[00:00] <arielCo> sebsebseb: it's a feature requested by the EU. On installation, Windows7 should prompt for which browser you want to use, out of a list of popular browsers. There's an article linked/discussed on /.
[00:00] <arielCo> bjsnider: too late - done it
[00:00] <_Groo_> DanaG: mplayer, ffmpeg and mencoder with multi code support
[00:00] <sebsebseb> arielCo: yes that's what I am on about,  it's been requested by the EU yep
[00:00] <_Groo_> multi core
[00:01] <sebsebseb> arielCo: well not the EU,  the European Commission
[00:01] <DanaG> wrong tab-complete?
[00:01] <bjsnider> arielCo, ok, just refresh again and the new mplayer will show up
[00:02] <arielCo> sebsebseb: awright, I always mix them up. Gotta read up on that some time.
[00:02] <bjsnider> DanaG, brad pitt's psychotic nihilist cult leader from "fight club"
[00:02] <arielCo> bjsnider: yup - just got 2:1.0~rc3+svn20091207-0ubuntu1~karmic~nvidiavdpauppa11
[00:02] <DanaG> Never seen that movie.
[00:02] <DanaG> heh, now I need an amdxvba / vaapi PPA.
[00:02] <sebsebseb> arielCo: now we just need one,  saying what OS's are avaiable as alternatives :D  Ubuntu etc
[00:03]  * arielCo giggles
[00:03] <arielCo> sebsebseb, that would be a sticker outside the box, so you can choose before shelling out
[00:03] <DanaG> hang tight?  made me think of "hang loose" -- not sure what that would mean.
[00:04] <arielCo> hmm... gotta give MPlayer a scalable icon
[00:05] <bjsnider> arielCo, i would stay away from gmplayer. install mplayer-nogui and either gnome-mplayer or smplayer
[00:05] <bjsnider> nobody's touched gmplayer in years
[00:05] <DanaG> hmm, on your kwin, what style window border do you use?  Lines, or the tab thingy?
[00:06] <arielCo> what's gmplayer? I got MPlayer and MPlayer-nogui
[00:06] <DanaG> isn't gnome-mplayer just gmplayer?
[00:06] <bjsnider> mpayer is gmplayer
[00:06] <arielCo> oh, g for GNOME?
[00:06] <bjsnider> DanaG, no, it is a completely new gtk gui
[00:06] <bjsnider> no, g for gui
[00:06] <_Groo_> bjsnider: actually its a very OLD gtk gui
[00:07] <bjsnider> gnome-mplayer is a great little program too
[00:07] <_Groo_> best mplayer gui is smplayer, hands down
[00:07] <bjsnider> _Groo_, i was talking about gnome-mplayer when i said it was a completely new gtk gui
[00:08] <bjsnider> _Groo_, i agree
[00:08] <_Groo_> bjsnider: ah ok
[00:08] <arielCo> oh, now I get it - gmplayer is the default gui app supplied with mplayer
[00:08] <bjsnider> right
[00:08] <bjsnider> and it's an old piece of crap
[00:08] <arielCo> I remember using smplayer on Windows some time ago - nice enough, save for some quirks I don't remember well now
[00:09] <bjsnider> smplayer has about 350k options
[00:09] <arielCo> oh yes, now I remember that it had a lot in common with mencoder, and the docs were sometimes inconsistent
[00:10] <arielCo> some options had changed
[00:10] <_Groo_> bjsnider: yeah, its a qt/kde app, its suposed to be that way... gnomies prefer the:  i just want a play button and maybe a fullscreen button, gnome knows better then me what i must use.. just like oprah
[00:10] <bjsnider> oprah?
[00:11] <_Groo_> bjsnider: yeah oprah and gnome have a lot in common , they both know whats best for their audience
[00:11] <arielCo> bjsnider, it looks a lot better than I remember :D
[00:11] <DanaG> then what's gnome-mplayer?
[00:11] <arielCo> _Groo_ good one
[00:12] <bjsnider> that's the first time oprah has ever been dragged into an irc discussion, that i know of
[00:12] <_Groo_> bjsnider: im original
[00:12] <bjsnider> DanaG, gnomne-mplayer is a completely new gtk gui for mplayer
[00:13] <bjsnider> _Groo_, do i sense a bit of contempt and loathing for oprah's audience?
[00:15] <_Groo_> bjsnider: nahhh, after all less is more... why do you need all features if you just use one feature, the problem is, even if you want TWO features you only can use ONE.. so you cant actually complain lol
[00:15] <sebsebseb> arielCo: yep I guess, regarding the box
[00:15] <DanaG> gmplayer doesn't have deinterlacing options, for example.
[00:16] <arielCo> gnome's fine if you need someone to hold your hand. At some time you may want to walk on your own even if you trip over from time to time.
[00:16] <DanaG> weird... kwin 4.4 doesn't do the liney style.
[00:17] <sebsebseb> arielCo: that's not just Gnome, that's Ubuntu
[00:18] <sebsebseb> arielCo: at some stage, you might want to use a distro that isn't as easy to use
[00:18] <arielCo> sebsebseb: good enough for non-technical people. I once tried Kubuntu but it lasted less than a week.
[00:18] <_Groo_> arielCo: GUIs arent hard or easy, kde/gnome are both fine from a starting point, the problem is that gnome treats all users as stupid little...beeep...
[00:19] <arielCo> _Groo_: right on. I remember a fine example around xscreensaver
[00:19] <sebsebseb> arielCo: hmm?
[00:19] <DanaG> oh yeah, that whole brouhaha
[00:19] <bjsnider> and kde is voluble to the point where you want the explanations and excessive options to go away
[00:19] <sebsebseb> arielCo: what's the example?
[00:20] <DanaG> take a look at the qtcurve config... that's way way too much config displayed by default.
[00:20] <_Groo_> bjsnider: explanations??? excessive options???
[00:20] <arielCo> they removed the screensaver configuration button in gnome-screensaver  (or whatever the equivalent applet is called) because that should be handled by the theme instead of the user
[00:20] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: if you mean KDE 4 can be a bit difficult to set up properly, indeed at that
[00:20] <arielCo> there was an argument along the lines of "if it needs a configuration dialog, it's broken"
[00:20] <DanaG> That's bollocks.
[00:21] <DanaG> Oh no, people could configure their screensaver to say profane things!
[00:21] <DanaG> =þ
[00:21] <arielCo> of course it is, but they expected all that to be handled by themes that *someone* would cook up
[00:21] <_Groo_> bjsnider: the problem is, average user WONT costumize, and when he DOES he WANTS the options.. the problem with gnome is that its a all or nothing (more of nothin) proposition
[00:21] <DanaG> Or if gnome-shell is the way to come, it's nothing or -- nothing.
[00:21] <bjsnider> _Groo_, well, i don't see it that way. everything here is changeable
[00:22] <sebsebseb> arielCo: Well starting with Karmic, I assume it will also be like this for Lucid, but most of the screensavers that were there in the default install aren't anymore.  Apparently that's, because of them running out of space on the CD.
[00:22] <_Groo_> bjsnider: if you mean, via a register im gonna slap you :D
[00:22] <DanaG> hmm, in gnome... how do you set rss-glx screensaver "flux" to use only "regular" preset?
[00:22] <bjsnider> DanaG, why not go to gnome's irc network and talk to the devs there about your concerns?
[00:22] <arielCo> DanaG: more like "oh no, people will see all those knobs and checkboxes and run away from Ubuntu". I don't know you, but if I bump into an overly-complicated config screen, my first reaction is to hit Cancel until I have time to dig into it.
[00:22] <_Groo_> arielCo: thats why you are a gnome user ;)
[00:23] <sebsebseb> arielCo: I would much rather have all those nice screensavers that were there before by default,  than Ubuntu One for example.
[00:24] <arielCo> _Groo_ : that's why I run the other version of the xscreensaver config, note down the parameters it creates, and edit some file which I can't remember now
[00:25] <_Groo_> arielCo:  :)
[00:25] <arielCo> _Groo_ : I'm not afraid of twirling knobs, especially if there's a "Reset" button, but my feeling is that Joe User would say "naw, too complicated", close the dialog, and keep enjoying Ubuntu as it is
[00:26] <sebsebseb> arielCo: well the software centre will become a rather important and user friendly part of Ubuntu, it seems
[00:26] <sebsebseb> it's wiki page is good
[00:26] <sebsebseb> however in the future something about how it will offer commercial apps for people to buy, hmm
[00:27] <arielCo> haha, now we only have to do   s/sudo apt-get install (\S+)/Install $1 from the Software Center/g   :D
[00:27] <arielCo> in all docs
[00:28] <_Groo_> arielCo: joe user would buy the sara palin book and find it "dense"¬¬ we cant just dumb down everything
[00:29] <sebsebseb> arielCo: I don't understand what this means (\S+)/Install $1  also why did you put s/sudo ?
[00:29] <arielCo> I've always wanted it to be an onion-thing. You want deeper control? Fine, take a look and step back if you don't feel capable.
[00:30] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu is starting to become a lot more for Joe user or whatever you want to call them
[00:30] <arielCo> sebsebseb: well, the typical advice is to run "sudo apt-get install foo". With the software center, we'd have to change all that to "look for Foo in the Software Centre"
[00:31] <sebsebseb> ,but if it can target the average computer user, with most of them currently running Windows, well if it can do that and properly,  then it should start to gain a more proper market share
[00:31] <arielCo> sebsebseb: and I'll be happy to have some distro for them. Joe User might be my mom, or my VP who doesn't have the time to even skim a manpage.
[00:31] <sebsebseb> by what I have read about 10.04, it seems that 10.04 will be the start of that
[00:31] <sebsebseb> arielCo: VP?  uhmm remind me what that is, or did I even know hmm
[00:31] <_Groo_> sebsebseb: but thats the problem (one of) with desktop linux, everyone thinks that ppl want simple stuff, well they DONT, they want familiarity, not simple
[00:32] <arielCo> haha... vice-president. Old guy making big, hard decisions.
[00:33] <sebsebseb> arielCo: oh ok that, well we aren't all from the USA, etc
[00:33] <arielCo> _Groo_: they can handle a change from Windows to a simpler interface even if it's alien to them. Think Windows -> Apple; to tell the truth, most who switch are delighted after a while.
[00:33] <arielCo> sebsebseb, neither am I but I guess I read a lot of stuff from there
[00:34] <sebsebseb> most  Linux tech news and such I will read, will be on an American website
[00:34] <sebsebseb> or  typed/written by one anyway
[00:36] <_Groo_> arielCo: kde/gnome are actually easier then apple if proper pre configured
[00:36] <sebsebseb> seems most of the properly active support people in #ubuntu are from USA.
[00:36] <arielCo> _Groo_: you beat me to it! If we (active users + developers) can manage to simplify most *config* tasks, migrating from Windows to Linux will be as easy as migrating to a Mac. A bit simpler if you count the added ease of not shelling out $1,500 :D
[00:37] <sebsebseb> and loads of Americans in off topic as well etc
[00:37]  * arielCo doesn't really know how much Macs cost
[00:37]  * arielCo glances at sebsebseb  >_>
[00:37] <sebsebseb> arielCo: why?
[00:38] <_Groo_> arielCo: thats your fundamental mistake, we dont need to dumbify desktop linux to become apple drones, we need to have them PROPERLY PRE CONFIGURED!
[00:38] <sebsebseb> would have been good if it was called the Software Centre, rather than Center, by the way, but no
[00:38] <_Groo_> arielCo: do you know why netbooks with maemo took of? because they JUST WORK!
[00:38] <arielCo> _Groo_: right
[00:39] <_Groo_> arielCo: ask an average joe to install and configure windows xp/vista/7.. he would be as lost as installing ubuntu, even loster
[00:39] <sebsebseb> well maybe not that good, but some of us would have been quite happy :)   it's called that in the menu for those with en GB, but not the program itself
[00:39] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu is becoming more Windows like it seems
[00:39] <bjsnider> arielCo, $1k>$1.4k unless you get a pro desktop, which is at least $2500
[00:39] <sebsebseb> or will be  becoming more Windows like I should say
[00:39] <arielCo> _Groo_: can Maemo be regarded as basically a well-configured Linux?
[00:40] <arielCo> sebsebseb: from a layman's perspective there's at least one BIG shining difference - performance!
[00:41] <sebsebseb> 10.04 might even look more like Windows aero,  well I put this after reading something
[00:41] <arielCo> the machine under my fingers came with Vista - I can remember the pain of opening a new IE8 window or tab
[00:42] <bjsnider> internet exploder 8?
[00:42] <arielCo> sebsebseb: so Compiz will come pre-configured? Not a bad idea.
[00:43] <arielCo> bjsnider: actually, it's useful as a tool to test my patience
[00:43] <sebsebseb> also I gave this link out here lastnight/thismorning ,but  this is a good read people
[00:43] <sebsebseb> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/12/ubuntu-1004-will-bring-panel-overhaul-social-network-menu.ars
[00:43] <arielCo> bjsnider: kinda like a bottle of catsup that you can't shake
[00:43] <arielCo> going
[00:43] <_Groo_> arielCo: it already does since jaunty at least
[00:43] <_Groo_> arielCo: and kwin3d usually just works...
[00:44] <arielCo> kwin3d? that's a window manager?
[00:44] <bjsnider> compiz has been out of control for too long. now it's beyond saving
[00:44] <_Groo_> the problem with windows -> linux migrations are the same of any migrations... perceptions.
[00:44] <sebsebseb> _Groo_: I also gave this link out here lastnight/thismorning and it fits in well with what your saying, about how Ubuntu doesn't always just work. http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/12/ubuntu-linux-gnome-and-xorg-th.html
[00:44] <_Groo_> first thing i see a new "windows/linux" user do it to scourge the internet looking for drivers/programs to "install" instead of using a package manager, since they arent familiar with the concept
[00:45] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu doesn't always just work properly on a computer, I should put really
[00:45] <sebsebseb> _Groo_: that is what your saying isn't it?
[00:45] <arielCo> do you know if gnome-Do is going to come preconfigured? It's a nice gimmick for the new user. Heck, I use it instead of the panel.
[00:46] <sebsebseb> arielCo: I think the memenu will be be of interest to newusers as well as a lot of users who have been using Ubuntu for a while already, check out the  arstechnica link
[00:46] <_Groo_> arielCo: it already does also
[00:48] <sebsebseb> _Groo_: as for the looking for drivers stuff,  I think eventually Software Centre will start to really take care of that
[00:48] <arielCo> sebsebseb: in my experience, there's a lot in common between Ubuntu and model kits - some decals to stick on, some rough edges to sand... but then again, installing Windows on a new PC brings some of that feeling
[00:49] <arielCo> sebsebseb: I'm still trying to figure out my 802.11g card. There seem to be three different choices depending on how "free" I want to go =/
[00:49] <sebsebseb> arielCo: Ubuntu and model kits,  I am not following
[00:50] <Ketsuban> What concerns me is the apparent assumption that people only ever interact with other Linux users. This Telepathy stuff is all well and good, but I can't use any of it when talking to the people I talk to because they don't use Linux.
[00:50] <arielCo> sebsebseb: kinda like these: http://www.jetplanes.co.uk/modelaircraft/mh53seadragon.html
[00:50] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: ah yes that
[00:50] <sebsebseb> well Gimp got ported to Windows
[00:51] <_Groo_> Ketsuban: This windows messenger stuff is all well and good, but i cant use any of it when talking to the people i talk because they all use windows
[00:51] <sebsebseb> Empathy could get ported as well,  plus I can think of three ways on how it can be run inside Windows
[00:51] <sebsebseb> and not natively of course
[00:52] <arielCo> methinks Empathy was made the default IM client a bit too early
[00:52] <sebsebseb> arielCo: same here
[00:52] <sebsebseb> I guess
[00:52] <sebsebseb> hmm things have gone  well
[00:52] <BUGabundo> guys a bit OT, what do you know similar to hamachi VPN? I need a way to hook two PCs, that can't open ports between them !
[00:52] <sebsebseb> off topic here, but no one telling us off
[00:52] <arielCo> BUGabundo: there's Hamachi for Linux, afaik
[00:53] <BUGabundo> arielCo: I know, but its no longer mantained
[00:53] <BUGabundo> and some of its depencies no longer work
[00:54] <arielCo> hmm... I remember having done some research a while ago
[00:54] <arielCo> wait up
[00:54] <_Groo_> BUGabundo: openVPN?
[00:54] <sebsebseb> I feel like using the bot
[00:54] <sebsebseb> !ot
[00:55] <_Groo_> ubottu: goood bot, gooood bot, heres a cookie!
[00:55] <_Groo_> ubottu: its  just a cookie ¬¬
[00:55] <sebsebseb> _Groo_: there is a !cookie factoid for good helpers
[00:56] <_Groo_> sebsebseb: i know i know, but he was suposed to know what a cookie is ;)
[00:56] <BUGabundo> _Groo_: and how do I connect both ends?
[00:56] <sebsebseb> _Groo_: you just called her a he
[00:56] <sebsebseb> !gender
[00:56] <Ketsuban> I'm not sure "it's ported" is a solution. Sure, it turns "this is a useless feature because you're not running the same OS" into "this is a useless feature because you're not using the same client", but it's still a useless feature, and good luck convincing people Telepathy is useful, especially given the joke that is Empathy.
[00:56] <Ketsuban> s/it's ported/it might be ported later/
[00:56] <_Groo_> sebsebseb: shes a she?? oO
[00:56] <sebsebseb> !gender
[00:56] <arielCo> BUGabundo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamachi#See_also
[00:56] <_Groo_> !apologize
[00:56] <sebsebseb> !sorry | _Groo_
[00:57] <_Groo_> sebsebseb: thanks sebsebseb
[00:57] <BUGabundo> arielCo: thanks
[00:57] <arielCo> Wippien looks good
[00:59] <sebsebseb> _Groo_: for what using !sorry ?
[00:59] <BUGabundo> arielCo: GUI is win32 only. CLI requires unknow daemon to be run as root :\\
[01:00] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: _Groo_: play with bots on #ubuntu-bots . thanks
[01:01] <Ketsuban> And I don't think I will ever be pleased with things like gnome-shell which threaten to turn my laptop into a dumb kiosk.
[01:01] <BUGabundo> arielCo: n2n is in the repos :D
[01:01] <_Groo_> gotta go, seeya another day
[01:01] <arielCo> bye _Groo_
[01:01]  * BUGabundo presses F11 on Ketsuban brower
[01:02] <_Groo_> seeya all
[01:02] <arielCo> BUGabundo: the homepage looks scary ;)
[01:02] <BUGabundo> eheh full instrucntion set on home page
[01:02] <BUGabundo> #hardcore
[01:03] <Ketsuban> I fail to see what you're trying to prove. The only time I fullscreen a browser is when I'm trying to show something to my mother across the room and thus need to zoom in real close.
[01:03] <_Groo_> gotta go, seeya another day
[01:03] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: I haven't tried Gnome Shell
[01:03] <sebsebseb> yet
[01:03] <sebsebseb> in fact I don't really know anything about it
[01:04] <sebsebseb> I know there's a ppa that can be got for Karmic and I guess Lucid as well
[01:04] <sebsebseb> and that things go a bit crazy or something when Gnome Shell is turned on
[01:05] <bjsnider> sebsebseb, there are videos of gnome-shell being used that you can take a look at
[01:05] <bjsnider> i'm using it right now so things can't be too crazy
[01:05] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: that's a point,  videos
[01:06] <sebsebseb> well seems some like it, and others aren't sure about it
[01:06] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: your using it in what, Karmic Lucid?
[01:06] <bjsnider> karmic
[01:06] <Ketsuban> Then again, I also don't get the "waaaah people aren't using the notification area properly" stuff. How else is something like Liferea, which stays resident but doesn't constantly sit in your face doing nothing, supposed to hide?
[01:06] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: oh the notification area, they will be uhmm  well removing that for 10.04
[01:06] <sebsebseb> and doing something else instead
[01:07] <sebsebseb> I gave a link a little while ago
[01:07] <sebsebseb> about the memenu
[01:07] <arielCo> BUGabundo: okay, so you need a third machine to do what a Hamachi server would otherwise do
[01:07] <BUGabundo> arielCo: yeah I gather that
[01:09] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: well memenu in 10.04, if it's ready in time
[01:10] <Ketsuban> Yes, sebsebseb, I saw that. Funnily enough, feeds don't seem to be a "me menu" sort of thing - they're not social, and they're not networking. Also, I find amusement at the fact that they quote someone who made Gwibber, considering the one thing I couldn't do with Gwibber when I tried it was actually send a tweet.
[01:11] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: also Gnome 3 apparantly already has something like the memenu
[01:12] <bjsnider> no it doesn't
[01:12] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: ok
[01:12] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: Gnome Shell doesn't have anything like it,  a guy put something  on IRC to me earlier...
[01:12] <sebsebseb> ,but I guess he doesn't know what he is on about
[01:12] <BUGabundo> arielCo: are you voluntering a machine so I can test?
[01:12] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:13] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: or whatever
[01:13] <BUGabundo> arielCo: $ supernode -l PORT
[01:13] <arielCo> hmm... I didn't think of that, but can do!
[01:13] <arielCo> let me install the thing
[01:13] <BUGabundo> its all its needed. even with just users space privs
[01:13] <bjsnider> gnome-shell has a basic panel with a notification area like gnome-panel
[01:13] <arielCo> oh, wait
[01:13] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: Gnome Shell has nothing like it?
[01:13] <BUGabundo> arielCo: PVT
[01:14]  * sebsebseb remembers he should really see some videos of Gnome Shell
[01:14] <arielCo> should I forward a port or something? I'm behind a router too.
[01:14] <sebsebseb> well I didn't forget that
[01:17] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: oh right ok
[01:18] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: well I don't have a Twitter account yet
[01:18] <sebsebseb> Ketsuban: and I haven't used whatever this is  Gwibber is
[01:27] <sebsebseb> arielCo: Ubuntu and model kits going back to earlier, when it comes to install?  went on your link
[01:32] <BUGabundo> arielCo: back ?
[02:06] <hyperstream_> how can i get Lucid to display my remaining laptop battery life?
[02:07] <BUGabundo> hyperstream you can't
[02:07] <BUGabundo> it was dropped
[02:07] <hyperstream_> it was functioning last night, closed the lappy went to bed opened it up, punched in my password and its gone..
[02:08] <hyperstream_> rebooting brb
[02:10] <hyperstream__> that fixed it
[02:10] <hyperstream__> wierd
[02:41] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you using the blob right now or nouveau?
[02:41] <BUGabundo> blob
[02:41] <i_is_broke> ok this is probably a real noobie question but im going to ask anyways, whats the difference in between the gnome terminal,lxterminal,and the konsole terminal?
[02:42] <bjsnider> does it boot with plymouth in there?
[02:43] <bjsnider> mbierl is apparently having some internet issues
[02:43] <i_is_broke> yeah it looks like it.
[02:43] <i_is_broke> i hate that when that happens.
[02:44] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: yep
[02:44] <BUGabundo> or at least I think so
[02:44] <BUGabundo>  I removed splash
[02:44] <bjsnider> i thought you needed a kms driver to use plymouth
[02:46] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, which blob?
[02:46] <BUGabundo> 185 I think
[02:47] <BUGabundo> archive nvidia
[02:51] <Bookman> how do I update from the command line.  I do not have x working?
[02:52] <Bookman> update-manager -d does not work
[02:52] <BUGabundo> Bookman: do-release-upgrade ?
[02:52] <BUGabundo> or sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[02:52] <i_is_broke> well lets see what happens with the test box this time, upgrading kernel now..so this might get interesting again.
[02:53] <BUGabundo> depends on you beeing upgrading distro, or running regular updates
[02:55] <Bookman> OK, This has started the process.  I have a newly built computer with an old Ubuntu installation on the hard drive.  It did not boot properly, but I could get to the command line.  Will this upgrade correct all of the drivers and such?  I have no working CD/DVD or USB
[02:56] <i_is_broke> well i dont know if it will fix it, but the way it sounds you dont have much of a choice other then a reinstall.
[02:58] <bjsnider> Bookman, what old distro?
[02:59] <Bookman> bjsnider, 9.04
[03:00] <i_is_broke> hmm thats not that old
[03:00] <bjsnider> well, that's not so old
[03:00] <Bookman> No, but does not work all the same
[03:00] <i_is_broke> yeah broke is still broke.
[03:00] <bjsnider> it should install whatever the new distro is in its entirety, but There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip
[03:01] <i_is_broke> i have never had luck putting old systems on new computers that way..its just never been my luck.
[03:01] <Bookman> Yeah, I might have to scrap this one.
[03:01] <Bookman> Too bad, new motherboard, new cpu, new ram.
[03:01] <i_is_broke> new video card as well?
[03:01] <Bookman> Onboard
[03:02] <i_is_broke> well that wouldnt mess with the cd/dvd rom or the usbs.
[03:02] <bjsnider> what video chip?
[03:02] <Bookman> Nope, none of my machines work with the usb/cd anymore since 9.10
[03:02] <i_is_broke> thats a bus.
[03:04] <i_is_broke> well no one can guarantee an upgrade, but like i said dont think you really have much choice other then a new install.have you got your data saved?
[03:04] <i_is_broke> what chip set is in the computer?
[03:04] <i_is_broke> intel?
[03:05] <i_is_broke> and what was in the last one?
[03:05] <Bookman> MSI K9N6PGM2
[03:06] <Bookman> Last was too old to remember
[03:06] <i_is_broke> lol
[03:06] <i_is_broke> i have that kind of memory too..
[03:06] <Bookman> Yup....
[03:07] <i_is_broke> i was going to say if they was both the same thing then you might get real lucky but...
[03:07] <i_is_broke> but you upgrade other computers and they did the same thing, and did you change parts on them too or just the upgrade"?
[03:08] <Bookman> No, just upgrade
[03:08] <Bookman> This one is unique
[03:08] <i_is_broke> thats odd.
[03:08] <Bookman> I might just toss it and buy a new machine
[03:08] <bjsnider> Bookman, that board has an onboard nvidia gpu supported by the latest blobs
[03:08] <Bookman> Yup
[03:08] <i_is_broke> well i wouldnt toss it.
[03:09] <Bookman> i_is_broke, I will just for personal satisfaction.  Building your own used to work.  Not so much anymore
[03:09] <i_is_broke> i build all of mine.
[03:09] <bjsnider> it does not have any purevideo technology so it would make a poor gaming system and poor media center
[03:09] <Bookman> Hopefully not with 9.10
[03:10] <i_is_broke> i have yet to buy a complete system.
[03:11] <Bookman> Hmm, I built all my own before with Windows.  No issues.
[03:11] <Bookman> This is a nightmare
[03:15] <bjsnider> you can put a pci-express graphics card in that and make it better
[03:16] <bjsnider> even a cheap one like an 8200-8400 that is practically being given away would give you better graphics and vdpau
[03:16] <bjsnider> and that's one step closer to world domination
[03:38] <Bookman> If I could boot my machine, that would be a big step closer to domination
[04:29] <i_is_broke> well if it was me and i was wanting to run linux on a new machine i would read about it before i bought the parts to make sure they was compatible...sheesh..doesnt take rocket science to figure that one out.
[04:43] <genii> !hcl
[04:43] <genii> also !laptop
[05:11] <ubuntu> anyone here?
[05:11] <ubuntu> ??
[05:13] <genii> Yes, we're here
[05:15] <zen_> #ubuntu-cn
[05:20] <ubuntu> Hi ... I upgraded to the alpha version of lucid lynx , and my computer wouldn't boot anymore .... get a message saying "Segmentation fault" .... would someone know how to fix this?
[05:22] <ubuntu> genii: short of reinstalling, that is ... I've a lot of data, and backing it all up before reinstalling would be a pain
[05:23] <RAOF> ubuntu: If you've got a lot of data that you don't want to lose, go back to 9.10.
[05:23] <ubuntu> RAOF: yep, how do I do that?
[05:23] <RAOF> ubuntu: By reinstalling.
[05:24] <genii> Yes, there is no "downgrade"
[05:24] <ubuntu> RAOF: wouldn't it format the drive and loose all my data
[05:24] <RAOF> It's technically possible to downgrade, but (a) there's no guarantee that it'll work, (b) you're quite likely to end up with something that's not quite 9.10 in crashy ways, and (c) it's moderately difficult.
[05:24] <RAOF> ubuntu: Not necessarily; Ubuntu hasn't been formatting /home for at least a couple of releases.
[05:25] <ubuntu> RAOF: oh really!? so if I just reinstall 9.10 , there's a chance I can keep all my data
[05:25] <RAOF> Yes; I would, however, back it up.
[05:26] <RAOF> I'm fairly sure that the default is to not format anything, and preserve /home.
[05:26] <RAOF> Be careful in the installer, though :)
[05:27] <ubuntu> RAOF: ok :) I'll try ... to be sure, there's no hope of recovering the lynx alpha?
[05:27] <RAOF> Oh, there probably is.  But alpha-1 is not the time to jump in if your system has to work & not destroy your important data.
[05:28] <ubuntu> RAOF .. well, looks like I'm backing up my data anyway ... so after I've done that, i might also try making lynx work
[05:33] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: unless your pretty experienced with Ubuntu, it's probably best for you not to bother with Lucid for proper useage early, untill at least the beta, if you can't wait untill the release candidate or final
[05:34] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: plus all your data should be backed up, when testing it,  but really it should be backed up anyway, hard disks can just fail for example
[05:34] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: ok
[05:35] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: Why did you go to Lucid anyway?
[05:36] <genii> Probably "because it was there"
[05:36] <bjsnider> RAOF, how is it that plymouth would work without a kms driver?
[05:36] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: well, was just curious to see .. I'd previously upgraded to kaola in beta, and it wasn't a *big* problem (though I had some booting issues there too)
[05:36] <sebsebseb> genii: yeah, but  Jaunty is still there, and loads of them aren't putting that back on :)
[05:37] <RAOF> bjsnider: Because we load, at worst, vga16fb so there's always a framebuffer?
[05:37] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: I have done that before myself a few times,  got it early,  used as my OS,  and then got issues before the beta, that stayed there
[05:37] <RAOF> bjsnider: This is also, incidentally, why Intel died recently; vga16fb was taking the framebuffer & confusing everything.
[05:38] <bjsnider> i've got a guy emailing me using the bob and not getting pas an error at plymouth
[05:38] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: I kept on thinking how I would virtual machine test instead, and now I have started to a little bit
[05:39] <bjsnider> he says the problem was "a bad mountall from the ubuntu-desktop PPA"
[05:39] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: raof: :) yeah, now that u mention it, its a smarter thing to try
[05:39] <sebsebseb> also if I was going to put on like that, I woudn't  do it untill like alpha 4 by the earliest, but for people who are going to do that,  on a machine that isn't just a test machine, it's best to wait untill at least the beta really
[05:39] <RAOF> bjsnider: No idea; none of my systems actually lack kms :)
[05:40] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: anyway this time round I will be virtual machine testing,  but that's only, because I have put on another distro on this computer
[05:40] <sebsebseb> otherwise I would have probably done like before, even though,  I would have told myself not to
[05:40] <DanaG> Actually, I've had to block vga16fb.
[05:40] <DanaG> It breaks even uvesafb.
[05:41] <DanaG> The "bind if nothing else has bound yet" happens BEFORE anything else has a CHANCE to bind!
[05:41] <DanaG> So it says, screw you, I'm claiming the device!
[05:41] <DanaG> And gives me a screen full of garbage.
[05:41] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: lesson learnt :)
[05:41] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: the noticeable end user feature don't start coming in untill like alpha 3 or something
[05:41] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: I see
[05:41] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: well for this release.  not got the scheduled in front of me.   anyway the beta will have them
[05:42] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: have a look at the release scheduled :)
[05:42] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: yep
[05:43] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: RAOF: thanks guys .. looks like its going to be a few gruelling hours of backup work .. see u later
[05:43] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: hold on
[05:43] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: did you ever do 9.04?
[05:44] <ubuntu> I think I did
[05:44] <sebsebseb> I much prefer it to 9.10 :)
[05:44] <ubuntu> :) i don't remember much from it
[05:44] <sebsebseb> 9.04 as in Jaunty as in the April release
[05:44] <sebsebseb> Jaunty Jackalope
[05:45] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: 9.10 has been buggy for me ... the screensaver program hanged my system many times
[05:45] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: oh?
[05:45] <sebsebseb> well
[05:45] <sebsebseb> most of the screensavers that used to come by default in previous versions of Ubuntu
[05:45] <sebsebseb> don't come with Karmic
[05:45] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: So why did you get Lucid early?  because you thought it would solve some problems maybe?
[05:46] <ubuntu> sebsebseb: not really, was just curious .. wanted to scratch am itch :)
[05:46] <sebsebseb> ok
[05:47] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: here's a little tip by the way when it comes to getting ISO's.  md5sum/sha1sum or both your ISO, to make sure you have a good download,  if you get from the torrent it's probably ok
[05:47] <sebsebseb> ubuntu: really easy to do the check in the terminal
[06:00]  * sebsebseb Got reminded of when I put Gutsy on, way to early hmm/hrm, (or maybe it was feisty)
[08:13] <DanaG> hmm, in kde 4.4, how do you bind a hotkey to a panel launcher?
[08:13] <DanaG> "icon properties" has no place for shortcut-key.
[10:21] <z987k> I'm having problems with ls
[10:22] <z987k> it hangs every time I give ls to a large directory
[10:40] <soee> hi
[12:05] <janne> Does anyone have a broken Nautilus?
[12:46] <bittin^> Hello anyone know how i do a list off my installed Debian packages with dpkg into a textfile?
[12:48] <Michalxo> dpkg -l >> textfile?
[12:55] <bittin^> http://bittin.linuxuser.se/HilleLinuxpackages.txt got it to work :)
[12:57] <Michalxo> bittin^, not working for me
[12:58] <bittin^> its http://bittin.linuxuser.se/HilleLinuxPackages.txt
[15:09] <BUGabundo> olá
[15:47] <delight> sftp is not working for me in dolphin kde sc 4.4 beta 1 ... is this only happening in lucid or is this an kde 4.4 beta 1 problem ?
[15:51] <BUGabundo> delight: known
[15:51] <BUGabundo> ask yofel for the bug
[15:51] <BUGabundo> battery widget in gnome is broken
[15:51] <BUGabundo> as soon as I unplug power it says zero % :(
[15:53] <BluesKaj> howdy folks , konversation is using upwards of 75% of cpu again . I wonder if others are seeing this too
[15:55] <BUGabundo> hi BluesKaj
[15:55] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo
[15:55] <BUGabundo> how do I tell dovecot to not start at startup ? what's the current "user easy way" to do that?
[15:57] <BUGabundo> since we now use vsysinit is there a UI for it?
[16:02] <delight> BUGabundo: known but is it an upstream kde or an lucid problem ?
[16:03] <yofel> delight: bug 496208 - lucid problem
[16:04] <BUGabundo> there you go
[16:04] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[16:04] <BUGabundo> now, who can tell me what is availble to manage startup services?
[16:04] <BUGabundo> do would inet.d tools work ?
[16:04] <BUGabundo> s/would/old/
[16:05] <yofel> that's what I was wondering too, some upstart scripts have runlevel references, but I don't get how that works now...
[16:05] <BUGabundo> I need a GUI for dummies
[16:06] <BUGabundo> I want to close down ALL my inicial services, I have installed and only use on occation
[16:06] <BUGabundo> a search in synaptic reveals only ONE tool for it
[16:06] <BUGabundo> and its startup
[16:06] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:06] <BUGabundo> wb nhandler
[16:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I was asking yesterday on #ubuntu about this, since I was fighting with ssh, and it seems there isn't an equivalent of update-rc.d for upstart and there isn't something that integrates the two
[16:09] <BUGabundo> penguin42: :(((((
[16:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: This seems nuts since you somehow have to magically know which one a particular service is
[16:10] <BUGabundo> ehe
[16:11] <BUGabundo> well guess ill go hardcore
[16:11] <BUGabundo> and manually change links in RCs
[16:17] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Well for the rc.x dirs there's always update-rc.d but that won't help you for upstart
[16:18] <yofel> BUGabundo: i fear you'll have to edit the 'start/stop on ...' parts of the init scripts...
[16:19] <BluesKaj> one can use the rcconf app to make rc*d links easier
[16:19] <BluesKaj> !rcconf
[16:19] <BUGabundo> errr
[16:19] <BluesKaj> the bot doesn't have any info
[16:19] <BUGabundo> each seem worse
[16:36] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, for regular rc service you can use sysv-rc-conf, for upstart afaik you will need to disable them manually
[16:36] <joaopinto> it's becoming a common complain these days, services management
[16:38] <penguin42> it seems odd, other distros have had a little services dialog for many many years
[16:40] <joaopinto> those tools are not upstart aware
[16:40] <BUGabundo> right
[16:50] <penguin42> yeh sure
[16:52] <BluesKaj> that kpackagekit service daemon is a pita ...first to be disabled on my setup
[16:53] <BluesKaj> and why the powerdevil is default on my desktop is another
[16:54] <BluesKaj> anyway , time for the daily walk ..BBL
[17:09] <bjsnider> joaopinto, is there a gui tool under development to resolve that issue?
[17:11] <joaopinto> bjsnider, I remember reading something about the gnome utility needing to worked, but I don't know if anyone is working on that
[17:35] <BUGabundo> there
[17:35] <BUGabundo> rc2 and rc5 hacked up
[17:35] <BUGabundo> with losts of 'k's now :D
[18:23] <nperry> When did plymouth replace usplash
[18:23] <nperry> Cant seem to a thread on forums
[19:11] <soee> hi
[19:11] <BUGabundo> soee: hi
[19:15] <dupondje> any list with planned changes for Lucid ?
[19:16] <joaopinto> I hate not having fglrx :\
[19:16] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: :p
[19:16] <BUGabundo> get nvidia
[19:17] <BUGabundo> dupondje: check technical overview wiki page
[19:17] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx
[19:29] <bjsnider> joaopinto, you mean in the sense that it doesn't support the latest instable kernel? or you have old hardware?
[19:34] <joaopinto> bjsnider,  latest kernel
[19:36] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, how goes it?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: head bashing with rssh
[19:42] <BUGabundo> and you ?
[19:43] <billybigrigger> thinking of taking the dive into +1 today
[19:43] <BUGabundo> eheh billybigrigger
[19:43] <BUGabundo> we welcome you with arms wide open
[19:43] <BUGabundo> X is broken though
[19:43] <billybigrigger> the x.10 cycles are no good for me, i'm not around my computer much this time of year
[19:43]  * BUGabundo stupid rssh
[19:43] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: why so ?
[19:44] <billybigrigger> because it's winter here in canada, and this is my busy season for work
[19:44] <billybigrigger> oil rigs are just starting to fire up so ya...not home too much
[19:45] <billybigrigger> nv driver is totally broken i see from the notes...have to revert to vesa? bah
[19:45] <billybigrigger> ^^^ no good
[19:45] <crimsun> if you want Xv or 3D, yes, "nv" is broken.
[19:45] <crimsun> if you only care about 2D, "nv" is fine.
[19:45] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ppa seems to be in better shape
[19:46] <BUGabundo> I must be doing something very stupid, or the docs are wrong... :(
[19:47] <BUGabundo> I've set the user shell to use rssh, set the properties in rssh.conf for that user, and it still wonder around my system :(
[19:51] <billybigrigger> still wonders around your system? so what, are you trying to chroot that shell user or what?
[19:51] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: trying to have it chroot to /usr/local/chroot/
[19:51] <BUGabundo> but with SSH
[19:52] <BUGabundo> maybe I'm reading this wrong
[19:52] <BUGabundo> and rssh only does scp
[19:53] <billybigrigger> hah, brb, need to go tow mom's car out of the back alley
[19:53]  * billybigrigger loves snow
[19:54] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I bet she loves to have you as a son :D
[19:54] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, there are better options ot rssh, like an apparmored ssh profile
[19:54] <BUGabundo> tell me then :D
[19:55] <BUGabundo> if I'm going to expose access to my machine to "someone" I rather have it confined
[19:55] <crimsun> does "someone" absolutely need a shell?
[19:56] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, http://penguindroppings.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/serving-up-sftp-and-apparmor/
[19:56] <BUGabundo> crimsun: "I" do
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I'll be accessing this machine from another place
[19:57] <BUGabundo> but only to browse a few docs and file dirs
[19:57] <BUGabundo> thanks joaopinto
[20:04] <BUGabundo> some one did a bad math on the battery widget
[20:04] <BUGabundo> mine goes from 0.0 to 1.0
[20:04] <BUGabundo> its currently at 9.5
[20:04] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:04] <BUGabundo> I guess its x10 :D
[20:05] <crimsun> that sounds like a combination of devicekit-power not scaling the information and/or the batter widget not handling out-of-scale
[20:05] <joaopinto> is it just me or gdm ramdomly fails to start ?
[20:06] <joaopinto> frequenrely I need to manually start it from a tty
[20:08] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: not here
[20:08] <joaopinto> hum, odd, it might be X driver related
[20:57] <BUGabundo> crimsun: I jumped to a TTY, jumped back to X, and lost all sound. how can I restore it ?
[20:58] <crimsun> not nearly enough info.
[20:58] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:59] <crimsun> what does ck-list-sessions give you?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> ok just tell me what's the best way to restart it
[20:59] <crimsun> don't paste it here
[20:59] <crimsun> don't pastebin it
[20:59] <crimsun> privmsg it
[21:00] <BUGabundo> crimsun: im
[21:28] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:28] <slacker_nl> will 10.04 lts convert legacy grub to grub2?
[21:29] <XiXaQ> karmic uses grub2. What do you mean?
[21:29] <yofel> I think he means on upgrade
[21:29] <slacker_nl> yes
[21:29] <Ketsuban> Hm. Rhythmbox crashes when trying to display a status icon.
[21:30] <slacker_nl> I have karmic with legacy grub
[21:30] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: it might be converted on upgrade, but probably not
[21:30] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: also Grub legacy is fine really
[21:30] <slacker_nl> debian upgraded from legacy to grub2 if you switch from stable to testing
[21:30] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: well it might happen then
[21:31] <sebsebseb> ,but Grub Legacy is fine really
[21:31] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: i know
[21:40] <crimsun> BUGabundo: line 41 of your paste. D: module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: no
[21:41] <crimsun> BUGabundo: if PA can't control the mixer, it will bail that card (for good reason)
[21:41] <BUGabundo> log out, login, crimsun, and all got fixed
[21:41] <BUGabundo> its just proves I can't avoid reboot in alphas :D
[21:42] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I suspect some app you're using refuses to play nicely with PA
[21:42] <crimsun> Knotify?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> exaile most prob
[21:42] <BUGabundo> it was after it, prob started
[21:44] <Ketsuban> The inability to put Rhythmbox in the notification area is annoying.
[21:45] <crimsun> isn't that a plugin?
[21:46] <Ketsuban> Yes, but when I try to use it it either doesn't make a notification icon or crashes.
[21:46] <Ketsuban> I tick the box and I get this warning in the console: ** (rhythmbox:1837): WARNING **: Unable to create Ayatana Watcher proxy!  Could not get owner of name 'org.ayatana.indicator.application': no such name
[21:46] <Ketsuban> And then I untick and tick it again and the application crashes with this message: * ERROR **: Failed to register GObject with DBusConnection
[21:48] <BluesKaj> openssh is broken on my setup , I can ssh into my other linuxbox in the cli , but that restricts access to displaying the files I'm after...any ideas
[21:48] <BluesKaj> ?
[21:51] <BluesKaj> oops
[21:51] <BUGabundo> anyone wants to package Retroshare ?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ^^^^^
[21:56] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what the #$%^& is retroshare?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> networkless IM and file transfer app
[21:56] <BUGabundo> they a deb... why not a PPA ?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> guess ill popup on their #
[21:57] <bjsnider> is it in upstream deian?
[21:57] <bjsnider> debian i mean
[21:57] <BUGabundo> couldn't find it
[21:58] <bjsnider> how mature is it?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> dunno
[22:00] <BUGabundo> just learned about it 4 min ago
[22:00] <BUGabundo> while reading N2N docs
[22:00] <bjsnider> you just learned about it 4 minutes ago and you already need it packaged?
[22:00] <bjsnider> how can IM and file transfer be done without a network?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> N2N :D
[22:01] <BUGabundo> not networkless, but serverless
[22:01] <BUGabundo> sorry
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> hey all, is there a way to tell devede where mplayer is?
[22:01] <bjsnider> devede?
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> its in my $PATH but devede still says it can't find it
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> !info devede
[22:02] <bjsnider> find out where it's looking and create a symlink
[22:03] <bjsnider> but it's pretty broken if it can't find it in your path
[22:04] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that sounds a bit like bittorrent with magnet links
[22:04] <bjsnider> or dht
[22:04] <BUGabundo> yes, it uses DHT
[22:05] <bjsnider> just finished packaging vdpauinfo for the first time. but this thing should be folded in to libvdpau
[22:06] <oldude67> well i noticed today that i should of rebooted the computer yesterday as i did today and lost x again and had to do a update to get it back...what was they working on nv or nouveau?
[22:07] <oldude67> what is the irc help channel as well?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: can I test that?
[22:08] <bjsnider> hold on a few minutes while i get it into the lucid section
[22:09] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, it depends on libvdpau1, which you might not have
[22:09] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:09] <BUGabundo> or are filled with good suprises
[22:11] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, devede looks for ffmpeg and usually it's in /usr/bin , bt try /usr/local/bin
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: it only moans about mplayer, i'll check it
[22:12] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, they all use ffmpeg
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> yeah its there, i symlinked it
[22:13]  * ActionParsnip installs ffmpeg
[22:13] <BluesKaj> or you copy it to usr/bin
[22:13] <BluesKaj> even
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> i'm just gonna comment the line to check if mplayer is installed
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> its there the check just fails
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> i'll log a bug when i get it nailed
[22:15] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg is a very easy to use cli app ...it has a lot of uses
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> i'm making a dvd iso from avis
[22:16] <BluesKaj> check the ffmpeg man , you.ll see how to dvd from avi
[22:16] <BluesKaj> brb
[22:19] <bjsnider> why do such a thing?
[22:19] <bjsnider> set-top players can play avi files
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> im after chapters etc as its multiple wrestling matches
[22:23] <BluesKaj> avimerge ia another tool i use to join avi files together to make on large file for dvd
[22:24] <BluesKaj> one large file
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> yeah but when its mukltiple matches, chapters are hugely advantageous
[22:25] <BluesKaj> wrestling ...uhmm okaay
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> yeya boi :D
[22:27] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Plus some people would rather click 3 buttons instead of typing 200 hard to remember characters :)
[22:28]  * Amaranth remembers making DVDs by writing out XML files by hand
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> if theres an app which can handle chapter creation then let me know. I use CLI more than gui stuff
[22:28] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: ehe
[22:28] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, ready for testing
[22:28] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, ffmpeg or avimerge ?
[22:28] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[22:29] <Amaranth> oh, ffmpeg, right :)
[22:29] <BUGabundo> sure why not
[22:29] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, avidemux ?
[22:29] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, do you have libvdpau1 or not?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> checking
[22:29] <Amaranth> well, ffmpeg is easy enough to use but then you have to use dvdauthor too which takes an XML file and spits out a folder that you then have to pack into an ISO file which you then have to burn
[22:30] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[22:30] <BUGabundo>   libvdpau1: Conflicts: nvidia-libvdpau which is a virtual package.
[22:30] <BUGabundo> The following packages are BROKEN:  libvdpau1
[22:30] <bjsnider> right. there is no longer an nvidia-libvdpau package
[22:30] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, why make an iso , it's not necessary
[22:31] <BUGabundo> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[22:31] <BUGabundo> Remove the following packages:
[22:31] <BUGabundo> nvidia-glx-185
[22:31] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: well, no
[22:31] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: removing my driver is not a good idea :D
[22:31] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: but it's handy to have if I want to burn more than one copy
[22:31] <bjsnider> BUGabundo,  the drivers in the ppa work
[22:32] <BUGabundo> last time I tried that, I had to manually scp debs in an revert X
[22:32] <BUGabundo> so I have to upgrade to PPA 190 ?
[22:33] <bjsnider> you can use any of the 3
[22:45] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, I haven't used dvdauthor for a while , since using tovid to make dvds when devede was too unstable to be reliable
[23:00] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, a new to me app that uses a gui and if you don't mind a java written app, then Varsha might fit some needs, http://varsha.sourceforge.net/
[23:07] <BluesKaj> my problem is fixing openssh ...seems to be broken using the network wizard , which I prefer for displaying files on our linuxboxes
[23:39] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: ugly :/
[23:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[23:48] <komputes> _Groo_: hi
[23:49] <_Groo_> hi komputes