[00:02] <yofel> quick question, didn't really follow the discussion: are we going to enable apport at all for lucid?
[00:02] <DaskreeCh> Yes
[00:03] <yofel> even crash reporting?
[00:05] <DaskreeCh> Yes
[00:05] <DaskreeCh> for apps made by kubuntu which are not intended to be upstreamed at this time
[00:05] <DaskreeCh> for everything else no apport
[00:05] <yofel> ah ok, makes sense, thx!
[00:25] <_Groo_> hum guys, another bug that i remembered, its there since jaunty at best
[00:26] <DaskreeCh> bug 1
[00:26] <_Groo_> kubuntu kde isnt recognizing the xscreensavers, probably because in the compilation, the path is wrong, i remembered kde needed to had a /usr/lib/xscreensaver by hand so it could see them
[00:27] <_Groo_> can someone check this?
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger is the xscreensaver expert; he'll save your screen
[00:28] <DaskreeCh> _Groo_: I installed the kde screensavers about 2 days ago. They turn up in the Screensavers section. I don't know what your definition of not recognizing them is though
[00:29] <_Groo_> DaskreeCh: no, not the kde screensavers, the XSCREENSAVER ones, the ones that stay in /usr/lib/sxreensaver, like the russian matrix one
[00:29] <DaskreeCh> nice whoever redid !kubuntu btw
[00:29] <_Groo_> DaskreeCh: just run xscreensaver and kde screensaver and compare
[00:29] <DaskreeCh> _Groo_: ah ok
[00:29] <DaskreeCh> Then yah they don't recognize it :)
[00:30] <_Groo_> DaskreeCh: its a missing include at compile time.. i noticed this the other day and forgot about it, its the same build process since the kde 3.x days lol, no one ever changed it...
[00:30] <_Groo_> DaskreeCh: soooo someone at kubuntu-devel (hint) should take a look at it ;)
[00:30] <ScottK> _Groo_: Does it need something in Universe to work (I have a vague recollection of this)?
[00:31] <DaskreeCh> _Groo_: file a bug on lp
[00:33] <_Groo_> ScottK: no it doesnt, it just needs to be pointed to the proper path at runtime, in tghe kde 3.x days i had to change the config file, probably now you need to add a dir path into cmakefile
[00:33] <_Groo_> ScottK: sorry compiletime not runtime
[00:33] <ScottK> Right.
[00:33] <ScottK> Odds of it getting fixed go WAY up if you can tell us what.
[00:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: can you grep the kscreensaver code (mainly cmakefiles) for lib/xscreensaver? its a hardcoded thing
[00:37] <ScottK> _Groo_: Not now.  Busy with $WORK.
[00:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: on a saturday? oO
[00:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: JontheEchidna: I suppose kubuntu can live a month or two without me?
[00:39] <ScottK> _Groo_: Yes.  Consultants work is never done.
[00:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please, not.
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: my half core-dev powas will help pull us through
[00:40] <apachelogger> thing is, I do not feel like being productive at all right now
[00:40] <_Groo_> ScottK: im a consultant too, and yes i work some saturdays but i dont that much since i become senior some years ago, plus my wife would kill me
[00:40] <apachelogger> hence I was considering going on vacation to get stuff in order again
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> better to take a break than burn yourself out, imo
[00:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Better to take a bit of a break than to burn out completely.
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JonathanThomas/CoreDevApplication <- feedback for this would be appreciated, before you leave :D
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> being half core-dev is no fun
[00:41] <apachelogger> well, I am not in danger of burn out, I just do not feel the force
[00:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: go get the package set fixed then :P
[00:41] <DaskreeCh> apachelogger: use the source to use the force!
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK says that they're not gonna change the package set
[00:42] <_Groo_> burn apachelogger burn!!
[00:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's one symptom of burnout
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> my core dev app will either a) make them update it or b) give me upload rights to all of ubuntu
[00:42] <ulysses__> All Timelord should regenerate from time to time
[00:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, then :)
[00:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: who are they anyway?
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> cjwatson
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> he's expressed reluctance
[00:43] <DaskreeCh> apachelogger: What are we going to do Nightrose and the apacheloggergroupietroupie?
[00:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if he wants me bitching away a storm of rants, then I suppose that is all good :P
[00:44]  * apachelogger pretty much thinks that kubuntu-devs have a pretty good idea of what should be uploadable by kubuntu-devs
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> As long as I can upload to the packages I work on, I'll be happy core-dev or not
[00:44] <apachelogger> that is the problem
[00:45] <apachelogger> since your work mostly focues on kubuntu and universe stuff you should be fine as motu+kubutu-dev
[00:45] <apachelogger> if that does not work out than oubviously the kubuntu set is incomplete
[00:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think this is just a bit of growing pains
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> If they see every kubuntu dood dev is applying for core-dev they may change the package set
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> this is a bit of pressure
[00:45] <ScottK> Exactly.
[00:45] <apachelogger> it also is if all of Kubuntu goes rant about them :P
[00:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: JontheEchidna is the first one, so he gets to blaze the trail.  Either they let him into core or expand the Kubuntu set.
[00:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: somehow that sounds like we count on them thinking that JontheEchidna would make such a bad core dev that they would rather expand the set?
[00:47] <apachelogger> maybe I am just interpreting too much again
[00:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, we count on the fact that he applies because he wants more Kubuntu stuff as strong evidence not enough stuff is in the Kubuntu set.
[00:47] <ScottK> Part of the point of the sets is to have fewer peopl with access to everything.
[00:48] <ScottK> If the sets are too small, this goal will not be achieved.
[00:48]  * JontheEchidna notes that kubuntu-dev has access to half of gnome
[00:48] <apachelogger> well
[00:48] <apachelogger> I am fine with applying to show them that the set is currently inappropriate
[00:48] <apachelogger> BUT
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> I'd be happy with universe + the packages listed here: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> multidistrotools seems based off seeds too, so I wonder why it has all the stuff that kubuntu-dev's packageset doesn't
[00:49] <apachelogger> if if JontheEchidna applies I just think that it is more than fair that they seriously consider him for core dev even if they choose to enhance the set
[00:50] <ScottK> Of course.
[00:53] <apachelogger> because really, once JontheEchidna applies they have little option to reject the application, either they throw out questions that clearly show he is not suited for core-dev which I find difficult to image considering the ninja resistence I saw at Quintasan's MOTU interview, or they just reject for $foobar reasons, which means that TB disagrees with kubuntu-dev hence rendiner the delegation itself meaningless, since clearly
[00:53] <apachelogger>  kubuntu-dev's decisions do not represent what is best
[00:54] <apachelogger> of course that is my personal opinion on that matter
[00:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I suppose you can just copy my endorsement from the kubuntu dev application
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> ok, I wasn't going to copy unless you said it was ok
[00:59] <apachelogger> I'll try to enhance it a bit tomorrowish (utc)
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> thx
[01:01]  * apachelogger thinks an endorsement on more than dev work is appropriate for core-dev, so it needs a bit of tweaking most likely
[01:03] <_Groo_> gotta go, seeya another day
[01:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: FYI, it looks like between slangasek and myself we might have Qt4 up on it's feet again on powerpc and IA64.
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> So once that's all sorted we should pay attention to build failures on all archs
[01:08] <ScottK> Yep.
[01:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Searching LP bugs on _ZN9QHashData13detach_helperEPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Ei finds me three packages that need rebuilt.
[01:21]  * JontheEchidna would be interested in that
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'll grab psi, looks like mumble is being taken care of
[01:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I was already doing mixx
[01:24] <ScottK> I'll probably go ahead and do a build1 on mumble too
[01:25] <ScottK> No reason people should have to wait.
[01:35] <ScottK> We should check that periodically.
[01:43]  * ryanakca will be away until the new year vacationing in Florida... I'll probably have internet access, but I plan on spending most of my time outside :)
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> have fun!
[01:47] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Thanks :)
[01:47]  * JontheEchidna wishes he could get some sun
[01:51] <DaskreeCh> Why do you have to regiser to use paste.ubuntu.com now?
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> it breaks batpaste too :(
[01:53] <DaskreeCh> Well I guess that explains why pastebinit was never patched to support paste.ubuntu.com
[01:57]  * ScottK has never used anything other than the default target in pastebinit.  Not sure why someone would care.
[02:08] <DaskreeCh> ScottK: It was just interesting to me that it didn't point at paste.ubuntu.com
[02:12] <jjesse> doesn't paste.ubuntu.com require a login to paste to it?
[02:12] <DaskreeCh> It does now
[02:12] <jjesse> i see it passes my launchpad open id
[02:12] <jjesse> is there a reason for requiring a long?
[02:13] <ScottK> Because anonymous pasting is dangerous?
[02:14] <DaskreeCh> I don't see how it would be more so dangerous for ubuntu.com than for pastebin.com pastebin.ca snipit.com and other much more well known clip sites
[02:25] <crimsun> except that the administrator has dibs on what authentication to require. Don't like it? Use another pastebin. (:
[02:27] <DaskreeCh> crimsun: No arguements there. I'm just saing it seems a little arbritrary to require that
[02:27] <DaskreeCh> esp since for the most part paste.ubuntu.com is more private than any of the other more well known sites
[02:46] <apachelogger> maco: any progress on the kmess issue?
[02:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: any progress on he kmess issue in lucid?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> waiting for archive admins
[02:46] <apachelogger> k :)
[02:47] <DaskreeCh> wow
[02:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe poke jr a bit on monday? :)
[02:47] <DaskreeCh> brain typed kmess twice
[02:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: For what?
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> for the actual sync
[02:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[02:47] <apachelogger> oh, right, ScottK is archive admin too now :)
[02:48] <ScottK> Yes, but sync's need shell access I don't have.
[02:48] <apachelogger> I figured
[02:48] <apachelogger> I find it silly though
[02:49] <apachelogger> shouldnt take much work to build a lp UI around tha
[02:49] <apachelogger> t
[02:49] <ScottK> Source is there, maybe you can write that while you're taking a break from Kubuntu.
[03:08] <crimsun> apachelogger: she's traveling for the holidays, should be online tomorrowish
[03:12] <apachelogger> oh, ok :)
[03:12]  * apachelogger should call it a night anyway
[03:16]  * DaskreeCh gets out the rubber stamp and stamps it officially a night
[03:31] <shtylman> my wireless in lucid is totally borked :)
[03:31] <DaskreeCh> * in lucid is borked isn't it?
[03:32] <shtylman> haha
[03:32] <shtylman> well...lots of things work
[03:32] <shtylman> but for some reason my wireless won't connect
[03:32] <shtylman> it upsets me
[03:49] <crimsun> lucid runs pretty well locally
[03:53] <DaskreeCh> STOP TEMPTING ME!
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> the appearing of new widgets it ever so neat ;-D
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> (beta2 here... that's a bit unfair :P)
[04:06] <DaskreeCh> JontheEchidna: From across the network?
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> the animation of when you add new widgets
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> I oxygen-ized the kubuntu logo by using the oxygen palette: http://imagebin.ca/view/L5wVBZEJ.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/80udtwk.html
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> the two palettes are surprisingly close
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> Can see the differences here: http://imagebin.ca/view/hcUnQi.html
[04:25] <nixternal> and another hard drive tanks
[04:26] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Whoooot
[04:26] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Would Canoical hire You?
[04:29] <nixternal> DaskreeCh: for what?
[04:29] <JontheEchidna> body guard, with your scary looks :P
[04:29] <nixternal> hah
[04:30] <nixternal> if I knew gnome in depth, with a little knowledge of KDE there is a job
[04:30] <nixternal> to bad that wasn't backwards
[04:31] <DaskreeCh> They won't hire peopel for KDE jobs? I thought they had KDE jobs as stated by sabdfl
[04:33] <nixternal> they were filled a while ago
[04:33] <nixternal> I didn't have x dev experience, so I didn't even bother
[04:36] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: guess you haven't met robbie from the foundations team, he is a bit bigger than I am I think...though I do lift weights to gain strength and size...I did body building stuff for a few years, but life got in the way
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> heh
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> so they got that covered...
[04:37] <nixternal> plus I used to do, and would like to get back into, MMA...ground and pound baby!
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> Mixed Martial Arts?
[04:38] <nixternal> trained for 1.5 years in brazillian jiu-jitsu, but was a wrestler in high school and in college, as well as foot ball in high school and the us navy
[04:38] <nixternal> yes
[04:38] <nixternal> now I am more of a lover and not a fighter, though I do love a good brawl from time-to-time
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts <- pic made me go "holy sh*t"
[04:38] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Wouldn't the solution to that be bodybuild more then bodily move life out of the way?
[04:39] <nixternal> heh, those are small guys, though matt danzig is^Wwas a beast
[04:40] <nixternal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MMA.png <- that's ground and pound :)
[04:40] <nixternal> no more body building...I started getting to big, and had to eat an assload of turkey before events and a lot of beef in training
[04:40] <nixternal> it actually made me sick of meat for a while
[04:41] <nixternal> so I became a vegetarian for about a year and got fat...how that works I don't know
[04:41] <nixternal> probably all that falafel which I absolutely love
[04:42] <JontheEchidna> haha
[04:43] <nixternal> though all the cycling leaned me out a little, so now I sit between 245 pounds and 255 pound, 6 foot 2 inches...my arms were 20 inches, but they are probably closer to 18 inches now...that's my favorite, the guns baby! :p
[04:46] <DaskreeCh> Vegeterian ice cream
[04:47] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://imagebin.ca/view/FAR2-XL.html <- no more bringing in the entire stack when new notifications show up (beta2)
[04:48] <ScottK> \o/
[04:48] <ScottK> Nice.
[04:50] <JontheEchidna> In beta 2: The widget still saves the notification history, but it's all contained in that collapsed recent notifications tab
[04:50] <JontheEchidna> and it doesn't count for the notification count
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> much less annoying
[04:56] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: actually I don't think it does do what you want, I got a bit mixed up :(
[04:57] <JontheEchidna> persistent notifications hang around for a bit
[04:57] <JontheEchidna> then after you deal with them they go to the recent notification tab
[04:57] <JontheEchidna> but until then they hang around in the main area
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> and pop up when notifications come up
[04:58] <ScottK> How about completed jobs?
[04:58] <ScottK> That's the one that drives me nuts.
[04:58] <ScottK> BTW, would it be possible for your notification helper not to pop up like that (maybe as an option), but just to make an icon in the tray?
[04:59] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, possible. Would want to talk to apachelogger about API for Event before doing such a thing, tho
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> completed jobs look like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/gxdBuD.html
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> will see if they go away after any period of time
[05:01]  * DaskreeCh thinks that you should be able to swap out the feel of the notifications
[05:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd really like to have the old update notifier look and feel back instead of this kpackagekit monstrosity we have now.
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> whoa, ping me again please
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[05:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Doing it anyway
[05:03] <DaskreeCh> JontheEchidna: Buwahahahaha
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I had closed the "recently completed" job already
[05:04] <JontheEchidna> so it wasn't what I thought it was
[05:04]  * DaskreeCh laughs as the wallpaper changes then the rain starts
[05:05]  * JontheEchidna thinks it's unfair that kpackagekit's sucky package management ruins action notifications for other apps :(
[05:05] <DaskreeCh> kpackagekit needs work
[05:05] <DaskreeCh> am I the only person annoyed by having to click a button after it fetches the sources list?
[05:06] <ScottK> kpackagekit needs to be taken out and shot.
[05:06] <JontheEchidna> shaman may be a viable alternative in the future
[05:08] <JontheEchidna> Saw a debian packager in #kde-devel expressing interest about a libapt2 backend for shaman
[05:08] <JontheEchidna> about writing one
[05:08] <DaskreeCh> Isn't KDE more closely tied to packagekit?
[05:08] <ScottK> Personally, I think the idea of a distro independent package manager is likely a pipe dream.
[05:08] <JontheEchidna> that's the beauty of shaman. it has a packagekit backend too
[05:09] <ScottK> packagekit is tied to Red Hat and Debian integration is not the first priority.
[05:10] <ScottK> I'm still not clear that it even aspires to be what I would consider fully featured.
[05:10]  * DaskreeCh wonders when someone will fork off a rolling release distro off Ubuntu 
[05:11] <ScottK> No real point in that.
[05:11] <ScottK> If you want that, use Sidux
[05:11] <DaskreeCh> MMMM Sid
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> anybody have opinions on: http://imagebin.ca/view/hcUnQi.html ?
[05:14] <ScottK> For once, I don't.
[05:15] <JontheEchidna> KubuntuLogo-oxygen.* is using the oxygen palette, not much difference except for the light colors
[05:15] <JontheEchidna> If we customized the KMenu button I think upstream would appreciate us using our own logo than mixing the KDE and Kubuntu logos
[05:16] <ScottK> Agreed on that, but we should ask.
[05:18] <ScottK> I don't have an opinion on the quality of the artwork, but since upstream has offered to help distros, from a social perspective I we're going to customize stuff, I think we ought to get them a shot at helping.
[05:19] <JontheEchidna> it just sorta feels weird asking them to do stuff for us, personally.
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> maybe kubuntu peeps + oxygen peeps could do a joint meeting to discuss branding, and what we'd both like to see?
[05:21] <ScottK> That'd be good.
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> that way we're on "neutral ground" with nobody explicitly asking anybody to do anything. We can come up with ideas first, then once we get something good, ask Oxygen to run with it
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> "We" being oxygen + us
[05:23] <JontheEchidna> finding somebody to organize this would be the trick...
[05:23] <ScottK> That's what stopped us last time.
[05:31] <DaskreeCh> JontheEchidna: Did you have the GHNS option for weather Wallpaper?
[05:31] <JontheEchidna> yep, been there since beta1
[05:32] <JontheEchidna> actually since trunk opened for 4.4
[05:33] <DaskreeCh> Ok. what's the ION thing for?
[05:33] <JontheEchidna> weather providers, that's standard for any type of weather widget
[05:37] <DaskreeCh> JontheEchidna: Yes :) but the test one is supposed to work?
[05:37] <JontheEchidna> nop
[05:37] <DaskreeCh> ok
[05:37] <DaskreeCh> how do I submit one?
[05:37] <JontheEchidna> like other kde-look things. the trick is writing an ion script
[05:39] <DaskreeCh> Ah and 4.5 we can select multiple papers for a single weather type?
[05:39] <JontheEchidna> not multiple, but custom
[05:40] <DaskreeCh> The custom that's there doesn't work now?
[05:40] <JontheEchidna> the custom pairings have been there since beta1, the ui just changed in beta2
[05:41]  * DaskreeCh grumbles and wants multiple papers for a single condition
[05:45] <DaskreeCh> If you have rain nearly all the time the one wallpaper becomes depressing
[05:50] <DaskreeCh> JontheEchidna: Have Kaffiene installed?
[05:50] <JontheEchidna> nah, dragon works fine for me
[05:51] <DaskreeCh> dragon probably does the same thing
[05:51] <DaskreeCh> Phonon stuff just won't play anything outside of Ogg for me
[05:51] <DaskreeCh> I Know that Phonon has slightly screwed packages I was just wondering if it's better in beta 2
[05:52] <JontheEchidna> karmic or lucid?
[05:52] <DaskreeCh> Karmic for me
[05:52] <JontheEchidna> dunno about karmic
[05:53] <JontheEchidna> I think beta2 should fix everything (though everything works now without beta1 in lucid)
[05:54] <DaskreeCh> waht do you mean without beta 1?
[05:54] <JontheEchidna> packaging
[05:54] <DaskreeCh> ok
[05:55] <JontheEchidna> sandsmark made a patch to update Qt's phonon to what's in KDE at the moment, so we could package phonon support for beta1
[05:55] <JontheEchidna> didn't get backported to karmic in time, so it'll come along with beta2
[05:55] <DaskreeCh> Not worth ot
[05:55] <DaskreeCh> Beta 2 should be enough
[06:20] <DaskreeCh> Anyone has a non Kubuntu machine ?
[06:20] <DaskreeCh> With KDE
[06:21] <DaskreeCh> Beta *
[13:47] <Lure> if somebody has time to review MIR for liblqr (digikam depend): https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportLibLqr
[14:19] <ScottK> Lure: Reading now.  lpia is not a target for Lucid, so you can remove it.
[14:20] <kishore> For some reason koffice is stuck at version 2.0 in the lucid repos
[14:20] <kishore> is there a good reason for this?
[14:20] <ScottK> Lure: It looks good, just add the link to the MIR bug when you file it.
[14:20] <ScottK> kishore: There is.
[14:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: give each event a notifieritem property is the API
[14:21] <kishore> ScottK: ok. When might it be available? if not i coud use the packages from the PPA for now
[14:22] <ScottK> We are switching from having koffice (1) in Main and koffice2 in Universe.  koffice2 (which is now going to be the koffice package) has a number of build-depends that need to be promoted to Main.  This takes some time to  review.
[14:22] <ScottK> I'm not sure of the status of the requests to get things promoted, so I can't give a timeframe.
[14:22] <kishore> ScottK: ok Makes sense. "get rid of all kde3 and qt3 from main" :)
[14:22] <ScottK> Yep
[14:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also I'd like to mention that I do not consider shaman a viable alternative to anything
[14:23] <apachelogger> well, to synaptic maybe, then again I wouldnt want to deploy synaptic
[14:24] <apachelogger> way too horrible UI
[14:24] <ScottK> Compared even to kpackagekit?
[14:26] <apachelogger> well, I didnt say kpk got a good UI :P
[14:26] <apachelogger> though IMHO they are both way beyond usable, so flipping kpk with shaman would not make a lot of difference
[14:26] <apachelogger> from a user point of view
[14:26] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:27] <ScottK> My problem with packagekit is I don't think taking something designed for rpm and then bolting on extra bits until is ~ works is a recipe for success.
[14:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: how does that affect the UI?
[14:29] <apachelogger> because I think we could only use shaman with packagekit either
[14:29] <ScottK> U/I is sort of bolted on the same way
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> I will note that I did say "in the future" and that somebody expressed interest in writing a libapt backend
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> bug 354972 \o/
[14:34]  * JontheEchidna just noticed it works today
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> grr, package managing just sucks in kde
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> canonical should just hire 2 or 3 C++ guys to get that shit done
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> I wouldn't mind if the thing was written in python as long as it didn't suck
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> though I do note that bindings usually do break, and to fix these one usually needs an update manager :P
[16:03] <seele> anyone do plasma development? i'm having trouble using the ScriptEngine
[16:03] <seele> although only on one of my machines, the other machine runs just fine
[16:33] <Lure> ScottK: thanks for review - did file the bug
[16:33]  * Lure looks into opencv 2.0 transition
[16:34] <shtylman> man... anyone else have intel 3945 wireless and having wireless conn problems?
[17:04] <Lex79> ScottK: kdenlive is in ninja ppa
[18:14] <shtylman> whats the ppa for daily kernels?
[18:14] <ghostcube> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[18:14] <shtylman> have a deb line for that?
[18:15] <shtylman> or do I have to pull the debs manually?
[18:16] <ghostcube> hmm searching but i think you need to pull manual
[18:17] <shtylman> yea...I couldn't find anything for that either
[18:17] <shtylman> I found the same as you linked above
[18:18] <ghostcube> apw has a daily build i think so
[18:18] <ghostcube> but i dont know if there is .32 rc1
[18:19] <Lure> ScottK, Riddell: do I need approval to merge universe package from unstable (instead of testing as the default sync does)?
[18:23] <ScottK> Lure: No.  It's your call as an ubuntu-dev.
[18:24] <Lure> ScottK: ok, I thought it is like that, just was not sure
[18:24] <ScottK> Lex79: Would you please put kdenlive somewhere public.  No need for it to be private.
[18:24] <Lure> will merge opencv 2.0.0 and then do library transition
[18:24] <Lure> then I hope to get MIR to enable RedEyesRemoval in kipi-plugins for lucid
[18:25] <ScottK> Excellent.
[18:25] <ScottK> We definitely need that.
[18:26] <Lure> ScottK: yep, but opencv was just impossible to fix to pass MIR - I tried, but failed :-(
[18:31] <Lex79> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages
[18:32] <ScottK> Lex79: Thanks.  I'll try and look at it a bit later today.
[18:32] <shtylman> so I was thinking the other day... and I have a question about how to use ppa right... lets say I have a program that released a new version and I want to stay up to date on that program... and I see someone has a ppa that stays up to date...how can I just get that program and not be forced to also update or get anything else they may have in their ppa?
[18:32] <shtylman> (I hope that was clear)
[18:34] <ScottK> shtylman: You need to use pinning.  This is non-trivial.  I think the Ubuntu Backports wiki page explains it though
[18:34] <shtylman> I see
[18:34] <shtylman> seems like that type of workflow (that I just described) would be more common
[18:34] <shtylman> or desireable
[18:36]  * DaskReEch goes looking for a virtuoso 5 PPA
[18:40] <ScottK> It is.
[18:41] <ScottK> There is a spec to make Ubuntu Backports work the way you describe.
[18:41] <ScottK> Hopefully we'll get it in for Lucid
[19:01] <shtylman> ScottK: cool
[19:01] <shtylman> look forward to that
[19:01] <shtylman> just like I look forward to building from bzr repo :)
[19:02] <what_if> Has anyone found a reference for creating/programming ksysguard tabs?
[19:15] <maco> i lost access to the batcave
[19:16] <maco> i assume because my account name is now maco instead of macogw
[19:39] <ScottK> maco: Can you join now?
[19:40] <maco> yep thanks
[20:09] <ScottK> Anyone know how .pro files work in Qt4?
[20:09] <ScottK> slanagasek almost fixed powerpc, but it needs a little more help.
[20:11] <what_if> Before I ask the mailing list... Does anyone know where I can find a reference to the XML/SGML worksheet language used in 'ksysguard'?
[20:13] <ScottK> what_if: You're probably better off to ask in #kde-devel.
[20:13] <ScottK> They can likely direct you to the best channel/mailing list.
[20:14] <what_if> ScottK: lol, just came from there with the same question. Was just trying to _not email the list as that involves many more people.
[20:15] <ScottK> what_if: OK.
[21:02] <ofirk> Has someone encoutered this problem: http://www.violetech.org/screenshot2.png ?
[21:03] <ofirk> I get this message and then no sound until I logout or reboot
[23:31] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hi :D how are you
[23:32] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, I was looking at the KDE docs. (upstream) TODO: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Documentation/KDE4 and there are some tasks that are assigned to you and now need updating. do you mind I start on those
[23:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[23:43] <_Groo_> Lex79: hey lex, i tested you package (kdenlive), its ok now