[00:13] <oorah> Rigormortis, you can make a live usb also
[00:15] <Rigormortis> oorah: yeah, I was using a live usb at first. But the install application crashed whenever I tried to launch it. I check the logs and there were warnings about the system being out of memory.
[00:16] <psycho_oreos> how much is your memory currently?
[00:17] <Rigormortis> the system has a 256MB card installed, but due to the video chip it is slightly less than that (comes in at around 240 something)
[00:19] <oorah> oh an video card is integrated, that sucks
[00:19] <psycho_oreos> 256? that is pretty puny
[00:20] <psycho_oreos> more like video chip than video card
[00:20] <oorah> my parent's computer has 128 ram running xp
[00:20] <oorah> oh ok
[00:20] <psycho_oreos> xp != linux
[00:20] <oorah> huh?
[00:21] <vinnl> That means XP is not the same as Linux distributions :P
[00:21] <psycho_oreos> just because xp can run on 128MB don't expect linux (particularly xubuntu) to do the same
[00:21] <likemindead> Yikes!
[00:21] <likemindead> Max that RAM out!
[00:22] <oorah> mine has 1 gig
[00:22] <oorah> msi wind u100
[00:22] <oorah> intel atom
[00:22] <Rigormortis> well, that's the thing. I work at a high school and we've got about 30 of these laptops that we are going to be giving away. We plan on installing Xubuntu on them beforehand so the system is not completely useless to someone who doesn't know how to install an operating system.
[00:22] <Rigormortis> Xubuntu's system requirements say that it needs only 128MB of ram.
[00:23] <oorah> with 1 gig ram here and atom processor Xubuntu runs really well on it
[00:23] <oorah> i can open every app i have and it still runs fine
[00:24]  * psycho_oreos thinks that is probably slowly getting outdated.. 128MB of ram.. and that probably doesn't include running many heavy apps
[00:24] <likemindead> Xubuntu will run smoothly with 512MB+ in my experience.
[00:24] <vinnl> Rigormortis, where does it say that?
[00:25] <likemindead> I always just max out the RAM on my machines because it's the cheapest way to get the most out of a machine.
[00:25] <vinnl> Oh wait
[00:25] <vinnl> 128 is really exceptional, it's explicitly noted that it's not recommended
[00:25] <vinnl> So that means "it will run but it will be excruciatingly painful" :P
[00:25] <Rigormortis> yeah. These systems have slightly under 256MB.
[00:26] <psycho_oreos> likemindead, ditto, mine xubuntu setup is on 4gb ram
[00:27] <likemindead> Nice!
[00:27] <likemindead> 64-bit, I assume?
[00:27] <psycho_oreos> likemindead, its capable of running 64bit but no I refuse to run 64bit
[00:27] <nwadawg> likemindead:  ty for the link earlier
[00:27] <Rigormortis> I don't expect it to be the best computer ever. But I figure that a basic Xubuntu install is more useful to someone with limited computer experience than "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER".
[00:28] <oorah> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[00:28] <vinnl> Rigormortis, true, though you might look at other systems that will run better at them (but won't really be as good)
[00:29] <oorah> i saw a laptop for sale at electronic express for $119
[00:29] <oorah> the screen was only 6 or 7 inches and had no hard drive lol it had xp
[00:29] <nwadawg> i run into something Xubuntu on a old dell laptop, xubuntu would not install (low ram), I tired Madbox. it installed great
[00:29] <oorah> it was a sylvania, looked cheaply made
[00:29] <Rigormortis> well, Xubuntu should run fine. I meet the requirements. Its like I said earlier. My problem is that during the "Select and install software" step, the installation fails.   The log file mentions that firefox-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-all have unmet dependencies (firefox-3.5-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-ati, respectively).
[00:30] <oorah> nwadawg, whats madbox?
[00:30] <vinnl> Rigormortis, ah
[00:30] <vinnl> Rigormortis, what version is that?
[00:30] <oorah> Rigormortis, try the graphical installer
[00:30] <Rigormortis> It is Xubuntu 9.10 alternate. I'm running from the alternate install CD.
[00:31] <nwadawg> http://www.ad-comp.be/
[00:31] <vinnl> Hmm
[00:31] <Rigormortis> The graphical installer crashes, as I mentioned earlier the log files go on about being out of memory.
[00:31] <vinnl> You could indeed try using the Desktop CD with just the installer
[00:31] <vinnl> That should run with less memory
[00:31] <oorah> how can a laptop have an os installed when it has no hard drive?
[00:31] <Rigormortis> Also, this is being installed from a flash drive
[00:32] <vinnl> Rigormortis, have you tried just selecting Install instead of "Start and install Xubuntu" (or whatever it's called?)
[00:32] <oorah> imo flash drive ismost recommended. evern rw discs get too scratched up over time and with a flash drive scratches aren't an issue lol
[00:33] <oorah> Rigormortis, try the regular cd
[00:34] <Rigormortis> I have tried the regular CD. The installer crashes, syslog mentions being out of memory.
[00:34] <oorah> oh i see
[00:34] <oorah> Rigormortis, have you tried net install?
[00:34] <Rigormortis> vinnl: Although, I haven't tried the method you said yet.
[00:34] <vinnl> Rigormortis, try that, it's even mentioned on xubuntu.org/get#requirements :)
[00:35] <Rigormortis> I'll give it a shot
[00:42] <oorah> Mark Schuttleworth stepped down as Ubuntu CEO
[00:42] <likemindead> THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
[00:42] <oorah> Jane Silber is the CEO now
[00:42] <oorah> Mark wants to focus on the development aspect
[01:53] <Rigormortis> Using the plain install option from the LiveCD worked perfectly. The system is now up and running Xubuntu just fine! Thanks a bunch to all of you.
[02:12] <oorah> yw
[02:13] <oorah> :)
[03:30] <oorah> howdy yall
[03:31] <oorah> !help
[03:33] <oorah> !ubottu
[03:33] <oorah> !xubuntu
[03:34] <oorah> !windows
[03:34] <oorah> !bsd
[03:34] <ndr01d> I;m having touble with editting menus
[03:34] <oorah> ndr01d, whats the problem?
[03:35] <ndr01d> i can't edit the app menu...
[03:36] <ndr01d> i have d/l edit menu from add/remove progs - but to no avail...
[03:36] <oorah> ndr01d, oh i never do that, i just add icons to the panel
[03:36] <ndr01d> yes, but there are some apps I want, but not to show up on the menu...
[03:37] <ndr01d> on ubuntu I would just right click of the app menu...
[03:37] <oorah> ndr01d, http://tinyurl.com/yap4kyl lol
[03:38] <oorah> well, i thought it was humorous. hope that helped
[03:38] <ndr01d> thanks for the comic relief =)
[03:40] <oorah> im looking for that info
[03:40] <_Techie_> ndr01d, from memory xfce doesnt like altered menu's
[03:40] <ndr01d> oh...
[03:40] <ndr01d> ;(
[03:41] <oorah> i'll look anyway
[03:41] <oorah> maybe its part of a minimalist DE perhaps but still digging
[03:42] <ndr01d> do I have to alter the menu.xml?
[03:43] <_Techie_> from memory yes
[03:43] <_Techie_> !raptors
[03:43] <_Techie_> !pickup
[03:43] <ndr01d> I don't really want to but I may have to
[03:44] <_Techie_> !fakefact
[03:45] <oorah> !xubuntu edit menu
[03:45] <_Techie_> !bunnies
[03:45] <_Techie_> aww, they removed the entry
[03:45] <ndr01d> what about adding to the panel (not a launch button - but a running app)?
[03:47] <_Techie_> !point
[03:48] <oorah> from what i've read you have to edit menus manually
[03:48] <oorah> which sounds complicated and dangerous lol
[03:48] <_Techie_> now remember kids, always keep backups
[03:48] <ndr01d> too right oorah
[03:48] <oorah> ndr01d, "We have to go in manually, there's no time for lubricant"
[03:49] <oorah> "THERE'S ALWAYS TIME FOR LUBRICANT!"
[03:49] <oorah> mars attacks quote, sorry lol
[03:49] <oorah> oops i meant evolution
[03:49] <oorah> not mars attacks
[03:50] <ndr01d> =]
[03:51] <ndr01d> found a web page...http to follow
[03:51] <ndr01d> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
[03:51] <ndr01d> this seems like the trick
[03:52] <oorah> i thought my retro movie quote was funny lol
[03:52] <oorah> lemme look also thanks
[03:53] <oorah> looks messy lol
[03:53] <ndr01d> its a bit old school -2006
[03:54] <ndr01d> but I don't think too much has changed...
[03:54] <oorah> oh ok
[03:54] <ndr01d> has it?
[03:54] <oorah> i think i'll be happy with my editable panels lol good enough for me
[03:55] <oorah> i prefer speed of xfce over customizing gnome/kde any day
[03:55] <ndr01d> same
[03:55] <oorah> i recently tried kde for the first time in about 2 years, its gotten worse, and i'd honestly rather use windows desktop sad to say
[03:56] <oorah> can you imagine typing what you're looking for in kpackagekit (synaptic) and nothing come up, like type flash, and see nothing at all?
[03:56] <oorah> maybe i'm just spoiled by gnome and xfce
[03:57] <ndr01d> would it be OK to say KDE = NESB developers = ugly/not user friendly
[03:57] <ndr01d> NESB = Non English Speaking Background
[03:57] <oorah> oh ok
[03:58] <oorah> how come in kpackagekit ya can't type flash, and find flash? lol
[03:58] <ndr01d> maybe KDE is OK in <not English>...
[03:58] <oorah> i know this is xubuntu channel, just harping on why i love xfce and gnome DE
[04:01] <oorah> guess what
[04:01] <ndr01d> whaaat
[04:01] <oorah> people may think i'm crazy, i installed epiphany and removed firefox :O
[04:02] <ndr01d> Shiretoko = my choice
[04:02] <ndr01d> Its just such a cool name
[04:06] <_Techie_> aye aye aye, just call it firefox
[04:08] <oorah> whats shiretoko? and call what firefox?
[04:09] <_Techie_> shiretoko = firefox
[04:12] <cannonfodder> okay...i give...how do I attach thunar to remote SMB and NFS shares on servers on the network?
[04:13] <cannonfodder> its not CTRL-L, I've tried....
[04:16] <oorah> which is probably better? epiphany or midori?
[04:16] <oorah> they're both 100/100 on acid test
[04:40] <oorah> ubottu you're on my friends list now :)
[04:40] <oorah> you seem intelligent lol
[04:46] <genii> !best
[04:47] <oorah> !BestBot
[04:47] <oorah> !bestbot
[04:49] <oorah> !panic
[04:50] <genii> Hm. Peculiar fellow
[07:12] <joeismyname> hi
[07:12] <joeismyname> I have mutimedia keys problem
[07:13] <joeismyname> I just installed xubuntu via just sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:13] <joeismyname> is there any other packages I need to get it to work?
[07:20] <joeismyname> esekeyd - multimedia keyboard daemon for Linux
[07:20] <joeismyname> hotkeys - A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X
[07:20] <joeismyname> is it one of those packages
[07:40] <joeismyname> ??
[08:08] <syrius> coolz
[12:04] <pegassus> hi, hola hello
[12:05] <knome> !hi | pegassus
[12:05] <knome> ...right
[12:07] <pegassus> algun usuario en español
[12:07] <pegassus> ???
[12:07] <knome> !es
[12:08] <pegassus> para xubuntu en español???
[12:08] <knome> pegassus, i don't undestand spanish, but please ask #ubuntu-es in spanish
[12:08] <knome> pegassus, you can also ask about xubuntu.
[12:09] <pegassus> ho ok
[12:10] <pegassus> i want to login in my xubuntu om kde destop, how??
[12:11] <knome> just select xfce session on kdm.
[12:12] <pegassus> xfce is my default desktop or theme but i want to enter on KDE
[12:13] <_Pete_> pegassus: on login screen
[12:13] <_Pete_> there's menu from you can choose desktop enviroment
[12:13] <knome> pegassus, then select kde session on gdm.
[12:13] <knome> pegassus, please do ask #ubuntu-es :P
[12:13] <pegassus> ho ok thanks , I disabled
[12:14] <knome> pegassus, it's probably easier if somebody can explain it in spanish
[12:14] <pegassus> no prob, thanks
[12:14] <pegassus> now I know
[12:15] <pegassus> bye
[12:15] <knome> o/
[12:46] <bittin^> Hello anyone know how i do a list off my installed Debian packages with dpkg into a textfile?
[12:49] <djura-san> there is one trick
[12:49] <djura-san> wait a sec
[12:52] <djura-san> hmmm. it seams that is errased that command
[12:52] <djura-san> i was keeping it in txt file but its gone now
[12:52] <djura-san> so it should be something like
[12:52] <djura-san> dpkg -i > out_file
[12:52] <djura-san> or somethig like that
[12:53] <djura-san> aha
[12:53] <djura-san> there is one web page about that
[12:53] <djura-san> get selections is the option
[12:53] <djura-san> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/clone-your-ubuntu-installation.html
[12:53] <djura-san> :)
[12:55] <bittin^> http://bittin.linuxuser.se/HilleLinuxpackages.txt got it to work :)
[14:08] <Besogon> !paste
[16:27] <javatexan> morning all...I have made a launcher on the desktop and I would like to add it to the panel....Click drag doesn't work, how do I do it?
[16:28] <djura-san> right click on panel ->  add new items
[16:29] <djura-san> choose launcher
[16:29] <djura-san> or whatever you want
[16:30] <javatexan> okay...that got, I was sure it was something easy...just had to figure out what it wanted....Thanks
[16:31] <djura-san> well it is easy
[16:31] <djura-san> what kind o launcher did you placed on desktop?
[16:31] <djura-san> *of
[17:12] <knome> hey, is there a way to download images from a canon camera without installing a GUI app?
[17:17] <knome> the answer: gphoto2
[17:17] <knome> hey j1mc :)
[17:23] <j1mc> knome: howdy
[18:15] <gabriel> howdy!
[18:16] <gabriel> Anyone out there?
[18:33] <mclur3> anyone here using 9.10 with xubuntu on an eee 901?
[18:33] <knome> mclur3, i'm runnin jaunty, but feel free to ask
[18:34] <mclur3> knome: the network card doesn't work, and graphics is choppy (after a clean install)
[18:34] <mclur3> acpi doesn't work either
[18:34] <mclur3> hm
[18:34] <knome> mclur3, have you installed the array.org kernel?
[18:35] <mclur3> knome: nope. any guide you can recommend?
[18:35] <knome> mclur3, see http://array.org/ubuntu/
[18:35] <knome> mclur3, you just have to enable the repositories and install the eeepc kernel package
[18:35] <knome> mclur3, that should make everything (at least when talking about HW) wokring
[18:35] <knome> *working
[18:36] <mclur3> neither wired or wireless connection works
[18:36] <mclur3> at the moment. using another computer
[18:36] <knome> oh? that's weird.
[18:36] <mclur3> yep
[18:37] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/add-applications/C/offline.html
[18:38] <mclur3> the array karmic kernel is not completed yet it seems
[20:52] <oorah> what does albatross mean?
[20:56] <knome> oorah, albatross is a bird and the default xubuntu theme
[21:28] <oorah> knome, oh ok thanks
[21:29] <oorah> knome, didn't the mouse use to be the theme? is the albatross bird significant in some way?
[21:54] <likemindead> http://www.8bitchristmas.com/
[21:55] <likemindead> Errr.... sorry. Wrong window. But go to it anyways!
[22:01] <oorah> what is the name of the developers channel?
[22:06] <knome> oorah, #xubuntu-devel