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CosmiChaoscrimsun, the problem is not libesd0-alsa0 but missing version 0.2.41-6ubuntu1 of esound-common00:04
crimsunCosmiChaos: -common is an arch all package, so it's built on an i386 buildd00:05
crimsunCosmiChaos: and, unless you're playing silly ftp-master games, none of those debs are available00:06
crimsunCosmiChaos: they're all blocked on libesd-alsa0 being accepted from binary NEW by an archive admin00:06
CosmiChaosthats the actual dependency issue00:06
crimsunit's pretty clearly outlined at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue00:07
crimsun(just expand the esound i386 spinner)00:07
bjsniderdtchen has decided to be crimsun tonight00:30
bjsniderpossibly because of the lunar cycle00:30
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DanaGgrr, apparmor keeps blocking firefox-3.6.00:50
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i_is_brokeok i have had enough of the trolls and morons in the ubuntu channel, what is happening here today..anything new and exciting?01:09
i_is_brokeand should i be scared to reboot my computer:D lmao01:09
i_is_brokei just did updates.01:10
i_is_brokeyep there goes oldude01:10
i_is_brokelets see if it will bring up smoke and fire..:D01:11
bjsnidertrolls and morons?01:11
bjsniderare there politicians in there again?01:12
i_is_brokeoh yeah,lol might be.01:12
burzkiMSers01:12
i_is_brokeyeah bad.01:13
i_is_brokei cant say much i didnt know squat before i started, and heck i feel like i still dont.01:13
JontheEchidnaDanaG: The latest Phonon updates have the new PA integration. Not sure how good it is since I don't have PA installed01:14
i_is_brokeisnt phonon updated with PA?01:17
bjsnidermicrosoft advocates?01:17
DanaGhmm, what's the UI for the device-manager stuff supposed to look like?01:18
bjsnideryou mean devicekit-disks?01:19
bjsnideror palimpsest i guess is the actual name01:19
i_is_broke<<< wonders what the chances are of lexmarks adding help to linux for there printers???01:43
swoodyI don't think it's too likely unless the Linux market share takes a strong upswing :/01:44
* swoody has a Lexmark printer collecting dust ;)01:44
i_is_brokeyeah me too..:(01:44
swoodybut I also have a portable HP printer that works beautifully :)01:45
i_is_brokethats ok, tax time going to get one of them new fangled contraptions...laser jet or something01:45
swoodyI don't feel too bad about the Lexmark since it was free with my laptop purchase01:45
i_is_brokeyeah the ol lady uses it on her computer...but just to print off instructions or directions..so it still collects dust.lol01:46
swoodyhaha01:46
swoodyShe uses Windows?01:46
i_is_brokei think its been used 5 times this year.01:46
swoodyah, gotcha01:46
i_is_brokeyeah, i should of started her with linux..now she wont switch.01:47
swoodyhave you tried recently? I was really suprised when after setting up dual-boot on my fiancee's laptop. Two weeks into it, and she asked me to apt-get purge the Windows install :D01:47
i_is_brokelol, well she sees me on mine and says she likes all the cool stuff but she dont want to give up her windows..so i dont know...maybe when it crashes again..lmao ill install it and tell her to suffer.01:48
swoodyhaha, good plan :)01:49
swoodywaiting for Windows to crash... that shouldn't take too long ;)01:49
i_is_brokeyeah that is kind of what i figured.lol01:50
swoodyIs there anything that she *needs* Windows for? Any apps or anything that are stickly Windows-only?01:50
i_is_brokena, she only checks mail, and plays online games on yearbook, or myspace or whatever they are01:51
i_is_brokeif i can load java and flash she would be set.01:51
swoodynice, well if she does go to switch, that should make things easier :)01:53
i_is_brokeyeah i wouldnt have to do much.01:53
swoodyDoes she already use Firefox, too?01:53
i_is_brokeand i wouldnt have to worry about it crashing every other day either.01:53
i_is_brokeyeah she uses firefox and some of the other apps already.01:53
swoodyvery nice :)01:54
i_is_brokewell time for me to take my meds, and try and get some sleep got an early day ahead of me tomorrow, so you all have a good one and peace im out.01:54
swoodyyou should try the same line I used... "no defrag, no anti-virus, auto-updates... you can just *use* your computer" :)01:54
bjsnidera properly set up windows rig will not crash every day02:01
bjsniderlots of pc users under power their windows rigs02:01
bjsnideror buy cheap garbage clone machines02:01
bjsniderif they paid for the kind of hardware typically in mac computers, they'd have hardly any trouble with crashes02:02
swoodybut if they used a 5yr old piece of junk, they would be over-powered for Linux ;)02:05
swoodylol02:05
bjsniderno amount of horsepower would ever be enough for me02:05
swoodytoo true, but I got rid of my nice desktop rig, and I'm only using a crappy-lappy at the moment02:08
swoodygone from a Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition to a 1.7GHz Celeron M :P02:08
bjsniderthat has major sucking potential02:10
swoodyindeed :/02:11
swoodyand went from two 9800GX2's in SLI to integrated graphics :P02:11
swoodybut tbh, this lappy is everything I need... internet, movies, music... that's about it for me.02:12
swoodythat rig was just for Folding@Home really02:12
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bjsniderswoody, what do you mean you got rid of it?02:37
swoodybjsnider: parted it out and sold it off02:38
bjsniderwhy?02:38
swoodybjsnider: needed some $$, and my 'spare' computer was the first thing to go02:38
bjsniderswoody, well, from my cold, dead hands, i say02:59
sebsebsebRather good article and to do with Ubuntu releases including Lucid. http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/12/ubuntu-linux-gnome-and-xorg-th.html05:05
sebsebsebarticle/blog entry05:09
burzkilooks interesting.  thx05:15
sebsebsebburzki: I haven't finnished reading this yet  http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/12/ubuntu-1004-will-bring-panel-overhaul-social-network-menu.ars05:17
burzkioh geez.  i'll bookmark it for later though .. ;-)05:19
sebsebsebburzki: i'll finnish reading now05:20
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komputesFor those who are interested in reviewing/confirming important bugs, here are my top bug nominations picks for Lucid07:37
komputeshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/komputes/TopBugs07:41
kazagistarso, I have participated in the alphas a few times before, and have always plenty of fun (the masochistic but educational kind :P)... what is my chance of getting a usable system, given no particularly problematic hardware (with the possible exception of my nvidea graphics card) if I install Alpha 4?08:49
kazagistarer, I meant alpha 1, of course08:50
kazagistar(no clue why I hit the 4 key...)08:50
soeehi10:19
aboSamoorcan I upgrade to LL alpha1, or I should wait till alpha 2 ?11:37
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soeeaboSamoor: u can but i do not reccomand that :)12:26
soeeu can ask for other opinions to :)12:26
soee*s12:26
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hyperstreamGuys ive been getting a black screen for my Compaq Persario CQ61-314TU, in Karmic (LiveCD, with/without all the f6 options, and f4(safe graphics mode) and Alternate cd(Installs upon selecting from grub to boot karmic black screen), seems there is no solution?13:12
hyperstreamwhat would have changed in karmic > Lucid to resolve this?13:12
SwedeMikehyperstream: what do you mean by "black screen" ?13:14
hyperstreamlet me find the post that is exactly what im having, and the same steps ive taken13:18
hyperstreamits even almost exactly the same laptop possibly is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131385713:19
hyperstreamSwedeMike, thats perfect explaination + the steps ive taken, except the safe graphics option posted by another user that seems to perhaps solved the Threat starter's issue, does not work for me.13:19
SwedeMikeoki, so screen is completely black, nothing on it at all?13:20
hyperstreamthats correct13:21
SwedeMikewhen does that happen? after grub?13:22
hyperstreamit seems to boot up, but i cannot see anything, i cannot access any consoles/terminals13:22
hyperstreamSwedeMike, this happeneds, on the live cd, as soon as you try to boot live cd or install ubuntu(from livecd menu), even with playing with f4(safe graphics) and all the f6 options(combo and single selections)13:23
hyperstreamSwedeMike,  and i used the alternate cd to install, it installed and then when booting for the first time, i get grub->hit enter to boot into linux(fails on safe mode option too) i get a flood of text(if i take quite and splash off) then blackscreen, almost as if its loading the vga driver13:24
hyperstreamSwedeMike, this is in karmic, however for some reason Lucid-Alpha works fine.13:24
SwedeMikeso, edit the grub boot statement and remove "quiet splash" at the end13:25
hyperstreamive done that, i get the black screen13:25
SwedeMikepress esc, press e, go down to the second row, press e again, go to the end of the line, delete quiet splash, press esc, then b13:25
hyperstream'i get a flood of text(if i take quite and splash from command line/boot line)'13:26
SwedeMikewhat about alt-f1 then when that happens13:26
hyperstreamis what i ment.13:26
hyperstreami cannot get any consoles or terminals, from f1 - f4 and nothing for f713:26
SwedeMikebut it works if you boot it in rescue mode (single user) ?13:27
hyperstreamno13:27
hyperstreamblack screen again.13:27
SwedeMikeare you SURE you have removed quiet and splash when this happens?13:27
SwedeMikebecause if you can get the text while the kernel is booting, I don't see why it would go black in rescue mode13:27
hyperstreamyes. When i remove those two, i get a spam/flood of the first boot stage(im not sure what to call this stage) loads ata stuff and all sorts in a blink of a eye, then its as if it loads the vga driver and boom the screen turns off and then back on to a solid black screen13:28
hyperstreamSwedeMike, no one in #ubuntu understands either13:28
SwedeMiketake some kind of camera or something and make a movie of this and put on youtube or something, so we can see what's happening. First try booting into rescue mode without splash and quiet13:29
hyperstreamonce Lucid is installed, i might take a video(or try to) of me doing every possible suggested solution/possible solution, so people can see what im doing exactly13:29
hyperstreamahah you read my mind13:29
hyperstreamill see if the old fella has a cam i can use13:29
SwedeMikeor a digital camera or something13:30
hyperstreamSwedeMike, i will have a thing up on youtube tommorow13:34
hyperstreambest i can do, will you be on tommorow night this timeish ?13:34
SwedeMikehyperstream: just post the url and people can look at it and if they have some idea, they'll reply.13:44
SwedeMikehyperstream: just hilight me when you post the url and I can take a look13:44
hyperstreamSwedeMike, nps mate, thanks heaps13:44
hyperstreamtalk tommorow :)13:44
Milos_SDHi14:05
Milos_SDI updated udev to lucid version (I have Karmic installed), and now I can't force the version to karmic one (it wants to delete almost all system packages)14:06
Milos_SDhow can I do it safely?14:06
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BookmanIs it possible to upgrade to 10.04 using the .iso image without burning a CD or USB stick?16:31
BookmanIn other words, can I mount the .iso?16:31
macoBookman: yes16:31
macoBookman: the alternate iso, yes16:31
macoBookman: then add it as an apt repository and upgrade from there16:32
BookmanExcellent.  I will d/l that to begin with16:32
macoif you have to download it anyway, why not just do-release-upgrade?16:32
yotuxmaco: that is what I was going to say16:33
Bookmanmaco, I'm on a wireless laptop and I don't have a spare wired connection.  I don't want to upgrade via wireless.  It has not worked out well in the past.16:33
macoahh ok16:33
BookmanAnd for some reason my USB thumbdrive is not working, nor is my CD drive.16:34
BookmanIs there a Nautalis script to mount iso images?16:47
BookmanAh, I found gmount16:48
BookmanWhen I add software sources....how do I do that?17:04
BookmanTo point to my mounted drive?17:04
BookmanI have downloaded the altenate CD, mounted it via gmount, now how to I add it to my apt repository?17:08
macoBookman: ah, crimsun says in "man sources.list" theres a file:/// way to do it17:09
macoim trying to read it onow17:09
maco*now17:09
macooh ok thats easy enough17:10
macodeb file:/mountpoint/ubuntu lucid main17:10
BookmanSo if my mount was in say home/keithclark/Lucid,  I would:17:11
Bookmandeb file:/home/keithclark/Lucid lucid main?17:11
macoyou still need the /ubuntu17:12
Bookmangotcha, thanks!17:12
macoand umm..hrmm im not sure how the cd's hierarchy looks...17:12
BookmanLet me check17:12
Bookmanubuntu sub directory is there17:13
macook17:13
BookmanDo I need to change the permissions on that mounted drive first?17:13
Bookmanhmm, I add it but it does not show up on the list17:18
macoif you have read permissions i would assume thats enough...17:19
macoyoull have to run apt-get update after adding to sources.list17:19
Bookmanstill no show17:21
BookmanOk, I redid everything and now it shows up17:23
BookmanLets see what happens now17:25
lvhHello!17:25
lvhI know that the notify-osd wierdness is not a bug but a feature, but what's the recommended way of turning it off?17:26
lvhPinning on luicd and then adding jaunty repos?17:26
yofellvh: see last post on bug 48266117:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 482661 in notify-osd "[lucid] notify-osd has bad rendering" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48266117:30
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lvhyofel, awesome thank you17:35
yofelyou're welcome17:36
lvhyofel, I googled and found another bug, unfortunately17:37
yofellvh: which one?17:40
lvhyofel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/49593817:40
ubottuUbuntu bug 495938 in notify-osd "Notify-osd in lucid: Glitchy appearance" [Undecided,Invalid]17:40
lvhyofel, that basically says "it's not a bug, it's a debug flag" but doesn't say how to get rid of the debug flag17:40
lvhperhaps I should add a comment so that future googlers can figure out how to get rid of it?17:41
* yofel puts his BugSquad hat on and marks that bug as a duplicate of the other one17:42
om26erlvh, sudo gedit /usr/share/osd-notify/org.somethinglinke notification open it and remove debug=117:42
jordanwbI want to replace gdm with slim on 10.04 Alpha 1 but when I reboot it still starts gdm instead of slim18:00
yofeljordanwb: you adjusted /etc/X11/default-display-manager?18:01
jordanwbyofel: it says /etc/bin/slim18:02
jordanwbI'll reboot again and see what happens18:02
yofeletc?18:02
yofelyou mean /usr/bin/slim18:02
jordanwbYes18:02
yofelhm, odd18:02
yofelit shouldn't start gdm in that case18:03
yofelcan you start slim by hand? ('service gdm stop' and then run slim)18:04
jordanwbwell it does because upstart says that gdm terminated which is why I want to replace it with slim18:04
yofelin a tty18:04
jordanwbrunning "slim" works18:04
yofelthen I'm out of ideas, a lot seems to have changed with upstart...18:06
jordanwbThe file /etc/X11/default... is not executable. Should it be?18:07
BookmanWorked wonderful!  Upgraded and everything seems ok.18:08
yofeljordanwb: not here, but I use kdm and that has it's own init script, does slim have one?18:10
jordanwbIt seems that usplash is till around on my machine even though I replaced it with plymouth18:10
jordanwbI believe slim has its own init18:10
jordanwbYes it does18:11
DanaGhmm, plymouth refuses to run on my system.18:26
jordanwbI checked /etc/rc2.d and slim is enabled. I'm gonna restart and see what happens18:27
jordanwbgdm was killed bt TERM signal, don't know what's up with that18:27
jordanwbby TERM*18:27
jordanwbslim never gets around to loading18:27
jordanwbI see that usplash hasn't GTFO'd yet18:28
bjsniderDanaG, with what driver?18:28
DanaGuvesafb.18:28
DanaGBy "refuses to run", I mean this:18:29
DanaGhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223918:29
ubottuFreedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New]18:29
bjsniderDanaG, what's the exact mesage you're getting when it tries to load?18:30
DanaG"Unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon" is about the most I get.18:30
DanaGOr, when I previously tried plymouth during Jaunty development cycle and try plymouth=debug (or whatever the debug thingy was), I got "loading details.so" immediately.18:31
bjsniderwhat about "mountall can't load plymouth"18:32
DanaGI don't think I've seen that message.18:32
jordanwbgdm was killed even though it was never supposed to start, DRDY errors: haven't seen those in a long time18:37
jordanwbupstart never starts slim18:37
jordanwbhey it finially decided to start slim18:37
jordanwbI'm gonna restore my 9.04 backup18:44
virtualdhalp my memory is full i can't run ps or swapon or anything18:53
virtualdcan i get something dumped to my logs?18:53
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i_is_brokeisnt apport for help with bugs?19:36
i_is_brokeand what path is the source.list in..i have to fix mine.19:37
i_is_brokehave repeats of some.19:37
_Groo_hi/2 all20:05
_Groo_are the beta 2 packages being made for lucid yet?20:05
charlie-tcano20:09
charlie-tcalucid is in alpha120:09
charlie-tcaIt will not even go beta for 3 months20:10
_Groo_no no, sorry, packages for kde 4.4 beta 2!!! lol20:11
_Groo_i forgot the kde part %D20:11
_Groo_kdenlive akd koffice packages are still broken in alpha 1 till today.. where can i open bug reports?20:12
charlie-tcaI believe they want them filed directly at the upstream bug trackers now for kde.20:14
charlie-tcahttps://bugs.kde.org/20:14
charlie-tcaUnless it is Kubuntu specific, the it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/20:16
BUGabundoboas20:17
BUGabundohey cha20:17
BUGabundohey charlie-tca20:17
_Groo_charlie-tca: its kubuntu specific, they are dependecy bugs (classic package dep loop) not kde ones20:17
charlie-tcaHello, BUGabundo20:17
_Groo_BUGabundo: portugues?20:17
BUGabundohey _Groo_20:18
BUGabundos20:18
_Groo_BUGabundo: tb mas vivo no brasil20:18
BUGabundo:)20:18
_Groo_BUGabundo: for the time being ayway20:19
_Groo_gonna post 2 bugs then, kdenlive and koffice-kde4 are still broken, old dependencies mixed with new ones20:19
ubuntuHi .. need some help ... I just tried upgrading to lucid lynx alpha .. and my computer doesn't boot anymore ...20:31
ubuntuanyone here?20:32
BUGabundoI guess he got scared20:36
BUGabundobye20:36
BUGabundo:p20:36
arandHmm, seems like the "lucid is alpha, break away" is gone from topic...20:44
_Groo_if they dont know what to do dont upgrade to an unstable alpha i always say :D20:44
sebsebsebhi20:50
BUGabundohey sebsebseb20:51
sebsebsebBUGabundo: hey20:51
charlie-tcascared is good with lucid, isn't it?20:53
_Groo_pls see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice2/+bug/49860820:58
ubottuUbuntu bug 498608 in koffice2 "wrong dependencies in krita break both krita and koffice-kde4 install" [Undecided,New]20:58
_Groo_also see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive/+bug/49861221:02
ubottuUbuntu bug 498612 in kdenlive "kdenlive asks for wrong dependencies, cant be installed in lucid" [Undecided,New]21:02
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oldude67is it just with the newer ati video cards that is a problem with ubuntu? or are the older cards an issue too?22:48
oldude67the reason im asking is i want to try and install one on a system and see how it is done, so that i can know the issues with them..and what it takes to get them to work.22:50
bjsnideroldude67, what problems. what distro.23:00
oldude67not a problem i just wanted to learn, never had to install one and thought it might be something that i could learn from23:01
bjsniderwell, old cards don't work with fglrx anymore so when you install ubuntu, the card is installed too23:01
bjsnidernew cards you have the option of at least 3 drivers: radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx23:02
bjsnidereach have strengths and weaknesses23:02
DanaGI'd count "radeonhd" out, nowadays.  It's old hat.23:02
oldude67ok, and what is considered old?23:02
bjsniderDanaG probably knows more at this point in time23:02
DanaGI mean, radeon has been actively under development; radeonhd, not so much.23:02
bjsnideri'd say anything pre radeon hd is old23:03
DanaGI'm talking driver, not card.23:03
DanaG"radeonhd" driver is old.23:03
DanaGThat was Novell's thing.23:03
bjsniderwell, i'm sure it hasn't been developed as hard since novell fired luc whatshisname from the team23:03
DanaG"Radeon" has good stability, but lacks good power management, and OpenGL 3.  fglrx is less stable (and won't work with Lucid X server!), but has power management and now OpenGL 3.2.23:03
DanaGSo for right now, radeon is really the only choice.23:04
DanaG(unless you do the same hideously hack I did: pin packages to keep Karmic X server on Lucid system.)23:04
DanaGhideous hack.23:04
bjsniderfglrx prpobably won't support the lucid x server until april some time if it follows recent history23:04
bjsniderusualy they toss in support right at the end of an ubuntu cycle23:05
bjsniderati stuff is really a friggin nightmare i would think23:05
oldude67well i know that ati has a big difference then any video i have currently installed so i thought i would try and see if i could learn from installing one.23:05
bjsnideri think the only thing you'd learn is that you hate ati stuff23:05
DanaGWait, is this desktop, or laptop?23:06
oldude67well i have already heard that one..lol23:06
DanaGThe open-source driver has gotten pretty good, nowadays.23:06
DanaGEven supports Kernel-Modesetting.23:06
DanaGPower usage is the only blocker left for me; I do any gaming on Windows, anyway.23:07
oldude67ah i have never been much of a gamer, most i play is solitary.lol23:08
DanaGSounds like "radeon" open driver should be okay, then.23:09
oldude67ok ill check it and let you know how it goes.probably be sometime tomorrow tho as i have a couple of other projects to do in front of it.23:09
DanaGhmm, given the same approximate settings, kwin is way slower than compiz.23:16
bjsniderDanaG, isn't that kind of thing subjective?23:23
DanaGNo, not when kwin is drawing the desktop at 30 fps, and compiz at 60.23:23
DanaGAnd when rotating the cube, kwin goes at like 5 fps with opaque cube; compiz goes to 30 with transparent cube.23:24
oldude67oh i would like to thank everyone that has helped me in the past and will help me in the future..still learning things as i go and the info is always welcomed. anyway thanks.23:26
bjsnidertell them in #kubuntu-devel23:26
oldude67bjsnider, was that directed to me or DanaG ?23:27
bjsniderDanaG23:27
oldude67ok23:28
_Groo_DanaG: are you using xrender or opengl? vsync enabled? did you change the settings in main config window to fast or really fast? or is it in normal speed?23:31
DanaGspeed is "normal"23:31
_Groo_DanaG: try putting it to the fastest and try again, and disable vsync23:32
arielCoHello everyone... why am I getting a "distribution upgrade" even though I'm running Karmic? Shouldn't update-manager wait for Lucid to be released?23:32
bjsniderwouldn't vsinc merely hold it down to 60 fps?23:32
DanaGBut animation duration and FPS should be independent.  yup, it seems to be.23:32
DanaGwell, now kwin desktop is 45 fps.23:32
DanaGMagic lamp animation dips down to 25.23:33
_Groo_DanaG: nvidia setup?23:33
DanaGnope, ATI (fglrx and karmic's xorg).23:33
DanaGhmm, I'll have to try it on the OSS driver some time on a different system, for comparison.23:34
_Groo_DanaG: beta 1 is broken with radeon, at least on my card23:34
DanaGI also keep getting things like plasma randomly crashing... likely due to X server library differences.23:34
DanaGLatest kwin updates unbroke kwin for me.23:35
_Groo_DanaG: really, which card?23:35
_Groo_DanaG: in 4.4 beta 1? kubuntu lucid?23:36
DanaGVersion: 4:4.3.80-0ubuntu423:36
_Groo_DanaG: nope, still broken here23:38
DanaGweird.23:38
_Groo_DanaG: unfortunatelly.. :( i cant live without tab windows anymore lol23:38
DanaGtry checking "disable functionality checks"23:38
DanaGinteresting... the fps graph thing itself.. creates significant gpu usage.23:39
_Groo_yeah i did, still broken23:40
DanaGdang,23:40
_Groo_DanaG: oh, try to put texture filter to nearest to speed up stuff23:40
DanaGhmm, guess it still looks pretty good like that.23:41
DanaGhmm, now I just need to tweak duration.23:41
DanaGaah.23:41
DanaGI had it at Trilinear.23:41
_Groo_DanaG: which explains the speed drop, if you put compiz with best display its pretty slow and memory hog23:42
DanaGI had compiz at best filter also, though.23:42
DanaGPerhaps compiz's best is not as expensive as kwin's best.23:43
_Groo_DanaG: my experience shows me kde 3d is actually faster and less memory hog then compiz23:43
_Groo_DanaG: compiz dont have trilinear, only bilinear, if you want to test trilinear you have to activate the hmm plugin... whats the name..23:43
DanaGhmm, how do you switch window-tabs?23:43
DanaGbicubic, do you mean?23:44
_Groo_DanaG: yeah23:44
DanaGhmm, kwin on bilinear is fast enough.  thanks for the tips.23:44
_Groo_DanaG: you welcome, what card do you have?23:44
DanaGMobility HD3650.23:44
sebsebsebarielCo: That's probably not for Lucid.23:45
DanaGUsing fglrx until Radeon gets KMS power management.23:45
arielCosebsebseb: okay. So, why a "distro" upgrade now?23:45
sebsebsebarielCo: I have seen that kind of thing before...23:45
sebsebsebarielCo: Does it say that it will upgrade to Lucid?  If not then, I guess it won't.23:45
arielCosebsebseb: there was a partial upgrade before, and now this one23:46
sebsebsebarielCo: you used the graphical update manager yeah?23:46
_Groo_DanaG: ahhh thats why you can use kwin 3d ¬¬ its broken for radeon!23:46
sebsebsebarielCo: when a new release is available for it, it will say so, and there will be a button and a message, offering the upgrade23:46
sebsebsebarielCo: and saying a new version is available23:47
sebsebsebarielCo: also you didn't change any settings for which distro versions are shown right?23:47
arielCosebsebseb: yup, that's what I remember coming from Jaunty. This one popped on its own, and wants to change nvidia drivers, firefox, mplayer ...23:47
arielCosebsebseb: I think not23:48
sebsebsebarielCo: ok should be ok to run it then,  I think23:48
_Groo_arielCo: partial upgrades as you called it are normal, normally for bugfixing, DISTRO upgrades are usually done ever 6 months in (k/x)ubuntu and they update the entire OS, they are announced and NEVER enforced into users23:48
DanaGIf gnome-shell is going to go the way I think it's going... I'm going KDE.  KDE 4.4 is pretty dang nice.23:48
DanaGEven better on a high-DPI display; then the hugeness of the Oxygen style no longer wastes significant space.23:48
* _Groo_ wants is kwin 3d back :(23:49
DanaGhmm, you could get the source of kwin, and find the checks that are failing?23:49
bjsniderarielCo, are you using a ppa repo?23:50
arielCo_Groo_: yes, what got me wondering is that the window caption is "Distribution Upgrade" but it's a bit early for Lucid23:50
arielCobjsnider: a few, for applications. Why?23:51
bjsniderwhich ones23:51
_Groo_arielCo: what version are you now? karmic?23:51
_Groo_DanaG: i know its fixed for beta 2...23:52
arielCo_Groo_: I'm running Karmic23:52
_Groo_arielCo: strange23:52
sebsebsebSo what's this about Gnome packages in the topic?23:52
arielCobjsnider: VLC, Nvidia drivers, Deluge, and a silly thing named Ubuntu Tweak23:52
bjsniderarielCo, i meant which ppas23:53
arielCowait - I'll pastebin my sources23:53
sebsebsebGNOME packages will block until libesd-alsa0 is binary NEWed and published. Hang tight.23:54
DanaGheh, tabbed windows with tabs inside... interesting.23:54
sebsebsebDanaG: For what?23:55
DanaGpidgin.  I have a window with (#cplug and #ubuntu+1) on one tab, and (#ati and #radeon) in the other.23:55
_Groo_DanaG: its the feature that got me sold for 4.4 :) i missed them since blackbox23:56
sebsebsebDanaG: uhmm cplug?  the brackets stuff?23:56
DanaGbrackets?23:56
DanaGno, Cal Poly Linux Users Group.23:56
sebsebsebah ha ok23:56
sebsebsebyou were on about channels23:56
_Groo_DanaG: since it works for everything (kwin takes care of that), i usually have chromium, akregator, kmail and konversation in one maximized window23:57
arielCosebsebseb: http://pastebin.com/m76c05ec623:57
bjsniderDanaG, how many people are in that group?23:57
DanaGThe group varies in size from year to year and quarter to quarter, but it's at least a "handful".23:58
sebsebsebOn the subject of browsers, but off topic really for here,  a message from Microsoft saying about browsers that are available as alternatives to Internet Explorer is coming.23:58
bjsniderarielCo, before you upgrade, refresh again because i just published a new mplayer that fixes that annoying fontconfig issue23:58
sebsebsebas a Windows update23:59
bjsniderDanaG, i'll bet you are that group's Tyler Durden23:59
_Groo_btw are you guys going to publish ffmpeg-mt, mplayer/mencoder-mt for lucid too?23:59
DanaGCan't say I know who that is.23:59
sebsebseb_Groo_: well that could help quite a bit with chromieum/chrome market share, and Firefox etc, so :)23:59

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