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bllzwell mine is, but my roomate has windows00:00
rhpot1991fontend and backend are still on the same box right, or are you running frontends on the laptop?00:00
bllzthe laptop is entirely independent00:01
bllzi'm talking about an smb copy00:01
bllzi.e. drag 'n drop onto the desktop00:01
bllzopen smb share in windows (or linux, whatever), drag movie to desktop, wait, profit00:02
bllzthat's the scenario00:02
mrandbllz: that should work fine.00:02
rhpot1991bllz: what I do, is I mount via ssh and copy my videos over00:02
rhpot1991windows has winscp that can do that for you00:03
bllzand the question is simply, are all videos in the video storage group accessible through the smb share that points to /var/lib/mythtv/videos00:03
rhpot1991in linux gnome does it nicely00:03
rhpot1991so you'd login and see your home dir or root, and just navigate whereever you please00:03
bllzrhpot1991:  i know there are other ways to do it, but my roomates are not technically inclined, so i'd like for them to be able to drag and drop from smb00:03
rhpot1991bllz: smb shares would require a share for every physical folder00:03
rhpot1991you could use some symlinks possibly to avoid that00:03
bllzrhpot1991:  okay that's all =)00:03
bllzrhpott1991:  how would I do that?00:04
rhpot1991you seem to be dancing around and making something more difficult than it needs to be though00:04
bllzrhpot1991:  well that's why i was going to use an lvm =/00:04
rhpot1991lvm == headaches :)00:04
rhpot1991but if you really want to go ahead00:04
rhpot1991I've been there and I'm not going back00:04
bllzrhpot1991:  what kind of headaches?00:05
bllzin installation, or in use?00:05
rhpot1991if something goes bad the lvm goes poof00:05
bllzaah yeah, like raid0 in that respect00:05
rhpot1991its a pain to modify without having a drive larger than the sum of the lvm00:05
rhpot1991plus its kinda a pain to setup, you need to use an alt disc00:06
tgm4883bllz, are you trying to copy to or from the smb share?00:06
bllzis it possible to set them up from the livecd at all?00:06
rhpot1991our stance for the most part is that storage groups solve any need you had for a lvm00:06
bllztgm4883:  no i just want all videos to be available from one smb share00:06
rhpot1991tgm4883: copy to a smb share00:06
rhpot1991which is on his backend00:06
rhpot1991but he wants 2 dirs to be one share00:06
tgm4883ah00:06
bllzright00:06
rhpot1991bllz: what a LVM will do is fill up your first drive first then move to the 2nd00:07
rhpot1991its not gonna load ballance them or anything00:07
tgm4883yea I don't think it works like that. You could share /var/lib/mythtv, then have subdirs be video1 and video200:07
bllzrhpot1991:  that's not a problem, really00:07
rhpot1991so you may as well just make 2 shares00:07
rhpot1991tgm4883: ya he could do that and possibly symlink00:07
tgm4883rhpot1991, no need to symlink00:07
bllzsymlinking sounds like a pain to maintain00:07
rhpot1991I used to do that with nfs, had my backends with all the same folder structures00:07
rhpot1991tgm4883: well symlink or set it up to mount in there00:07
tgm4883exactly00:08
bllzof course... i could always just dedicae an entire drive to recordings and livetv... and then have the other one be the system drive and everything else00:08
rhpot1991what default directory?00:09
rhpot1991tgm4883: ^00:09
rhpot1991worky?00:09
tgm4883nope00:09
tgm4883odd00:09
rhpot1991weird indeed00:09
mazda01want to upgrade from mythbuntu 9.04 to 9.10, many people have success?00:09
rhpot1991mazda01: should go pretty smoothly00:09
tgm4883bllz, what is your end goal?00:09
mazda01bllz, that's how I have my setup.00:09
markl_mazda01: myth 0.22 is pretty buggy still from what i can tell; maybe try it on another machine first00:10
markl_unless you don't play videos00:10
bllztgm4883:  simple really... 1)  use both of my 500gb drives and 2) have all files in a storage group available from one smb share00:10
mazda01rhpot1991, going to also upgrade a frontend from 9.04 to 9.10 of ubuntu which has mythtv installed in it.00:10
mazda01markl_, are you serious? it's been awhile since .22 was released. what bugs? any show stoppers00:10
tgm4883I disagree about the 0.22 bugs00:11
rhpot1991haha markl_ , enough00:11
mazda01bllz, not a problem, that's why storage groups were defined. do you have to use smb though? i use NFS for mine00:11
bllzmazda01:  my roomates are on windows clients00:12
bllzmazda01:  so i think that precludes the use of NFS00:12
tgm4883bllz, are they writing to or reading from the drive?00:12
bllzboth, but mostly writing00:12
mazda01tgm4883, so no show stoppers then. mythvideo works good, mythweb, etc. i know in the past I have had a problem with mythweb getting scrwed up. will that happen?00:12
tgm4883I guess my real question is, why not just use UPNP?00:12
rhpot1991mazda01: there is one issue with mythvideo00:13
rhpot1991!iso | mazda0100:13
Zinnmazda01: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/700:13
rhpot1991that fixes it for you, so no real worries00:13
tgm4883basically, you go legacy mythvideos for ISO's00:13
mazda01bllz, you said that the drives you want to write recording to are coming from a windows server??? or do you mean that your roommates will need access the recordings that you want to share to them using smb? so you're writing to a local drive, but your sharing the files over smb00:13
bllzmazda01:  no no, the roomates are on windows clients, reading and writing to the myth server00:14
mrandmazda01: mythvideo and mythweb are probably the two most overall improved functional areas in all of 0.22 (ignoring theming, which isn't really _functional_)00:14
rhpot1991markl_: making a directory for your DVD folders didn't help?  I'd think that the same work around should work there00:14
rhpot1991markl_: you need to make sure that directory is not in a storage group as well00:14
mrandI tend to wrap all those files in the VIDEOS directory back into an .iso so its easier to move around and manage.00:15
bllzok so I think i've settled on a simple solution here.  I'll install to drive A and i'll configure my storage directories in the myth-backend-setup to record livetv to drive b00:18
bllzjust a quick question though... what's the difference between the recordings and livetv storage directories?00:18
tgm4883one is for recordings and one is for live tv00:18
tgm4883you don't technically need live tv00:18
bllzthgm4883:  call me stupid, but i don't understand the disticntion00:19
tgm4883it's there in case you want live tv to go onto a separate hard drive00:20
bllzyou mean livetv that isn't going to get permanently stored as a recording?00:20
tgm4883AFAIK, yes00:20
mrandbllz: not unless you press the record button while you are watching it.00:21
bllzaah okay that makes sense00:21
bllzmrand, right00:21
tgm4883i'm not sure what happens if you hit the record button00:21
tgm4883mrand, does it move it?00:21
bllzproably gets moved?00:21
mrandhrm.  don't know, actually.00:21
tgm4883heh00:21
bllzmrand, god don't you know anything?! =)00:21
mrandMy directories aren't set up that way.00:21
bllzby default they're in two separate directories, though... aren't they?00:22
tgm4883bllz, I don't think so00:22
tgm4883wait00:22
tgm4883yea, but on the same drive00:22
bllzyeah that's what i thought00:22
bllzhmm00:22
tgm4883I don't watch live tv though00:22
bllzaah00:22
tgm4883doesn't make much sense to me00:22
mrandgotta run.00:23
tgm4883why would I want the opportunity to miss something?00:23
bllzhow do you guys have your swap space set up?  is it a good idea to put a swap partition on every drive?00:27
tgm4883bllz, no00:27
tgm4883I just have it on my system drive00:27
tgm4883I think 1GB worth00:28
bllzwhat's the word on filesystems these days?  last time I installed (8.04), XFS was all the rage for myth servers00:36
rhpot1991livetv is stored but weighted lower so its deleted quicker00:45
rhpot1991bllz: ext4 is the default now00:45
rhpot1991markl_: I'm gonna extract an iso later and test it out00:45
bllzrhpot1991:  thanks00:46
bllzrphot1991:  in fact thanks for all the help today... i'm slowly learning =)00:46
rhpot1991bllz: no problem, thats what we are here for00:54
rhpot1991bllz: if you have the hardware it might be a good idea to do an install and mess around00:54
rhpot1991you might be able to learn more by getting in there00:55
bllzhaha i've been doing that actually00:55
bllzseveral times00:55
bllzwhich brings up another point00:55
bllzrhpot1991:  I installed 9.10 about 30 times over the past 2 weeks, but my last install acted really weird (and I didn't really do anything differently) ... what happened was that my electronic program guide was very unresponsive.  it took about 10 seconds for it to respond to one button press00:56
bllzany idea what may have caused that so I don't do it again?00:56
rhpot1991bllz: hard to tell, if you had some logs from when that happened that would be the place to start00:57
bllzpast installation, im afraid... if it happens again i'll come here with logs00:57
rhpot1991bllz: whenever anything gest slow run top and see if there is something pegging the system00:58
bllzaah good idea. i hadn't thought of that00:58
rhpot1991after that check your logs for hints00:58
bllzthe strange thing was it was *only* the EPG00:58
rhpot1991there will be a mythbuntu-log-grabber on the system that you can run and pastebin the logs for people in here to inspect00:58
bllzbut like i said... if it happens again, i'll go to the logs00:58
bllzrhpot1991:  i'm used to gnome... how can i tell if a volume is mounted in xfce?00:59
dhimiterhello, i tried installing mythbuntu 9.10 on a dell xps laptop. installation went well, but OS does not boot up after restart. i'm stuck on a black screen01:27
bllzdhimiter:  reinstall?01:30
gopppI am back01:30
bllzdhimiter:  or did you install mythbuntu to an already existing ubuntu installation?01:30
gopppI get stuck at grub01:30
gopppbliz all I see is my windows boot drive in the grub menu01:31
gopppso I did some cli stuff in grub01:31
bllzgoppp:  you'll likely have better luck in #ubuntu01:31
dhimiteri had ubuntu 9.04 but i formatted the HD before installing mythbuntu01:31
bllzdhimiter:  then just reinstall.  iv'e had that happen once or twice (don't know why) and it always gets fixed the next time around01:32
gopppyea I will try third reinstall, becuase as far I gotten was initramfs01:33
bllzgoppp:  it might be worth checking your drive for errors if it persists01:34
gopppk yea I will try chkdsk01:42
bllzgoppp:  try with smartmontools too01:43
dhimiteri tried twice alredy. i'll give it another try01:45
dhimiterbliz, i just installed again and still no luck. same thing on the reboot02:17
Shadow__Xanyone ever figure out hte motd bug with mythtv .22?02:20
dhimiteri'm trying another install and now i'm paying more attention to step 4. Prepare disk space02:30
gopppsmartmontools02:31
dhimiterthe install is telling me that my PC has Ubuntu 9.10 on it: /dev/sda1 91.3 GB. the options are 1) Install them side by side, 2) erase and use the entire disk, 3) specify partitions manually02:32
dhimiterso far i've used options 2 and 3 and they have not worked. when i picked 3 i used the entire disk space for mythbuntu.02:33
dhimiterwhich option do i pick. i only want to use mythbuntu on this machine02:34
map7_Does anyone else's DVD drive eject then close straight away when hitting the eject button under mythbuntu 9.10?02:49
bllzwhy does my mythtv interface fade to black as soon as the frontend loads up?03:06
superm1are you running on gnome?03:09
bllzsuperm1:  no, xfce03:09
superm1map7_, it should be delayed by a little bit - about 10 sec or so03:09
bllzsuperm1:  i have opengl enabled though03:09
superm1well that's weird then03:09
bllzI see the interface breifly and then it fades to black03:10
bllzthe strange thing is taht if i try to leave the frontend interface, the dialgoue box becomes visible...03:10
superm1sounds like maybe you are missing your GL drivers then?03:10
bllzsuperm1:  i should add that i'm starting the frontend from vnc03:10
superm1oh that's definitely it then03:11
bllzsuperm1:  okay03:11
superm1don't do GL unless you have GL support03:11
bllzsuperm1:  yeah i definitely have the drivers, as it was working moments ago03:11
bllzsuperm1:  you mean for vnc?03:11
superm1yes03:11
superm1vnc won't support GLX03:11
superm1so it's not going to behave properly03:11
bllzsuperm1:  ok makes sense03:11
bllzsuperm1:  how do i start it from the command line?03:11
superm1there's a reset flag03:11
superm1i dont recall it off hand03:12
bllzsuperm1;  okay i'll look it up on the mighty google03:12
bllzthanks03:12
superm1look at --help03:12
superm1it's in the flags03:12
superm1mythfrontend --help03:12
bllzsuperm1:  figured it out... "sudo reboot"03:15
bllzlol03:15
bllzoh for fuck's sake...03:17
Zinnbllz: Please watch your language.03:17
map7_superm1 what should be delayed? The eject call?03:17
bllzsuperm1:  still having the problem... even with no vnc03:17
superm1map7_, it's not actually an eject call that causes it, it's a disk read call03:17
superm1it was fixed at release with a fix that delayed it to about 10 sec03:18
superm1but some people still reported troubles03:18
superm1and those are fixed in the latest -fixes builds, which you can grab from http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds03:18
superm1bllz, with no vnc and the QT painter it's happening?03:18
map7_superm1 ok i'll give auto-builds a go when I backup this system.03:19
bllzsuperm1:  no still opengl painter03:19
bllzsuperm1:  i can't change the settings since I can't see the interface03:19
superm1bllz, that's why i said to use the reset flag on mythfrontend03:19
bllzsuperm1:  and what's more, the interface shows up for about 3 seconds before smoothly fading out to black03:19
bllzoooh... i didn't find that03:19
bllzsuperm1:  i tried typing mythfrontend --help03:20
bllzgot nothing03:20
superm1"-r or --reset                  Resets frontend appearance settings and language"03:20
superm1so run 'mythfrontend -r'03:20
superm1and that will reset things03:20
bllz"unable to display, cannot connect to x server"03:20
superm1you aren't running it on the local console it sounds like03:21
bllzsuperm1:  no, ssh03:21
superm1it wont work there03:21
superm1only on VNC or on the console03:21
bllzsuperm1:  so now all the settings are back to default?03:22
superm1appearance and language only03:22
bllzah okay much better03:23
superm1so you have some kind of problem with GL still if that was happening03:24
superm1and i'd say that's likely why you were having problems with your program guide being delayed too if GL was messed up03:25
Shadow__Xhey superm1 are you aware of a lack of a motd when using mythtv .2203:39
superm1nope03:39
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rhpot1991Shadow__X: do you have byobu installed?04:15
Shadow__Xno what is that04:16
rhpot1991modification of gnuscreen, I do and have noticed that it seems to consume my mythtv-statue MOTD and I don't see it on login04:16
rhpot1991figured it might be relivant04:16
Shadow__Xhmm do i need to have that installed to use screen and yes i do have it installed04:18
rhpot1991Shadow__X: which installed screen or byobu?04:19
Shadow__Xboth are installed i was asking if i uninstall byobu would that affect screen04:20
rhpot1991Shadow__X: I don't think so, packages.ubuntu.com seems to be down now so I can't look04:23
rhpot1991Shadow__X: run both see if your MOTD is in there04:23
Shadow__Xrhpot1991: ok i uninstalled it now going to check it thanks for the heads up04:34
Shadow__Xhmm i uninstalled it loged out of my ssh session and logged back in but the mythtv section of my motd is still missing04:36
markl_ugh still can't get VIDEO_TS to play even after deleting the storage groups04:45
rhpot1991markl_: extracting an iso now to test it04:51
markl_nfs is doing its usual nonsense too, hmm04:52
markl_ok got it05:06
markl_i didn't properly delete the videos storage group05:06
markl_combined with the metallurgy theme sucking05:10
markl_ok this is great05:10
markl_libdvdnav: chapter NOT FOUND!05:12
Hilikusdid anyone else lose mythtv-backend after upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10?05:21
rhpot1991markl_: just did a test, if you follow the link that I told you before your VIDEO_TS movies will work fine05:26
rhpot1991I'll update that page to include that05:27
mrandHilikus: might make sure mythtv-backend-master is installed.05:28
Hilikusmrand: its not05:28
Hilikusive updated since feisty with no problems but this time the backend was just dropped05:29
Hilikusdid i do something wrong in the update05:29
mrandHilikus: not that I know of.  On one of my upgrades I saw that, but don't remember off the top of my head if i figured out why it got dropped.    Anyway,  I believe just adding -master back should fix it.05:30
rhpot1991!iso | markl_05:31
Zinnmarkl_: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/705:31
Hilikuswhats the difference between backend and backend-master?05:31
rhpot1991Hilikus: master backend is your master backend, a regular backend can be a slave backend05:32
Hilikusoh i see05:32
Hilikusthanks05:32
rhpot1991you need one master backend, and may add additional backends to your network05:32
rhpot1991make sense?05:32
Hilikustotally05:33
mrandHilikus: master includes mysql for database05:33
mrandThanks rhpot199105:33
Hilikuswill i lose all my settings though??05:33
mrandtypically not... the database should still be there05:33
Hilikusthe DB is still there05:33
mrandreinstalling the executables won't overwrite the data05:34
Hilikusperfect05:37
Hilikusit's all there05:37
Hilikusthanks guys05:37
mrandyou're welcome.  Have fun!05:37
Hilikuswhat WM do you guys recommend that will work well with myth and has a small memory footprint?05:38
mrandIf you're feeling crazy, LXDE is gaining traction in the ubuntu world - but I'm not aware that anyone has tried it.  Gnome or xfce are the two most commonly used, but most any should work of course.  If you try a different one and find it working, please feel free to drop by and let people know here or in the forums.05:43
mrand(not aware that anyone has tried Myth on it) <- LXDE05:43
Hilikuswell, ive used fluxbox for the last 2 years but i was wondering if there's a smaller one ;P05:43
rhpot1991xfce is a safe bet05:44
Hilikusi don't have much ram and i'm running a web server/mysql server in the backend as well05:44
Hilikusi read yesterday an article saying that xfce was not really using less memory than gnome05:44
mrandI haven't tried flipping back and forth... I probably should sometime.  I'd heard something similar to what you did.05:46
Hilikushave you guys tried ratpoison? i read its smaller than fluxbox05:46
mrandIn general, I know people have used it, but I'm not aware that anyone here that has direct experience with it.05:48
Hilikusi might give that a try05:48
mrandYeah, people are still using all of the ones that you've mentioned, even with VDPAU.  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU05:49
mrandMaybe or maybe not on Ubuntu systems.05:50
Hilikusso what exactly is mythbuntu?? i just have ubuntu server with mythtv in it, how is this different ?05:51
mrandmythbuntu is simply a custom ubuntu build which auto-includes a limited number of packages (fewer than Ubuntu), and defaulting to xfce.  No functional difference, just less stuff installed, so closer to an appliance.  You can, of course, add whatever apps you want back in.05:52
mrandcustom ubuntu distro I should say.  it isn't recompiled or anything.05:53
Hilikusoh i see05:53
mrandIf you've got a ubuntu server setup and myth running on it, I'd probably follow the first rule: if it isn't broken, don't fix it. :-)05:54
Hilikushehe05:57
Hilikusi'll probably do that05:58
Hilikusthanks alot for your help guys05:58
Hilikusgnight05:58
mrandnight!05:58
darthanubismythtv-frontend: Depends: libmyth-0.22-0 but it is not going to be installed07:05
darthanubiswhy?07:05
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markl_rhpot1991: sorry for the late response, but I am not using iso's15:37
markl_that page needs some updates15:38
markl_it didn't work for me at all15:38
markl_deleting all storage groups (but default) is what did it15:39
rhpot1991darthanubis: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade may fix that16:54
rhpot1991markl_: no you don't need to delete the storage groups, you just need to make a new directory that lives outside of the storage groups and then park your ISO/VIDEO_TS files in that, then specify that directory as mentioned in the article16:55
darthanubisrhpot1991, thank you for your reply. I just added the auto builds repo and all was well imediately16:55
cba123I have some files on a samba share, that I can play fine with MPlayer from the command line, but I get a few frame drops when myth launches mplayer.  I use the same command in Myth settings that I use from the command line.  Any ideas?20:21
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