[00:01] <hal9000> kinda slow today i see
[01:43] <oorah> i noticed the sensible-browser is faster than firefox and epiphany. where do i find the icon?
[01:44] <djura-san> oorah, sensible-browser is script for starting default browser on pc
[01:44] <djura-san> ;)
[01:44] <oorah> djura-san, i thought its a browser. its not?
[01:45] <djura-san> nope
[01:45] <djura-san> its a script
[01:46] <djura-san> just a sec
[01:46] <djura-san> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552481
[01:46] <djura-san> info about it
[01:46] <djura-san> ;)
[02:22] <berrybarry> will xfce would on a 486 laptop?
[03:03] <^Phantom^> Hi :D
[03:04] <^Phantom^> Does xubuntu use grub too?  I want do dual-boot it with Windows on this machine.
[03:05] <^Phantom^> I just got done defragmenting the disk.
[03:06] <^Phantom^> is 10~12 GB plenty for xubuntu to run well on?
[03:07] <^Phantom^> Can I please get some guidance through the installation process once I am ready to install?
[03:09] <cody-somerville> ^Phantom^, sure
[03:10] <cody-somerville> ^Phantom^, and yes, Xubuntu uses grub
[03:10] <^Phantom^> cody-somerville: sweet
[03:10] <^Phantom^> Once the image is done downloading I'll burn it and be back under the live cd
[03:10] <^Phantom^> :D
[03:37] <^Phantom^> cody-somerville: thank you
[05:21] <oorah> the default karmic theme rocks
[05:21] <oorah> but whats up with the wallpaper? i think its kinda dull
[05:22] <oorah> anyone here?
[08:24] <thevishy> why aint the theme changing without requiring to logout in Xubuntu ( on top of ubuntu)
[08:24] <thevishy> i installed xubuntu desktop
[08:25] <thevishy> any ideas
[08:25] <thevishy> guys
[08:32] <thevishy> hello
[08:32] <thevishy> plz
[08:32] <Sysi> !ask
[08:33] <Sysi> the last sentence :P
[08:39] <thevishy> hey guys ,  sad :)
[08:39] <thevishy> anyways its sleepy out here , so thought i'd flare up some discussion hehe
[08:40] <thevishy> is that same for you sysi , or does ur changes reflect immediately in the theme ? I use GTK theme changed
[08:40] <Sysi> this is helpchannel, for common chatting is -offtopic :)
[08:40] <thevishy> changer
[08:40] <thevishy> ohh :P
[08:40] <Sysi> thevishy: yes, it changes immediately/very soon
[08:41] <thevishy> okay
[08:55] <thevishy> which theme would you recommend on Xubuntu
[09:03] <_Techie_> the defualt one
[09:22] <thevishy> okies
[10:30] <_Techie_> [AMSG] goodnight everyone
[11:49] <Benkinooby> hi, in kopete, how can i turn on my webcam? i read, that there sould be icons in the conversation window (source: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+question/7589 ) but i don't have. my web cam is working, i can use it with skype all right, and also in kopete i can see a nice picture of my slef, when i go settings -> wecam. any ideas?
[11:50] <knome> Benkinooby, probably asking #kubuntu or #kde would bring better results, as kopete is a kde application
[11:50] <knome> Benkinooby, or even #kopete
[11:51] <Benkinooby> knome: is asked there too, but no response... i noticed, that maynproblemes are very similar for all the *buntus... but yes, you are right.. i will go to your suggestet channels thank you
[11:53] <knome> np. good luck
[15:00] <retour_eu> cody-somerville: may I waste some of your weekend with my X11 problem?
[17:22]  * likemindead would just like to point out how flipping awesome Xubuntu is.
[17:23] <nwadawg> that it is
[17:23] <djura-san> true
[17:23] <djura-san> !
[17:24] <likemindead> Anyone else using the Google Chrome browser (not the Chromium one)? I'm loving it.
[17:25] <djura-san> there are bugs right now
[17:25] <nwadawg> no,I'm using ff3.7
[17:25] <djura-san> it crashes all the time at my pc
[17:30] <nwadawg> only problem I've so far with xubuntu is xfce-mixer throwing errors in .xsession-errors, swapped it out for alsamixergui , everything working great now
[17:31] <likemindead> Bummer, djura-san. I'm using Chrome on three different machines (two Xubuntu, one CrunchBang) with no problems at all.
[17:31] <retour_eu> well I have more problems with xubuntu and one of them probably caused by gdm
[17:33] <nwadawg> likemindead: you got link for chrome?
[17:33] <likemindead> http://www.google.com/chrome
[18:14] <floating> any tips, I got my canon powershot 550 inserted via usb, lsusb recognizes it, but sudo fdisk -l doesn't. I cannot operate the camera screen itself, it shows the first picture and is frozen there
[19:28] <vik> I have a PC with 2.4 processor and 256Ram and 40GB hd. will xubuntu run on that?
[19:28] <knome> vik, yes, but it might be a bit slow
[19:29] <vik> knome, thanks. What is "a bit slow", do you mean certain apps, or the whole system?
[19:29] <knome> the whole system
[19:31] <vik> What distro could you suggest for that machine?
[19:38] <retour_eu> put more RAM and NP with slow
[19:38] <retour_eu> is it maybe a Dell?
[19:38] <retour_eu> GX280?
[19:39] <knome> vik, will, 256 is quite a little RAM in the first place.
[19:40] <knome> *well
[19:41] <retour_eu> I'm running successfully Xubuntu 8.04 on PIII-550MHz 512MB RAM 2x30GB HDD Nvidia 440MX. You can't game on it and forget about Youtube in HD but except that excellent machine for daily use incl photoediting etc
[19:47] <vik> thanks for your answers
[20:44] <oorah> i just removed firefox because I use epiphany as default browser and now links in Thunderbird won't open the browser. is this normal?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> You have to set epiphany as the default browser in Thunderbird
[20:45] <oorah> thats what i was just thinking after i said that lol sorry.
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Also, go to Applications -> Settings -> Preferred Applications and set it to epiphany.
[20:48] <oorah> charlie-tca, i already have it set as default browser, how do i set it for Thunderbird?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I use claws-mail
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I gave up Thunderbird about three years ago
[20:49] <oorah> really? how come?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> too cumbersome
[20:49] <oorah> either way its better than opening the browser and logging in every time lol
[20:49] <charlie-tca> and too heavy for the system I used
[20:49] <oorah> cumbersome really?
[20:49] <oorah> i have a netbook and its just fine
[20:50] <charlie-tca> claws mail is not browser, it is fast and light
[20:50] <oorah> i know
[20:50] <charlie-tca> stand-alone
[20:50] <oorah> i meant either one is better than logging in everytime
[20:50] <charlie-tca> True
[20:51] <charlie-tca> It's just the 400mhz cpu and 256mb ram needed something light
[20:51] <oorah> the current theme is the best ever for xubuntu. i wonder who chose the wallpaper though?
[20:51] <oorah> ouch lol
[20:51] <oorah> i see
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I wasn't involved much for 9.10
[20:51] <knome> oorah, hmm? what's wrong with the wallpaper?
[20:51] <oorah> the default one, its kinda plain
[20:51] <knome> isn't xubuntu kinda plain?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> plain? not anymore so than 9.04 was?
[20:52] <knome> yeah, the wallpaper for 9.04 was even more plain
[20:53] <oorah> i'm using the one called xubuntu-jmak-ws-png
[20:55] <_Techie_> !mplayer
[20:55] <knome> what's more plain in the 9.10 default than jmak-ws?
[20:55] <_Techie_> !mencoder
[20:56] <knome> _Techie_, you can search ubottu in PM
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I thought 910 was a real nice background
[20:57] <oorah> charlie-tca, which wallpaper you use?
[20:57] <charlie-tca> default
[20:57] <_Techie_> sorry knome didnt know it responded in PM
[20:57] <knome> _Techie_, np :)
[20:58] <charlie-tca> unless it gets too dark, then I go plain blue
[20:58] <oorah> does xfce have a default web browser?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> firefox
[20:58] <charlie-tca> oh, yes, ...
[20:58] <knome> charlie-tca, has it gone too dark? is this about specific occasions or specific monitors?
[20:58] <oorah> is there a way to change default browser for links in thunderbird?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> monitor
[20:59] <knome> charlie-tca, suppose some crt's?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I got a cheap lcd here that does it sometimes
[20:59] <knome> oh. which brand/model?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Help, what is the browser for xfce?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> envision
[21:00] <knome> midori is the "xfce" browser
[21:00] <charlie-tca> That's it
[21:00] <knome> charlie-tca, do you have the specific model number?
[21:00] <oorah> maybe i'll give midori a try. is it faster than epiphany or firefox?
[21:00] <knome> (suppose you do...)
[21:00] <knome> oorah, yes, but it's not stable
[21:01] <knome> oorah, gmail killed midori the last time i tested it
[21:01] <charlie-tca> knome, Envision G19LWk
[21:01] <knome> charlie-tca, thanks! i'll check the specs out
[21:01] <oorah> knome, oh ok thanks
[21:01] <charlie-tca> They told me it was stable, but I killed it too
[21:01] <oorah> knome, does it have flash and java plugins?
[21:01] <knome> charlie-tca, doesn't it do?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> It works, it just doesn't have brightness controll on dvi
[21:02] <charlie-tca> oorah, I don't think it does
[21:02] <knome> charlie-tca, i was referring to midori/java+flash
[21:02] <charlie-tca> oh
[21:02] <knome> charlie-tca, what bout vga?
[21:03] <oorah> oh ok thanks
[21:03] <knome> i wonder if it's about the contrast ratio or brightness
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Yes, but they don't do much. It is actually brighter than the 22 inch I am using, yet the screen looks darker on it
[21:03] <knome> right
[21:03] <knome> i guess it's the contrast
[21:04] <charlie-tca> If I try to adjust the contrast, it washes out
[21:04] <knome> no, i mean the display specification
[21:04] <knome> the contrast ratio you can't change
[21:04] <knome> without changing HW
[21:04] <knome> :)
[21:04] <knome> it's only 800:1 in the envision monitor
[21:05] <charlie-tca> that sounds right
[21:05] <knome> while my dell's are 3000:1
[21:05] <charlie-tca> oh
[21:05] <knome> (to compare to *SOMETHING*)
[21:05] <charlie-tca> no wonder things look wrong to me
[21:05] <knome> well, no wonder people always whine they can't see a thing ;)
[21:05] <charlie-tca> hehe
[21:06] <charlie-tca> it matters?
[21:06] <knome> "is that a different color" / "is there something else than a solid background"
[21:06] <knome> yeah, i suppose it does matter, a lot
[21:06] <charlie-tca> I paid a lot of money, too
[21:06] <charlie-tca> :-)
[21:06] <knome> oh?
[21:06] <knome> hmm
[21:06] <knome> what's "a lot" ?
[21:06] <charlie-tca> I think I paid the same for both monitors here.
[21:06] <knome> it might also be about brightness, envision is 300cd/m2, dell is 400cd/m2
[21:06] <charlie-tca> 200 american dollars
[21:06] <knome> oh
[21:06] <knome> well...
[21:07] <knome> uhm
[21:07] <knome> how do i say this
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Acer 22 inch
[21:07] <knome> i paid 550 euros
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I know
[21:07] <knome> per monitor
[21:07] <knome> :)
[21:07] <knome> yeah
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Did I say I have a cheap lcd here
[21:07] <knome> hehe
[21:07] <knome> so that one comment was sarcasm? :P
[21:08] <knome> i wonder what my laptop display specs say...
[21:08] <charlie-tca> I pay more the motherboard than for the lcd
[21:08] <charlie-tca> and then I have to buy a cpu, too
[21:09] <knome> oh really:P
[21:10] <charlie-tca> I was looking at a 100 dollar power supply, and I don't even think it has the cables included, but the lcd screen seems expensive to me :-)
[21:10] <oorah> midori has flahs and java by default
[21:10] <charlie-tca> I guess it is priorities, huh
[21:10] <knome> charlie-tca, a replacement PSU for my dead one would cost me 140 euros.
[21:10] <knome> :/
[21:11] <knome> it is priorities, totally.
[21:11] <charlie-tca> :-(
[21:11] <knome> one could guess monitors mean quite a lot for me :)
[21:11] <charlie-tca> yeah
[21:11] <knome> charlie-tca, well, i decided to order completely new parts for 600+ euros
[21:11] <knome> charlie-tca, ...and probably will someday buy the PSU as well
[21:11] <charlie-tca> for the power supply?
[21:12] <knome> no, a new barebone, psu, memory, cpu, motherboard
[21:12] <charlie-tca> oh
[21:12] <charlie-tca> That sounds better
[21:12] <knome> yeah.
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I did that two years ago
[21:12] <knome> well, i did that too many years ago, so it was kind of time to do that
[21:13] <charlie-tca> I may have to do that again soon
[21:13] <knome> but it was still a bit unexpected
[21:13] <charlie-tca> I lost two ata hard drives fighting with that server this week
[21:13] <charlie-tca> they are getting harder to find now
[21:13] <knome> :(
[21:13] <charlie-tca> everything is sata
[21:14] <knome> yeah.
[21:14] <knome> better to buy a completely new pc :P
[21:14] <charlie-tca> I got 4 systems using pata
[21:14] <charlie-tca> blew two up
[21:14] <knome> wow
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Well, the one I threw across the room I guess was my fault
[21:14] <_Techie_> charlie-tca, there are SATA to PATA converters
[21:15] <charlie-tca> I guess I should get some
[21:15] <_Techie_> ive got one sitting next to me, dont ahve any current use for it as i dont have any extra hard drives of moderate size
[21:15] <_Techie_> the biggest spare drive i have is 40gig
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that was a 200gb I threw
[21:16] <charlie-tca> oh, well
[21:16] <charlie-tca> this 20 here just ain't big enough
[21:24] <retour> There is a serious error in Xubuntu (casues all errors I reported before). Installation of Ubuntu is free of it
[21:34] <oorah> midori got 100/100 on acid3 test. i like this browser so far
[22:01] <oorah> what happened to the chat? lol
[22:02] <charlie-tca> huh? I think I went away and came back
[22:04] <oorah> i noticed with xfce i can open lots of apps at the same time smoothly, not the same with gnome. i wonder why xfce isn't the flagship DE yet
[22:05] <charlie-tca> It won't be, either. Xfce was not far enough advanced when Mr. Shuttleworth started Ubuntu. That is why he started with Gnome and KDE desktop environments.
[22:06] <charlie-tca> they were the two environments that were stable enough for the general public to use at the time.
[22:06] <knome> in the following years, kde and gnome are going somewhere else than the traditional dekstop
[22:06] <oorah> its not advanced enough huh?
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu started in 2006, and was the first distrobution to use Xfce as a desktop
[22:07] <knome> distribution ;d
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Xfce has come a very long way in a short time
[22:08] <charlie-tca> knome, you know I don't think I have ever gotten that word spelled right yet
[22:08] <knome> charlie-tca, hehe, np ;)
[22:12] <oorah> are gnome and kde really much more advanced? speed should be weighted in also. LXDE is another good one
[22:13] <oorah> oh and i pronounce gnome the improber way, nome lol
[22:13] <Penguino> Hehe
[22:13] <oorah> improper*
[22:13] <Penguino> g-nome
[22:13] <Penguino> But it's ok
[22:13] <Penguino> Uhhh
[22:13] <oorah> i know, i just rather say nome
[22:13] <Penguino> I've had some little problems with XFCE but they're minimal
[22:13] <knome> oorah, how would you pronounce knome then :P
[22:13] <charlie-tca> oorah, read that again. When Ubuntu started in 2004, Gnome and KDE were advanced very far ahead of the startup Xfce
[22:13] <oorah> kuh-nome i guess
[22:13] <Penguino> For example, Num Lock doesn't boot
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Xfce did not find itself in a major distribution until 2006, when Xubuntu came into being
[22:14] <Penguino> Yup
[22:14] <retour> Xubuntu 9.10 has some problems - Install Ubuntu and than XFCE if you want to use it
[22:14] <Penguino> I think KDE is a little bit more advanced
[22:14] <Penguino> But it's too bloaty
[22:14] <Penguino> I mean
[22:14] <knome> oorah, kuh? :D
[22:14] <retour> KDE is resources hog
[22:15] <Penguino> XFCE is totally funcional
[22:15] <Penguino> retour: yup
[22:15] <charlie-tca> retour: I haven't had any problems with Xubuntu 9.10
[22:15] <Penguino> XFCE works fine and looks nice
[22:15] <oorah> guh-nome, kuh-nome, same with gnome with the g i'm guessing. how do you say it knome ?
[22:15] <Penguino> I still keep the default theme
[22:15] <Penguino> Albatross, it's pretty neat :)
[22:15] <nwadawg> Xfce runs great for me
[22:15] <Penguino> Yup
[22:15] <oorah> great theme, but had to differ on the wallpaper
[22:16] <Penguino> Sure
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Penguino: You can install numlockx and it will solve the numlock issue
[22:16] <Penguino> Wallpaper just... uh... I don't like it
[22:16] <Penguino> charlie-tca: Man, you're great, many thanks
[22:16] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:16] <retour> I wasted 3 days and nobody could come up with a solution. But it's gone now install Ubuntu 9.10 + all updates and after that whatever you want XFCE, fluxbox etc and log into it
[22:17] <oorah> i have jmak wallpaper up on mine
[22:17] <charlie-tca> I'm glad you got it working them, retour
[22:17] <charlie-tca> It's nice that there is something for everyone
[22:18] <oorah> jmak is amazing :D
[22:18] <knome> oorah, that's really hard to explain. k like the k in "kill"/"kudos", "no" like the no in "anonymous" and "me" like the me in "methane"
[22:18] <Penguino> XFCE is perfect. It's the perfect lightweight DE.
[22:18] <charlie-tca> All of the are folks are amazing
[22:18] <Penguino> LXDE is NOT a DE imo
[22:18] <Penguino> Just a pimped openbox with preinstalled apps
[22:18] <Penguino> I haven't even noticed a power manager on LXDE
[22:18] <oorah> Penguino, whats wrong with lxde?
[22:19] <oorah> i removed power manager a long time ago
[22:19] <Penguino> I don't like it
[22:19] <Penguino> It's TOO lightweight
[22:19] <charlie-tca> LXDE is still in development stages on a lot of it
[22:19] <Penguino> Yeah, that's true
[22:19] <charlie-tca> give it time to mature and it will be good
[22:19] <Penguino> But it's just a windows manager
[22:19] <Penguino> charlie-tca: I hope so
[22:19] <Penguino> I want a real DE, not just a window manager
[22:20] <retour> ok why acroread is not in repos?
[22:20] <Penguino> When LXDE turns into a real DE, it's going to be great
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Because of its license, retour
[22:20] <charlie-tca> You have to get it from acrobat
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Adobe won't gpl it
[22:21] <Penguino> Heh
[22:21] <retour> OK although strange as it was there for so long
[22:21] <Penguino> evince is good enough for me
[22:21] <oorah> i removed power manager soon after installing karmic and discovered the brightness flickering problem
[22:21] <charlie-tca> It was never in the repositories, it might be in medibuntu, though
[22:21] <retour> yeah but Evincehad some issues with fillable forms - is it fixed now?
[22:22] <retour> especially with more strict govt documents
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know about that
[22:23] <retour> Yeah but I just installed medibuntu and I'm sure it works since finished installation of DVD and w32 codecs
[22:23] <oorah> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks check out these crazy bugs, scroll down to msi wind u100 i implemented my own workarounds
[22:24] <charlie-tca> hey, nothing is perfect. It is just that open source lets you see the imperfections, while closed source refuses to let you see them
[22:24] <oorah> i know but i use workarounds to get around these problems, so everything is spiffy now
[22:25] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:26] <charlie-tca> well, gotta go now. Have fun
[22:27] <oorah> later
[22:28] <oorah> knome, you're one of the developers right?
[22:29] <knome> oorah, yes.
[22:29] <oorah> knome, have you made any wallpapers?
[22:30] <knome> oorah, yes, i've made the artwork for jaunty and karmic
[22:32] <oorah> knome, did you make jmak? i think more like that would be awesome :D
[22:32] <knome> oorah, no, jmak means joszef mak, who was the previous artwork guy
[22:32] <oorah> knome, which ones did you make?
[22:33] <knome> oorah, i'm always open for feedback, but so far people have liked the new artwork more than the previous
[22:33] <knome> oorah, xubuntu-jaunty and xubuntu-karmic
[22:33] <oorah> there are lots to choose from pre installed thats great
[22:34] <oorah> i'm gonna test out the current alpha and see if i discover any bugs to report for yall
[22:36] <oorah> thats about the only way i can help
[22:39] <oorah> what ideas do ya got for Lucid?
[22:39] <oorah> hope ya don't mind talkin about development stuff
[22:42] <oorah> where did everyone go?
[22:43] <oorah> knome, you there?
[22:43] <knome> oorah, yup. i'm here
[22:44] <knome> oorah, development stuff rather in #xubuntu-devel
[22:44] <knome> but for lucid, we're just going to make the release as stable as possible, as lucid is LTS
[22:45] <oorah> oh thats great. i've always thought stability as more important than new features, especially because there is so much different types of hardware
[22:56] <oorah> knome, i didn't intend to sound critical, just stating preferences/suggestions
[22:56] <oorah> btw the new theme blows gnome and kde default out of the water :)
[23:01] <knome> heh, np. people have different tastes and that's a good thing :)
[23:33] <Rigormortis> Hello, I am having trouble installing Xubuntu 9.10 (alternate) from a usb-flash drive. Basically, I get to the "Select and install software" step and setup fails.  The log file mentions that firefox-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-all have unmet dependencies (firefox-3.5-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-ati, respectively). Does anyone have any suggestions?
[23:35] <oorah> Rigormortis, have you tried default install?
[23:35] <Rigormortis> You mean from the LiveCD?
[23:37] <Rigormortis> If so, yes. The installer wouldn't launch. I would get a message that ubiquity crashed. I checked the log there and noticed there were a few warnings that the system was out of memory.