[00:00] <bllz> well mine is, but my roomate has windows
[00:00] <rhpot1991> fontend and backend are still on the same box right, or are you running frontends on the laptop?
[00:01] <bllz> the laptop is entirely independent
[00:01] <bllz> i'm talking about an smb copy
[00:01] <bllz> i.e. drag 'n drop onto the desktop
[00:02] <bllz> open smb share in windows (or linux, whatever), drag movie to desktop, wait, profit
[00:02] <bllz> that's the scenario
[00:02] <mrand> bllz: that should work fine.
[00:02] <rhpot1991> bllz: what I do, is I mount via ssh and copy my videos over
[00:03] <rhpot1991> windows has winscp that can do that for you
[00:03] <bllz> and the question is simply, are all videos in the video storage group accessible through the smb share that points to /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[00:03] <rhpot1991> in linux gnome does it nicely
[00:03] <rhpot1991> so you'd login and see your home dir or root, and just navigate whereever you please
[00:03] <bllz> rhpot1991:  i know there are other ways to do it, but my roomates are not technically inclined, so i'd like for them to be able to drag and drop from smb
[00:03] <rhpot1991> bllz: smb shares would require a share for every physical folder
[00:03] <rhpot1991> you could use some symlinks possibly to avoid that
[00:03] <bllz> rhpot1991:  okay that's all =)
[00:04] <bllz> rhpott1991:  how would I do that?
[00:04] <rhpot1991> you seem to be dancing around and making something more difficult than it needs to be though
[00:04] <bllz> rhpot1991:  well that's why i was going to use an lvm =/
[00:04] <rhpot1991> lvm == headaches :)
[00:04] <rhpot1991> but if you really want to go ahead
[00:04] <rhpot1991> I've been there and I'm not going back
[00:05] <bllz> rhpot1991:  what kind of headaches?
[00:05] <bllz> in installation, or in use?
[00:05] <rhpot1991> if something goes bad the lvm goes poof
[00:05] <bllz> aah yeah, like raid0 in that respect
[00:05] <rhpot1991> its a pain to modify without having a drive larger than the sum of the lvm
[00:06] <rhpot1991> plus its kinda a pain to setup, you need to use an alt disc
[00:06] <tgm4883> bllz, are you trying to copy to or from the smb share?
[00:06] <bllz> is it possible to set them up from the livecd at all?
[00:06] <rhpot1991> our stance for the most part is that storage groups solve any need you had for a lvm
[00:06] <bllz> tgm4883:  no i just want all videos to be available from one smb share
[00:06] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: copy to a smb share
[00:06] <rhpot1991> which is on his backend
[00:06] <rhpot1991> but he wants 2 dirs to be one share
[00:06] <tgm4883> ah
[00:06] <bllz> right
[00:07] <rhpot1991> bllz: what a LVM will do is fill up your first drive first then move to the 2nd
[00:07] <rhpot1991> its not gonna load ballance them or anything
[00:07] <tgm4883> yea I don't think it works like that. You could share /var/lib/mythtv, then have subdirs be video1 and video2
[00:07] <bllz> rhpot1991:  that's not a problem, really
[00:07] <rhpot1991> so you may as well just make 2 shares
[00:07] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ya he could do that and possibly symlink
[00:07] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, no need to symlink
[00:07] <bllz> symlinking sounds like a pain to maintain
[00:07] <rhpot1991> I used to do that with nfs, had my backends with all the same folder structures
[00:07] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: well symlink or set it up to mount in there
[00:08] <tgm4883> exactly
[00:08] <bllz> of course... i could always just dedicae an entire drive to recordings and livetv... and then have the other one be the system drive and everything else
[00:09] <rhpot1991> what default directory?
[00:09] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ^
[00:09] <rhpot1991> worky?
[00:09] <tgm4883> nope
[00:09] <tgm4883> odd
[00:09] <rhpot1991> weird indeed
[00:09] <mazda01> want to upgrade from mythbuntu 9.04 to 9.10, many people have success?
[00:09] <rhpot1991> mazda01: should go pretty smoothly
[00:09] <tgm4883> bllz, what is your end goal?
[00:09] <mazda01> bllz, that's how I have my setup.
[00:10] <markl_> mazda01: myth 0.22 is pretty buggy still from what i can tell; maybe try it on another machine first
[00:10] <markl_> unless you don't play videos
[00:10] <bllz> tgm4883:  simple really... 1)  use both of my 500gb drives and 2) have all files in a storage group available from one smb share
[00:10] <mazda01> rhpot1991, going to also upgrade a frontend from 9.04 to 9.10 of ubuntu which has mythtv installed in it.
[00:10] <mazda01> markl_, are you serious? it's been awhile since .22 was released. what bugs? any show stoppers
[00:11] <tgm4883> I disagree about the 0.22 bugs
[00:11] <rhpot1991> haha markl_ , enough
[00:11] <mazda01> bllz, not a problem, that's why storage groups were defined. do you have to use smb though? i use NFS for mine
[00:12] <bllz> mazda01:  my roomates are on windows clients
[00:12] <bllz> mazda01:  so i think that precludes the use of NFS
[00:12] <tgm4883> bllz, are they writing to or reading from the drive?
[00:12] <bllz> both, but mostly writing
[00:12] <mazda01> tgm4883, so no show stoppers then. mythvideo works good, mythweb, etc. i know in the past I have had a problem with mythweb getting scrwed up. will that happen?
[00:12] <tgm4883> I guess my real question is, why not just use UPNP?
[00:13] <rhpot1991> mazda01: there is one issue with mythvideo
[00:13] <rhpot1991> !iso | mazda01
[00:13] <Zinn> mazda01: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[00:13] <rhpot1991> that fixes it for you, so no real worries
[00:13] <tgm4883> basically, you go legacy mythvideos for ISO's
[00:13] <mazda01> bllz, you said that the drives you want to write recording to are coming from a windows server??? or do you mean that your roommates will need access the recordings that you want to share to them using smb? so you're writing to a local drive, but your sharing the files over smb
[00:14] <bllz> mazda01:  no no, the roomates are on windows clients, reading and writing to the myth server
[00:14] <mrand> mazda01: mythvideo and mythweb are probably the two most overall improved functional areas in all of 0.22 (ignoring theming, which isn't really _functional_)
[00:14] <rhpot1991> markl_: making a directory for your DVD folders didn't help?  I'd think that the same work around should work there
[00:14] <rhpot1991> markl_: you need to make sure that directory is not in a storage group as well
[00:15] <mrand> I tend to wrap all those files in the VIDEOS directory back into an .iso so its easier to move around and manage.
[00:18] <bllz> ok so I think i've settled on a simple solution here.  I'll install to drive A and i'll configure my storage directories in the myth-backend-setup to record livetv to drive b
[00:18] <bllz> just a quick question though... what's the difference between the recordings and livetv storage directories?
[00:18] <tgm4883> one is for recordings and one is for live tv
[00:18] <tgm4883> you don't technically need live tv
[00:19] <bllz> thgm4883:  call me stupid, but i don't understand the disticntion
[00:20] <tgm4883> it's there in case you want live tv to go onto a separate hard drive
[00:20] <bllz> you mean livetv that isn't going to get permanently stored as a recording?
[00:20] <tgm4883> AFAIK, yes
[00:21] <mrand> bllz: not unless you press the record button while you are watching it.
[00:21] <bllz> aah okay that makes sense
[00:21] <bllz> mrand, right
[00:21] <tgm4883> i'm not sure what happens if you hit the record button
[00:21] <tgm4883> mrand, does it move it?
[00:21] <bllz> proably gets moved?
[00:21] <mrand> hrm.  don't know, actually.
[00:21] <tgm4883> heh
[00:21] <bllz> mrand, god don't you know anything?! =)
[00:21] <mrand> My directories aren't set up that way.
[00:22] <bllz> by default they're in two separate directories, though... aren't they?
[00:22] <tgm4883> bllz, I don't think so
[00:22] <tgm4883> wait
[00:22] <tgm4883> yea, but on the same drive
[00:22] <bllz> yeah that's what i thought
[00:22] <bllz> hmm
[00:22] <tgm4883> I don't watch live tv though
[00:22] <bllz> aah
[00:22] <tgm4883> doesn't make much sense to me
[00:23] <mrand> gotta run.
[00:23] <tgm4883> why would I want the opportunity to miss something?
[00:27] <bllz> how do you guys have your swap space set up?  is it a good idea to put a swap partition on every drive?
[00:27] <tgm4883> bllz, no
[00:27] <tgm4883> I just have it on my system drive
[00:28] <tgm4883> I think 1GB worth
[00:36] <bllz> what's the word on filesystems these days?  last time I installed (8.04), XFS was all the rage for myth servers
[00:45] <rhpot1991> livetv is stored but weighted lower so its deleted quicker
[00:45] <rhpot1991> bllz: ext4 is the default now
[00:45] <rhpot1991> markl_: I'm gonna extract an iso later and test it out
[00:46] <bllz> rhpot1991:  thanks
[00:46] <bllz> rphot1991:  in fact thanks for all the help today... i'm slowly learning =)
[00:54] <rhpot1991> bllz: no problem, thats what we are here for
[00:54] <rhpot1991> bllz: if you have the hardware it might be a good idea to do an install and mess around
[00:55] <rhpot1991> you might be able to learn more by getting in there
[00:55] <bllz> haha i've been doing that actually
[00:55] <bllz> several times
[00:55] <bllz> which brings up another point
[00:56] <bllz> rhpot1991:  I installed 9.10 about 30 times over the past 2 weeks, but my last install acted really weird (and I didn't really do anything differently) ... what happened was that my electronic program guide was very unresponsive.  it took about 10 seconds for it to respond to one button press
[00:56] <bllz> any idea what may have caused that so I don't do it again?
[00:57] <rhpot1991> bllz: hard to tell, if you had some logs from when that happened that would be the place to start
[00:57] <bllz> past installation, im afraid... if it happens again i'll come here with logs
[00:58] <rhpot1991> bllz: whenever anything gest slow run top and see if there is something pegging the system
[00:58] <bllz> aah good idea. i hadn't thought of that
[00:58] <rhpot1991> after that check your logs for hints
[00:58] <bllz> the strange thing was it was *only* the EPG
[00:58] <rhpot1991> there will be a mythbuntu-log-grabber on the system that you can run and pastebin the logs for people in here to inspect
[00:58] <bllz> but like i said... if it happens again, i'll go to the logs
[00:59] <bllz> rhpot1991:  i'm used to gnome... how can i tell if a volume is mounted in xfce?
[01:27] <dhimiter> hello, i tried installing mythbuntu 9.10 on a dell xps laptop. installation went well, but OS does not boot up after restart. i'm stuck on a black screen
[01:30] <bllz> dhimiter:  reinstall?
[01:30] <goppp> I am back
[01:30] <bllz> dhimiter:  or did you install mythbuntu to an already existing ubuntu installation?
[01:30] <goppp> I get stuck at grub
[01:31] <goppp> bliz all I see is my windows boot drive in the grub menu
[01:31] <goppp> so I did some cli stuff in grub
[01:31] <bllz> goppp:  you'll likely have better luck in #ubuntu
[01:31] <dhimiter> i had ubuntu 9.04 but i formatted the HD before installing mythbuntu
[01:32] <bllz> dhimiter:  then just reinstall.  iv'e had that happen once or twice (don't know why) and it always gets fixed the next time around
[01:33] <goppp> yea I will try third reinstall, becuase as far I gotten was initramfs
[01:34] <bllz> goppp:  it might be worth checking your drive for errors if it persists
[01:42] <goppp> k yea I will try chkdsk
[01:43] <bllz> goppp:  try with smartmontools too
[01:45] <dhimiter> i tried twice alredy. i'll give it another try
[02:17] <dhimiter> bliz, i just installed again and still no luck. same thing on the reboot
[02:20] <Shadow__X> anyone ever figure out hte motd bug with mythtv .22?
[02:30] <dhimiter> i'm trying another install and now i'm paying more attention to step 4. Prepare disk space
[02:31] <goppp> smartmontools
[02:32] <dhimiter> the install is telling me that my PC has Ubuntu 9.10 on it: /dev/sda1 91.3 GB. the options are 1) Install them side by side, 2) erase and use the entire disk, 3) specify partitions manually
[02:33] <dhimiter> so far i've used options 2 and 3 and they have not worked. when i picked 3 i used the entire disk space for mythbuntu.
[02:34] <dhimiter> which option do i pick. i only want to use mythbuntu on this machine
[02:49] <map7_> Does anyone else's DVD drive eject then close straight away when hitting the eject button under mythbuntu 9.10?
[03:06] <bllz> why does my mythtv interface fade to black as soon as the frontend loads up?
[03:09] <superm1> are you running on gnome?
[03:09] <bllz> superm1:  no, xfce
[03:09] <superm1> map7_, it should be delayed by a little bit - about 10 sec or so
[03:09] <bllz> superm1:  i have opengl enabled though
[03:09] <superm1> well that's weird then
[03:10] <bllz> I see the interface breifly and then it fades to black
[03:10] <bllz> the strange thing is taht if i try to leave the frontend interface, the dialgoue box becomes visible...
[03:10] <superm1> sounds like maybe you are missing your GL drivers then?
[03:10] <bllz> superm1:  i should add that i'm starting the frontend from vnc
[03:11] <superm1> oh that's definitely it then
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  okay
[03:11] <superm1> don't do GL unless you have GL support
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  yeah i definitely have the drivers, as it was working moments ago
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  you mean for vnc?
[03:11] <superm1> yes
[03:11] <superm1> vnc won't support GLX
[03:11] <superm1> so it's not going to behave properly
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  ok makes sense
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  how do i start it from the command line?
[03:11] <superm1> there's a reset flag
[03:12] <superm1> i dont recall it off hand
[03:12] <bllz> superm1;  okay i'll look it up on the mighty google
[03:12] <bllz> thanks
[03:12] <superm1> look at --help
[03:12] <superm1> it's in the flags
[03:12] <superm1> mythfrontend --help
[03:15] <bllz> superm1:  figured it out... "sudo reboot"
[03:15] <bllz> lol
[03:17] <bllz> oh for fuck's sake...
[03:17] <Zinn> bllz: Please watch your language.
[03:17] <map7_> superm1 what should be delayed? The eject call?
[03:17] <bllz> superm1:  still having the problem... even with no vnc
[03:17] <superm1> map7_, it's not actually an eject call that causes it, it's a disk read call
[03:18] <superm1> it was fixed at release with a fix that delayed it to about 10 sec
[03:18] <superm1> but some people still reported troubles
[03:18] <superm1> and those are fixed in the latest -fixes builds, which you can grab from http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[03:18] <superm1> bllz, with no vnc and the QT painter it's happening?
[03:19] <map7_> superm1 ok i'll give auto-builds a go when I backup this system.
[03:19] <bllz> superm1:  no still opengl painter
[03:19] <bllz> superm1:  i can't change the settings since I can't see the interface
[03:19] <superm1> bllz, that's why i said to use the reset flag on mythfrontend
[03:19] <bllz> superm1:  and what's more, the interface shows up for about 3 seconds before smoothly fading out to black
[03:19] <bllz> oooh... i didn't find that
[03:20] <bllz> superm1:  i tried typing mythfrontend --help
[03:20] <bllz> got nothing
[03:20] <superm1> "-r or --reset                  Resets frontend appearance settings and language"
[03:20] <superm1> so run 'mythfrontend -r'
[03:20] <superm1> and that will reset things
[03:20] <bllz> "unable to display, cannot connect to x server"
[03:21] <superm1> you aren't running it on the local console it sounds like
[03:21] <bllz> superm1:  no, ssh
[03:21] <superm1> it wont work there
[03:21] <superm1> only on VNC or on the console
[03:22] <bllz> superm1:  so now all the settings are back to default?
[03:22] <superm1> appearance and language only
[03:23] <bllz> ah okay much better
[03:24] <superm1> so you have some kind of problem with GL still if that was happening
[03:25] <superm1> and i'd say that's likely why you were having problems with your program guide being delayed too if GL was messed up
[03:39] <Shadow__X> hey superm1 are you aware of a lack of a motd when using mythtv .22
[03:39] <superm1> nope
[04:15] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: do you have byobu installed?
[04:16] <Shadow__X> no what is that
[04:16] <rhpot1991> modification of gnuscreen, I do and have noticed that it seems to consume my mythtv-statue MOTD and I don't see it on login
[04:16] <rhpot1991> figured it might be relivant
[04:18] <Shadow__X> hmm do i need to have that installed to use screen and yes i do have it installed
[04:19] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: which installed screen or byobu?
[04:20] <Shadow__X> both are installed i was asking if i uninstall byobu would that affect screen
[04:23] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: I don't think so, packages.ubuntu.com seems to be down now so I can't look
[04:23] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: run both see if your MOTD is in there
[04:34] <Shadow__X> rhpot1991: ok i uninstalled it now going to check it thanks for the heads up
[04:36] <Shadow__X> hmm i uninstalled it loged out of my ssh session and logged back in but the mythtv section of my motd is still missing
[04:45] <markl_> ugh still can't get VIDEO_TS to play even after deleting the storage groups
[04:51] <rhpot1991> markl_: extracting an iso now to test it
[04:52] <markl_> nfs is doing its usual nonsense too, hmm
[05:06] <markl_> ok got it
[05:06] <markl_> i didn't properly delete the videos storage group
[05:10] <markl_> combined with the metallurgy theme sucking
[05:10] <markl_> ok this is great
[05:12] <markl_> libdvdnav: chapter NOT FOUND!
[05:21] <Hilikus> did anyone else lose mythtv-backend after upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10?
[05:26] <rhpot1991> markl_: just did a test, if you follow the link that I told you before your VIDEO_TS movies will work fine
[05:27] <rhpot1991> I'll update that page to include that
[05:28] <mrand> Hilikus: might make sure mythtv-backend-master is installed.
[05:28] <Hilikus> mrand: its not
[05:29] <Hilikus> ive updated since feisty with no problems but this time the backend was just dropped
[05:29] <Hilikus> did i do something wrong in the update
[05:30] <mrand> Hilikus: not that I know of.  On one of my upgrades I saw that, but don't remember off the top of my head if i figured out why it got dropped.    Anyway,  I believe just adding -master back should fix it.
[05:31] <rhpot1991> !iso | markl_
[05:31] <Zinn> markl_: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[05:31] <Hilikus> whats the difference between backend and backend-master?
[05:32] <rhpot1991> Hilikus: master backend is your master backend, a regular backend can be a slave backend
[05:32] <Hilikus> oh i see
[05:32] <Hilikus> thanks
[05:32] <rhpot1991> you need one master backend, and may add additional backends to your network
[05:32] <rhpot1991> make sense?
[05:33] <Hilikus> totally
[05:33] <mrand> Hilikus: master includes mysql for database
[05:33] <mrand> Thanks rhpot1991
[05:33] <Hilikus> will i lose all my settings though??
[05:33] <mrand> typically not... the database should still be there
[05:33] <Hilikus> the DB is still there
[05:34] <mrand> reinstalling the executables won't overwrite the data
[05:37] <Hilikus> perfect
[05:37] <Hilikus> it's all there
[05:37] <Hilikus> thanks guys
[05:37] <mrand> you're welcome.  Have fun!
[05:38] <Hilikus> what WM do you guys recommend that will work well with myth and has a small memory footprint?
[05:43] <mrand> If you're feeling crazy, LXDE is gaining traction in the ubuntu world - but I'm not aware that anyone has tried it.  Gnome or xfce are the two most commonly used, but most any should work of course.  If you try a different one and find it working, please feel free to drop by and let people know here or in the forums.
[05:43] <mrand> (not aware that anyone has tried Myth on it) <- LXDE
[05:43] <Hilikus> well, ive used fluxbox for the last 2 years but i was wondering if there's a smaller one ;P
[05:44] <rhpot1991> xfce is a safe bet
[05:44] <Hilikus> i don't have much ram and i'm running a web server/mysql server in the backend as well
[05:44] <Hilikus> i read yesterday an article saying that xfce was not really using less memory than gnome
[05:46] <mrand> I haven't tried flipping back and forth... I probably should sometime.  I'd heard something similar to what you did.
[05:46] <Hilikus> have you guys tried ratpoison? i read its smaller than fluxbox
[05:48] <mrand> In general, I know people have used it, but I'm not aware that anyone here that has direct experience with it.
[05:48] <Hilikus> i might give that a try
[05:49] <mrand> Yeah, people are still using all of the ones that you've mentioned, even with VDPAU.  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[05:50] <mrand> Maybe or maybe not on Ubuntu systems.
[05:51] <Hilikus> so what exactly is mythbuntu?? i just have ubuntu server with mythtv in it, how is this different ?
[05:52] <mrand> mythbuntu is simply a custom ubuntu build which auto-includes a limited number of packages (fewer than Ubuntu), and defaulting to xfce.  No functional difference, just less stuff installed, so closer to an appliance.  You can, of course, add whatever apps you want back in.
[05:53] <mrand> custom ubuntu distro I should say.  it isn't recompiled or anything.
[05:53] <Hilikus> oh i see
[05:54] <mrand> If you've got a ubuntu server setup and myth running on it, I'd probably follow the first rule: if it isn't broken, don't fix it. :-)
[05:57] <Hilikus> hehe
[05:58] <Hilikus> i'll probably do that
[05:58] <Hilikus> thanks alot for your help guys
[05:58] <Hilikus> gnight
[05:58] <mrand> night!
[07:05] <darthanubis> mythtv-frontend: Depends: libmyth-0.22-0 but it is not going to be installed
[07:05] <darthanubis> why?
[07:19] <MendoCino> Happy Hanucah Brothers
[07:24] <MendoCino> Jo reggelt dicsoseges testvereim
[07:24] <MendoCino> Jo reggelt dicsoseges testvereim
[15:37] <markl_> rhpot1991: sorry for the late response, but I am not using iso's
[15:38] <markl_> that page needs some updates
[15:38] <markl_> it didn't work for me at all
[15:39] <markl_> deleting all storage groups (but default) is what did it
[16:54] <rhpot1991> darthanubis: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade may fix that
[16:55] <rhpot1991> markl_: no you don't need to delete the storage groups, you just need to make a new directory that lives outside of the storage groups and then park your ISO/VIDEO_TS files in that, then specify that directory as mentioned in the article
[16:55] <darthanubis> rhpot1991, thank you for your reply. I just added the auto builds repo and all was well imediately
[20:21] <cba123> I have some files on a samba share, that I can play fine with MPlayer from the command line, but I get a few frame drops when myth launches mplayer.  I use the same command in Myth settings that I use from the command line.  Any ideas?