[00:59]  * nalioth shakes his head at #freenode 
[01:08] <Seeker`> :/
[01:17] <Seeker`> @bansearch mesula
[01:17] <Seeker`> @login
[01:17]  * Seeker` kicks ubottu
[01:17] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:19] <Seeker`> can someone please confirm that mesula has a current ban in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[01:22] <Seeker`> Pici: *prod*
[01:22]  * Pici looks for his mouse
[01:23] <Seeker`> O.o
[01:27] <Seeker`> I'm still seeing  148 - #ubuntu-offtopic: ban *!*@host86-164-231-249.range86-164.btcentralplus.com by douglas.freenode.net, 2022403 secs ago
[01:27] <Seeker`> as being set, which is the ban ikonia set on mesula
[01:29] <Pici> Yes, I'm trying to confirm something though
[01:30] <Seeker`> what?
[01:32] <Seeker`> ?
[01:32] <Pici> Seeker`: ah, found it
[01:32] <Seeker`> what have you found?
[01:33] <Pici> Seeker`: Looks like thats the same creep that talks about young fit girls.
[01:33] <Seeker`> he is a repeat troll in -uk
[01:33] <Seeker`> permabanned there
[01:34] <Seeker`> no point putting a real name ban on
[01:34] <Seeker`> he will change it
[05:11] <MenZa> !-amaranth-#ubuntu-offtopic
[05:14] <Amaranth> MenZa: Again, you'd have to !unforget first :)
[05:14] <MenZa> :P
[05:14]  * MenZa pets Amaranth 
[06:39] <MenZa> ubottu: tell friendishan about msgthebot
[08:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:38] <Myrtti> ohai
[08:39]  * Myrtti hands dholbach a piece of Finnish gingerbread and some Finnish recipe glühwein
[08:40] <jussi01> oh Myrtti!!! wheres mine!!
[08:40] <dholbach> Myrtti: not sure I should drink Glühwein at the beginning of my work day :-D
[08:40] <dholbach> Myrtti: best to ask Jono first ;-)
[08:41] <Myrtti> dholbach: there's just enough of wine to put some rosiness on your cheeks, most of it is blackcurrant juice
[08:41] <Myrtti> wine acts as internal woollen jumper, that's all :-)
[08:41] <Myrtti> jussi01: here, have some kossu
[08:42] <dholbach> Myrtti: I have some rosiness on my cheeks - I just took the dog for a walk and before that helped my dad to change tires of the car :)
[08:42]  * jussi01 gulps... got more?
[08:43] <Myrtti> jussi01: no, you had the last drops
[08:43] <Myrtti> blackcurrant cordial for you too
[08:43] <jussi01> awww :/
[09:25] <Myrtti> I just got a Jurassic Park flashback
[09:25] <Myrtti> "this is Ubuntu?"
[09:25] <Flannel> I know this!
[09:26] <Myrtti> I also got a Simpsons flashback
[09:26] <Tm_T> ermmmm
[09:26] <Tm_T> 1125.04 < ukbot> Hi, Could a staffer set a cloak for an ubottu clone I'm working on for this nick please, my normal nick is DJones which has the normal unaffiliated cloak, I can pm details of my main account as needed
[09:26] <Myrtti> "this is Ubuntu?" "d'oh?"
[09:26] <Myrtti> Tm_T: and he asked that in #freenode?
[09:26] <Tm_T> yes
[09:26] <Tm_T> and some staff answered
[09:27] <Tm_T> aaand done
[09:27] <Myrtti> okies, carry on then
[09:27] <Tm_T> weird though
[09:27] <Myrtti> what is?
[09:27] <Tm_T> not asking in -irc as I would have expected
[09:27] <Myrtti> why would he?
[09:27] <Myrtti> it's not necessarily in any connection with Ubuntu
[09:28] <Tm_T> sure, just used to that
[09:28] <elky> he's asking for a /unaffiliated/djones/bot/whatever cloak i'd imagine
[09:28] <Flannel> Myrtti: didn't you get the memo? Only Ubuntu related people are allowed cloaks now!
[09:28] <Flannel> Myrtti: everyone else gets a dagger.
[09:29] <Myrtti> IN THE BACK!
[09:29] <Tm_T> ye, not that it's alarming, just found it weird somehow
[09:30]  * Tm_T has his medication messed up it seems
[09:33] <Tm_T> I even see tuesday coming too early
[09:33] <Flannel> Tuesday's coming, did you bring your coat?
[09:46] <Myrtti> does someone with more experience in compiling stuff want to help dsl_ in #ubuntu
[09:47] <Myrtti> he's trying to compile drivers for his label printer, and has tried but compiling process ends with no needed libraries installed
[09:47] <Myrtti> I know to tell him to install needed dev packages, but that's as far as my knowledge goes
[09:49] <Myrtti> I need breakfast before my stomach starts eating my pancrea
[10:16] <Myrtti> tea ♥
[10:28] <Myrtti> ok, time to do a test
[10:28] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:28] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:29] <Myrtti> ah, right
[10:29] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f2de325f6
[10:30] <Myrtti> I really hate that paste service
[10:31] <MenZa> Yes, but it's better than paste.ubuntu.com currently.
[10:31]  * MenZa growls.
[10:36] <MenZa> O halo thar jpdz.
[10:40] <Tm_T> MenZa: shame we have to live with "better than" instead of "good" ):
[10:41]  * Tm_T loses his nerves with barking dogs
[10:41] <MenZa> Oh, I agree, Tm_T.
[10:41] <Myrtti> dholbach: I noticed something that's missing from the Membership wikipage
[10:42] <dholbach> Myrtti: what is it?
[10:42] <Myrtti> it doesn't mention about the expiration of membership at all
[10:42] <Tm_T> MenZa: especially when they are right next to you
[10:45] <MenZa> Myrtti makes a good point, dholbach :o
[10:47] <Myrtti> noticed it when I saw a post in planet ubuntu by a person that's not actually a Ubuntu member. Not that I want his posts out of there, but his membership has expired, and I don't know if it's because of lack of knowledge of this expiration, or a concious decision.
[10:48] <MenZa> I assume noone thought of removing it from the planet config file.
[10:48] <Myrtti> I assume noone dares to remove jdub :-DDDDDD
[10:48] <MenZa> :D
[10:49] <Myrtti> um, yeah. We removed your blog from planet ubuntu... oh the almighty developer of... planetplanet.
[10:49] <MenZa> I think I still have the planet repo lying in my /home
[10:49] <Myrtti> *cough*
[10:49] <MenZa> After adding my blog
[10:59] <dholbach> Myrtti, MenZa: if you want to add something to the page, why don't you propose a piece of text and send it to the CC for review?
[11:00] <tonyyarusso> There is now someone in the config who was deactivated too.
[11:00] <Myrtti> dholbach: I'll see what I can whip up
[11:01] <dholbach> Myrtti: rock on
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> Also, neither of those people can remove themselves, since the bzr access uses LP group membership for rights.
[11:02] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso, dholbach: to be concise, there actually isn't any facts about Deactivated membership at all.
[11:02] <Myrtti> or then I fail to google
[11:03] <dholbach> I don't know what kind of information you want on there
[11:03] <dholbach> how to reactivate?
[11:03] <dholbach> I think it should be obvious enough to just have a chat with somebody at the RMBs or the CC
[11:03] <dholbach> but we can add a short text blurb about it, sure
[11:04] <MenZa> dholbach: "The term for Ubuntu membership is two years, after which membership of will expire. It is, of course, possible to re-apply for membership, following the same procedure as the one to gain membership initially." or something to that extent.
[11:04] <dholbach> no, you don't need to re-apply
[11:04] <dholbach> you can extend membership yourself
[11:04] <MenZa> I've not had to yet, so I wouldn't know :P
[11:04] <MenZa> I see
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> yeah, you just click a button
[11:04] <Myrtti> and that info is exactly... where? :-D
[11:04] <Myrtti> is it documented in the wiki?
[11:04] <dholbach> no
[11:05] <MenZa> I've read it somewhere.
[11:05] <dholbach> but it's like any other team in LP that is setup like that :)
[11:05] <jussi01> RMB's?
[11:05] <dholbach> Regional Membership Boards
[11:05] <Myrtti> dholbach: yes, but in the unlikely even that Ubuntu would use some other method than Launchpad to keep track of these things, it would be good to have all this information gathered up someplace in the wiki
[11:06] <dholbach> hum
[11:06] <dholbach> that's very unlikely
[11:06] <dholbach> :-)
[11:06] <Myrtti> or just for fallback situations
[11:06] <Myrtti> when launchpad is offline or such
[11:06] <dholbach> what for? :)
[11:06] <MenZa> it /ought/ to be documented
[11:06] <Myrtti> in any case, this is valuable information that ought to be documented somewhere
[11:07] <dholbach> what exactly do you want documented?
[11:07] <elky> dholbach, mine expired because i didn't notice the renewal spamz in with all the other launchpad mails. the process for rectifying accidental expiries isn't clear for people like menza
[11:07] <dholbach> ah ok, I see
[11:07] <dholbach> sure
[11:08] <Myrtti> reapplying, reactivation, rectifying accidental expiries, deactivation on purpose and how to do it and so on
[11:08] <Myrtti> for example "I want to deactivate my membership, what do I need to do"
[11:09] <elky> i want to deactivate my membership then go on an email rampage and get my membership back, what do i need to do?
[11:09] <Myrtti> and as we can see, the answer is not "click a button on Launchpad" since there are other services that are not so omnipotent of Launchpad and capable of coping the removed membership
[11:09]  * elky couldn't resist. goes to the corner of shame.
[11:09] <Myrtti> like planet planet, that doesn't have a method of removing blogs of deactivated/expired members
 maco: the openid use on pastebin is being reverted today :)
[11:10] <Myrtti> WOHEY!
[11:10] <elky> thank goodness
[11:10] <Myrtti> BRILLIANT
[11:10] <Myrtti> I was just about to write a rant blog post about it
[11:10] <dholbach> best to propose a piece of text and send to the CC :)
[11:11] <MenZa> GO POPEY
[11:11] <MenZa> I was going to write such a blog post too, Myrtti.
[11:11] <MenZa> But then, procrastination kicked in.
[11:11] <MenZa> Now I'm writing about the geometry of pizza.
[11:11] <MenZa> ._.
[11:12] <gord> did no one think of just y'know, bringing it up with the guys in charge instead of blog posts?
[11:12] <elky> gord, since it's being reverted, i'd guess someone did.
[11:12] <Myrtti> gord: I haven't seen anything that would have told me who was behind it or a message informing of it's implementation
[11:13] <elky> Myrtti, it'd be the web team, aka news2000 et al
[11:14] <elky> if it's a website, and under a canonical domain, they're the best guess at a first stop. ubuntu website does also have a launchpad "project"
[11:14] <elky> dholbach, can correct me if this situation has changed in the past year or so
[11:14] <dholbach> ubuntu-website is the project in LP, yes
[11:15] <Myrtti> oh well.
[11:15] <dholbach> newz2000 leads the ubuntu website editors team, there's others who have access too
[11:15] <Myrtti> it's being reverted, so no matter
[11:15] <dholbach> but I don't have too much insight into it
[11:15] <dholbach> so I don't know
[11:15] <elky> for future reference though
[11:15]  * Myrtti goes to her hiding place
[11:16] <elky> dholbach, you're likely to have more insight on to who to go and subject to a staring and pouting marathon than I am.
[11:16] <dholbach> what I meant to say is that I don't know much about how the websites are run
[11:23]  * jussi01 prods MenZa back into bots-devel
[12:20] <Myrtti> indus is on it again...
[13:42]  * Myrtti huggles elky 
[13:43] <elky> we have some utter tools in #u right now
[13:45] <elky> Myrtti, want to k quan_time and explain why ops are not ignore list material?
[13:46] <Myrtti> giving one more shot
[13:46] <Myrtti> and a new bowl of curry
[14:18]  * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee
[14:18]  * Myrtti makes a nice pot of tea for those who don't like coffee
[14:19] <genii> Myrtti: :)
[14:22] <Myrtti> Crikey
[14:23] <Myrtti> I almost coughed up a rice grain from my nose when my terminal made a beep noise
[14:30] <Myrtti> limcore at #ubuntu?
[14:38] <elky> wot?
[14:40] <elky> what are the floodbots freaking over?
[14:43] <ikonia> Myrtti: I removed limcores ban with agreement from jussi01 to give him a shot
[14:43] <Myrtti> ok
[14:43] <ikonia> the understand the first sign of an issue - he's gone - no discussion
[14:44] <Myrtti> that sentence doesn't make sense in my brain
[14:45] <ikonia> because I typed nonsense
[14:45] <Myrtti> thought so
[14:45] <ikonia> the ban was removed on the understanding of any problems he would be removed from the channel without discussion
[14:45] <Myrtti> ok
[14:54] <ikonia> Myrtti: I've just read his back scroll - he's gone, he can't control his language or his wise mouth comments when he's frustrated with ubuntu
[14:55] <Myrtti> I'm looking at the current situation brewing
[14:55] <ikonia> I've given him several prods in pm to keep him on the path over the last few weeks and he seemed to be ok - but if someone's not around to prod him, he goes back to normal
[14:55] <ikonia> Myrtti: which one ?
[14:55] <Myrtti> the one in #u
[14:58] <elky> anyway. 2am. g'nite
[17:11] <jpds> !ping
[17:11] <jpds> Right, now act in #ubuntu.
[17:25] <pleia2> you haz irc council now
[17:25] <Myrtti> ♥ brilliant
[17:25] <Myrtti> nhandler, tsimpson, topyli commiserations
[17:25]  * pleia2 hugs topyli, tsimpson and nhandler 
[17:25] <Myrtti> :-D
[17:25] <pleia2> lol
[17:25]  * nhandler hugs pleia2
[17:26] <nhandler> pleia2: The LP team still needs to be updated
[17:26] <pleia2> nhandler: yes, I mentioned that in the private email I sent you first :)
[17:27] <pleia2> give me a couple minutes, we just got the last CC vote in like 10 minutes ago!
[17:27] <pleia2> hehe
[17:27] <Myrtti> my offerings to the allmighty Tux have been acknowledged!
[17:27]  * tonyyarusso feels powerful
[17:27] <topyli> Myrtti, :)
[17:27] <topyli> well, we can get to work. that's the main thing
[17:28] <tonyyarusso> The CC picked precisely the three people I said I would recommend, and even mentioned them in their e-mail in the same order...
[17:28] <tonyyarusso> Also, congrats guys :)
[17:29] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: 10 minutes?  This is the Internet - that's an eternity!
[17:30] <pleia2> tonyyarusso: hey, I'm at work too ;)
[17:30] <jussi01> IRCC ++!
[17:35] <tsimpson> ooh
[17:35] <pleia2> :)
[17:35] <tonyyarusso> pleia2: silly employed people!
[17:35] <jussi01> tsimpson: you noted my missed call then?
[17:35] <jussi01> :D
[17:35] <tsimpson> yeah :)
[17:37] <tonyyarusso> It is a little bit sad that our council doesn't have any females now, but such is life.
[17:37]  * pleia2 nods
[17:38] <Myrtti> I put my trust on the longhaired hippy
[17:38] <tonyyarusso> Does that even narrow it down?
[17:38] <Myrtti> if for nothing else, then the fact I know where he works and can go kick his arse
[17:38] <tonyyarusso> haha
[17:39] <jussi01> I know where he lives... :D
[17:40] <Myrtti> jussi01: but you're both on the council
[17:41] <Myrtti> so you don't count
[17:41] <jussi01> aww
[17:41] <Myrtti> POWER TO THE PEOPLE
[17:41] <Myrtti> besides I know where you live, too
[17:41] <Myrtti> have you gotten my christmas card ;-)
[17:43] <jussi01> No, I didnt yet... :/
[17:43] <jussi01> you have my current address I take it?
[17:43] <Myrtti> if it's the one I've sneakily pried from facebook
[17:44] <Myrtti> for example, from your housewarming party invitation
[17:44] <Myrtti> then yes, I do
[17:44] <jussi01> LOL
[17:44] <jussi01> good
[17:45]  * tonyyarusso is sad he's not in teh Finn dinner group loop
[17:45] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: meh, the distances are too long and I'm too lazy to actually go visit anyone
[17:45] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: you are more than welcome to join :D
[17:45] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: oooh, do you have a teleporter?
[17:45] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: yeah, silly distance.
[17:46] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: wait a sec, lemme just set it up :P
[17:46] <Myrtti> *BWWWWZZZZZZZUUUUUUWWWWW*
[17:47] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: sorry, someone steped on the important part, ypoull have to wait till I get  new bit
[17:49] <tonyyarusso> aww
[17:52] <ikonia> so who's the council now (no email access at the moment0
[17:52] <ikonia> )
[17:53] <pleia2> ikonia: topyli, tsimpson and nhandler
[17:53] <ikonia> ooooh, I thought they didn't get in as someone said comisserations, sorry, I missed the sarcasm
[17:53] <ikonia> congratulations to all
[17:54] <nhandler> Thank you ikonia
[17:54] <tsimpson> :)
[17:54] <ikonia> well earned
[17:55] <jpds> ikonia: Wait, how long have you been here?
[17:55] <ikonia> errrrrrr where, in the channel ?
[17:56] <ikonia> I've been on / off all day, I was offline for a few days as my gateway's PSU blew
[17:56] <ikonia> looks all is stable now though
[17:57] <ikonia> what's up ?
[17:59] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: well, those are the *additions* to the council.  Still also Pici and jussi01 of course.
[17:59] <ikonia> of course
[18:01] <nhandler> We should probably set a 2 year expiration date on our membership in LP now. There was a community bug about that regarding the other councils
[18:02] <ardchoille> I heard that the CC is done electing new folks. I asked to become an op in #ubuntu recently amd was told to wait until the CC elections were completed.
[18:03] <ardchoille> I'd like to become an op in #ubuntu, I have been helping in #ubuntu for years and have been recently helping the ops as much as possible. What do I need to do to become an op?
[18:07] <Myrtti> O_____O
[18:07] <Myrtti> "Login as Root on Ubuntu"
[18:08] <Myrtti> BEEEEEEPPPP
[18:08] <tonyyarusso> ardchoille: Well, I can tell you two things on that front:  1) In the past, it's been "don't call us, we'll call you".  Generally when a need for new volunteers is seen, the team will approach people we think would be good and ask if they'd be interested.  2) Not everyone is around atm, so it may be a good idea to pop a quick e-mail to the -irc mailing list letting everyone know you're interested and willing if they want you, and see if
[18:09] <nixternal> Debtree? come on, every good package hacker uses apt-cache dotty :p
[18:09] <tonyyarusso> (Although @all, we probably should have a better-defined process of how this works these days; I'm not even really sure how we're doing it right now.)
[18:09] <nixternal> congrats to the new IRCC members \o/
[18:10] <tsimpson> tonyyarusso: that's part of what we're going to do
[18:10] <ardchoille> tonyyarusso: Ok, that sounds fair. I'll send something to the -irc mailing list.
[18:10] <tonyyarusso> tsimpson: yay :)
[18:10] <ardchoille> tsimpson: Congats, btw :)
[18:11] <tsimpson> thanks :)
[18:11] <tonyyarusso> man, resume writing is *hard*.
[18:11] <ardchoille> Congrats to topyli and nhandler too
[18:12] <ardchoille> Thanks for the info.
[19:28] <Tm_T> tsimpson, nhandler, topyli, congrats, and thank you (:
[19:29] <topyli> thanks tm_T :)
[19:29] <tsimpson> thanks Tm_T :)
[19:29] <tsimpson> snap!
[19:29]  * tsimpson wins
[19:29] <Tm_T> tsimpson: you win what?
[19:30] <tsimpson> the unending joy of winning
[19:35] <Pricey> tsimpson: Hate to break this to you, but 2 year terms.
[19:36] <tsimpson> huh?
[19:36] <tsimpson> oh, I didn't mean that Pricey, I meant winning my mini game of snap ;)
[19:37] <topyli> a snap victory expires in two years too! it's a new rule!
[19:38] <pleia2> oh, I should set that expirey huh
[19:39] <pleia2> there we go
[19:40] <nhandler> Thanks pleia2 ;)
[20:32] <mneptok> YAY! i was not voted in!
[20:32]  * mneptok lurves diminished responsibility
[20:33] <nalioth> beats diminished capacity
[20:33] <topyli> full nagging rights though!
[20:46] <Pricey> mneptok: There's probably something dirty on the internet about you which they found and turned them off.
[20:49] <mneptok> Pricey: if that's true, and that's what the decision is based on, there's no way i'd serve such a community. ;)
[20:51] <jussi01> mneptok: they saw your picture... isnt that enough? :P :P
[20:52] <pleia2> Pricey: it was the black vodka
[20:52]  * pleia2 hides from mneptok 
[20:53] <Mamarok> if I read the backlog correctly, we have a new council?
[20:53] <Myrtti> we do indeed
[20:53] <jussi01> mneptok: yes
[20:53] <jussi01> :D
[20:53] <jussi01> Mamarok: even...
[20:53]  * jussi01 hugs mneptok
[20:53] <Mamarok> well, congratulations, hard work is expecting you guys :)
[20:54] <Mamarok> btw, /me thinks we should do some interviews so people get to know you folks better :)
[20:55] <jussi01> Mamarok: +1!!
[20:55] <jussi01> Mamarok: start with topyli, no one know who he actually is :D
[20:55] <Mamarok> well, so whom do I torture first? I need your mail addresses and will send you my questions
[20:56] <Mamarok> tsimpson, nhandler, topyli ^^
[20:56] <nhandler> Mamarok: nhandler@ubuntu.com
[20:56] <tsimpson> Mamarok: tsimpson@ubuntu.com
[20:56]  * Myrtti makes a wild guess
[20:56] <Myrtti> topyli@ubuntu.com
[20:57] <pleia2> we have a winner ;)
[20:57] <jussi01> lol
[20:57] <Myrtti> padumtshih
[20:57] <jussi01> you poor people... gonna get spammed! :D
[20:58] <Mamarok> well, I think we will present the new council in corpore, so I have two mails missing...
[20:58] <tsimpson> I already get tons of spam to my @ubuntu.com address
[20:58] <nhandler> gmail does a nice job of catching most of my spam.
[20:59] <tsimpson> Mamarok: bnrubin and jussi01 both at ubuntu.com
[21:00] <Mamarok> tsimpson: thx, will spam you folk soon :)
[21:00] <tsimpson> or for jussi and me, you can use our shiny @kubuntu.org address :D
[21:01] <Mamarok> right, I will :)
[21:01] <Mamarok> doesn't nhandler also has a kubuntu.org one?
[21:01] <nhandler> Yes
[21:01] <tsimpson> oh that's right
[21:01] <Mamarok> oO, KDE is taking over :) world domination soon!
[21:02] <topyli> Mamarok, bring it on :)
[21:02] <Myrtti> you've got a die hard gnomist of topyli
[21:02] <tsimpson> we are sneaky like that
[21:02]  * topyli stretches inbox
[21:02] <Mamarok> topyli: you will surrender, sooner or later :)
[21:04] <topyli> who knows! can't really see anything very dramatic happening right now though :)
[21:06] <ikonia> evening
[21:37]  * jussi01 sneaks into topyli's house and installs kde...
[21:37] <jussi01> heya ikonia
[21:38] <topyli> :o
[21:38] <topyli> what's with all these buttons and tickboxen :\
[21:38] <jussi01> oh poor topyli, he hasnt seen kde for a loooong time...
[21:39] <jussi01> Mamarok: so topyli will be your first victim?
[21:39] <topyli> jussi01, you mean it's actually usable?
[21:39] <jussi01> topyli: yes!!!
[21:39]  * topyli makes note: "check out post-2.0 kde"
[21:40] <jussi01> LOL
[21:40] <Myrtti> i dislike both :-D
[21:40] <Mamarok> Myrtti: don't you already use Qt?
[21:42] <Myrtti> not since mandriva in 2004
[21:42] <Myrtti> or mandrake,raer
[21:46] <Myrtti> kubuntu wasn't there when I started with ubuntu in early 2005, so I used gnome and from there have moved to xfce4
[23:47] <jpds> Well, I gave him a warning!