[00:26] <_Groo_> brb...
[01:01] <DanaG> kwin(6358) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: Detected driver "radeon" , version "(RV.200"
[01:01] <DanaG> kwin(6358) KWin::Workspace::setupCompositing: Compositing is turned off in options or disabled
[01:07] <DanaG> argh, can't use kde4.4 compositing.
[01:20] <_Groo_> DanaG: yeah same problem here
[01:20] <DanaG> Only works on fglrx, not on radeon.
[01:20] <_Groo_> DanaG: on another news, i just finished creating virtuoso 5.0.12, working as a charm, already converting by old sesame2 backend
[01:20] <DanaG> virtuoso?  is that that thing that's always being complained about by Nepomuk, whatever that is?
[01:20] <_Groo_> DanaG: told ya... aparently they fixed it in beta2 - wink wink.. pleaseeeeeeeee compile it ! :D
[01:21] <_Groo_> DanaG: yep, the backend needed for nepomuk to work now
[01:22] <DanaG> I'm also curious what you can do with a tdfx card (Voodoo3) nowadays.
[01:22] <DanaG> Anything?
[01:23] <_Groo_> DanaG: a good barbecue?
[01:23] <DanaG> Or a fingerprint burn-off device?
[01:23] <DanaG> =þ
[01:24] <naught101> how stable is Lucid alpha1, compared to Karmic alpha1 when it was released?
[01:24] <_Groo_> DanaG: eheheh
[01:25] <_Groo_> naught101: define stable
[01:25] <_Groo_> can someone point me to a good diff/patch howto? wanna do a diff for the virtuoso package
[01:31] <yoasif> naught101, there are definitely weird bugs -- weirder than karmic in my experience, but it really depends
[01:40] <bjsnider> _Groo_, you want to create a patch?
[01:44] <yoasif> anyone around?
[01:45] <_Groo_> bjsnider: yes, just read the quilt howto.. already did it.. im finishing my virtuoso 5.0.12 package to send to my ppa
[01:49] <bjsnider> hahaha buggy was asking for retroshare to be packaged... there are ubuntu packages right here on the downloads page.
[01:50] <yoasif> heya -- im not sure about this, but i'm running kile in gnome, and it doesn't use gtk widgets (in lucid) -- isn't it supposed to have gtk+ widgets if i change it in qt4config?
[01:55] <DanaG> heh, cacafire over serial is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
[01:59] <crimsun> naught101: if you're tracking any Ubuntu development series, you can't stay with a static Alpha
[02:00] <crimsun> naught101: we push updates constantly, so it's pretty much essential to stay current with updates after reading the appropriate announcement venues (-devel/IRC)
[02:07] <bjsnider> crimsun, interesting that you would say that
[02:08] <bjsnider> why do alpha/beta releases at the expense of the daily-live releases?
[02:08] <naught101> crimsun: I know, I was just looking for two points in common
[02:08] <naught101> bjsnider: there are daily releases...
[02:09] <bjsnider> yes there are daily releases
[02:09] <bjsnider> that's the whole point
[02:09] <crimsun> bjsnider: point testing tends to be easier with a "frozen" milestone
[02:10] <naught101> bjsnider: so the alphas/betas aren't at the expense of the dailies...
[02:10] <bjsnider> naught101, in practice, they are
[02:11] <bjsnider> we get people in here who just installed an alpha/beta that's 4 days old reporting bugs that have been fixed and released into the daily-live cd
[02:12] <naught101> ... if people aren't cluey enough to work out to upgrade via apt, then they're gonna have even more problems with dailies, cause they're gonna be downloading ISOs constantly, and putting more load on the server
[02:14] <bjsnider> what about people who are doing a fresh install because they don't yet have any ubuntu?
[02:15] <yoasif> dailies are for iso testing...
[02:15] <yoasif> alpha releases are for installation
[02:17] <bjsnider> i don't believe that's the case, no
[02:20] <i_is_broke> there isnt a way to get it to update via internet for the the dailies? without downloading and iso?
[02:21] <DanaG> umm... there are repositories for a reason.
[02:21] <DanaG> =þ
[02:23] <i_is_broke> just asking...im sorry im not as experienced at this as most of you.im still learning.
[02:25] <i_is_broke> so when it tell the computer to aptitude update its looking the repos for a daily build
[02:25] <i_is_broke> ?
[02:25] <i_is_broke> oops i tell^^
[02:25] <arand> !apt
[02:26] <i_is_broke> ok?
[02:28] <IdleOne> apt/aptitude checks the packages in the repos against the packages on your computer if their are newer versions available in the repos then it offers to download and install them
[02:28] <yoasif> i_is_broke, what are you asking exactly
[02:28] <yoasif> yeah, what IdleOne said
[02:29] <arand> i_is_broke: apt-get/aptitude updates a development version just as it does a normal ubuntu system, just that there are way more upgrades happening now in the development stage...
[02:29] <i_is_broke> ok, but i didnt know that consisted of a daily build for the iso.
[02:30] <i_is_broke> i know what apt is.and understand most of how it did things, just didnt realize it did that as well.
[02:30] <IdleOne> the daily builds are meant for testing the installation process basically
[02:31] <IdleOne> among other things I'm sure
[02:32] <i_is_broke> ok
[02:32] <IdleOne> i_is_broke: if you want to keep up to date after installing/upgrading to alpha 1 then run the usual updates and upgrades everyday sometimes 2 or 3 times a day
[02:33] <i_is_broke> IdleOne, i run updates every evening, figured they would most likely be in by then.
[02:33] <i_is_broke> considering where i live.
[02:33] <IdleOne> sounds right
[02:49] <DanaG> hmm, anyone know how to set screen resolution in xorg.conf, for non-xrandr drivers?
[03:46] <bjsnider> DanaG, enter the horizsync and vertrefresh values and then it will be driven up to its native resolution automatically, in theory
[03:49] <DanaG> Anyway, I got that tdfx "working"... but got all sorts of weird assertion failures from glxinfo.
[03:49] <DanaG> glxinfo: ../common/drirenderbuffer.c:69: driNewRenderbuffer: Assertion `format == 0x1908 || format == 0x8050 || format == 0x8058 || format == 0x81A5 || format == 0x81A6 || format == 0x81A7 || format == 0x8D48' failed.
[05:34] <i_is_broke> doesnt okular open pdf files?
[05:40] <RAOF> i_is_broke: Yes, it does.
[05:42] <i_is_broke> yeah it does, i was going about it backwards...should of tried the way i just did first.
[11:30] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[11:48] <i_is_broke> good morning BUGabundo_work
[11:49] <i_is_broke> well i dont know how good it is yet, theres snow on the ground here..:(
[11:50] <BUGabundo_work> hi i_is_broke
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> no snow hre
[11:51] <i_is_broke> its not much, enough to make the roads slick.
[11:52] <i_is_broke> hey i got a duh question, where is it that they work on ubuntu at?? what time zone is it in.
[11:53] <BUGabundo_work> i_is_broke: all over the world
[11:54] <i_is_broke> well when they send out updates where are they coming from? if you know what i mean. trying to figure out when the best time to run update would be.
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> i_is_broke: its from main server and other mirrors
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> it can came anytime
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> once the devs with privs to upload to the builders do it
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> and once builders finish building it, and push it to archives
[11:57] <i_is_broke> ah i see. ok, well then ill keep doing it like i have been...just checking it in the evening then.cause it seems like the best time for me.
[11:57] <joaopinto> i_is_broke, there is no "best time" for upgrades, except for the alphas and betas, which have freezes
[11:57] <joaopinto> apart from that, it's just random
[11:57] <i_is_broke> yeah i understood that.
[11:58] <joaopinto> actually there is a best time, do it always when you have enough free time afterward in case you need to rescue :D
[11:59] <i_is_broke> joaopinto, yeah i hear you there...been there done that..lol
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> joaopinto: ahaha
[12:11] <i_is_broke> hmmm imagine that 13 updates and its only 6:15 am
[12:12] <i_is_broke> ah its mostly cups.
[12:18] <crimsun> should be an alsa-lib update soon, too
[12:19] <crimsun> I think I've spun more uploads in the past week than I have in a year
[12:28] <i_is_broke> wasnt any on this one just cups mainly.
[12:56] <BUGabundo_work> crimsun: ahahaha
[12:56] <BUGabundo_work> why so many ?
[13:40] <om26er_> can i make /home partition with btrfs?
[14:04] <Scott__> anyone using testdrive to test Lucid
[14:07] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_work, there are already ubuntu packages for that filesharing app you mentioned yesterday
[14:07] <bjsnider> on the project downloads page
[14:11] <Scott__> anyone using testdrive to test Lucid
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work> bjsnider: thanks
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work> i tested it a bit last night
[14:23] <BUGabundo_work> althoug the UI and features are really nice
[14:23] <BUGabundo_work> the "friends" integration sucks
[14:23] <BUGabundo_work> as it requires shared Key files :(
[14:23] <bjsnider> it would probably be very secure though
[15:13] <soee> hi
[15:21] <r00t_> Is lucid stable enough that a linux nooB would be able to try it out?
[15:22] <r00t_> whats the magor changes? Im esp interested in new/addded eyecandy
[15:26] <BUGabundo_work> r00t_: its not
[15:27] <BUGabundo_work> please get used to the way Ubuntu (and GNU/Linux in general)  work
[15:27] <BUGabundo_work> before trying to run a devel release on your day to day maching
[15:28] <BUGabundo_work> we appreciate your intusiasme and would love to have your feedback
[15:28] <BUGabundo_work> but some much can and will break, that it makes it hard to recomment you to run it on your own
[15:55] <bjsnider> Amaranth, ping
[15:58] <tj83_> hello all, in a bit of a pickle, I just installed Lucid and upon install of the nvidia drivers ver 185, my system no longer starts x, i get a shell only. any quick fixes before i try the binaries from nvidia?
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> tj83_: to get a working X until you can get the new drivers, you can edit the driver setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "nvidia" to "nv"
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> then you can change it back once you get the new drivers
[16:03] <tj83_> JontheEchidna: well, i actually tried that, but will again, stuck in irssi lol
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> hmm...
[16:03] <tj83_> JontheEchidna: so are you saying that the repo version drivers are known to be busted and the binaries from nvidia are the current choice?
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> there might be a PPA somewhere with 190 or 195 version drivers, but I've not been keeping up with it too mucch
[16:04] <tj83_> JontheEchidna: k, ty, check back in a bit
[16:20] <genii> Whenever I try to install nvidia-glx-185 it wants to remove any *buntu-desktop package, along with xserver-xorg ....
[16:27] <bjsnider> genii, people report to me that my 195 ppa version works but i think at this point it's a crapshoot
[16:27] <bjsnider> nobody's sent me any useful info on why it doesn't work, only reports that it does
[16:28] <bjsnider> and the situations where it doesn't work, you never know what crap the user has installed that might be interfering
[16:30] <genii> bjsnider: This current chicken-egg situation is on a fresh install, standard repos, etc.
[16:31] <genii> bjsnider: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/testing-ppa  ?
[16:33] <bjsnider> no, not the testing ppa
[16:33] <genii> OK
[16:33] <bjsnider> that's for testing...
[17:31] <genii> bjsnider: Well, that worked, finally
[17:33] <bjsnider> finally?
[17:34] <genii> bjsnider: I'd been fiddling with it on and off for about a week, but no joy on getting X to start when using the nvidia-glx drivers.
[17:35] <genii> ( Kubuntu desktop in this instance )
[17:38] <bjsnider> nobody uses kde anymore
[18:12] <tj83_> hello all, on my 4th install of Lucid today, can someone give me info about issues with installing the nvidia drivers? after install all seems well, i have installed the proprietary drivers for nvidia once after an update, and once after a dist-update, I have installed via "Hardware Drivers" and via manual install, I have ran nvidia-xconfig, yet with all of these methods, after install of the drivers i get only a shell, even reverting
[18:12] <tj83_>  xorg.conf back to "nv" driver proves same result only the shell login.
[18:13] <tj83_> right now i am at a clean install once again without attempting to enable the drivers, advice would be highly appreciated, Should I give the binaries directly from nvidia a shot? or can i get the repo versions working some way?
[18:15] <tj83_> has anyone else installed lucid with the nvidia drivers recently with success?
[18:16] <DanaG> I believe xorg-edgers ppa has a newer nvidia driver that should work.
[18:16] <tj83_> DanaG, ty for the reply. is that the accepted approach right now?
[18:17] <DanaG> I'm not sure of that... I've just heard (or rather, read) other people talking about it.
[18:17] <DanaG> If you don't want all of the xorg-edgers stuff, then you can just manually download the nvidia packages.
[18:17] <tj83_> ok, great, thanks DanaG
[18:22] <tj83_> DanaG, am i missing something or is just not here? https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/drivers-only
[18:23] <genii> tj83_: I just had this issue, used bjsnider's ppa nvidia drivers and X finally started up
[18:23] <tj83_> genii, can you give a URL plz?
[18:23] <genii> tj83_: Gimme a minute
[18:24] <tj83_> np ty genii
[18:25] <tj83_> rough start for Lucid eh? :) while not everyone was so fortunate at first in karmic, atleast the nvidia guys were lucky, seems not so much this time around.
[18:27] <tj83_> genii, i think i got the url thanks tho
[18:28] <genii> tj83_: https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/ppa   click on the Technical Details about this PPA     for the sources.list sample entries. Might need to add the gpg key etc
[18:29] <tj83_> genii, ok, but is this for karmic or will it matter?
[18:29] <genii> tj83_: I'm using it on Lucid
[18:29] <tj83_> alrighty TY
[18:29] <genii> tj83_: np
[18:30] <DanaG> add-apt-repository is easier.
[18:31] <DanaG> that ppa doesn't have lucid.
[18:31] <tj83_> yea, little concerned about it myself, when more things change, could be an issue?
[18:32] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/nvidia?field.series_filter=lucid
[18:32] <tj83_> DanaG, hey, now that's lookin nice
[18:34] <tj83_> yall wish me luck
[18:37] <bjsnider> those are built using the old style, now deprecated
[18:37] <DanaG> Old style?
[18:38] <bjsnider> libvdpau packages should not be built anymore
[18:38] <bjsnider> it's separate. my ppa has it the way it hsoud be done now
[18:38] <bjsnider> althogh it will change again when alberto finishes the new scripts for lucid
[18:38] <bjsnider> which i intend to backport to the other distros too
[18:39] <bjsnider> mario's ppa has it the right way
[18:43] <tj83_> DanaG, works perfect. using ver 195, genii I'd use DanaG 's source just letting you know it seems cool here for me now.
[18:43] <DanaG> mario's ppa?
[18:44] <DanaG> I just googled nvidia 195 lucid, to find it.
[18:44] <DanaG> the one I linked, I mean.
[18:51]  * Blues-Man au revoir
[18:56] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:59] <nperry> Odd, why does aptitude want to remove plymouth
[18:59] <nperry> But not want to install usplash again
[19:00] <nperry> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/344240/
[19:03] <Ian_Corne> nperry: broken dependencies?
[19:03] <nperry> Looks like it
[19:05] <nperry> ubuntu-standard doesnt depend on either usplash or plymouth
[19:10] <nperry> raised bug 499201
[20:32] <soee> what version of kde kubuntu 10.4 has now?
[20:33] <Tscheesy> KDE4.4 Beta1
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> 4.4 beta2 is building at the moment, however
[20:35] <soee> so beta 2 isnt avi yet ?
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> right. soon though
[20:35] <soee> ok thnx
[20:46] <BluesKaj> haven't used quassel much , is there a word wrap option somewhere ?
[20:51] <Tscheesy> BluesKaj: Shift-Enter perhaps?
[20:53] <Tscheesy> Is it this
[20:53] <Tscheesy> what you mean?
[20:53] <soee> is there a chance that we see kde 4.4 beta 4 pkgs today?
[20:53] <soee> *beta 2
[20:54] <Tscheesy> soee:  spreading the packages will also take it's time.. - so rather not
[20:55] <soee> ok, thanks Tscheesy
[20:56] <Tscheesy> soee: though i don't know your timezone ;D
[20:57] <soee> its cet :)
[21:16] <hggdh> anyone having issues with the XFCE panel?
[21:19] <hggdh> *and* with the ATI X driver?
[22:25] <Spirits-Sight> Hello, after doing the upgrade to 10.04 I am unable to get into gdm X it says some thing to do with localDisplay
[22:27] <joaopinto> Spirits-Sight, try login in into the console and: sudo service gdm start
[22:27] <joaopinto> gdm is also failing to start on me from boot
[22:27] <Spirits-Sight> so type sudo service gdm start? nothing else?
[22:28] <Spirits-Sight> I am using a nv video card which I believe was the cause
[22:28] <joaopinto> ah, ok, so yoour problem is probably different
[22:28] <joaopinto> on my case i just need to sart gdm manually
[22:29] <ToxinPowe> Hi, Anybody can tell me if NVIDIA's driver works in Lucid?
[22:29] <Spirits-Sight> ToxinPowe: as far as I can tell no as I am not able to get into gdm / x at this time
[22:30] <Spirits-Sight> after updateing from 9.10
[22:30] <ToxinPowe> ok, thanks
[22:39] <bjsnider> ToxinPowe, use the nvidia-vdpau ppa
[22:40] <hrocha> good evening
[22:40] <hrocha> i'm having trouble installing lucid
[22:41] <hrocha> the installer doesn't work
[22:41] <hrocha> i tried running the installer from the command line with "ubiquity --desktop gtk_ui" and it fails after the 8th step with the following error
[22:41] <hrocha> (gksudo:13636): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed
[22:45] <hrocha> do you know what might be the problem?
[22:47] <darthanubis> hrocha, did you try this in virtualbox first?
[22:47] <darthanubis> a livecd or something?
[22:47] <hrocha> no, my virtualbox doesn't support 64bit lucid
[22:47] <darthanubis> ??
[22:47] <darthanubis> all vboxes support 64bit
[22:48] <darthanubis> latest ones anyway
[22:48] <hrocha> i'm using the latest one and it says "trying to boot x86-64 on a i686 processor" or something like that
[22:48] <hrocha> i'm inside the live session now
[22:49] <hrocha> and tried running ubiquity from the command line to see if i could find the error
[22:49] <hrocha> from the error it seems that ubiquity is calling gksudo
[22:50] <DanaG> hmm, there's a #vbox channel, but it's sometimes very quiet in there.
[22:50] <hrocha> i don't need vbox since i'm using the live session
[22:50] <hrocha> let me check ubiquiti's code
[22:51] <douglasawh-work_> not really a +1 issue, but not really getting anything from #ubuntu...I've got a some full disk encryption going on.  How do I get that mounted?
[22:51] <spirits-sight> OK, I am in 10.04 system again YEAH
[22:52] <spirits-sight> OK I would like to know how can I get so I have full res again for my nviade <-spelt wrong video card?
[22:54] <DanaG> hmm, what card? google for "nvidia 195 lucid" if it's a recent one.
[22:55] <spirits-sight> yes it is I was using the 185 before and computer is less then year or there about
[22:55] <spirits-sight> thansk
[22:56] <bjsnider> spirits-sight, add the nvidia ppa and request the 195 driver
[22:57] <spirits-sight> bjsnider: what is the address or location for the ppa thanks
[22:58] <bjsnider> google nvidia-vdpau ppa
[23:02] <ToxinPowe> Anyone has Lucid on Vbox and miss the mouse pointer with visual efects? xD
[23:04] <hrocha> ok, i think i've found the bug by looking at ubiquiti's code
[23:05] <hrocha> it calls gksudo but sends it an empty password
[23:05] <hrocha> you can get the same error if you just run gksudo and press OK
[23:05] <hrocha> it aborts with the same assertion failure
[23:06] <spirits-sight> bjsnider: I seem not be able to just find what I need, if you don't mind could you assist?
[23:07] <spirits-sight> google is givening way to much
[23:08] <hrocha> how the hell am i going to fix this
[23:09] <ToxinPowe> hrocha, download install cd, no live-cd
[23:09] <hrocha> ToxinPowe, you mean the "alternate" cd?
[23:11] <ToxinPowe> I don't know what name is, pero yes, the "no-live" version works for me in virtualbox
[23:11] <ToxinPowe> I have this problem with ubiquity too
[23:11] <ToxinPowe> had*
[23:13] <ToxinPowe> hrocha, o better
[23:13] <ToxinPowe> start cd
[23:13] <ToxinPowe> and choose Install ubuntu
[23:13] <ToxinPowe> no live-cd system
[23:17] <hrocha> ToxinPowe, that doesn't work also
[23:17] <bjsnider> spirits-sight, what is your level of linux expertise at this point?
[23:17] <spirits-sight> soso
[23:17] <spirits-sight> I found this https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/nvidia?field.series_filter=lucid is it good
[23:18] <ToxinPowe> ok hrocha sry, works for me ;(
[23:18] <bjsnider> it's using the older packagin style that installs the libvdpau stuff thru the nvidia driver
[23:19] <bjsnider> spirits-sight, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[23:24] <spirits-sight> bjsnider: here goes keep figures crossed :-) restarting
[23:24] <soee> gush gimme beta 2 packages :)
[23:26] <bjsnider> Amaranth, ping
[23:27] <i_is_broke> crimsun, did you do a update for karmic recently?
[23:41] <spirits-sight> thanks bjsnider IT IS NOW working :-)
[23:42] <bjsnider> it is NOW working?
[23:42] <bjsnider> what graphics card is that?
[23:49] <spirits-sight> that the nvidia
[23:49] <spirits-sight> and yes its working NOW :-)
[23:50] <bjsnider> yes but which nvidia card?