to figure out how it was done and chat some more with dpm probably21:14
Sputbut I was a bit out of the loop lately.21:14
jbichaI've been unable to start KDE since upgrading to 4.3.80, this is a known issue, right?21:16
ryanakcaapachelogger: I am unable to enable the 'Aggregate and compress CSS files' option in Drupal, we'll need to prod a sysadmin to do so :/21:27
ryanakcaAnybody know if Lex has virtuoso packages available for testing?21:28
Quintasanryanakca: so, there is a virtuoso package but it won't work21:28
Quintasanryanakca: there is a bug with virtuoso 6.0 which will be fixed with 6.0.1 release which is soon21:29
Quintasanryanakca: I wanted to compile 5.0.12 but there is no point in doing this21:29
Daskreechjbicha: no it's not21:56
jbichaPlasma::AppletPrivate::mainConfigGroup: requesting config for "Battery Monitor" without a containment!21:57
ScottKLure_: I just retried eet on all archs.21:57
Daskreechjbicha: mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc ~/plasma-appletsrc.4.3.8022:00
Daskreechjbicha: Then try login again22:00
ryanakcaQuintasan: bummer. I'll set the nepomuk backend to sesame2 or something then22:02
jbichaDaskreech: that still doesn't work, I'm installing the -dbg packages now so I can file a bug22:02
ryanakcaQuintasan: thanks22:02
Quintasanryanakca: you're welcome :)22:03
Daskreechjbicha: mv the plasmarc file as well22:04
Quintasanulysses__: ping22:05
jbichaDaskreech: that doesn't work either, I have experienced this on 2 diff computers with a blank profile22:06
Quintasanulysses__: or well whatever, I'll be around for few hours so if you feel like finishing smooth tasks let me know22:06
Daskreechjbicha: where did you get the packages from?22:06
jbichaI've been stuck using Gnome for the past week ;-)22:06
jbichaI am using Lucid right now, but I also had the problem in Karmic using the backports PPA22:07
DaskreechFar as I know 4.3.80 isn't in the backports PPA22:08
jbichawell, the beta PPA, I get them confused http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-beta-122:09
Daskreechjbicha: Try running a dist-upgrade. It sounds as if you have some packages broken. Ensure you have kubuntu-desktop installed. That messes me up from time to time22:10
Daskreechsome install removes it and it depends on some package which never gets pulled in till I reinstall kubuntu-desktop22:10
jbichaDaskreech: thanks, it looks like I was missing kubuntu-default-settings22:14
jbichaI think there's probably an underlying bug there but this helps22:14
* jbicha logging out of Gnome22:14
Daskreechsabdfl1: The prequel!22:15
sabdfl1?22:15
Daskreechsadfl1 The prequel to sabdl. Sorry Movie joke22:15
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DaskreechAnd all is restored :)22:16
sabdflah :-)22:16
Quintasan:D22:21
ScottKRiddell: kdepim built, so just waiting on armarok to finish for Kubuntu desktop/netbook to be current on armel.22:26
ScottKLooks like it's close.22:26
ScottKRiddell: Would you please kick off an armel Kubuntu Netbook image in ~90 minutes?22:28
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ScottKAmarok built too.22:36
ScottKRiddell: \o/ - I think we're fully built on armel.22:37
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ScottKQuick make some isos before JontheEchidna uploads something and breaks it.22:37
RiddellScottK: awooga22:37
ScottKSo after the next publisher run we should be good for some images.22:37
ScottKWe haven't had any since October, so please give them a run.22:38
ScottKGotta run, back later.22:39
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JontheEchidnaScottK: I found out why kdepim-runtime needs kdebase-runtime23:21
JontheEchidnaFor some reason shlibdeps is saying that kdepimlibs5 needs to depend on the phonon package, even though it is a metapackage that hasn't had anything in it since Qt 4.5 times23:21
crimsundo you need to unset DH_OPTIONS ?23:22
JontheEchidnaphonon brings in phonon-backend-xine, which brings in kcm-phonon-xine which needs the kdebase-runtime23:22
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JontheEchidnaunset DH_OPTIONS?23:23
JontheEchidnahere's the rules file: http://pastebin.com/f4b70f98523:23
JontheEchidnamaybe adding -xphonon to the DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL list would fix things?23:24
ulysses__Quintasan: I'm here now23:39
Quintasanulysses__: waiting smooth tasks to be compatible with !kde  4.4 !linux  @ Identi.ca, go go go with package and fame awaits you :P23:41
ulysses__:)23:43
ulysses__and what about karmic, with kde 4.3.1?23:44
DanaGhmm, is the final Kubuntu kde4.4 going to have the new PulseAudio integration features?23:58

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