[00:02] hello [00:03] hi joaopinto [00:03] on getdeb we get a lot of complains about Kubuntu users not being able to install from apturl links, is there a bug reported about that ? [00:04] I am not a Kubuntu user myself, but as far as I understood they are all using firefox [00:04] apturl was done by apachelogger as I mind, I've been meaning to look into it for ages [00:05] possibly for firefox the apturl bits don't get installed by default with an apt-get install firefox [00:05] as a workaround they need to install firefox-gnome-support [00:05] theres no application handler set by default [00:05] there is an apturl-kde, so maybe it is just a matter of integration ? [00:05] should be gdebi i think [00:06] maco, apturl..something, on gnomes case, apturl-gtk which is the gui [00:06] gdebi is for .debs :) [00:06] i thought apturl called gdebi, but ok [00:07] apart from us more and more sites, wikis, etc are adopting apt: for the links, it would be great to have it fixed for 10.04 [00:09] found a bug report about it, bug 476853 [00:09] Launchpad bug 476853 in ubufox "apturl doesn't work with firefox on kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476853 [00:14] we get too many contacts about it, I will just link to the bug report on the how to install instructions for Kubuntu users [01:21] apachelogger: I'll find out [01:36] dtchen: learning all of the vcs' is awesome! [01:37] the last company I was at, went from svn, to bzr, to hg all in a single month [01:38] they should've gone to git straight away :P [01:39] they are all nothing more than the same way to skin the same cat [02:01] yeah, but not all of them give you a nice cat fillet afterwards [02:20] so I just installed daily lucid on my laptop [02:20] what happened to the network manager? [02:45] shtylman_: I nave network mangler on my desktop (lucid) [02:45] anyways, I am going to start working on the slides for the desktop and netbook [02:45] do you have a branch somewhere I can work off of? [02:50] nixternal: is the network manager running in the systray for you? [02:50] cause i don't have one there [02:50] nope...no branch yet... maybe the old branch for the regular slides is still around... [02:57] yes, it is running [02:57] but now that I have my laptop hopefully I will be more motivated to work when not at my place [03:27] how come the kubuntu menu icons is no longer packaged with the default? [03:28] It wasn't being used plus it made the diff from Debian huge liek xbox [03:29] I was using it :( [03:29] I love it :) [03:30] I think it's on kde-look [03:30] it is [03:30] but when it was packaged it was so much better and easier [03:31] new package anyone? kubuntu-kmenu-icon :P [03:33] seems kinda bad...a whoole package just for that icon [03:33] *whole [03:33] wouldn't the metabdata be more than the data? [03:39] maybe not after the 4 icons includes (one for each size) [03:55] http://imagebin.ca/view/XRl_OP.html <- Kubuntu logo itself doesn't look bad [03:56] Wonder if we coudl get upstream to maybe work a little of that magic with a little bit of this magic: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/08/for-future.html [03:56] So that it looks more clickable [03:59] I think it is time for a Kubuntu logo makeover...it looks out of place nowadays imho [04:00] JontheEchidna: I just got home. Did you get a chance to see why runtime failed on armel again? [04:00] Not much to makeover, if we stick to the basic Ubuntu logo. An Oxygen colorscheme would be really nice [04:01] dtchen: Having to learn multiple VCS seriously annoys me. I never seem to be able to use some of the regularly enough to remember them so each time I touch (Git for example) it's like starting from scratch. [04:01] ScottK: sftp stuff in .install.armel [04:01] JontheEchidna: Do we need install.armel anymore? [04:02] Dunno [04:02] Was originally for the lack of soprano, but now soprano compiles [04:03] Just looked at install.armel and it seriously could not work. [04:03] * ScottK tries without. [04:09] Done === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [06:01] Riddell: runtime (and edu last I looked) is in New. It's my upload, so I can't review it. [06:32] Hrm, Im using the 4.4 beta, its telling me that I need virtuoso soprano (and kmail dont work) - is it in there or is my apt-cache foo borked? :D === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [08:40] yay for crashes with the 4.4 beta: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m75ad2c18 (krita) [08:41] jussi01: could have told you before: Qt 4.6 has some very nasty bugs that make a lot of KDE apps crash [08:42] worst Qt version ever [08:42] I will not even think of KDE 4.4 before Qt 4.6.1 [08:42] Mamarok: Im getting crashes in lots of things. [08:44] Mamarok: btw, any chance you know the answer to this? [08:32:07] Hrm, Im using the 4.4 beta, its telling me that I need virtuoso soprano (and kmail dont work) - is it in there or is my apt-cache foo borked? :D [08:47] well, Nepomuk needs the virtuoso backend, but I don't think it is available yet, not in the repo at least [08:47] jussi01: klipper and dolhpin sometimes crash for me on 4.4.1 [08:47] havent had any other crash till now [08:47] Mamarok: ah, thanks [08:47] kmail does work though, I don't see why this would be related [08:48] ghostcube: klipper, dolphin, krita, quassel [08:48] ah yes and quassel [08:48] Mamarok: it cant start nepomuk [08:48] thats very unhandy [08:48] Amarok crashes in at least 3 different locations with Qt 4.6, and a few other strange behavior, like layout freezes [08:48] but xchat runs very stable [08:48] well, no, you can't since you don't have the backend [08:48] i changed till quassel works again [08:48] :D [08:48] jussi01: either the Nepomuk people didn't communicate correctly, or the packager didn't read correctly [08:49] but Nepomuk never worked out of the box in Kubuntu anyway, since we ship the wrong java [08:49] one has to tweak a lot [08:49] and strigi is not installed by default neither, so searching without a search engine... [08:49] well somethings borked on mine then [08:50] and this new notification where they dont go away? its annoying... [08:50] jussi01: bug reports upstream to http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com [08:50] Mamarok: :D [08:51] and make them fire some coordinator or release manager, it is a real disaster [08:51] Mamarok: btw, do you know which -dbg packages I need for krita? [08:51] nope, not out of the box, some koffice-dbg I guess [08:51] Mamarok: its a .0 release, its the "KDE way" :P [08:52] jussi01: not at all, it's the Nokia way, much, much worse [08:52] and no, it's not a .0 [08:53] ooh... yummy.... [08:53] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:53] koffice-kde4-dbg: Depends: koffice-libs-kde4 (= 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3) but 1:2.1.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed [08:53] something not right there... [08:55] jussi01: talk to the packager [08:55] Mamarok: who is that? === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [10:04] sup? [10:14] Riddell: I think that apturl issue is really caused by firefox-installer not installing the gnome-support packages [10:14] otherwilse aputrl-kde would integrate just as well as the gnome UI [10:14] * apachelogger meant to change the installer before karmic but didnt get round it it [10:14] to it [10:18] markey: avatar is an epic movie, in 3d even more so ... though there is so much untold :) [10:18] yeah, I've read about 50 reviews, can't wait to see it :) [10:18] also want a poster [10:18] and a t-shirt [10:18] and the mug [10:18] really :) [10:18] :D [10:19] my flatmate ordered books worth some 48 eur after the movie :D [10:19] we're going to enjoy it in a good cinema in Berne [10:19] totally worth the obsession IMHO [10:19] yes, and obsession is my second name [10:19] so... :) [10:19] cameron really created a new story universe [10:19] there are directors, and then there is Cameron [10:20] it's not the same [10:20] :) [10:20] *nod* [10:20] markey: I suppose you also watched the trailers and stuff? [10:20] yep [10:20] got it all here [10:20] in HD [10:21] ok, after the movie you will know what to expect from the special XT edition :D [10:21] :D [10:21] * apachelogger personally thinks that cameron must have like at least 2 hours unused stuff [10:23] hm [10:23] so I've just reviewed KDevelop a bit [10:23] and I wonder if they are interested in some feedback [10:23] problem is: they might not like it [10:24] dunno if they can take a dose of True Light (TM) [10:24] some can, others cannot :) [10:24] markey: as long as you dont do it via your blog, if they cant handle then you just dont need to care :P [10:24] could wrap it in rhetorical sugar [10:24] but then, it's just sugar [10:25] markey: like that ever worked for you :P [10:25] I've dented it, I guess that's enough [10:25] don't want to start an argument with those guys ;) [10:25] probably a good idea [10:26] * apachelogger is listening to It Was a Very Good Year by Frank Sinatra [10:26] oh dear [10:26] * markey is listening to Bassoon (K191) by Mozart on Mostly Classical - S K Y . F M - Listen and Relax, it's good for you! www.sky.fm [Amarok2] [10:26] Nightrose, Sput: didnt know one can do that in quassel, neat :) [10:27] apachelogger: i didn't know either until i complained about it being missing yesterday on the christmas market :D [10:27] christmas markets ftw!\ [10:27] indeed [10:28] hehe :) [10:28] uhhh, "fragestunde" in my c programming class ... with cookies and coffee [10:28] * apachelogger better hits the shower [10:31] why go there at all [10:31] might as ask here :) [10:31] I mean... [10:31] as well* [10:31] ah [10:31] because of the cookies [10:31] gotcha [10:41] markey: it would be more like me helping to answer questions and munching loads of cookies :D [10:41] haha [10:43] still no beta 2 tars :( [10:56] someone hilight me please? [10:58] cancel that... :D [11:03] are tray icons usually 32x32 or 16x16 ? [11:09] jussi01: scalable? [11:10] Mamarok: quassels aninmation isnt in scalable for some reason... [11:12] it's what I got from Nuno [11:12] (a better animation would be very welcome) [11:12] actually, I think he got me svgs as well [11:13] sabdfl: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1482338&cid=30480260 [11:13] another nail in the coffin :) [11:13] jussi01: if you need them, I have an svg for them [11:13] Sput: please!! [11:13] the gnomish coffin, that is [11:13] Sput: could you zip them and email them to me? [11:13] there is no saving it :) [11:14] not in this universe, at least [11:14] although maybe, with a few millions dollars, and 3 years time [11:14] Sput: jussi01 at ubuntu dot com :D [11:14] one could rewrite it [11:15] jussi01: http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-fadeout.tar.bz2 [11:16] why don't you put em in the repository? [11:16] Sput: does that include the alert ones? [11:16] I think so [11:16] just have a look [11:17] that's the package I got from nuno, afair [11:17] if you manage to create an animation (doesn't even need to glow for highlight, could also blink or something) that's more visible, it's likely to get included upstream :) [11:18] apachelogger: any news on that glibc backport? Don't know if cjwatson talked to doko [11:19] Mamarok: not that I know of, you should probably poke cjwatson again [11:19] Sput: ill play... [11:19] apachelogger: he is not online right now [11:19] Sput: If I give you svg's back, then thats acceptable? [11:20] mh, I'd have to scale them myself though [11:22] Sput: right. Did Nuno give you scaled ones already or did you have a nice script to do it? [11:22] I think I got .png for one size and had to scale them myself [11:22] but don't know how I did it exactly [11:25] Sput: the alert ones arent in that package [11:25] (the fade to white ones) [11:26] hmm [11:26] don't have anything else here [11:26] they are as PNG's in the repo [11:26] yeah [11:26] but I'm not sure if I got an .svg and lost it later, or if I got them as .png [11:26] it's been quite a while [11:27] in any case we can't use .svg for the tray afaik, the spec requires a bitmap [11:30] Sput: do you know what the standard size is? [11:30] I *think* it's 16x16 [11:31] though hmm, does the new tray spec support scaling? [11:31] I mean if you manage to get .svg as well, go for it :) can't hurt [11:31] I don't think you could've used the original animation anyway, as you prolly want to create a new target icon and then compute the transition somehow [11:31] Sput: from Nuno you normally only get .svg [11:32] well, he rasterized at least part of them [11:32] but as I said, it's been a while :/ [11:32] Sput: for the blog, yes, but he normally sends over svgs [11:32] ask him :) [11:33] well, the package I uploaded was what I got from nuno orignially :) containing one large .svg and the individual images as .png [11:33] last time I asked him he didn't want to change the animation, saying tray icons are deprecated [11:33] but the new spec allows animations too :) [11:34] and/or overlay images, which would be a nice alternative [11:34] * jussi01 wants red or pink or something very different from blue - like konvi has red flashing. [11:35] I get frustrated cause I always miss stuff. [11:35] twitter hacked [11:35] by iran ? [11:35] lol [11:35] nice :D [11:36] jussi01: afterwards you'll have to pester seezer to fix the tray icon blinking when it shouldn't :) [11:37] Sput: I will :D [11:37] Im good at pestering :D [11:37] I've noticed :P [11:37] :D [11:37] and now I'm going to assemble my new computer [11:37] Sput: have you thought about how to do scripting [11:37] ? [11:37] :D [11:37] [11:37] Riddell: -runtime and -edu are stuck in New. I really need -runtime to make more progress on armel. [11:37] jussi01: I keep thinking about it :) [11:38] mmmh. good thing about xmas presents you make yourself is that you don't have to wait til xmas [11:38] :D [11:39] http://samcarstensen.blogspot.com/ [11:39] rofl [11:39] :D [11:39] Sput: I expect a nice christmas present from you then :D (scripting) :D [11:39] lemme start and finish the chatview rewrite first, will you? :P [11:40] :D [11:49] Riddell: -runtime is done. Still need edu though. [11:57] I'd appreciate it if someone would look into Bug #498012 [11:57] Launchpad bug 498012 in python-qt3 "python-qt3 depends on python-sip4 <= 4.9.1 but Lucid repo holds 4.9.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/498012 [12:32] ScottK: edu accepted [12:32] !ninjas [12:32] Help! apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, tsimpson, vorian [12:33] jussi01: as ubottu master are you able to update that? [12:33] yes [12:33] Riddell: just do !no ninjas is stuff you want here [12:33] and Ill get it fixed [12:33] Riddell: Great. I just uploaded a fix for the konq-plugins doc over-write problem (it needed a kde4/kde in the path), so livefs builds ought to work again. [12:35] !no ninjas is Help! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening [12:35] Riddell: you really need to use kubotu for that :P [12:35] kubotu: ninjas [12:36] apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, Quintasan and vorian ... to the Batcave! [12:36] !ninjas [12:36] Help! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening [12:37] apachelogger: if you want kubotu to compete with ubottu I can just remove her if youd like... ;) [12:37] no sense doubling stuff up. [12:37] * apachelogger notes that ninjas orignated in kubotu [12:37] no clue who forked it :P [12:38] !-ninjas-#kubuntu-devel [12:38] ninjas-#kubuntu-devel has no aliases - added by stdin on 2009-01-10 18:22:18 - last edited by jussi01 on 2009-12-18 12:36:12 [12:38] there you have it [12:40] I think everyone should be sufficiently pinged now :) [12:41] :D [12:45] humm [12:45] no daily build today? [13:00] kubotu = kubuntudevs boden turnen o.O [13:08] is anyone else experiencing the notifications pile up with the 4.4 beta? my quassel notifications are like downloads, they pile up with a number and you end up with like 100 sitting there if you dont go click the x on each individual one... [13:09] is it just yesterdays image or is lucid netbook just horribly broken [13:09] jussi01: yeah i have the same [13:10] jussi01: does the country flag move away if you tell it to autohide ? [13:10] in taskbar ? [13:12] sudo /etc/init.d/service start|restart|stop [13:12] is working again ? [13:13] ghostcube: country flag? [13:13] jussi01: if you enable the keyboard layouts [13:13] you have the country flag like in widows [13:14] oh, yeah, I dont use that [13:14] oh ok :) [13:14] btw, I have an IR remote control for my TV card. its somewhat mapped already, can kde re-map those keys? [13:27] Quintasan|Szel: I made some changes to your gluon package and put it into ninjas [13:27] however it has no Messages.sh nor COPYING file and upstream havn't done a release so I'm not sure we want to upload it to the archive [13:28] even if kdegames does have it as a dependency [13:33] ghostcube: you are on 4.4 beta, right? [13:33] could you test if sftp works on dolphin? [13:33] jussi01: yes not right now but in gereral yes [13:34] later [13:34] not yet iam at work only xp here [13:34] o.o [13:34] ok, anyone else around on the beta? [13:36] Quintasan || Quintasan|Szel: I'd like to point out that the current (unspoken) convention for package names for KCModules is kcm-* :) [13:38] jussi01: sftp is known now working with 4.4beta due to libssh not in main. [13:38] JontheEchidna: Did you hear back from asac? [13:39] ScottK: ahh. is there a way I can enable it? [13:39] ScottK: nope [13:39] not a peep out of him since I pinged [13:39] jussi01: Rebuild -workspace with libssh-dev in build-depends. [13:39] oh.... [13:39] You'll also need to fiddle with the .install files [13:40] ScottK: I do hope that is going to change? [13:40] ie. libssh is going to main, no? [13:40] jussi01: Yes, we are waiting for the Main Inclusion Report to get approved [13:40] ScottK: /me breathes a huge sigh of releif [13:41] I use that dolphin feature _all_ the time... [13:41] * jussi01 goes to find anothe sftp client for the meantime... [13:41] * ScottK too [13:43] Riddell: qtscriptgenerator is already in Main. Amarok is depwait on qtscript-tools. Any chance you could go ahead and promote it? [13:44] ScottK: done [13:45] Riddell: Cool. Thanks. === tusooa_ is now known as tusooa [13:56] Riddell: upstream said they do not want it in archive until release [13:56] PPA will be better since we can update it anytime we want [14:12] interesting: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/295 === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan [14:22] Riddell: python-kde3 seems to have evaded the blacklist and returned. Would you please kill it/blacklist again? [14:25] ScottK: done [14:25] Thanks. [14:27] JontheEchidna: phonon-backends uploaded (now that runtime is sorted). [14:29] Riddell: Did my message reach you? [14:29] Riddell: would you add gtk-qt-engine to the blacklist and hit it too? [14:29] Quintasan: about gluon? yes thanks [14:29] good [14:30] * Quintasan 's connection started broking few days ago [14:30] JontheEchidna: done [14:30] Riddell: thanks [14:40] is anyone backporting virtuoso to beta backports? Nepomuk fails without it... [14:41] virtuoso 6.0.0 doesnt' work with nepomuk so we have to wait until 6.0.1 [14:45] oh [14:45] bugger [14:47] can't we use the old version? [14:48] the packaging is a beast, but I suppose it's downgradable === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:33] OK, I think the last packages we need for a complete armel ISO are queued/building. [15:33] awooga [15:34] Of course several of them are KDE SC bits that haven't had a try yet, so I'd be pleasantly suprised if they all built on the first try. [15:34] Now if someone could just fix Qt on powerpc and ia64. [15:35] for all our many ia64 users [15:35] Riddell: you know who is taking care of forum.kde.org? [15:36] freeflyi1g: I don't immediately remember but #kde-forum would probably know [15:36] Riddell: Not sure about Kubuntu, but there are a non-zero number of ia64 desktop users. [15:36] Riddell: thx === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [15:39] ScottK: ld segfault on powerpc looks hard to fix [15:39] "error: cast from 'JSC::JSCell*' to 'int32_t' loses precision" on ia64 probably just needs a c++ wizard [15:40] * ScottK looks for sebas ... [15:40] * sebas hides right here [15:41] is the fact that 'copy selection' is the default now in klipper a kde decision or did we do that? [15:41] * ScottK dubs sebas C++ wizard and hands him https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.6.0-1ubuntu3/+build/1399258/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-ia64.qt4-x11_4:4.6.0-1ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz for some patching. [15:43] ScottK: looks like you want a Qt developer [15:43] it doesn't look like anything I could fix [15:43] sebas: Know any you could ask? [15:44] ask thiago if he knows who's responsible [15:44] yofel: That's a KDE decision, and one that I immediately un-did [15:44] me too [15:44] :D [15:45] well, me too, but we just had another person in ubuntu+1 that was confused by that [15:45] thx [15:45] why had kde decided to do this any arguments ? [15:47] what's copy selection? [15:48] Riddell: you select a text and it's immediatly copied to the clipboard [15:48] "synchronise contents of selection and clipboard"? [15:48] that was recognised as being evil years ago [15:49] well, the kde devs seem to think otherwise now... [15:51] * ScottK summons the KDE god of usability .... [15:51] seele: You around? [15:52] it's been on for a year? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/klipper/klipper.kcfg?view=log [15:53] I've had Mattis Ettlich rant at me about how many bugs Qt has received from when that was on in KDE 1 times [15:56] Now that I know what was causing that, I'm annoyed. [15:57] might have been accidental; I know that klipper has gotten some rearchitectural love recently [15:59] hmm, kcm-phonon-xine is in universe but phonon-backends-xine depends on it [15:59] klipper misses every other selection here - that's annoying [16:00] Riddell: ^^^ would you please promote kcm-phonon-xine [16:01] ScottK: done [16:01] JontheEchidna: 44 minutes and you should be good. [16:02] JontheEchidna: Request nicely timed just before the publisher run. [16:02] I noticed plasma-scriptengine-javascript is universe too [16:02] Does anything depend on that? [16:02] I thought we had been providing the js stuff by default, maybe not [16:02] so where's today's daily build? [16:03] Some of the scriptengines are in Universe on purpose, IIRC. [16:04] refic: ISO build failed. [16:05] oh, okay [16:07] refic: I can rebuild them if you want to do some testing [16:07] (the problem that caused the failure is fixed) [16:09] Riddell: sure, if that's not too much work for you [16:10] refic: building, should appear in an hour or so [16:10] or less probably [16:10] great, thanks [16:17] Riddell: asac just PM'ed me he'd look at it today [16:17] He's on "vacation", but not so much he's not working. [16:17] ScottK: he PMed me too, he can't be having that much of a holiday :) [16:17] Heh. Yeah. [16:24] ScottK: i am [16:24] ScottK: que pasa? [16:25] We were just discussing the upstream change to klipper that makes it put everything you highlight in the copy buffer by default. [16:25] "synchronise contents of selection and clipboard" [16:25] The consensus here (and from what user feedback we've gotten) is this was not a good change. [16:26] * ScottK was thinking you might consider looking into it with your KDE usability hat on. [16:26] seele: ^^^ [16:26] ScottK: so it's syncronizing with whatever the x clipboard is instead of having a separate one? [16:27] before middle click and ctrl+v were not synced and it caused a lot of confusion [16:27] No, whever you select text it automatically puts it in the clipboard. [16:27] it's also a hard tradeoff, do you support people who have been using x for years and expect select to copy to work, or do you support new users who don't know the functionality exists [16:28] ScottK: right, isn't there another clipboard that does that? for x11 or something? [16:28] Dunno, to me they are two different things [16:28] all they did was sync it [16:28] Dunno about others. [16:28] right, that's because you know they exist and they are separate [16:28] people who haven't been using unix for long don't know they are different [16:28]