[14:46] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:59] <mccord42> good morning.  I have a question about setting up edubuntu for my preschool aged kids
[15:00] <sbalneav> !ask
[15:00] <mccord42> I installed from the dvd but I see no way to set up the young kids interface that I have seen on some screenshots on the edubuntu web page
[15:00] <mccord42> I am setting up a stand alone system
[15:01] <mccord42> I created a second user that isn't an admin but it has the default desktop
[15:01] <sbalneav> On the screenshots page? A lot of those shots are from gCompris
[15:02] <sbalneav> Applications -> Education -> Education Suite Gcompris
[15:02] <mccord42> I'm trying to set up a very simple interface for a 3-4 year old.  any ideas?
[15:03] <sbalneav> Well, I don't think there's any desktop manager systems specifically designed for your people...
[15:04] <sbalneav> so, if I were you, I'd simply set up icons on the desktop, and make 'em big...
[15:04] <sbalneav> So it's easy for little fingers to point-n-click
[15:05] <sbalneav> sorry, s/your/young/
[15:06] <sbalneav> Also, I'd put everything on one panel (the bars at the top and bottom), and make the panels bigger
[15:06] <sbalneav> that will make the icons on them larger as well.
[15:09] <mccord42> so what do the ubuntu-edu-preschool, primary, secondary, etc packages do?
[15:09] <sbalneav> They're meta-packages.
[15:09] <sbalneav> When you install them, they, in turn, install other packages
[15:10] <sbalneav> sbalneav@3jane:~$ aptitude show ubuntu-edu-preschool
[15:10] <sbalneav> Depends: gcompris, gcompris-data, kanagram, khangman, ktuberling, tuxpaint, tuxpaint-data, tuxpaint-stamps-default
[15:10] <sbalneav> so, installing ubuntu-edu-preschool will install gcompris, khangman, ktuberling, tuxpaint, etc.
[15:11] <sbalneav> if you do an "aptitude show <pkgname>", and look at the "Depends" line, you'll see what they pull in.
[15:11] <mccord42> ah, but if all the meta packages were installed during the initial install and you remove them, the other packages they installed do not get uninstalled?
[15:11] <sbalneav> No
[15:11] <sbalneav> I don't beleive so.
[15:13] <mccord42> so what is the recommended way to install a system for preschool kids?  so that all the other packages don't get installed?
[15:14] <sbalneav> I think the dvd ships everything by default.
[15:15] <mccord42> should I just do a standard ubuntu install and then install edubuntu from the repositories?
[15:15] <sbalneav> There's extra stuff on there, but like I say, if you just create icons on the desktop for the stuff your little one needs, they'll never see it in the menus.
[15:16] <sbalneav> You can do it that way as well.
[15:16] <sbalneav> All edubuntu is is just Ubuntu with different default package selections.
[15:17] <mccord42> yeah, I see that now. I thought it had a couple different interface setups. but I guess I'll be doing that part myself. :)
[15:17] <sbalneav> But, having two teenagers of my own, I know kids grow up ;) Why not leave all the stuff on there, and as they grow, the systems grows with them?
[15:17] <sbalneav> mccord42: We've always just used standard gnome.
[15:18] <sbalneav> I think there are Sugar packages available, but I'm not sure.
[15:20] <mccord42> I hate to sound like i'm ripping on a free product, but I think I see why childsplay isn't part of edubuntu.  I wonder who's idea it was to make the users type in their name to use a program that looks to be designed for 2-4 year olds?
[15:22] <sbalneav> Type in what name? Their userid?
[15:23] <sbalneav> You can certainly set up gdm to autologin
[15:24] <sbalneav> and childsplay IS available as an installable package.
[15:30] <mccord42> I know gdm will auto login. :) I meant childsplay won't open without entering a name.
[15:33] <sbalneav> I'd expect, if you can't just somehow pass a preconfig to childsplay to tell it the name, that it wouldn't be that hard to patch it to pull the name from the GECOS field of the /etc/passwd file.
[15:34] <sbalneav> simple getpwent($USER) should solve that.
[15:34] <sbalneav> I'll bring it up at the next council meeting.  Perhaps we could officially support childsplay as a desktop environment.
[15:45] <highvoltage> hi sbalneav
[15:46] <sbalneav> Morning highvoltage
[15:47] <sbalneav> highvoltage: When's our next meeeeeeeting?
[15:47] <stgraber> sbalneav: waiting for the CC to announce the new EC, should happen quite soon
[15:47] <stgraber> then we'll have a meeting for sure
[15:48] <sbalneav> Did anyone vote for me? :)
[15:48] <stgraber> we all received 6 votes in favor, none against
[15:49] <sbalneav> Lol, well, at least 6 people like us :)
[15:49] <sbalneav> And nobody actively hates us :)
[15:49] <sbalneav> We're in the black!
[15:51] <highvoltage> sbalneav: heh :)
[15:51] <mccord42> hmm, I may try the netbook remix gnome interface on my kids edubuntu computer.  It's very icon heavy.  Will probably be good for prereaders
[15:52] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I finally subscribed to the ltsp-developer mailing list, all these years I thought there was only the -discuss list
[15:52] <stgraber> hehe
[18:34] <Ahmuck-Sr> yes, i've wondered about the remix interface
[18:35] <Ahmuck-Sr> interfaces are key to winning new users
[18:35] <Ahmuck-Sr> anybody using google chrome?
[18:36] <pleia2> congrats on your new council :)
[18:44] <jbicha> congratulations new council members!
[18:53] <stgraber> thanks
[18:54] <Ahmuck-Sr> new council ?
[18:54]  * Ahmuck-Sr musta missed a meeting
[18:54] <alkisg> Yup, congrats to all :)
[18:54] <Ahmuck-Sr> nubae apply ?
[18:54] <highvoltage> yay, we should schedule a meeting
[18:58] <sbalneav> \o/
[18:58] <stgraber> yep, is Wednesday too soon ? should we wait till after the holidays ?
[18:58] <sbalneav> highvoltage: here, was out at lunch
[18:59] <highvoltage> I don't think wednesday is too soon
[18:59] <highvoltage> better do it earlier than later I think
[19:00] <sbalneav> Agreed.
[19:02] <stgraber> ok, so let's do it on Wednesday
[19:03] <stgraber> highvoltage: can you do the anouncement ?
[19:03] <stgraber> (I've got a meeting just now)
[19:04] <highvoltage> stgraber: 18:00 UTC?
[19:05] <stgraber> highvoltage: 19UTC would be better for me, 18UTC is just the end of my lunch break
[19:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok
[19:08] <stgraber> alkisg, sbalneav, nixternal: is it ok for you too ?
[19:08] <alkisg> It's ok for me...
[19:08] <sbalneav> 18:00 utc is a-ok for me.
[19:09] <sbalneav> Thunderbirds are go!
[19:09] <stgraber> actually, we were more talking 19:00UTC though I can probably arrange to be around at 18:00UTC if 19:00 is an issue to anyone
[19:09] <nixternal> stgraber: works for me
[19:10] <nixternal> anything between 16:00 UTC and 07:00 UTC is perfect
[19:15] <stgraber> highvoltage: I booked you in the office calendar.
[19:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: great
[19:17] <sbalneav> highvoltage: You in Canada?
[19:18] <highvoltage> sbalneav: not yet
[19:18] <stgraber> sbalneav: unfortunately not yet, immigration is a pain ...
[19:20] <sbalneav> Bummer.
[19:20] <sbalneav> Who's the holdup? Canada?
[19:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: well, my police clearance certificate took a whole month
[19:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I thought it would take just a day
[19:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: that was the biggest hold-up, I have all the necessary documentation now so I'll be posting it to the embassy tomorrow morning
[19:21] <sbalneav> Serves you right for knocking over that bank, and the international diamond smuggling ring you used to run. :)
[19:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ps: the people at work don't know what Canada is, they just know Quebec :)
[19:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ssh
[19:22] <stgraber> highvoltage: not true for eveyone :) but indeed a lot of us only know Quebec and didn't have to go through the federal stuff
[19:22] <highvoltage> stgraber: yeah I know :)
[19:22] <sbalneav> Well, Quebec is a distinct society, after all <ducks>
[19:22] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah ok
[19:23] <highvoltage> I called some people "Canadians" and they said "we're not canadians! we're Québécois!"
[19:24] <highvoltage> they meant it tongue-in-cheek, of course, but it's still funny :)
[19:24] <sbalneav> Just make sure to prominently wear a Canadian Flag on St. Jean Baptiste day, and you'll be fine :)
[19:24] <stgraber> I guess half of the office considers themselves Quebecois and the other half Canadian (for the Canadian employes obviously ;))
[19:24] <highvoltage> what day is that?
[19:25] <stgraber> sbalneav: hehe :)
[19:25] <stgraber> highvoltage: 24th of June IIRC
[19:25] <highvoltage> well, nothing wrong with a little bit of national pride :)
[19:27] <sbalneav> hahhahahaha
[19:28] <sbalneav> stgraber: ah, he has so much to learn, eh?
[19:28] <sbalneav> highvoltage: There's an old joke in Canada
[19:29] <sbalneav> "Why is your money different colours?"
[19:29] <highvoltage> sbalneav: just one!?
[19:29] <sbalneav> "Because our beer actually has alcohol in it!" :)
[19:29] <sbalneav> So, c'mon over, and have a beer :)
[19:29] <highvoltage> heh. canada has higher alcahol levels? how much?
[19:30] <sbalneav> We just need one more member of the edubuntu council to move to canada, then we can proceed with the master plan of renaming edubuntu to Canabuntu :)
[19:30] <sbalneav> Ooops, did I say that out loud?
[19:30] <sbalneav> These aren't the droids you're looking for.
[19:30] <sbalneav> Move along.
[19:30] <Ahmuck-Sr> wouldn't it be Canbuntu?
[19:31] <sbalneav> Nah, needs one more syllable
[19:31] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Lots of beers start at 5.
[19:32] <sbalneav> It's not hard to find beers with 6+
[19:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: the beer I usually try here is between 6 and 9 %
[19:32] <stgraber> it can go up to 11-12 and there is some weird stuff with even more :)
[19:32] <highvoltage> wow I've never had beer with 9% alcahol level before!
[19:32] <highvoltage> I think the highest we get here is 6.5
[19:33] <highvoltage> (and if you even have just half a beer like that you're not allowed to drive otherwise you go to jail)
[19:35] <stgraber> highvoltage: it's 0.08% here, not 0.05% as you have in South Africa (and I had in Switzerland)
[19:35] <sbalneav> Well, same here.
[19:36] <sbalneav> I think the legal limit works out to one full 5% beer.
[19:36]  * alkisg is drinking one with 5% now :)
[19:36] <sbalneav> So one full 8% beer's gonna mean at least a couple hours wait, or a cab home.
[19:37] <stgraber> cab is cheap in Sherbrooke ;)
[19:37] <sbalneav> The wife and I drive into work, so if I stay late for a beer or two "with the crew" after work on a Friday, I just hop a bus home.
[19:37] <highvoltage> cabs was very expensive here, but since the new laws here they became more popular and the prices came down a bit
[19:38] <highvoltage> sbalneav: nice :)
[19:39] <highvoltage> we don't really have busses that run at night here, I guess that will improve somewhat with the soccer world cup next yaer
[19:44] <stgraber> I usually can easily get back home for 10 or so CAD, so it's not so bad (especially as we are a few living in the same area)
[19:45] <stgraber> btw, I sent an email to cjwatson about getting LTSP in the live environment with a few questions, I hope to have an answer quite soon.
[19:46] <stgraber> I'll also add most of the stuff we've been discussing with Jonathan recently as part of the agenda for Wednesday so we can quickly go through that and split the work