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hal9000kinda slow today i see00:01
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oorahi noticed the sensible-browser is faster than firefox and epiphany. where do i find the icon?01:43
djura-sanoorah, sensible-browser is script for starting default browser on pc01:44
djura-san;)01:44
oorahdjura-san, i thought its a browser. its not?01:44
djura-sannope01:45
djura-sanits a script01:45
djura-sanjust a sec01:46
djura-sanhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55248101:46
djura-saninfo about it01:46
djura-san;)01:46
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berrybarrywill xfce would on a 486 laptop?02:22
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^Phantom^Hi :D03:03
^Phantom^Does xubuntu use grub too?  I want do dual-boot it with Windows on this machine.03:04
^Phantom^I just got done defragmenting the disk.03:05
^Phantom^is 10~12 GB plenty for xubuntu to run well on?03:06
^Phantom^Can I please get some guidance through the installation process once I am ready to install?03:07
cody-somerville^Phantom^, sure03:09
cody-somerville^Phantom^, and yes, Xubuntu uses grub03:10
^Phantom^cody-somerville: sweet03:10
^Phantom^Once the image is done downloading I'll burn it and be back under the live cd03:10
^Phantom^:D03:10
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^Phantom^cody-somerville: thank you03:37
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oorahthe default karmic theme rocks05:21
oorahbut whats up with the wallpaper? i think its kinda dull05:21
oorahanyone here?05:22
thevishywhy aint the theme changing without requiring to logout in Xubuntu ( on top of ubuntu)08:24
thevishyi installed xubuntu desktop08:24
thevishyany ideas08:25
thevishyguys08:25
thevishyhello08:32
thevishyplz08:32
Sysi!ask08:32
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)08:32
Sysithe last sentence :P08:33
thevishyhey guys ,  sad :)08:39
thevishyanyways its sleepy out here , so thought i'd flare up some discussion hehe08:39
thevishyis that same for you sysi , or does ur changes reflect immediately in the theme ? I use GTK theme changed08:40
Sysithis is helpchannel, for common chatting is -offtopic :)08:40
thevishychanger08:40
thevishyohh :P08:40
Sysithevishy: yes, it changes immediately/very soon08:40
thevishyokay08:41
thevishywhich theme would you recommend on Xubuntu08:55
_Techie_the defualt one09:03
thevishyokies09:22
_Techie_[AMSG] goodnight everyone10:30
Benkinoobyhi, in kopete, how can i turn on my webcam? i read, that there sould be icons in the conversation window (source: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+question/7589 ) but i don't have. my web cam is working, i can use it with skype all right, and also in kopete i can see a nice picture of my slef, when i go settings -> wecam. any ideas?11:49
knomeBenkinooby, probably asking #kubuntu or #kde would bring better results, as kopete is a kde application11:50
knomeBenkinooby, or even #kopete11:50
Benkinoobyknome: is asked there too, but no response... i noticed, that maynproblemes are very similar for all the *buntus... but yes, you are right.. i will go to your suggestet channels thank you11:51
knomenp. good luck11:53
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retour_eucody-somerville: may I waste some of your weekend with my X11 problem?15:00
* likemindead would just like to point out how flipping awesome Xubuntu is.17:22
nwadawgthat it is17:23
djura-santrue17:23
djura-san!17:23
likemindeadAnyone else using the Google Chrome browser (not the Chromium one)? I'm loving it.17:24
djura-santhere are bugs right now17:25
nwadawgno,I'm using ff3.717:25
djura-sanit crashes all the time at my pc17:25
nwadawgonly problem I've so far with xubuntu is xfce-mixer throwing errors in .xsession-errors, swapped it out for alsamixergui , everything working great now17:30
likemindeadBummer, djura-san. I'm using Chrome on three different machines (two Xubuntu, one CrunchBang) with no problems at all.17:31
retour_euwell I have more problems with xubuntu and one of them probably caused by gdm17:31
nwadawglikemindead: you got link for chrome?17:33
likemindeadhttp://www.google.com/chrome17:33
floatingany tips, I got my canon powershot 550 inserted via usb, lsusb recognizes it, but sudo fdisk -l doesn't. I cannot operate the camera screen itself, it shows the first picture and is frozen there18:14
vikI have a PC with 2.4 processor and 256Ram and 40GB hd. will xubuntu run on that?19:28
knomevik, yes, but it might be a bit slow19:28
vikknome, thanks. What is "a bit slow", do you mean certain apps, or the whole system?19:29
knomethe whole system19:29
vikWhat distro could you suggest for that machine?19:31
retour_euput more RAM and NP with slow19:38
retour_euis it maybe a Dell?19:38
retour_euGX280?19:38
knomevik, will, 256 is quite a little RAM in the first place.19:39
knome*well19:40
retour_euI'm running successfully Xubuntu 8.04 on PIII-550MHz 512MB RAM 2x30GB HDD Nvidia 440MX. You can't game on it and forget about Youtube in HD but except that excellent machine for daily use incl photoediting etc19:41
vikthanks for your answers19:47
oorahi just removed firefox because I use epiphany as default browser and now links in Thunderbird won't open the browser. is this normal?20:44
charlie-tcaYou have to set epiphany as the default browser in Thunderbird20:45
oorahthats what i was just thinking after i said that lol sorry.20:45
charlie-tcaAlso, go to Applications -> Settings -> Preferred Applications and set it to epiphany.20:46
oorahcharlie-tca, i already have it set as default browser, how do i set it for Thunderbird?20:48
charlie-tcaI don't know, I use claws-mail20:48
charlie-tcaI gave up Thunderbird about three years ago20:49
oorahreally? how come?20:49
charlie-tcatoo cumbersome20:49
ooraheither way its better than opening the browser and logging in every time lol20:49
charlie-tcaand too heavy for the system I used20:49
oorahcumbersome really?20:49
oorahi have a netbook and its just fine20:49
charlie-tcaclaws mail is not browser, it is fast and light20:50
oorahi know20:50
charlie-tcastand-alone20:50
oorahi meant either one is better than logging in everytime20:50
charlie-tcaTrue20:50
charlie-tcaIt's just the 400mhz cpu and 256mb ram needed something light20:51
oorahthe current theme is the best ever for xubuntu. i wonder who chose the wallpaper though?20:51
oorahouch lol20:51
oorahi see20:51
charlie-tcaI wasn't involved much for 9.1020:51
knomeoorah, hmm? what's wrong with the wallpaper?20:51
oorahthe default one, its kinda plain20:51
knomeisn't xubuntu kinda plain?20:51
charlie-tcaplain? not anymore so than 9.04 was?20:52
knomeyeah, the wallpaper for 9.04 was even more plain20:52
oorahi'm using the one called xubuntu-jmak-ws-png20:53
_Techie_!mplayer20:55
ubottumplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs20:55
knomewhat's more plain in the 9.10 default than jmak-ws?20:55
_Techie_!mencoder20:55
knome_Techie_, you can search ubottu in PM20:56
charlie-tcaI thought 910 was a real nice background20:57
oorahcharlie-tca, which wallpaper you use?20:57
charlie-tcadefault20:57
_Techie_sorry knome didnt know it responded in PM20:57
knome_Techie_, np :)20:57
charlie-tcaunless it gets too dark, then I go plain blue20:58
oorahdoes xfce have a default web browser?20:58
charlie-tcafirefox20:58
charlie-tcaoh, yes, ...20:58
knomecharlie-tca, has it gone too dark? is this about specific occasions or specific monitors?20:58
oorahis there a way to change default browser for links in thunderbird?20:58
charlie-tcamonitor20:58
knomecharlie-tca, suppose some crt's?20:59
charlie-tcaI got a cheap lcd here that does it sometimes20:59
knomeoh. which brand/model?20:59
charlie-tcaHelp, what is the browser for xfce?20:59
charlie-tcaenvision20:59
knomemidori is the "xfce" browser21:00
charlie-tcaThat's it21:00
knomecharlie-tca, do you have the specific model number?21:00
oorahmaybe i'll give midori a try. is it faster than epiphany or firefox?21:00
knome(suppose you do...)21:00
knomeoorah, yes, but it's not stable21:00
knomeoorah, gmail killed midori the last time i tested it21:01
charlie-tcaknome, Envision G19LWk21:01
knomecharlie-tca, thanks! i'll check the specs out21:01
oorahknome, oh ok thanks21:01
charlie-tcaThey told me it was stable, but I killed it too21:01
oorahknome, does it have flash and java plugins?21:01
knomecharlie-tca, doesn't it do?21:01
charlie-tcaIt works, it just doesn't have brightness controll on dvi21:02
charlie-tcaoorah, I don't think it does21:02
knomecharlie-tca, i was referring to midori/java+flash21:02
charlie-tcaoh21:02
knomecharlie-tca, what bout vga?21:02
oorahoh ok thanks21:03
knomei wonder if it's about the contrast ratio or brightness21:03
charlie-tcaYes, but they don't do much. It is actually brighter than the 22 inch I am using, yet the screen looks darker on it21:03
knomeright21:03
knomei guess it's the contrast21:03
charlie-tcaIf I try to adjust the contrast, it washes out21:04
knomeno, i mean the display specification21:04
knomethe contrast ratio you can't change21:04
knomewithout changing HW21:04
knome:)21:04
knomeit's only 800:1 in the envision monitor21:04
charlie-tcathat sounds right21:05
knomewhile my dell's are 3000:121:05
charlie-tcaoh21:05
knome(to compare to *SOMETHING*)21:05
charlie-tcano wonder things look wrong to me21:05
knomewell, no wonder people always whine they can't see a thing ;)21:05
charlie-tcahehe21:05
charlie-tcait matters?21:06
knome"is that a different color" / "is there something else than a solid background"21:06
knomeyeah, i suppose it does matter, a lot21:06
charlie-tcaI paid a lot of money, too21:06
charlie-tca:-)21:06
knomeoh?21:06
knomehmm21:06
knomewhat's "a lot" ?21:06
charlie-tcaI think I paid the same for both monitors here.21:06
knomeit might also be about brightness, envision is 300cd/m2, dell is 400cd/m221:06
charlie-tca200 american dollars21:06
knomeoh21:06
knomewell...21:06
knomeuhm21:07
knomehow do i say this21:07
charlie-tcaAcer 22 inch21:07
knomei paid 550 euros21:07
charlie-tcaI know21:07
knomeper monitor21:07
knome:)21:07
knomeyeah21:07
charlie-tcaDid I say I have a cheap lcd here21:07
knomehehe21:07
knomeso that one comment was sarcasm? :P21:07
knomei wonder what my laptop display specs say...21:08
charlie-tcaI pay more the motherboard than for the lcd21:08
charlie-tcaand then I have to buy a cpu, too21:08
knomeoh really:P21:09
charlie-tcaI was looking at a 100 dollar power supply, and I don't even think it has the cables included, but the lcd screen seems expensive to me :-)21:10
oorahmidori has flahs and java by default21:10
charlie-tcaI guess it is priorities, huh21:10
knomecharlie-tca, a replacement PSU for my dead one would cost me 140 euros.21:10
knome:/21:10
knomeit is priorities, totally.21:11
charlie-tca:-(21:11
knomeone could guess monitors mean quite a lot for me :)21:11
charlie-tcayeah21:11
knomecharlie-tca, well, i decided to order completely new parts for 600+ euros21:11
knomecharlie-tca, ...and probably will someday buy the PSU as well21:11
charlie-tcafor the power supply?21:11
knomeno, a new barebone, psu, memory, cpu, motherboard21:12
charlie-tcaoh21:12
charlie-tcaThat sounds better21:12
knomeyeah.21:12
charlie-tcaI did that two years ago21:12
knomewell, i did that too many years ago, so it was kind of time to do that21:12
charlie-tcaI may have to do that again soon21:13
knomebut it was still a bit unexpected21:13
charlie-tcaI lost two ata hard drives fighting with that server this week21:13
charlie-tcathey are getting harder to find now21:13
knome:(21:13
charlie-tcaeverything is sata21:13
knomeyeah.21:14
knomebetter to buy a completely new pc :P21:14
charlie-tcaI got 4 systems using pata21:14
charlie-tcablew two up21:14
knomewow21:14
charlie-tcaWell, the one I threw across the room I guess was my fault21:14
_Techie_charlie-tca, there are SATA to PATA converters21:14
charlie-tcaI guess I should get some21:15
_Techie_ive got one sitting next to me, dont ahve any current use for it as i dont have any extra hard drives of moderate size21:15
_Techie_the biggest spare drive i have is 40gig21:15
charlie-tcaYeah, that was a 200gb I threw21:16
charlie-tcaoh, well21:16
charlie-tcathis 20 here just ain't big enough21:16
retourThere is a serious error in Xubuntu (casues all errors I reported before). Installation of Ubuntu is free of it21:24
oorahmidori got 100/100 on acid3 test. i like this browser so far21:34
oorahwhat happened to the chat? lol22:01
charlie-tcahuh? I think I went away and came back22:02
oorahi noticed with xfce i can open lots of apps at the same time smoothly, not the same with gnome. i wonder why xfce isn't the flagship DE yet22:04
charlie-tcaIt won't be, either. Xfce was not far enough advanced when Mr. Shuttleworth started Ubuntu. That is why he started with Gnome and KDE desktop environments.22:05
charlie-tcathey were the two environments that were stable enough for the general public to use at the time.22:06
knomein the following years, kde and gnome are going somewhere else than the traditional dekstop22:06
oorahits not advanced enough huh?22:06
charlie-tcaXubuntu started in 2006, and was the first distrobution to use Xfce as a desktop22:07
knomedistribution ;d22:07
charlie-tcaXfce has come a very long way in a short time22:07
charlie-tcaknome, you know I don't think I have ever gotten that word spelled right yet22:08
knomecharlie-tca, hehe, np ;)22:08
oorahare gnome and kde really much more advanced? speed should be weighted in also. LXDE is another good one22:12
oorahoh and i pronounce gnome the improber way, nome lol22:13
PenguinoHehe22:13
oorahimproper*22:13
Penguinog-nome22:13
PenguinoBut it's ok22:13
PenguinoUhhh22:13
oorahi know, i just rather say nome22:13
PenguinoI've had some little problems with XFCE but they're minimal22:13
knomeoorah, how would you pronounce knome then :P22:13
charlie-tcaoorah, read that again. When Ubuntu started in 2004, Gnome and KDE were advanced very far ahead of the startup Xfce22:13
oorahkuh-nome i guess22:13
PenguinoFor example, Num Lock doesn't boot22:13
charlie-tcaXfce did not find itself in a major distribution until 2006, when Xubuntu came into being22:14
PenguinoYup22:14
retourXubuntu 9.10 has some problems - Install Ubuntu and than XFCE if you want to use it22:14
PenguinoI think KDE is a little bit more advanced22:14
PenguinoBut it's too bloaty22:14
PenguinoI mean22:14
knomeoorah, kuh? :D22:14
retourKDE is resources hog22:14
PenguinoXFCE is totally funcional22:15
Penguinoretour: yup22:15
charlie-tcaretour: I haven't had any problems with Xubuntu 9.1022:15
PenguinoXFCE works fine and looks nice22:15
oorahguh-nome, kuh-nome, same with gnome with the g i'm guessing. how do you say it knome ?22:15
PenguinoI still keep the default theme22:15
PenguinoAlbatross, it's pretty neat :)22:15
nwadawgXfce runs great for me22:15
PenguinoYup22:15
oorahgreat theme, but had to differ on the wallpaper22:15
PenguinoSure22:16
charlie-tcaPenguino: You can install numlockx and it will solve the numlock issue22:16
PenguinoWallpaper just... uh... I don't like it22:16
Penguinocharlie-tca: Man, you're great, many thanks22:16
charlie-tcaYou are welcome22:16
retourI wasted 3 days and nobody could come up with a solution. But it's gone now install Ubuntu 9.10 + all updates and after that whatever you want XFCE, fluxbox etc and log into it22:16
oorahi have jmak wallpaper up on mine22:17
charlie-tcaI'm glad you got it working them, retour22:17
charlie-tcaIt's nice that there is something for everyone22:17
oorahjmak is amazing :D22:18
knomeoorah, that's really hard to explain. k like the k in "kill"/"kudos", "no" like the no in "anonymous" and "me" like the me in "methane"22:18
PenguinoXFCE is perfect. It's the perfect lightweight DE.22:18
charlie-tcaAll of the are folks are amazing22:18
PenguinoLXDE is NOT a DE imo22:18
PenguinoJust a pimped openbox with preinstalled apps22:18
PenguinoI haven't even noticed a power manager on LXDE22:18
oorahPenguino, whats wrong with lxde?22:18
oorahi removed power manager a long time ago22:19
PenguinoI don't like it22:19
PenguinoIt's TOO lightweight22:19
charlie-tcaLXDE is still in development stages on a lot of it22:19
PenguinoYeah, that's true22:19
charlie-tcagive it time to mature and it will be good22:19
PenguinoBut it's just a windows manager22:19
Penguinocharlie-tca: I hope so22:19
PenguinoI want a real DE, not just a window manager22:19
retourok why acroread is not in repos?22:20
PenguinoWhen LXDE turns into a real DE, it's going to be great22:20
charlie-tcaBecause of its license, retour22:20
charlie-tcaYou have to get it from acrobat22:20
charlie-tcaAdobe won't gpl it22:21
PenguinoHeh22:21
retourOK although strange as it was there for so long22:21
Penguinoevince is good enough for me22:21
oorahi removed power manager soon after installing karmic and discovered the brightness flickering problem22:21
charlie-tcaIt was never in the repositories, it might be in medibuntu, though22:21
retouryeah but Evincehad some issues with fillable forms - is it fixed now?22:21
retourespecially with more strict govt documents22:22
charlie-tcaI don't know about that22:22
retourYeah but I just installed medibuntu and I'm sure it works since finished installation of DVD and w32 codecs22:23
oorahhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks check out these crazy bugs, scroll down to msi wind u100 i implemented my own workarounds22:23
charlie-tcahey, nothing is perfect. It is just that open source lets you see the imperfections, while closed source refuses to let you see them22:24
oorahi know but i use workarounds to get around these problems, so everything is spiffy now22:24
charlie-tca:-)22:25
charlie-tcawell, gotta go now. Have fun22:26
oorahlater22:27
oorahknome, you're one of the developers right?22:28
knomeoorah, yes.22:29
oorahknome, have you made any wallpapers?22:29
knomeoorah, yes, i've made the artwork for jaunty and karmic22:30
oorahknome, did you make jmak? i think more like that would be awesome :D22:32
knomeoorah, no, jmak means joszef mak, who was the previous artwork guy22:32
oorahknome, which ones did you make?22:32
knomeoorah, i'm always open for feedback, but so far people have liked the new artwork more than the previous22:33
knomeoorah, xubuntu-jaunty and xubuntu-karmic22:33
oorahthere are lots to choose from pre installed thats great22:33
oorahi'm gonna test out the current alpha and see if i discover any bugs to report for yall22:34
oorahthats about the only way i can help22:36
oorahwhat ideas do ya got for Lucid?22:39
oorahhope ya don't mind talkin about development stuff22:39
oorahwhere did everyone go?22:42
oorahknome, you there?22:43
knomeoorah, yup. i'm here22:43
knomeoorah, development stuff rather in #xubuntu-devel22:44
knomebut for lucid, we're just going to make the release as stable as possible, as lucid is LTS22:44
oorahoh thats great. i've always thought stability as more important than new features, especially because there is so much different types of hardware22:45
oorahknome, i didn't intend to sound critical, just stating preferences/suggestions22:56
oorahbtw the new theme blows gnome and kde default out of the water :)22:56
knomeheh, np. people have different tastes and that's a good thing :)23:01
RigormortisHello, I am having trouble installing Xubuntu 9.10 (alternate) from a usb-flash drive. Basically, I get to the "Select and install software" step and setup fails.  The log file mentions that firefox-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-all have unmet dependencies (firefox-3.5-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-ati, respectively). Does anyone have any suggestions?23:33
oorahRigormortis, have you tried default install?23:35
RigormortisYou mean from the LiveCD?23:35
RigormortisIf so, yes. The installer wouldn't launch. I would get a message that ubiquity crashed. I checked the log there and noticed there were a few warnings that the system was out of memory.23:37
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