[00:04] hello [00:04] I neesd some help in ubuntu [00:08] hLLOA [00:08] HALLO [00:29] hola a todos!! [00:29] alguien por ahi que m diga para que sirve esta aplicacion? [00:30] !fr [00:30] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr [00:31] !it [00:31] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare) [00:46] pig [00:52] test test...is this thing on? [00:58] hello..? [00:58] hi [00:58] !ask [00:58] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [00:59] noted...i am trying to figure out how to open files as root so i can edit them...what info do you need? === yambob2 is now known as yambob [01:04] The file in question is /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode. I am trying to change the "FN" key to the opposite state but I cannot figure out how to open, change, and save it as root... [01:07] sdxaf4sad [01:09] i guess not then... [01:10] sudo kate /path/to/file should work [01:10] fa4anaheim: you just need to know the sudo passwoed [01:10] kdesu kate /path/to/file should be safer [01:10] There is no "sudo password" [01:11] Er, yeah [01:11] Obviously I'm not thinking quite straight tonight [01:11] fa4anaheim- kdesu kate /path/to/file [01:11] cool, trying it now... [01:12] Ugh, no [01:12] fa4anaheim- kdesudo kate /path/to/file [01:12] I think that's actually correct now [01:17] Well it opens, but I can't save it...also, I get several lines of "X Error: BadWindow" [01:23] fa4anaheim- the X errors can probably be ignored. Why can't you save the file though? [01:24] Good question...says the file is "Protected" and I do not have permission... [01:24] I am Extremely new to Kubuntu wondering if any would mind helping me [01:24] nok - with what? [01:24] nok: whats your prob? [01:25] Am i able to download .executables and use them? am getting an error with it. === nathaniel_ is now known as gnat56 [01:26] nok: well executables (*.exe) are windows specific you can try to run them with wine [01:26] nok: www.winehq.org === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [01:26] ok ill check it out thanks. [01:27] nok: try to find an linux alternative! [01:27] hi, how can i make pulseaudio work again? [01:27] nok - an executable in linux is created when you compile from source, did you download the source file? [01:27] not sure for the specific program i didnt see a source fille just the .exe [01:28] nok what app? [01:28] youll probably laugh but Fulltiltpoker [01:28] nok - from a website? I would try using an rpm manager...are you using gnome or kde? [01:28] My system is pretty crappy and runs slow on windows so thought i would try kub and is alot better [01:28] gnome i beleive === m4v is now known as mkv [01:29] nok: well, kde has nice card games :-) try to query appdb.winehq.org [01:30] trying to play with real money ;) [01:30] appdb has instructions on how to install windows apps in linux... [01:31] if u have any probs with wine, ask there then... #wine [01:32] sry #winehq [01:32] Well thanks fanfare preciate the help like i said new to linux period just installed it today. [01:34] nok: np ur welcome. this is kubuntu channel. (ubuntu + KDE) if u have gnome, the chose #ubuntu [01:34] is there any way to just download the package from kpackage kit and not to install them [01:36] the_cyber_guy: not kpackagekit, but apt-get [01:36] how ? [01:36] man:apt-get its the -d option [01:46] "Permission Denied" as root..?! [01:49] fa4anaheim- yeah, that's weird [01:49] fa4anaheim- what file are you trying to edit? === Shadow_mil is now known as Kage_Jittai [01:51] It is the file that determines the state of the "Function" key on my Apple keyboard. Right not it is set to 1 which means I must hold the FN key for any of the F1-F19 keys to work. I am trying to change it to 2 which is opposite... [01:51] /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode [01:54] Do "ls /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode" and give us the single line it shows [01:56] Ok...fnmode is the file...but if I do "ls /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters" it shows just "fnmode" [01:57] Oops, sorry [01:57] That's cool... [01:57] ls -al /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode [01:57] ...stand by... [01:57] I forget that not everyone has -al aliased in to ls [01:58] "-r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2009-12-20 19:45 /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode" [02:03] Is it considered safe do do the KU 904 > 910 upgrade now? [02:07] test [02:07] sup [02:08] fa4anaheim- that's odd. Doesn't look like there should be anything stopping you from editing the file [02:08] I know right...what about tcsh..? Overwrite maybe..? [02:08] fa4anaheim- you could try "sudo nano /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode" and see if that works for you [02:09] Ok... [02:11] [ Error writing /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode: Permission denied ] WTF?! [02:13] That is bizarre [02:13] I know... [02:13] Okay, try this [02:13] sudo cp /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode.new [02:13] Ok... [02:14] "cp: cannot create regular file `/sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode.new': No such file or directory" [02:17] do i get that right, that file contains blanks? [02:17] fa4anaheim- hm, I get the same result (different directory under /sys/module though) [02:18] Really... [02:18] You'd think I would know this, but I'd guess that /sys/module is a special directory [02:18] Have you looked at this page- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard [02:20] Thanks for all the help Dragon, I'm going to read through the link you gave me. If I'm still stuck I might give you a shout. Thanks again! [02:22] Is it considered safe do do the KU 904 > 910 upgrade now? [02:23] fa4anaheim- there's a section there about how to change it permanently [02:23] That's what I need... [02:26] rejohn1: upgrade should work ok, no raisefs4 nor grub2 then, but should work [02:26] rejohn1: It was considered safe when 9.10 was released. What are your concerns? [02:27] DaskreeCh: I read that there were problems, maybe w/ Ub 9.10 [02:28] rejohn1: run 9.10 live cd see if everything works [02:29] I'm running KU 9.04 with the KDE 4 updates from the launchpad ppa, installed maybe 0906. Are there any special instructions for doing the upgrade from that to the standard KU 9.10? [02:29] rejohn1: There will always be problems. you are upgrading a few thousand programs along with settings and new kernels nderlying all of them. If there were no problems the world would implode from the gasp of surprise === fernando is now known as Guest82139 [02:29] DaskreeCh: I'm just trying to ensure the major bugs are out of the upgrade process to 9.10 [02:29] rejohn1: The upgrade will disable the ppa. The packages in 9.10 are newer so it should be a clean upgrade [02:30] DaskreeCh: so, i just follow the regular upgrade process, no special instructions cause i ws using the later kde? [02:30] rejohn1: What would be wise is to check your hardware compatibilty. There were some driver regressions so check out any problems with your wifi sound and video card in 9.10 [02:30] rejohn1: No changes needed [02:31] DaskreeCh: check out using the live cd, or in what way? [02:31] Fanfare: That's for you ^^6 [02:48] hi guys! how can I find out what's wrong with my Linux installation. It freezes a lot and I have to REISUB or physically power off to get it back. It does that a lot [02:52] hello there [02:52] After I asked my question above about upgrading to 9.10, I had a konqueror window pop up with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions - was that window pop up caused by a command from someone in this channel? [02:53] can anybody help me with a big issue with my wifi in kubuntu 9.10 [02:55] dunga: Video card drivers [02:55] rejohn1: not by me [02:55] !wifi | francisco__ [02:55] francisco__: Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [02:55] hi _2 [02:55] <_2> what is going on fellowz [02:55] <_2> DaskreeCh shalom [02:56] <_2> long C no time [02:56] I know [02:56] Been out of the helping people thing for a while [02:56] !wifi | francisco__ [02:56] Curses [02:56] yes sorry i am new in this matter [02:56] francisco_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [02:57] <_2> what are the new specs ? kubuntu 9.10 ? kde 4.??? ? [02:59] Daskreech: sorry - thought nobody was active. my graphic adapter, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controlle [02:59] _2: specs? Specs would be for 10.04 [02:59] <_2> i'm still using 6.6 dapper drake on three boxen debian etch on another. just wondering what the latest "common problems" were. [03:00] dunga: Switch your driver to vesa and sit out 3D for 9.10 [03:00] <_2> and is 10.4 an lts release ? [03:00] _2: Right so you canre about 10.04 [03:00] Yes it is [03:00] <_2> cool i'll have to uptoit [03:01] dunga: The Intel driver went nuts for that chipset sometime in 9.04 and got worse in 9.10 It should be fixed by Feb so 10.04 will be stable again (hopefully) [03:01] _2: it's in alpha right now [03:01] DaskreeCh: I use Mint 7 based on Jaunty. Let me see what happens when I switch to VESA. Thanks a lot for helping [03:02] <_2> heh ten four sounds like a release for a citicens band distro :> [03:02] <_2> DaskreeCh kubuntu+1 ? [03:02] _2: Hopefully it will arrest some problems :) [03:02] _2: KDE 4.4 was just merged in and is on the road for being a fine release [03:03] _2: you've been avoiding KDE 4 up until now? [03:04] <_2> DaskreeCh avoiding "fixing what isn't broken" more than anything else. [03:04] _2: Well if you like KDE 3 has an unsupported repo in 10.04 [03:04] !kde3 [03:04] Kubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support, instructions and ways to contribute can be found on the wiki page [03:04] ha that needs to be updated [03:05] anybody good with kdenlive? [03:05] there's lots of kubuntu stuff that needs updating, things have been moving fast in the last year or so [03:06] DaskreeCh: do you know if people in the channel have to capability to cause konq to pop up with that url? [03:06] KDE moves quite fast Ubuntu Docs are getting to be quite the unmainteind forest though [03:07] rejohn1: I would doubt it. If someone gave a link and you clicked on it (even unintentionally) it would pop up though [03:07] Roasted: Want to ask the question? [03:07] I see this url: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu But, is there a description of a way to upgrade 904 to 910 using the command line? [03:07] Roasted: also #kdenlive is quite friendly [03:08] Though they do have a strong tendency to the SVN version which is a good deal better than the latest release [03:08] rejohn1: sudo do-release-upgrade [03:08] my kdenlive question is very simple - I have a fade out on a picture. Real simple, right? Too bad it doesnt fade out. Its something so small and its enraging me. [03:09] DaskreeCh: thx - is that process described in a web page someplace? [03:09] two pictures in a row, 1 fades out, 1 does not, both have the same setting [03:10] rejohn1: on the Ubuntu upgrade page it's the same as the server upgrade [03:10] Roasted: Same codec? [03:10] same codec? *shrug* [03:10] I dont know man. Its my first time using this program. [03:10] Roasted: I honestly don't know I"m just asking. #kdenlive sounds like a proper place to get a knowledgeable anwser [03:11] I just added 2 pictures, added face effect, and one works 1 doesnt [03:11] Im in that chat now [03:11] nobody is responding [03:12] Roasted: It's a much smaller channel can't expect it lively all the time :) [03:12] <_2> Roasted are the paciures the same format ? [03:12] cancel that [03:12] both of them dont fade out now [03:12] this is ungodly frustrating [03:12] such a smallt hing [03:13] I assume so, they were taken with the same camera to the best of my memory [03:13] all JPG's [03:13] Ah pictures [03:13] yeah [03:13] tryin to make my lady friend a slide show for Christmas :P [03:14] Hmm again I have no ideas as to how this stuff works but perhaps try making one fade out a second or so after the other [03:14] well isnt that friendly of them [03:14] I posted in the chat [03:14] "hey guys" [03:14] their response was "were not here". Oh. Okay. Thank you. [03:15] Whichversion are you using btw? [03:15] 0.7.3 on KDE 4.3.2 [03:18] hey i am trying to install the plasma-netbook files but im getting a dependencie problem does kubuntu netbook work in kde 4.4? [03:21] plasma-netbook-dpg wont install [03:22] daskreech can you give me an idea to know which wifi i have in my laptop [03:23] <_2> regex question howto find piriod followed by any char except space ? >looking.for< >but. not< [03:23] francisco_: lshw -C network [03:24] _2- \.[^ ] [03:25] Assuming you're using Perl-style [03:25] <_2> Dragnslicer ty [03:25] <_2> yes thanks [03:25] and this work for wifi [03:25] it is say realtek [03:25] id 0 [03:26] i think this is for lancard but wired [03:27] Help, please: I'm getting this failure: do-release-upgrade Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found , but: [03:27] lsb_release -a // No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 9.04 Release: 9.04 Codename: jaunty [03:28] Any ideas? [03:29] francisco_: try typing sudo lshw -C network [03:29] iconmefisto this command it is useful for wifi too [03:29] thanks Daskreech trying right now [03:29] rejohn1: Umm hold on [03:29] DaskreeCh: thanks, holding [03:30] rejohn1: can you tell me if sudo do-release-upgrade -d finds 10.04 ? [03:31] Daskreech this is useful for wifi too [03:32] francisco_: yes. If you are not seeing anything check if you hardware kill switch is off [03:32] DaskreeCh: it's working, doing some downloading [03:32] how can i do that cause it is not present [03:33] hi! Does anybody know how to change text console resolution? I tried vga=ask kernel argument, but it results in 'vga=ask is deprecated' message. Also tried directly using mode ## from grub vesa info command, did not work too. [03:33] it is appear off in led wifi [03:33] has to be off how can i turn on [03:34] <_2> mine has a switch on the case... [03:34] rejohn1: Woah stop it [03:34] switch is on my dear [03:34] DaskreeCh: it did not mention 1004. it did say: [03:34] 18 packages are going to be removed. 163 new packages are going to be [03:34] installed. 921 packages are going to be upgraded. [03:35] francisco_: flick it on and off [03:35] rejohn1: did you type do-release-upgrade -d ? [03:35] how please [03:35] francisco_: I don't know I dont' know what kind of laptop you have [03:36] Zenith88: Koala? [03:36] hp 6925la [03:36] DaskreeCh: as root, i typed: "root@ :~/apt# do-release-upgrade -d" [03:36] DaskreeCh: yes, 9.10 [03:37] rejohn1: That should upgrade you to 10.04 so please don't let it continue [03:37] Zenith88: You'd have to follow the grub2 not the grub sequence I think [03:38] DaskreeCh: thanks, btw, i've beeen doing "apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade" for months, to get the latest packages. Any suggestions? [03:38] DaskreeCh: Sorry, I am new to this whole grub thing. What exactly do I have to do? And I guess it's related - how can I boot into text only mode? [03:39] DaskreeCh: I tried telinit, but it's quite different than SysV init, sometimes it will switch modes on me, sometimes not... [03:40] rejohn1: umm use sudo? [03:40] Suggestions for what? [03:40] DaskreeCh: how to upgrade to 910., [03:40] DaskreeCh: I was root, so i shouldn't need to do sudo. [03:40] Zenith88: Umm I'd guess you need to sit somewhere between #upstart and #grub to get your answer [03:41] rejohn1: what does do-release-upgrade say? [03:41] DaskreeCh: do-release-upgrade Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found [03:41] DaskreeCh: That went over my head [03:42] Zenith88: join #grub and ask there. If you hit on problem then #upstart may be helpful [03:42] But you should probably start in #grub [03:43] Did you upgrade to 9.10 or did you do a clean install? [03:43] francisco_: can you pastebin the output of sudo lshw ? [03:44] DaskreeCh: Thx! [03:45] <_2> Zenith88 i would think that console size is a kernel "thang" maybe asking in #linux #kernel or #linuxhelp would be more productive [03:46] DaskreeCh: any suggestion on how to get the upgrade to 910 going properly? [03:49] DaskreeCh: was that a suggestion from you that i should join #upstart? [03:51] rejohn1: have you tried sudo do-release-upgrade as normal user? [03:51] iconmefisto: no, i can try that, though. I did the dru as root. [03:54] iconmefisto: same result as before, when doing dur as normal user: no new release found. [03:54] iconmefisto: suggestions for getting the upgrade to work? [03:54] same result for the gui method? [03:55] iconmefisto: DaskreeCh btw, i have 904 with the launchpad ppa update for kde 4 in my sources.list. - in case that matters. [03:56] iconmefisto: i haven't tried the gui method, because i prefer to do console update, so i can script save the output, in case i need to debug something, [03:56] iconmefisto: i could try it, though. [03:57] alt-F2, and type update-notifier-kde -u [03:58] iconmefisto: did you see DaskreeCh 's note to me indicating that by one command he suggested, it was going to try to do an upgrade to 10.04? I want to make sure the gui method doesn't doan upgrade to 10.04 [03:58] rejohn1: Ah right. Ok so lets try update manager [03:58] I am drawing a blank here guys. I have something that is using up to 2. [03:58] DaskreeCh: are you telling me i should not do the gui method? [03:58] 2.5 mbit of my eth0 [03:59] Is there an application that will identify what is using the network device? [03:59] DaskreeCh: what is your current suggestion for me - how use the update manager? [04:00] Werenerd: snort [04:00] rejohn1: Ah seems they may have taken out update-manager [04:00] DaskreeCh: ok, go on [04:00] rejohn1: I think you are set to only update to LTS [04:01] !broadcom | francisco_ [04:01] francisco_: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [04:01] DaskreeCh: aside from that being funny, what do you think of that app? [04:01] DaskreeCh: hmm. 1) why? 2) how? 3) how can i get upgraded to 9.10? [04:02] Werenerd: It's well known and pretty well renowned. You can try wireshark as well though that's more a of a network hacking monitor [04:02] rejohn1: does alt+F2 -> update-notifier-kde -u find 9.10 ? [04:03] rejohn1: oh umm can you check if update-manager-core is installed? [04:04] DaskreeCh: alt+F2 -> update-notifier-kde -u says: no new upgrade availale [04:05] DaskreeCh: ii update-manager-core 1:0.111.10 manage release upgrades [04:06] DaskreeCh: suggestions? [04:08] rejohn1: grep rompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [04:09] DaskreeCh: Prompt=normal [04:09] rejohn1: What does it say? [04:09] Curses! [04:10] DaskreeCh: one of those days, eh? what's the prolem? [04:11] after this it's starting to look at network proxy issues I think [04:11] DaskreeCh: ok, here's a thought: [04:11] DaskreeCh: right now i'm direct on the internet, [04:12] right [04:12] DaskreeCh: but, usually i connect with celll phone isp, [04:12] Ah yeah perhaps [04:12] DaskreeCh: that isp has a proxy, [04:13] DaskreeCh: actually, you lead me down the right path. I think Etherape will do teh trick for me. Unfortunately it is a GTK app [04:13] DaskreeCh: which has required me to set up something for apt, to get through that proxy, [04:13] sudo http_proxy="http://ip:port" do-release-upgrade [04:13] DaskreeCh: I haven't disabled that, iirc. i sset it up a long time ago & i'm not sure exactly what or where the setting is, prob in /etc/apt? [04:14] rejohn1: I'm confused as to why -d works though [04:16] DaskreeCh: actually, checking /etc/apt, i now _donot_ have that file (apt.conf) in place. I've renamed that file to .back, so the "Acquire::http::Proxy "http://wap.metropcs.net:3128/";" line is _not_ in place right now. [04:17] DaskreeCh: i renamed that file a month ago, probably to let me apt-update on the direct inet connection. [04:18] and apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop says wht is the candidate? [04:18] DaskreeCh: actually, i'm accessing the inet through a wireless network, so i'm not wired to the net, but iirc there is no proxy blocking my computer even though i'm using wifi. [04:20] ^^^^ rejohn1 [04:21] DaskreeCh: kubuntu-desktop: Installed: 1.122 Candidate: 1.122 Version table: *** 1.122 0 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [04:22] DaskreeCh: thoughts? [04:23] kick sudo do-release-upgrade ? [04:23] DaskreeCh: meaning? "kidk"? -- is that a command? [04:24] rejohn1: no I mean find very thick shoes and kick the commands behind as hard as you can then shout "Get to work" at it [04:26] DaskreeCh: as root, not using sudo, "do-release-upgrade" > "no new release found" [04:26] rejohn1: I'm guessing you ran apt-get update already? [04:26] rejohn: yes [04:26] DaskreeCh: "apt-get update" then "apt-get dist-upgrade" erarlier today [04:27] DaskreeCh: suggestions? [04:27] I"m sorely tempted to do a manual upgrade [04:28] DaskreeCh: how many steps, aprox, is that? &, does the "do-r-u" thing run a script that checks stuff, & moves stuff around, etc? [04:29] DaskreeCh: where's the procedure for manual upgrade - url? [04:29] There is none [04:30] It's just something I used to do before I got lazy and did things the supported way [04:30] what does do-release-upgrade -m say ? [04:30] DaskreeCh: what's your position in the KU project? just a user, or do you work for cannonical? [04:30] what does do-release-upgrade -m desktop sorry [04:32] DaskreeCh: Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found [04:32] rejohn1: basically no one in KU works for Canonical [04:32] rejohn1: replace desktop with server [04:33] DaskreeCh: what do you think the cause of my upgrade inability is: is it a Ub or KUb issue? [04:34] DaskreeCh: 2) replace d w server: do you mean using a sw upgrade procedure, or by doing a reinstall ala from cd? [04:34] DaskreeCh: 3) might i just dl & install KU 910 from cd? [04:35] rejohn1: do-release-upgrade -m server is what I mean [04:37] rejohn1: pull http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.10/kubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso while we wait [04:38] rejohn1: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade [04:38] I need help applying a patch... [04:41] hi francisco_ [04:41] ... [04:41] hi [04:41] fa4anaheim: and? [04:41] sorry i was trying to solve the problem i have with your directions [04:42] I need help applying a patch... [04:42] fa4anaheim: ok [04:42] It's for the apple keyboard, specifically the "FN" key... [04:43] right [04:44] hola kopete 0.80.2 dice que soporta webcam pero no envia ni resive alguien sabe como puedo hacer [04:44] I have the .gz in my home dir [04:44] !es | lordars [04:44] lordars: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [04:45] fa4anaheim: ok good [04:45] francisco_: what's the problem? [04:46] So I "gunzip xkb-apple-aluminium-kdb-iso.patch.gz | patch -p1... [04:46] right [04:47] DaskreeCh: "No new release found" [04:47] DaskreeCh: i'm dl'ing the cd. any other suggestions? any idea what the cause of the problem is? [04:47] ...and I get this, "gzip: xkb-apple-aluminium-kdb-iso.patch: unknown suffix -- ignored" [04:48] rejohn1: None. It should check the version of some of your key files and check that against the server [04:48] rejohn1: can you run grep armi /etc/apt/sources.list ? [04:52] DaskreeCh: finds nothing matching [04:53] rejohn1: Ok that's good [04:54] DaskreeCh: who writes the "do-release-upgrade"? Ub, or KUB people? [04:56] ub [04:56] You can open it in a text editorand look at it [04:58] hi hi.. i'm a new kde4 user [04:59] i'm usually a GNOME user, i am just trying out KDE4.. was wondering if anyone here has experience in setting Kubuntu (KDE4) up for netbooks... [05:00] francisco_: can you run lsmod | grep b43 ? [05:00] McLinux: you mean the netbook edition of KDE ? [05:00] ok wait [05:00] i have the ubuntu netbook remix.. just installed kubuntu-desktop [05:00] its a little tight for space (particularyl on taskbar, etc) [05:01] yes nothing appear DaskreeCh [05:01] McLinux: sudo apt-get install plasma-netbook [05:01] DaskreeCh: suggestions? Do you think someone in #ubuntu might have a valueable insight on this? [05:02] I think it's possible but I think they would be as confused [05:02] hm [05:02] what exactly is that.. i've just installed it [05:03] relog and see the difference ? [05:03] Blah [05:05] oh i see [05:05] rahter interesting === papashou is now known as McLinux [05:05] DaskreeCh: what do you do IRL ;) [05:05] there's still a taskbar on the bottom + icons on the top? [05:06] so, Im a little confused about something. Im on two laptops right now. a mac, and a kubuntu laptop. Tthe mac sees my samba server. The kubuntu laptop does not. Why?? [05:07] rejohn1: Curse programs that don't do what they say they should do [05:08] McLinux: press alt+F2 and type kquitapp plasma-desktop [05:08] McLinux: Does the taskbar go away? [05:08] Ive been looking into it and Kubuntu looks a like it might be a lot "prettier" for my gaming box... Will I lose any speed and how hard is it to get used ot the new environment? [05:08] yea it does that worked, interesting [05:09] i guess i have another question.. the top bar (for kubuntu-netbook).. disappears wehn i go into an app [05:09] is that typical? [05:11] McLinux: press alt+F2 and type plasma-netbook [05:11] McLinux: apps run full screen I think [05:12] DaskreeCh: what company do you curse programs for? [05:13] Alteroo Consulting [05:13] yeah not automatically though, it seems that ubuntu's default netbook remix is a little more predictable [05:13] McLinux: If you think that a certain action should be omni present file a bug on it [05:14] i'm not going to file bugs until i understand how it functions well enough to file bugs on it. [05:14] otherwise i'll add about 100 of them. [05:15] That's fine :) [05:16] do you speak for the kde developers / [05:17] the kde developers speak for the kde developers [05:17] so? [05:17] How hard is it to get used to KDE compared to GNOME? [05:17] i don't care if they speak for themselves. [05:17] prob not hard at all, Tiders.. there are subtle differences but nothing like trying to push black buttons o na black screen. [05:18] It's a matter of learning how it is set up and works. [05:18] Tiders: umm used to it? I dunno some people may never become used to it [05:18] McLinux, One thing I dont understand... Do Ubuntu programs run on KDE? Like I notice a lot of programs that are seperate does that mean things like Cedega or Crossover installed from .debs wont run? [05:18] They are both fairly easy to figure out [05:18] anyways.. on the "home" screen.. am I supposed to see running apps in the box in the top middle ? [05:18] Tiders: All programs can run under both [05:18] Tiders: you can run GNOME apps on KDE and vice versa.. provided you have all the libraries required. [05:19] McLinux: If you have apps running then yes [05:19] Ok, cuz I do..a nd I don't see it there. [05:19] McLinux, Oh so its just the included libraries that differentiate? [05:19] The "By default" libraries, yes... [05:20] really if you're running under GNOME you would try and stick to GNOME/GTK apps because that would be 'quicker' to load.. [05:20] because Gnome already is using those libraries and has them loaded [05:20] KDE apps would then appear to suffer a loading time penalty because it has to load all the libs that wasn't loaded in the absence of KDE4 desktop environment [05:20]