[00:01] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: Are you a Kubuntu users?
[00:02] <nixternal> dhillon-v10 not worth starting on it really until we know the features for 4.5 and trunk opens back up...otherwsie they will get placed somewhere and forgotten about
[00:02] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, dual boot, Ubuntu and Kubuntu but I am in the process of writing a lot of Kubuntu docs. so I was wondering if I could do that since nixternal is quite busy with other stuff
[00:02]  * nixternal goes back to family who I have been neglecting all day :)
[00:02] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, alright thanks :D
[00:18] <_Groo_> guys im creating virtuoso 5.0.12 packages, should be out real soon now (TM)
[00:19] <_Groo_> is compiling as we speak
[00:25] <_Groo_> brb...
[01:17] <_Groo_> virtuoso 5.0.12 is compiled and working now
[01:22] <_Groo_> how do i make a diff? always have problems with those
[01:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: (from #debian-qt-kde): [19:20:11] <pusling> ScottK: feel free to offer jonathan thomas to comaintain (and have commit access) to packaging of shared-d-ontos
[01:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think it'd be good if you took them up on it.
[01:30] <_Groo_> hey ScottK just finished the virtuoso 5.0.12 package and tested it, is working just fine with nepomuk
[01:30] <ScottK> Good to hear.
[01:31] <_Groo_> ScottK: i just need to find a good diff/patch tutorial
[01:31] <_Groo_> better yet, what procedure do you guys do to make a patch for a package?
[01:33] <ScottK> _Groo_: Most of the KDE packages use quilt, so have a look at http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html
[01:34] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok thanks
[01:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: are you guys interested in my virtuoso 5.0.12 package till 6.0.1 is out? that way mroe ppl could test beta1,2 while debian guys wait for 6.0.1
[01:45] <ScottK> qt4-x11 built on ia64, so only power pc left.
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: nifty
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> probably means I should idle there ;-)
[02:30] <ScottK> Yep
[02:50] <ScottK> Just filed my first bug (with patch) with Qt upstream (for the ia64 build failure)
[03:35] <ScottK> Lex79: Source format 3 is OK now, no need to convert back to version 1.
[03:36] <ScottK> (looking at kdenlive)
[03:36] <DaskreeCh> GRRRR Why are people asking where is the switch for their laptop in #kubuntu ?
[03:36] <DaskreeCh> How are we supposed to know?
[03:42] <DaskreeCh> Oh dear... now they would like to know what command they can use to turn on the killswitch
[03:52] <Lex79> ScottK: feel free to change that and get the credits, I have no kubuntu time in these days
[03:58] <ScottK> Lex79: I dropped that change, but still left your name on the upload.  Thanks for taking care of it.
[03:59] <Lex79> ok thanks ScottK
[04:26] <DaskreeCh> Why would do-release-upgrade fail to find he next Kubuntu ?
[04:30] <ScottK> DaskreeCh: What are you upgrading from/to?
[04:31] <DaskreeCh> Jaunty Karmic
[04:31] <ScottK> Dunno.
[04:31] <DaskreeCh> ScottK: which should work but it's saying there is no upgrade
[04:31] <ScottK> All updates done before you try?
[04:35] <DaskreeCh> Should be
[04:35] <DaskreeCh> The person says they did a dist-upgrade
[04:36] <ScottK> update then upgrade?
[04:37] <DaskreeCh> ok lets try
[04:38] <ScottK> Does the mirror in their sources.list have Karmic?
[04:39] <DaskreeCh> I was going to check that
[08:52] <ghostcube> hi :)
[09:49] <Quintasan|Szel> hiho
[09:50] <Quintasan|Szel> hiho
[09:51] <Quintasan|Szel> oh, double message is the best
[09:53] <ulysses__> morning
[09:53] <ghostcube> :) ehlo
[09:54] <Quintasan|Szel> =/
[09:54] <Quintasan|Szel> urgh I hate those days before xmas
[09:55] <ghostcube> i even hate xmas
[09:55] <ghostcube> its a lie
[09:55] <Quintasan|Szel> we are doing nothing in school, yet we have to go there
[09:55] <ghostcube> that combines millions of peoples
[09:55] <ghostcube> o.o
[09:56] <ulysses__> I have no school, only exams at the university:(
[09:56] <Quintasan|Szel> oh well, ,I like xmas cause I can eat a lot of cheesecake :d
[09:58] <Quintasan|Szel> I guess I'll need to poke guys at #gluon to help me with blok
[09:58] <Quintasan|Szel> ulysses__: any progress on Smooth Tasks?
[09:59] <ulysses__> Nothing
[09:59] <ulysses__> I should learn:(
[09:59] <Quintasan|Szel> Where are you stuck?
[10:00] <Quintasan|Szel> ulysses__: Did you bother setting up pbuilder?
[10:00] <ulysses__> don't remember
[10:00] <ulysses__> 23th december I have an exam
[10:02] <Quintasan|Szel> oh well, learn then, you can't afford to fail, can you?
[10:02] <ulysses__> yeah
[10:05] <ulysses__> Quintasan|Szel: I read yesterday your interview :)
[10:09] <Lure> Riddell: do you know what is the status of my per-package upload application - did somebody inform DMB?
[10:09]  * Lure has a pending digikam upload, which I could also do alone if I get the rights
[10:13] <Quintasan|Szel> ulysses__: hehe :D
[10:13] <ulysses__> you're younger than me
[10:13]  * Quintasan|Szel is quite famous
[10:13] <ulysses__> and famous of course:)
[10:14] <Quintasan|Szel> I belive I'm one of the younes MOTUs or Members approved
[10:14] <Quintasan|Szel> youngest*
[10:15]  * ghostcube is old man
[10:15] <ghostcube> :D
[10:15] <ghostcube> and none of both
[10:15] <ghostcube> :D
[10:15] <Quintasan|Szel> I guess you can call this the effect of having computer at home ever since I was small, I remember breaking first mouse, insted of pressing the buttons I tried to lift them up and they broke xD
[10:15] <Quintasan|Szel> ghostcube: how old are you?
[10:16] <ghostcube> o.o 31
[10:16] <Quintasan|Szel> lol you call this being old?
[10:16] <ghostcube> yeah if you see that some 12 year old guys can even code better than me
[10:16] <ghostcube> i would say iam old
[10:16] <ghostcube> :D
[10:16] <ulysses__> We bought our first computer when I was ~10
[10:16] <ghostcube> i bought my first atari 1024 st
[10:16] <Quintasan|Szel> who said I can code?
[10:16] <ghostcube> i never was an amiga one
[10:16] <Quintasan|Szel> maybe basic things :P
[10:17] <ghostcube> Quintasan|Szel: nah was not meant this way just in generl
[10:17] <ghostcube> *a
[10:17] <ulysses__> We had an Intel 486, with ~16 MB RAM
[10:17] <ghostcube> oh i bought an 286 in 1994 for 2500 bugts
[10:17] <ghostcube> ;(
[10:17] <ghostcube> now even my handy can do more
[10:17] <Quintasan|Szel> I remember I had and Intel Pentium 100 MHz, Total Annihilation was pretty awesome game
[10:18] <Quintasan|Szel> an*
[10:18] <ghostcube> yeah i bought me an pentium to play half life
[10:18] <ghostcube> o.O
[10:18] <ghostcube> best game ever
[10:19] <Quintasan|Szel> Half-Life made me afraid of going to sleep for a while :D
[10:19] <ulysses__> I like RTS games, Age of Empires, Cossacks
[10:20] <Quintasan|Szel> anyone remembers Z from The Bitmap Brothers?
[10:20] <ulysses__> no
[10:21] <Quintasan|Szel> :<
[10:21] <Quintasan|Szel> I used to play that instead of lerning :P
[10:21] <Quintasan|Szel> learning*
[10:24] <Quintasan|Szel> oh the teacher came. 20 minutes after the bell rang
[10:24] <ulysses__> :)
[10:25] <ghostcube> hmm i played return to castle wolfenstein to the extreme
[10:25] <ghostcube> :D
[10:26] <Quintasan|Szel> no that I relly care, few lessons left and I'm free
[10:26] <Quintasan|Szel> I'm just like a ghost wandering through the classes
[10:26] <Quintasan|Szel> nnone gives a damn bout lessons right before xmas
[10:27] <Quintasan|Szel> noone*
[10:27] <ghostcube> :D
[10:27] <ghostcube> anyone here got a damn tomtom navigation system
[10:27] <ghostcube> o.o
[10:28] <Quintasan|Szel> it's just like now, techer's here, she checked attendance and we are doing anything but the lesson
[10:28] <ghostcube> are u on univerity
[10:28] <ghostcube> ??
[10:28] <ghostcube> s
[10:29] <Quintasan|Szel> high school
[10:29] <ghostcube> i got my diploma at saturdy
[10:29] <Quintasan|Szel> I want to go to un
[10:29] <ghostcube> oh cool
[10:29] <Quintasan|Szel> uni*
[10:29] <ghostcube> yeah
[10:29] <Quintasan|Szel> like lol, on IT we learn Excel
[10:29] <Quintasan|Szel> srsly WTF
[10:29] <ghostcube> hehe i have seen this before
[10:29] <ghostcube> :D
[10:29] <ghostcube> excel is cool
[10:29] <ghostcube> for my job
[10:33] <Quintasan|Szel> WHo cares bout excel, OO.o Calc ftw :P
[10:34] <Quintasan|Szel> I'm thinking about writing a short novel in english
[10:34] <Quintasan|Szel> You have quite nice sounding words
[10:35] <ghostcube> i cant use OO here
[10:35] <ghostcube> i must use windows and office
[10:35] <Quintasan|Szel> @_@
[10:35] <ghostcube> the Taxation programms we run here are only running on windows
[10:35] <ghostcube> in combination with office
[10:36] <Quintasan|Szel> using only windows - worst nightmare
[10:36] <ghostcube> its all .NET
[10:36] <Quintasan|Szel> it's just like.. breathing mercury :P
[10:36] <ulysses__> At the university we have both Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.04
[10:37] <ulysses__> the servers running also Ubuntu 9.04
[10:37] <ghostcube> the problem is no one cares enough to port the software to linux
[10:37] <ghostcube> at univerity
[10:37] <ghostcube> i run the asta servers with ubuntu 9.04 server
[10:37] <ghostcube> but here at work no chance
[10:37] <ghostcube> windows 2003 server
[10:37] <ghostcube> i have no idea how to config it
[10:37] <ghostcube> o.o
[10:38] <ghostcube> i made once a click to show settings of active directory
[10:38] <ghostcube> after this it wont boot
[10:38] <ghostcube> so i never touched again
[10:38] <ghostcube> :D
[10:38] <Quintasan|Szel> it might be just me but I think using IIS is just like commiting suicide :P
[10:38] <Quintasan|Szel> lol :D
[10:38] <Quintasan|Szel> >Windows
[10:38] <Quintasan|Szel> :/
[10:38] <ghostcube> :D
[10:38] <Quintasan|Szel> :P
[10:39] <Quintasan|Szel> I'm waiting for Linuix binary for Unreal Tournament 3. then I will get rid of windows
[10:39] <ulysses__> There are some Windows and Solaris server also here, at the computer professorship
[10:39] <Quintasan|Szel> Solaris?
[10:39] <Quintasan|Szel> never used it
[10:40] <ulysses__> h864777@home.cab:~$ uname -a
[10:40] <ulysses__> SunOS rozi 5.9 Generic_122300-03 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-280R
[10:40] <Quintasan|Szel> its POSIX compatible P?
[10:41] <ulysses__> I don't know, we never use it
[10:41] <ghostcube> isnt there linux binary for UT3
[10:41] <ghostcube> o.o
[10:42] <Quintasan|Szel> beats me, last time I checked there wasnt
[10:46] <ghostcube> no there isnt one
[10:46] <ghostcube> seems they forgoten it or cant do it lol
[13:07] <ScottK> Quintasan|Szel: You are definitely among the youngest MOTU, but I know of a coupld that got MOTU evenyounger.
[13:07] <ScottK> ghostcube: Give it 15 years and you'll be as old as I am.  You are not old.
[13:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see the ping I gave you on #ubuntu-devel yesterday?
[13:09] <Riddell> ScottK: don't think so
[13:10] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Let me get the conversation and pastebin it for you.
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/d7925b8a0
[13:11] <ScottK> It seems like we're close to a fix for powerpc, but it needs a little integration work.
[13:13] <Riddell> ah yes, the joy of qmake
[13:13] <Riddell> ScottK: do we know what his workaround is?
[13:13] <ScottK> So if we could just find someone who knew a bit about that .....
[13:14] <ScottK> Getting
[13:17] <ScottK> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/f3fb11da5
[13:18] <ScottK> Riddell: debian/patches/92_powerpc_no_gc_sections.diff in the current package.
[13:22] <ghostcube> ScottK: hmm yeah but 31 is old :) ofcourse yours is a bit more but after you get the 3 before the rest it sux a bit
[13:22] <ghostcube> :D
[13:24] <amichair> who else is 31?
[13:24] <ghostcube> me
[13:24] <ghostcube> :D
[13:25] <amichair> oh, cheers :-)
[13:25] <ghostcube> :)
[13:25] <ScottK> ghostcube: Didn't you hear?  40 is the new 30.  You're fine.
[13:26] <ghostcube> 78 the best build date ever
[13:26] <ghostcube> ScottK: oh havent known this
[13:26] <ghostcube> then its cool :D
[13:27] <ghostcube> evilFunkyFinger wth why is anybody using such an nick :D
[13:27] <amichair> ghostcube: he ain't a '78... :-)
[13:27] <ghostcube> hahaha
[13:30]  * Riddell puts some tinsel on wstephenson 
[13:30] <wstephenson> ho ho ho
[13:30]  * wstephenson passes round the brandy and mince pies
[13:30] <Riddell> very kind of you
[13:30]  * wstephenson hopes for a decent bottle of whisky this christmas as he's still drinking the jamesons he received last year
[13:31] <Riddell> bah, they don't even know how to spell whisky
[13:31] <wstephenson> but i wanted to ask, what's the quickest way to get a dev setup going? there is a KNM bug only kubuntu users seem to get that i want to fix.
[13:31] <Riddell> wstephenson: you have a kubuntu install?
[13:32] <wstephenson> yep
[13:32] <Riddell> sudo apt-get build-dep knetworkmanager
[13:32] <wstephenson> on a real machine for once
[13:33] <wstephenson> Riddell: no source package found - and i thought you had it named plasmoid-something...?
[13:33] <wstephenson> do i need to register a source repo too?
[13:34] <Riddell> you would for that to work yes
[13:35] <wstephenson> and how do i do that?
[13:35] <wstephenson> if there's a noob kubuntu kde developer page somewhere, send me there...
[13:36] <Riddell> sudo software-properties-kde  tick source code at bottom of first tab, close, reload
[13:37] <amichair> Riddell: no poking yet, just a reminder... a few more fixes waiting in software-properties branch
[13:39] <wstephenson> Riddell: done that, still no source package named knetworkmanager?  is plasmoid-knetworkmanager a generated package built from knetworkmanager the source package?
[13:39] <ScottK> wstephenson: plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[13:40] <ScottK> (I didn't pick the name)
[13:40] <wstephenson> if i was doing the same on suse, i'd rpm -qi `which knetworkmanager` to find out the source package name, then zypper source-install -d <pakcagename> but my apt-fu is weak.
[13:40] <wstephenson> ScottK: works, thanks
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> dpkg -S 'which knetworkmanager' in apt-fu ;-)
[13:41] <Riddell> I'm wrong, there is no knetworkmanager package
[13:41] <Riddell> it's plasma-widget-networkmanagement indeed
[13:41] <wstephenson> is there a general kde or c++ development pattern i can install to get my usual hacker tools as well as the pure build deps?
[13:42] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts kdelibs5-dev
[13:43] <Riddell> for network manager the build depends are    sudo apt-get install cdbs debhelper cmake pkg-kde-tools quilt libqt4-dev kdelibs5-dev kdebase-workspace-dev libknotificationitem-dev network-manager-dev libnm-util-dev quilt
[13:43] <wstephenson> yep, got those from the build-dep
[13:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Except not libknotificationitem-dev
[13:43] <ScottK> (at least not for lucid)
[13:43] <wstephenson> i want things like gdb and svn too.
[13:43] <Riddell> I'm assuming wstephenson is looking at the version in karmic
[13:44] <wstephenson> Riddell: right, that's the one causing me 2-3 BRs a day
[13:44] <ScottK> Probably a good assumption
[13:44] <Riddell> wstephenson:   sudo apt-get install qt-sdk kde-devel    would bring in the meta packages with that sort of stuff
[13:46] <wstephenson> that looks good - thanks
[13:48] <wstephenson> finally, how do i find where "apt-get source plasma-widget-knetworkmanager" put the sources?
[13:49] <Riddell> wstephenson: current directory
[13:49] <Riddell> and it's plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[13:51] <wstephenson> yes. found it.
[13:56] <rgreening> whats the difference between Tiger woods and Santa...
[13:57] <rgreening> santa only has 3 Ho's!
[13:57] <rgreening> merry x-mas
[13:57] <rgreening> :)
[14:07] <rgreening> ScottK: kubuntu-desktop recommends kipi-plugins but I believe this package cannot be installed with new gwenview/digikam..
[14:08] <ghostcube> yep cause it wants to remove them
[14:08] <ghostcube> i seen this last night
[14:08] <ScottK> Something needs a rebuild then.
[14:09] <ghostcube> libkipi6 is going to be removed if you distupgrade and espacially choose gwenview
[14:09] <ghostcube> and kipi-plugins
[14:09] <ghostcube> and installed is going to be libkipi7
[14:10] <rgreening> ScottK: kipi-plugins: Depends: libkdcraw7 (>= 4:4.3.2) but it is not going to be installed
[14:10] <rgreening>                 Depends: libkipi6 (>= 4:4.3.2) but it is not going to be installed
[14:10] <rgreening> but these need to be libdcraw8 and libkipi7
[14:10] <ghostcube> rgreening: ++
[14:10] <ghostcube> :)
[14:11] <rgreening> where is polkit-kde-1 housed and is is backported for karmic? can't install latest kde beta backport without it
[14:12] <ScottK> That was supposed to be dropped for the backport.
[14:13] <rgreening> ScottK: seems not
[14:13] <ScottK> I'd propose fix the backport then.
[14:14] <ghostcube> :D
[14:14] <rgreening> ScottK: If I have some time, I can have a look. Im pretty booke atm
[14:14] <rgreening> booked even
[14:15] <ScottK> Yet not to booked to play with a KDE beta install ....
[14:15] <rgreening> ScottK: apt-get install vs building a package..
[14:16] <rgreening> no effort vs effort
[14:16] <rgreening> :)
[14:16] <rgreening> ScottK: anyway, it's kdebase-workspace right? Anything I need to change other thna remove the dep?
[14:17] <ScottK> rgreening: I think it's kde4libs, but JontheEchidna is the expert.
[14:17] <rgreening> ok
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> kde4libs needs the build-dependency back to libpolkit-qt-dev, and any binary packages need to depend on kdebase-workspace-bin rather than polkit-kde-1
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> though I think kdebase-workspace-bin might be the only policykit users in KDE-proper at the moment
[14:22] <rgreening> ok.. I'll have a look. my meetng got rebooked for later so I may have a few minutes to poke at this...
[14:29] <rgreening> Is polkit-kde-1 actually correct? or should it be polkit-qt-1
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's correct
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> We used to have policykit-kde which was moved into kdebase-workspace
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> polkit-kde-1 is policykit-kde for the PolicyKit-1 API
[14:32] <rgreening> oh
[14:32] <rgreening> heh
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> ya, a bit much to wrap one's head around :S
[14:32] <rgreening> so, looks like kde4libs is ok... so I guess the dep issue is in workspace
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> luckily we will be able to drop the -1 endings soon and replace the normal packages
[14:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: so, in workspace, replace polkit-kde-1 with nothing (it only appears once on kdebase-workspace-bin)
[14:34] <rgreening> correct?
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> Correct
[14:35] <ghostcube> is anyone working on an tool to sync the channels from xchat quassel and so on ? if you move to another pc ?
[14:35] <ghostcube> i thinking about doing such a thing mabye
[14:35] <ghostcube> :D
[14:36] <rgreening> ty JontheEchidna.
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> yw
[14:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: polkit-kde-1 MIR is approved, so that's one blocker resolved.
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> policykit and k3b just need updating for polkit-1
[14:56] <rgreening> Do we have a backport of virtuoso yet for karmic that will work with nepomuk?
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if K3b's been ported to KAuth yet...
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> back in a bit
[14:58] <Riddell> rgreening: I don't think we have vituoso for lucid yet
[15:07] <ghostcube> yipieh my tor works again :D
[15:14]  * ScottK looks around for Lure to package Digikam 1.0
[15:14] <Lure> ScottK: will do tonight
[15:14] <ScottK> OK
[15:14] <Lure> ScottK: do you know where my per-packge upload right is right now? Did somebody inform DMB about kubuntu-dev decision?
[15:15] <ScottK> Lure: IIRC, Riddell was going to do that.  We'd have to hear from him.
[15:15] <Lure> ScottK: we got MIR approval for liblqr, so one diff with debian less for digikam
[15:15] <ScottK> Nice.
[15:15] <Lure> ScottK: and opencv 2.0 with all build-depends have built sucessfully in my staging ppa
[15:16] <Lure> ScottK: so I plan to upload that one also soon
[15:16] <ScottK> Lure: Will it replace opencv?
[15:16] <ScottK> I have a pending merge of opencv and I'm wondering if I should bother.
[15:18] <Riddell> ScottK, Lure: pitti says it needs approval from the DMB so I'll write them a sterntly worded e-mail
[15:19] <ScottK> Riddell: That or let's just make him kubuntu-dev and tell them since we weren't allowed to give upload rights to part of kubuntu-dev, we gave all of it.
[15:19] <Riddell> certainly an option
[15:20] <Riddell> do we trust him not to get drunk one night and upload the fluffy bunny theme to kubuntu-default-settings?
[15:21] <ScottK> I'd worry more about Hannah Montana, but I think it's OK.
[15:21] <ScottK> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Tonio_: Got a moment for an inpromtu kubuntu-dev meeting?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> I can
[15:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Three is a quorum.
[15:23] <Riddell> I'm +1 if he restricts himself to digikam, kipi-plugins and kdegraphics (other stuff he can upload but with asking for review first)
[15:23] <ScottK> +1 too
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> +1
[15:24] <ScottK> Lure: Do you agree to restrict your uploads (without review) to digikam, kipi-plugins and kdegraphics
[15:24] <Lure> ScottK: I am fine with that
[15:25] <Riddell> let me set the powahs then
[15:25] <ScottK> Congratulations.  Welcome to kubuntu-dev
[15:25] <Lure> thanks!
[15:25] <Lure> will use my new powers wisely
[15:25] <Riddell> "Luka Renko (lure) has been added as a member of this team."
[15:25] <Lure> ScottK: you did merge with testing (1.0 version)?
[15:26] <Lure> ScottK: my merge will be from unstable (2.0)
[15:26] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[15:26] <ScottK> Lure: I didn't touch it yet this cycle.
[15:26] <Lure> Riddell: will try new powers on digikam upload tonight
[15:26] <Lure> ScottK: then no need to bother
[15:27] <ScottK> Lure: Thanks.  I won't.
[15:30] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll do the welcome email unless you've already done it.
[15:30] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[15:33] <ScottK> Lure: Could I have a link to your per-package uploaders application?
[15:34] <Lure> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/DigikamKipiPluginsApplication
[15:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:48] <ScottK> Announcement mail sent.
[15:57]  * rgreening needs to work on his app...
[16:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the qmake problem with the powerpc patch something you can work on or do I need to see about hunting down someone to figure it out?
[16:49] <Riddell> ScottK: oh sorry, I was looking fro thiago but he hasn't turned up
[16:49] <Riddell> ScottK: but we could just make the patch apply only on powerpc
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: No problem.  It isn't a rush as we don't want a Qt upload while we're building KDE.
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: That sounds good.  How about we try that after beta 2 is done?
[16:50] <Riddell> ok
[17:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: now you just need to blog about that we-cannot-give-per-package-upload-privileges ;)
[17:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: Considering who I sent the congratulations mail to, I think the target audience has been notified.
[17:08] <apachelogger> well, the more ranting, the more fuzz, the more annoyance ;)
[17:08] <ScottK> Let's see how this works first.
[17:09] <apachelogger> k
[17:09]  * ScottK used up his quota for a while on ranting and annoyance on the Ayatana stuff in Karmic.
[17:09] <apachelogger> allrighty
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we please block mails with subjects containing "Digest, Vol" as well as all HTML-only mail?
[17:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think at least one of those needs a mailman patch.  Fortunately it's written in Python so you can hack on it.
[17:11] <apachelogger> I am quite sure you can filter on subject
[17:11] <ScottK> Yes, but silently discarding is evil.  You'd need to give a useful error message.
[17:12]  * apachelogger doesnt find it any eviler than subjects that are as useful as "fluffy bunny subject"
[17:57] <Quintasan> \o
[17:58] <ulysses__> o/
[17:58] <Quintasan> I see we are almost good to go with Beta 2 :)
[17:59] <Riddell> I'm almost done uploading it to lucid
[18:00] <Quintasan> good, I'm going to poke gluon upstream in a second, I want to compile all apps they provide in git, would be nice to have few apps for users to test and/or report bugs :)
[18:25] <skreech> apachelogger: though  you may be a PITA I don't see you as one
[18:26] <skreech> \o/ KDE 4.4 b2 is out
[18:35]  * apachelogger is wondering if b1 is really left without any sound
[18:37] <skreech> well I can't get anything Phonon working
[18:37] <skreech> if it's a FOSS data file then it can't find the file specified if it's not a FOSS data file then it can't find the codecs for that file
[18:38]  * skreech shrugs and uses mplayer in the meantime
[18:38] <skreech> jjesse: Did you figure out amarok btw?
[18:38] <jjesse> skreech: i haven't looked at it
[18:38] <jjesse> been busy w/ work :)
[18:39] <skreech> :-)
[18:39] <apachelogger> skreech: just have been told the same
[18:39] <skreech> apachelogger: I knew that Phonon was screwed pre b1 packages dropping so not surprised
[18:40] <skreech> Anything with Phonon segfaulted before that so having them open was a step forward. Now they can't play anything  hopefully b2 they can
[18:40] <skreech> then b3 they will spout kittens from the speakers
[18:40] <jjesse> should be pretty easy right?
[18:46] <skreech> jjesse: once you know where it is. It's in a pretty annoying place if you don't know it
[18:46] <skreech> Not sure why amarok handles it like that
[18:48] <jjesse> seems like a pretty common use case that a lot of people would use so it should be easy to do
[18:49] <skreech> Well it's not obviously easy
[18:58] <Quintasan> wtf, I have sound, b1 here
[19:00] <Quintasan> really, KDE junior jobs dont look like junior
[19:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: urly?
[19:07] <apachelogger> URLy that is :P
[19:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: whole list, JJ: implement XXX kioslave
[19:09] <apachelogger> oh funs
[19:09]  * apachelogger notest that kioslaving can be a JJ
[19:09] <apachelogger> notes even
[19:09] <Quintasan> srsly?
[19:09] <apachelogger> yes
[19:09] <apachelogger> depends on the slave of course
[19:09] <Quintasan> looks like I'm lower than a total noob in coding :DD
[19:10] <apachelogger> but mosly it is just implementing some silly named convenience class
[19:11] <apachelogger> can someone do something about the audio thread?
[19:11] <apachelogger> more like a topic for kubuntu-users
[19:11] <apachelogger> hence the -users :P
[19:11] <apachelogger> like in "using the product"
[19:11] <apachelogger> -devel as in "developing the product"
[19:12] <apachelogger> since we do not develop "audio not working" I suppose it belongs to using a system where audio is not working :P
[19:12] <Quintasan> I would really like to troll the devel of amarok runner
[19:12] <apachelogger> in fact some self-help group might be suited ... "how to live with a system without audio" :D :D :D
[19:12]  * JontheEchidna hints that it would be a really good idea to SRU the fix for bug 433486
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> to nobody in particular, but feel free to jump in ;-)
[19:13] <Quintasan> ofc the KDE 4.4 searches only trough collection and the other one through the playlist and both fail @_@
[19:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go SRU the SRUworthy bug
[19:13]  * Quintasan though he ain't minion anymore
[19:13] <Quintasan> ;P
[19:14]  * apachelogger looks at launchpad
[19:14] <apachelogger> oh my, I am still superior :P
[19:14] <Quintasan> FFFFUUUUU-
[19:14] <ScottK> If less active
[19:14] <apachelogger> that is what superior rank means, isnt it? :P
[19:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: just wait... :>
[19:14] <apachelogger> !
[19:14] <apachelogger> anyhows
[19:15]  * apachelogger enhances JontheEchidna's endorsement for core dev a bit and then prepares for vacation
[19:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please go give soyuz a kick so beta 2 can get built.
[19:15] <ScottK> Seems it fell over and needs motivation.
[19:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: the fix was backported already or  I should do it?
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: done SRUs before?
[19:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: just one for Parley
[19:16] <apachelogger> actually
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, you did
[19:16] <apachelogger> I did all the hard work :P
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the patch needs backported
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> you know the drill
[19:16]  * apachelogger goes after soyuz with laser screwdriver
[19:16] <Quintasan> :D
[19:17] <Quintasan> I'd like to gluon be built first but who cares :P
[19:17] <apachelogger> oh my, it lost an arm!!!!
[19:17]  * apachelogger hides behind ScottK
[19:17] <nixternal> here, give me that laser screwdriver
[19:18]  * nixternal grabs a keg of beer and throws it at...
[19:18] <nixternal> wait a second!
[19:18] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hmm against stable packages or against out ppa packages?
[19:18]  * Quintasan is confused
[19:18]  * nixternal rethinks that, doesn't throw the keg of beer, instead goes over in the corner and starts drinking while laughing at apachelogger hiding behind ScottK 
[19:18] <Quintasan> owned
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: SRUs are for the stable packages, though I suppose updating the PPA wouldn't hurt too
[19:18]  * ScottK is too skinny for proper hiding anyway
[19:19] <nixternal> hehe
[19:19] <apachelogger> I am lost!
[19:20] <nixternal> ScottK: this is hillarious...you guys get less than 2 feet of snow, and it is all over the news...Chicago gets 2 feet of snow, we hit the bars and celebrate...and never watch about it on the national news
[19:20] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm not sure what the big deal is.  We're all shoveled and plowed.  Just dropped all the kids at the mall (no idea why school is closed either)
[19:21] <nixternal> ScottK: yeah, my daughter has today off as well it seems
[19:21] <nixternal> though I will admit, they have gotten pretty silly with snow days here as well
[19:21] <Quintasan> lol your kids get days off because of 2 feets of snow?
[19:21] <Quintasan> fck I want to live there
[19:21] <apachelogger> lol
[19:21] <apachelogger> indeed
[19:21] <nixternal> when I was in school, a snow day wasn't called until school was about to start and there was at least 6 inches of snow on the street
[19:22]  * apachelogger notes that the best he ever got in austria was to be excused from school with appropriate proof of not being able to get there
[19:22] <Quintasan> I think we would need at least 2m of snow to get school canceled
[19:22] <nixternal> hell, one year they didn't call snow day...there was like 8 inches of snow and it was still falling...they made people drive their kids to school as the busses said "hell no we aren't going out in this"
[19:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why do you think it is that europeans are more intelligent than the rest of the world :P
[19:25] <apachelogger> oh, tokyo ska paradise orchestra
[19:25]  * apachelogger takes Nightrose for a dance
[19:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: the busses can talk over there? :O
[19:26]  * Nightrose dances around with apachelogger
[19:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: doki doki time
[19:27] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes, our busses are intelligent
[19:27] <nixternal> probably more intelligent than those riding on them
[19:27] <nixternal> our busses will even talk to your smart phone and provide you some good info if you have the apps installed
[19:27] <apachelogger> oh my
[19:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: smart busses one could say
[19:28] <nixternal> hehe
[19:28]  * apachelogger finds that indeed handy
[19:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am all out of stuff to endorse :S
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> :3
[19:29] <nixternal> plus, our bus company, just open sourced their api's for the smart busses and all of that stuff
[19:29]  * apachelogger finds it jolly hard to write endorsements for people who shouldnt need any endorsement :P
[19:29] <nixternal> I should be like everyone else and create yet another plasma widget that is useful for just 3 people
[19:30] <apachelogger> lol :D
[19:30] <apachelogger> mine is useful to more :P
[19:30] <nixternal> yeah, those 8 people are happy too :p
[19:30] <apachelogger> nixternal: you should lobby the API rather
[19:30] <apachelogger> make it a standard and all
[19:31] <apachelogger> then all smart phones could ship with some minimalistic app
[19:31] <nixternal> I am sure someone around here is already doing it
[19:31] <apachelogger> and voila, the world is yet a better place to live in
[19:31] <nixternal> oh, in Ruby too at that :D
[19:31] <apachelogger> well, for the 10% of humanity that can effort smart phones and smart busses anyway
[19:31] <nixternal> it was pretty cool how the CTA did it...they worked with the open source world...they really worked more with all of the Ruby and RoR hackers here in Chicago
[19:32] <nixternal> we have smart busses, and pot holes that can eat a car
[19:32] <nixternal> it doesn't make sense to me
[19:32] <apachelogger> whom else would you be working with in chicago? :P
[19:32] <nixternal> Ruby and RoR is huge here all of a sudden
[19:32] <nixternal> I guess I need to start messing with online services more than desktop applications....seems that's where the money is nowadays
[19:35] <Quintasan> hurr those lines even ain't present
[19:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: no matter how I look at version the bug is reported against 4.3.1 which I can't find, even the 3/4 of lines in the patch are not present
[19:40] <ScottK> nixternal: Weren't you on enough councils already?
[19:41] <nixternal> I guess not
[19:42] <nixternal> they insisted that I run...I tried to not run, but they wouldn't let me...so now I feel quote motivated to help out Edubuntu and get them up to speed now
[19:43] <skreech> Quintasan: I try to pick out really simple JJ or worthwhile ones and dent them every monday
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> man, it is way too different...
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> oh well, thanks.
[19:44] <Quintasan> skreech: okay, tough the one about kopete links in status messages is sitting there since KDE 3.5 :P
[19:45] <Quintasan> skreech: I mean this -> http://imagebin.ca/view/IWN-4j.html
[19:46] <Quintasan> link not clickable :S
[19:47] <skreech> apachelogger: and not being there is not proof of not being able to get there? :)
[19:48] <apachelogger> skreech: huh?
[19:49] <skreech> nixternal: Our buses here are smart. They stay the hell off the damn roads
[19:50] <ghostcube> woha snow again ....
[19:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you can quote me on that when in your core dev interview .... make JontheEchidna a coredev already, I dont know how to endorse someone who knows all and everything
[19:51] <Tscheesy> is there some Digikam1.0 Pakets under packaging ? http://sourceforge.net/projects/digikam/files/
[19:51] <apachelogger> Lure is working on packaging I think
[19:51] <Tscheesy> nice
[19:52] <Lure> Tscheesy: will check with debian first
[19:52] <Lure> Tscheesy: also, we need to include some patch (one crasher was fixed just after release)
[19:53] <ejat> JontheEchidna: is it all the fixed release to the development version of lucid will be port to karmic ?
[19:53] <ejat> or maybe in beta 2 ?
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> ?
[19:54] <ejat> nvm ..
[19:54] <ejat> sorry ..
[19:55] <skreech> Quintasan: Yeah I dented that one like a month ago :)
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> ejat: it's ok, I just don't know what you're talking about :)
[19:56] <skreech> Quintasan: On the profile cards as well. Well no where actually
[19:57] <skreech> Kopete needs looooove
[19:57] <ejat> JontheEchidna: i just get bug fixed update in email .. all saying fixed in 10.04 .. is it available for 9.10 :)
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> depends on the bug
[19:57] <skreech> apachelogger: not being at school wasn't enough proof that you could not get to school? :)
[19:58] <apachelogger> skreech: nope, could also have been proof of you didnt wanna get to school :P
[19:59] <ejat> is it kde sc beta 2 on building process .... ?
[19:59] <ScottK> Yes
[19:59] <skreech> apachelogger: Ah those unruly chicldren :)
[20:00] <apachelogger> oh yes!
[20:00] <skreech> apachelogger: Also it was always annoying when you had the one child who lived near you and was intent on getting to school damning the rest of people who lived near him into being liars that they couldn't make it to school
[20:01] <ejat> ScottK: thanks ..
[20:01] <nixternal> what is on the agenda for today? what needs to get done?
[20:01] <nixternal> to lazy to read scrollback
[20:02] <nixternal> I think it would be good to start doing scrum meetings every day
[20:02] <nixternal> to much work trying to keep up with what is going on and what people are doing, at least for me it is...seems my hand might be in to many cookie jars
[20:02] <apachelogger> rounds :D
[20:02] <markey> apachelogger: you were right, once again :)
[20:03] <markey> AVATAR is the real deal
[20:03] <markey> myri and I both went out thinking: best film ever made.
[20:03] <markey> simple as that :)
[20:03] <markey> boggles the mind
[20:03] <apachelogger> couldnt agree more
[20:03] <markey> it's a new paradigm in cinema, it's not a normal film any more
[20:03] <markey> more an experience :)
[20:08] <Quintasan> skreech: I'd like to do this but I'm veeery new to programming
[20:10] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Computer_Programming
[20:11] <apachelogger> as every art it is more of a trial and error sort :P
[20:11]  * Sput never got a snow day at school
[20:11] <Sput> I think I got two heat days in 13 years of school though
[20:11] <apachelogger> global warming!!!
[20:12] <Sput> yeah. so holland drowns, cologne is gonna be at the coast, and we won't have any snow anymore. How often do I need to take my SUV around the block to make that happen?
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> Source format 3.0 rules! No more repacking .bz2 tarballs as .gz <3
[20:12] <ScottK> Yep.
[20:12] <apachelogger> just wait until KDE deploys xv :P
[20:12] <ScottK> kdenlive tar.bz2 is in the archive.
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> kgmailnotifier tar.bz2 will be in the archives soon
[20:13] <Sput> apachelogger: Gentoo already repacks KDE tarballs as .xv :)
[20:13] <apachelogger> there you have it
[20:13] <apachelogger> also suse was always pushing quite a bit towards lzma
[20:13] <apachelogger> and since dirk is doing the tars I dont think it will be long before bz2 distribution gets stopped :P
[20:14] <apachelogger> not that I would be sorry about that
[20:14] <Sput> probably right after they've moved to git :P
[20:14] <Sput> and the hurd is released
[20:14] <apachelogger> igittigitt :P
[20:14] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:14] <apachelogger> time to leave
[20:14] <Sput> and Duke runs on the hurd
[20:14] <apachelogger> see you after vacation
[20:15]  * apachelogger hugs everyone and puts a haralds-spot-do-not-use-sign on his chair
[20:15] <Lex79> apachelogger: see you :-*
[20:19] <Quintasan> well Harald's not here so we can relax :PP
[20:22]  * JontheEchidna wonders how much waterboarding there was to decide that quilt would be the standard patch system for 3.0
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> er, not the word I was looking for
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> bikeshedding
[20:23] <ScottK> The quilt fanboys are well in charge in Debian, so not much.
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> I am glad with the outcome, it's just that one would think that it would be a devisive issue
[20:24] <Quintasan> who cares bout dpatch? :P
[20:24]  * Quintasan used it twice and didn't like it
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> there is something to be said about simple-patchsys
[20:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If we had a quilt-edit-patch, then I think it'd be fine, as it is, Quilt is significanlty harder for new people to use.
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> the learning curve is a bit steep, yes
[20:30] <Lure> JontheEchidna: is cdbs somehow deprecated now?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[20:30]  * Lure see some changes in that regard
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it looks like it might be moving that way but imo it'll probably stay around for a bit
[20:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: -1 for undocumented changes in kde4libs.
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> oops
[20:33] <ScottK> Lure: the dh 7 stuff removes a lot of the rationale for cdbs.
[20:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Please add your debian/rules changes to debian/changelog and I'll pull again.
[20:34] <Lure> ScottK: I noticed, that is why I am not sure if there is any push to move away from cdbs
[20:34]  * Lure notices that digikam is still cdbs
[20:34] <ScottK> Should be easy enough to switch to dh 7 --with-kde
[20:35] <yuriy> is 1.0 packaged btw? that's pretty exciting
[20:35] <Lure> ScottK: actually writing quilt-edit-patch should not be that hard to implement...
[20:35] <ScottK> Lure: I agree.  Just needs someone to actually do it.
[20:36]  * Lure did not like quilt at first, but I am now fine with it
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> ah, those changes are wrong. I had fixed that in bzr but I accidentally unfixed it copying the debian directory back over
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: fixed
[20:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  Got it.
[20:39] <ScottK> Still waiting (will be for a while) for stuff to depwait.
[20:42] <skreech> JontheEchidna: Waterboarding probably more applicable
[20:43] <Quintasan> oh btw, anyone got distcc or icecc working?
[20:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: you'll need to tell me if you need to use my machine again
[20:45] <Bausparfuchs> Hi, is there a simple way to get qt 4.6 on my Kubuntu karmic? A ppa or something?
[20:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: I have done several changes, I will include those licenses, and it's quite not ready yet since I can't build anything that uses gluon now :/
[20:51] <Riddell> Bausparfuchs: yes it's in the experimental PPA
[20:51] <Riddell> in ~kubuntu-ppa
[20:52] <Bausparfuchs> Riddell: i just had a look at the experimental ppa and it seems that there is only the rc, not the final.
[20:54] <Riddell> or in the beta PPA then
[20:54] <Bausparfuchs> Riddell: in the experimental ppa there is "qt4-x11 - 4:4.6.0~rc1-1ubuntu1~ppa1 " published on november, 18th. Release was on december 1st
[20:57] <Bausparfuchs> Riddell: I only found it in the lucid repo. ll wair
[20:57] <Bausparfuchs> ill wait
[20:59] <skreech> nixternal: http://identi.ca/group/linuxjobs
[21:05] <Riddell> Bausparfuchs: it is in this PPA https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[21:06] <Bausparfuchs> Riddell: oh, thanks, fine. I didnt find that before
[21:27] <skreech> Why don't I have a network management plasmoid?
[21:28] <skreech> Did 4.4 mask them out or something?
[22:02] <_StefanS_> evening
[22:02] <_StefanS_> not to push on things, but I imagine that you're preparing the KDE 4.4 SC beta2 packages ?
[22:03] <_StefanS_> or atleast thinking about it :)
[22:03] <skreech> _StefanS_: No we are not we are partying like it's 2009!
[22:03] <skreech> Oh.. wait
[22:03] <_StefanS_> hehe
[22:03] <skreech> _StefanS_: Lucid is priority so it gets rolled out and tested there first
[22:04] <_StefanS_> skreech: oh yes ofcourse
[22:04] <_StefanS_> skreech: but I guess they will be available for karmic eventually
[22:04] <_StefanS_> 4.4 was a great improvement.. even the plasmoids remember where you put them now ;)
[22:05] <_StefanS_> 4.4/4.4b1
[22:05] <skreech> _StefanS_: Yes
[22:05] <skreech> THough My plasmoids dont :-(
[22:05] <skreech> Stop covering each other!
[22:06] <_StefanS_> ah didnt test that
[22:06] <skreech> _StefanS_: What?? Then why are we giving out the beta? Test test test test!!
[22:08] <_StefanS_> skreech: will do, and sorry for my laziness :)
[22:20] <nixternal> skreech: yeah, I follow a linuxjobs on twitter
[22:35] <zegenie> anybody know if the soprano virtuoso backend will be packaged with this beta?
[22:35] <zegenie> (beta 2 - whenever it becomes available)
[22:41] <Riddell> zegenie: I believe not
[22:53] <zegenie> Riddell: so will the strigi / nepomuk functionality be broken for karmic if I use 4.4 for any forseeable future?
[22:53] <Riddell> zegenie: no more so than in 4.3 I expect
[22:54] <zegenie> but it works fine in 4.3, just installing the sesame backend, popping in the symlink and voila
[22:55] <Riddell> there you go then
[22:55] <zegenie> the sesame package is already in the repos, and the onliner symlink command isn't exactly rocket science :)
[22:55] <zegenie> but with 4.4 it won't even initialize
[22:55] <zegenie> because it says it needs the virtuoso backend
[22:55] <zegenie> which *isn't* in the repos
[22:56] <Riddell> oh well, guess it won't work, it's a beta
[22:59] <zegenie> yeah, always something
[22:59] <zegenie> so is the virtuoso backend package in lucid yet?
[23:05] <Riddell> zegenie: no, there isn't a working version as I understand it
[23:06] <zegenie> that's unfortunate
[23:06] <zegenie> any idea what the guys in fedora/gentoo/opensuse are doing then?
[23:06] <zegenie> also just packaging it w/o functioning strigi/nepomuk?
[23:06] <zegenie> just wondering since the're already shipping beta 2 packages :)
[23:07] <zegenie> "shipping"/providing
[23:13] <Lure> ScottK: do you know the state of debian-science merge done by mok0
[23:13]  * Lure considers just doing opencv + boost1.40 transtion upload
[23:19] <skreech> zegenie: as far as I'm aware there is a break in the version compatibilty
[23:19] <skreech> Virtuoso 5.x works 6.0 doesn't 6.x will
[23:21] <Sput> zegenie: Gentoo has working Virtuoso packages.
[23:21] <zegenie> mmk
[23:21] <Sput> though upstream shuffling around things didn't make things too easy the past few weeks :)
[23:22] <ScottK> Lure: It's been marked he's doing it for a long time.  I'd go for it.
[23:22] <Sput> also we've made upstream to finally do releases for redland and other soprano stuff
[23:23] <Lure> ScottK: merge with newer upstream (0.7/0.8) requires update to blends, which I am not really planning to do just now
[23:23] <ScottK> Lure: Blends is a pretty easy merge.  Just have to add stuff for the new release.
[23:24] <Lure> ScottK: but it brings another couple of rdepends to follow
[23:24] <Lure> ScottK: might look into it when I am done with opencv