[00:45] <mellhen> hey @all: i would like to know, where i can help in project timeloard
[00:45] <mellhen> i ment "Project Timelord"
[00:46] <crimsun> see the topic, namely Todo
[00:49] <mellhen> thx i found ir
[00:49] <mellhen> it
[01:19] <Riddell> beta 2 arriving in kubuntu-ppa beta
[01:21] <Riddell> testers needed
[01:28] <Riddell> Lex79: beta 2 arriving in kubuntu-ppa beta
[01:29] <Riddell> I'll announce tomorrow once someone has tested it (I've already tested from ninjas)
[01:29]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:30] <gorgonizer> Installing now..
[01:49] <gorgonizer> there appear to be some dependency issues.. :( There appears to be a lack of kdelibs 4.3.85 in the beta repository..
[02:02] <gorgonizer> This may also be an issue: Depends: libsoprano4 (>= 2.3.70+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1) but 2.3.70+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed
[02:15] <jjesse> good evening, slight problem, i have enabled the repo for the kde 4.4 sc betas and tonight received a lot of updates, however when i login i have no background or apps, looks like plasma isn't running?  ideas?
[02:24] <jjesse> loks like plasma-desktop was not running
[02:26] <jjesse> also lost all my configs to kde
[02:26] <jjesse> like i'm starting over w/  a new .kde/apps/config dir
[02:27] <jjesse> in the application launcher konqueror has lost its icon as well
[02:29] <gorgonizer> jjesse: I have tried to update from 4.3.4, and it appears that the kdelibs package for 4.3.85 hasn't been uploaded to the beta repository..
[02:29] <jjesse> also getting errors on the nepomuk indexing agents being disabled
[02:29] <jjesse> awesome
[02:30] <jjesse> glad i updated
[02:30] <gorgonizer> same here :)
[02:31] <jjesse> so we just get to wait?
[02:32] <jjesse> i ran into this problem with another beta of kde 4 as well, 3/4 of the packages were updated
[02:34] <gorgonizer> unfortunately yes, it appears that kdepim and kdegames also need updating to 4.3.85 on the beta repository..
[02:35] <gorgonizer> so we are stuck in a bleeding edge dependency hell :(
[02:36] <jjesse> argh that sucks, wish the packages wouldn't show up until everything was ready to go
[02:37] <gorgonizer> that would be nice, but the packages so quickly is so impressive I am willing to forgive, luckily, my system is still usable at the moment :)
[02:38] <gorgonizer> *arrived so.
[02:39] <jjesse> i wsih i could help but i have no clue what to do, just wish they all were blocked until the full release
[02:40] <gorgonizer> the only thing to do would be to build our own debian packages for the missing packages from source..
[02:41] <jjesse> argh now chromium just bombed
[02:41] <gorgonizer> I am willing to wait..
[02:41] <jjesse> why doesn't that save tabs when i relaunch them?
[02:42] <gorgonizer> no idea, unfortunately.. there may be an extension that does that..
[02:47] <jjesse> i think this is the quietest i have seen the channel in a long time
[02:48] <gorgonizer> same here to be honest..
[02:59] <jjesse> i think everyone is ignoring us :)
[02:59] <gorgonizer> probably sleeping after lots of hard work :)
[03:27] <jjesse> chirp chirp
[03:28] <jjesse> hear the crickets?
[03:32] <ScottK> Just copies kd4libs into karmic beta PPA
[03:33] <ScottK> It will take it a little bit to show up, bit it should be there soon.
[03:35] <ScottK> kdepim done too.
[03:35] <ScottK> Looks like we don't have packages prepped for kdegames on karmic, so that will have to wait.
[03:39] <Lex79> ScottK: I have a bit of time in this moment, what should I do for helping? I'm not update
[03:40] <ScottK> Lex79: Someone needs to get the updated kdegames into beta ppa for karmic
[03:40] <ScottK> Other than that, I think we're just waiting on stuff to build.
[03:40] <Lex79> ScottK: that's all? I can do then
[03:40] <ScottK> In terms of urgent stuff, that's it.
[03:40] <txwikinger> Are the build servers smoking again?
[03:41] <Lex79> ok
[03:41] <ScottK> Lex79: Build it in ninjas and then copy it over when it's done.
[03:41] <ScottK> It'll get built much faster.
[03:41] <Lex79> ok
[03:42] <ScottK> txwikinger: They are.  doko did two gcc uploads today, all the sync requests for the last month got processed today, soyuz fell over and quit building packages today, and oh, a new KDE release.
[03:42] <txwikinger> wow...
[03:43] <txwikinger> I really missed a lot while writing legal briefs the whole week
[03:49] <gorgonizer> Hello, I am trying to install KDE 4.4 Beta 2, and I am running into this problem: Depends: libsoprano4 (>= 2.3.70+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1) but 2.3.70+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed
[03:52] <gorgonizer> (apologies, that is a dependency error message when trying to install kdebase-runtime)
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> gorgonizer: should be fixed in a bit. the new package was overlooked from being copied over to the ppa
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> just copied it
[04:00] <gorgonizer> thank you very much :)
[04:00] <jjesse> yay
[04:10] <shtylman> dist-upgrade wants to remove lots of stuff
[04:11] <shtylman> doesn't sound kosher to me ...
[04:13] <nixternal> only thing dist-upgrade is removing is:  libkontactinterfaces4
[04:15] <crimsun> that's due to plymouth not being in main until an hourish ago
[04:16] <crimsun> the new initramfs-tools conflicts with the existing mountall, and the new mountall depwait on plymouth (which was in universe)
[04:17] <crimsun> slangasek did the promotion not too long ago
[04:27] <nixternal> oh, in lucid...yeah, there is a ton of stuff, especially x
[04:27] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: ping
[04:28] <nixternal> figure I will wait until tomorrow...I learned that when using a development release, never dist-upgrade, unless it is pulling in a new kernel only and not removing stuff...and even then, new kernels are usually dangerous as hell
[04:30] <ejat> Cannot load part for Calendar. Could not find plugin 'korganizerpart' for application 'kontact'
[04:31] <ejat> in KDE 4.4 SC Beta 2
[04:34] <nixternal> I have witnessed that before, but can't remember when or what exactly fixed it...google knows iirc
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: pong
[04:43] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: If i go to bbc weather how do I get the county code to put in the plasmoid?
[04:43] <JontheEchidna> actually I think somebody posted how to do that on my blog comments... sec while I search
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1353963
[04:45] <ejat> nixternal: u manage to fix it ?
[04:45] <ejat> korganizerpart ?
[04:49] <nixternal> I did before, but I don't use Kontact/KOrganizer/KMail, so I don't know anymore
[04:52] <nixternal> jeesh, kded is killing systems
[04:54] <ejat> konversation eating 99-100% of cpu ?
[04:54] <nixternal> no, I don't use konversation, kded was though
[04:56] <ejat> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215256
[04:57] <ejat> kded4 n konversation compete each other on the top :)
[04:58] <ejat> ouch ..
[04:59] <ejat> nixternal: r u looking into the kded?
[05:04] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: Bah still broken
[05:05] <daskreech> Thanks though
[05:06] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[05:17] <nixternal> ejat: if it happens again I will look into it...I restarted both of my systems when they went crazy...plus I am a bit busy working on my debian build system
[05:41] <ScottK> Lex79: just noticed kdepim needs done for Karmic too if you're still around.
[05:44] <Lex79> ok
[05:53] <ejat> nixternal: owh ok .. thanks ...
[05:55] <ejat> Lex79: any idea about the korganizerpart ?
[05:55] <ejat> missing in kontact?
[05:55] <Lex79> beta1 or 2 ?
[05:57] <Lex79> I think you mean beta1, since I disabled korganizerpart, it was "fails to build from source"
[05:58] <ejat> beta 2
[05:58] <Lex79> now in beta2 it should works because I removed the patch
[05:58] <sabdflp> lexi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[05:58] <sabdflp> is it really you?
[05:58] <ejat> its still occurs in beta 2
[05:59] <ejat> calendar, todo n journal  .. in kontact beta 2
[05:59] <Lex79> ejat: apt-cache policy korganizer
[06:00] <ejat> Lex79: http://pastebin.com/f6d682ca8
[06:01] <Lex79> ejat: so it's beta1, wait for kdepim beta2 then
[06:01] <ejat> owh ..
[06:02] <Lex79> :)
[06:02] <ejat> is it beta 2  4.3.80 right ?
[06:02] <Lex79> nope, beta2 is 4.3.85
[06:02] <ejat> owh right .. 4.3.85 .. thanks for da reminder
[06:03] <Lex79> no problem
[06:04] <ejat> kded n konversation competing each other with 100% of cpu usage :(
[06:04] <ejat> average 90+%
[06:04] <ejat> any idea about that .. bugs ?
[06:05] <Lex79> no :(
[06:06] <ejat> :(
[06:07] <Lex79> who is sabdflp ?
[06:07] <Lex79> btw I uploaded kdepim to beta backports
[06:10] <ejat> Lex79: thanks .. seing it on progres building it ..
[06:10] <ejat> :)
[06:13] <ScottK> lubyou: Just uploaded the blends merge so your way on debian-science clear.
[06:14] <ScottK> Sorry lubyou.
[06:14] <ScottK> That was meant for Lure, who isn't here.
[07:45] <woolyfrog> Lex79: sabdflp was vorian holding a nick for nhandler
[07:45] <woolyfrog> i thought everyone knows that
[08:06] <Mamarok> who is this lunatic? He is cross-pasting in every folder
[08:39] <ghostcube> hey guys moin
[08:39] <ghostcube> anyone searching nice fractal pics http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html
[08:40] <ghostcube> woot
[08:47] <ejat> Lex79: thanks for backporting it :) .. finally .. kontact back in action
[08:49] <ejat> just need someone to check the kded n konversation
[09:10] <fale> why even in kubuntu-ppa/package staging there is amarok 2.2.1.80?
[09:10] <fale> sorry, got it
[09:38] <wstephenson> Riddell: ping
[10:15] <Mamarok> gah, I hate those users who advertize the staging repo on indenti.ca
[10:16] <Mamarok> guess who has to do all the debugging again...at least they could stick around in #k to help, then
[10:16] <Mamarok> idiots :(
[10:29] <gribelu> hey umm.. any idea how to start plasma in the new 4.4 beta? It doesn't start by default and trying to run 'plasma-desktop' tells me to install kdebase-workspace-bin which is already installed...
[10:30] <gribelu> this is on Karmic amd64 btw
[10:31] <dpm> Riddell, what's the procedure to build the kde-l10n-* packages? I'm trying to build them to extract the translations and compare them with those from LP, but I'm stuck at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m57e6eb72 - it's complaining about missing files, although I did run the rule to download the .desktop file translations already.
[11:04] <Riddell> wstephenson: you pung?
[11:09] <Riddell> dpm: does it get stuck there?
[11:15] <dpm> Riddell, yes, it seems so
[11:17] <Riddell> dpm: hum, there's no reason why it should get stuck there, it's only an echo command
[11:17] <Riddell> dpm: really it just freezes after that?
[11:19] <dpm> Riddell, yes, but let me try again to double-check - I must say that I'm on a very slow connection today, so if it is trying to download something after that, it might seem to me it's not doing anything
[11:21] <dpm> Riddell, yep, all I get is a blinking cursor after the Did you remember to refresh desktop translations with `make -f debian/rules get-desktop`? message
[11:27] <Riddell> dpm: maybe it's trying to run the svn command, you could try uninstalling svn if you have it
[11:33] <dpm> Riddell, right, I'll give it a go, thanks - I do have svn installed, it's what the above rule uses to fetch the .desktop PO files from svn.kde.org
[12:29] <ghostcube> ehlo peoples
[12:29] <ghostcube> hmm when did /etc/init.d/foo start|stop|restart came back ?
[12:32] <dpm> Riddell, yes, it was trying to download more PO files from svn, but on my slow connection it seemed it got stuck. It's sorted now, thanks
[12:34] <Riddell> dpm: I actually don't know why it does that when the make rule to do so isn't being called
[12:58] <wstephenson> Riddell: there is an easily fixable syntax error in /usr/share/kde4/services/searchproviders/lp*.desktop from kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts that stops them working properly - \{ should be \\{
[12:59] <wstephenson> every time i rerun kbuildsycoca testing knetworkmanager here, it complains about it, so here's the fix
[13:01] <Riddell> wstephenson: cor, those files have been around for ages
[13:02]  * Quintasan is downloading beta 2
[13:02] <wstephenson> smelly and old, tsk tsk, keep your distro tidy
[13:22] <Quintasan> Riddell, Lex79: smooth upgrade, no overwrites, works
[13:24] <Riddell> phew
[13:25] <Quintasan> let me restart everything to be sure
[13:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: this is going to be awesome, everything works, less crashes and it's faster :D
[13:28] <Riddell> totally
[13:28] <Quintasan> Let me test Phonon
[13:28] <Quintasan> well, works :D
[13:30] <Riddell> yay
[14:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Your debian/changelog entry doesn't match what's in the package on kdepim-runtime and it FTBFS due to lack of quilt.  Would you please have a look.
[14:06] <ScottK> Riddell: For the new xv-utils, liblzma1 got accepted into Universe, not Main.  Would you please promote it?  kdeutils is currently FTBFS due to this.
[14:08] <Riddell> hmm, that reminds me, it's my archive admin day
[14:08] <ScottK> Handy
[14:08] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[14:09] <ScottK> Thanks
[14:14] <Riddell> and as usual new queue has packages 6 days old in it, whatever would ubuntu do without me :)
[14:21] <ScottK> Be a lot smaller?
[14:33]  * Riddell puts some tinsel in seele's hair
[14:33]  * seele giggles
[14:35] <ScottK> Great.  kde4libs and kdebase-runtime built against liblzma0 and so those have to be rebuilt after liblzma1 in published in Main before kdeutils can get fixed.
[14:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Nothing like a library transition in the middle of a KDE build.
[14:37] <Riddell> helps to keep us on our toes
[14:39]  * ScottK is fixing kdepim-runtime since JontheEchidna hasn't made an appearance.
[14:46] <Riddell> ScottK: what's up with it?
[14:47] <ScottK> Riddell: His debian changelog says he removed it's only patch.  He dropped the quilt build-dep, but not the patch
[14:47] <ScottK> So it FTBFS.
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> oops, forgot to bzr remove the patches directory
[14:49]  * ScottK will upload the update in a moment.
[14:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you have time to check out no change rebuilds for shogun and mupen64plus (both in Universe) for the liblzma transition?
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> Yeah. Just slept in a bit is all. ;-)
[14:52] <ScottK> Should be just a rebuild, but the debian/changelog entry for this new version is a bit scary
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/octave/debian/defs.make
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> ugh, 164 MB to build a source package
[15:05] <dpm> Riddell, we've got some KDE translation import conflicts. When you've got a minute, do you think you could you tell me from http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m6478ea65 which is the correct source package for each of the listed templates? (the format is: translation-domain; template1 in srcpkg1; template1 in srcpkg2 - of which only 1 srcpkg is the correct one)
[15:11] <Riddell> dpm: kabc* we want from kdepimlibs
[15:11] <Riddell> kcmshell from kdebase-runtime
[15:11] <Riddell> kioexec from kdebase-runtime
[15:12] <Riddell> kontactinterfaces from kdepimlibs
[15:12] <Riddell> libkscreensaver from kdebase-workspace
[15:13] <Riddell> libphonon phonon_gstreamer and phonon-xine now from phonon-backends
[15:14] <Riddell> plasma_applet_currentappcontrol from kdebase-workspace
[15:14] <Riddell> plasma_applet_searchbox from kdebase-workspace
[15:19] <dpm> Thanks a lot, Riddell. And the plasma-netbook template also from the kdebase-workspace source package?
[15:19] <ScottK> Yes
[15:19] <dpm> perfect, thanks guys
[15:20] <Riddell> in lucid of course
[15:20] <ScottK> Right, in Karmic it'd be different
[15:31] <dpm> yes, that was all for Lucid
[15:36] <Riddell> rgreening: do you know how to make an smb share?
[16:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm about to remove klavier
[16:03] <Riddell> and mateedit
[16:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem
[16:11] <Tonio_> :)
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> wstephenson: yay
[16:15] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: :)
[16:15] <wstephenson> that was quite a satisfying fix
[16:15] <skreech> Quintasan: http://www.milliways.fr/debian/packages/virtuoso/
[16:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That's even an SRU you can do, right?
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I can SRU the networkmanager fix
[16:17] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: please give the tyres a thorough kicking as i haven't tested it vs the revision you ship
[16:18] <wstephenson> i am fairly confident it's safe, but you never know till you try it
[16:22] <Quintasan> how nice
[16:22] <Quintasan> Lex79: http://www.milliways.fr/debian/packages/virtuoso/
[16:23] <Quintasan> skreech: thanks
[16:25] <skreech> When did 6.0.1 come out?
[16:25] <Quintasan> beats me, upstream page says 6.0.0 is newest
[16:26] <skreech> Wonder if this is a prerelease or a snapshot
[16:26] <Quintasan> cvs means snapshot
[16:27] <skreech> Well yes I meant early snapshot
[16:27] <skreech>  or is it just pending release?
[16:27] <skreech> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508048
[16:27] <skreech> That might help
[16:28] <skreech> Ah curses read the last message
[16:39] <Lex79> Quintasan: I uploaded this night in ninja virtuoso-opensource - 6.0.1~cvs20091210+dfsg1-1ubuntu1
[16:39] <Lex79> it needs testing if you want
[16:39] <Quintasan> Lex79: sure, I'll get to it right away
[16:40] <Riddell> wstephenson: what got fixed?
[16:40] <Lex79> Quintasan: thanks
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 451899. I'm working on the update for lucid at the moment
[16:45] <Riddell> ooh
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> since I think the SRU people like for the fix to exist in ubuntu+1 before the SRU most times
[16:46] <maco> hey have any of you seen where youll open up knetworkmanager and itll list networks, and you click on one...and it doesnt register the click at all? nothing happens. doenst try to connect, doesnt ask for password, doenst close the menu...just pretends you didnt click at all?
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: shogun rebuild uploaded. I have to leave for the afternoon at 1:00 though, so what with the networkmanagement stuff I might not get to the mupen rebuild until this evening
[16:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That's great.  It's not crisis urgent.
[16:49]  * ScottK is doing local rebuilds of the KDE stuff first.
[16:51] <Riddell> maco: I have to click twice sometimes
[16:51] <maco> i tried clicking like 10 times and knm just would *not* connect at dad's house. went back to /etc/network/interfaces
[16:52] <maco> even after reboots
[16:52] <maco> but mum's house and at home? works fine. and theyre all wpa2
[16:52] <maco> (not that that should matter, as it doesnt even get to the "try to associate" part..)
[16:53] <wstephenson> maco: i am the knm guy. that means NM thinks the connection you created is invalid
[16:54] <wstephenson> maco: and the version kubuntu shipped connection validation
[16:54] <maco> why would it think that?
[16:54] <wstephenson> lots of reasons, but there is no way for NM to tell the client app (knm) that it spat out the connection
[16:54] <maco> so it cant throw an error?
[16:54] <wstephenson> so you need to look at the NM log and figure out what you did wrong
[16:54] <wstephenson> no
[16:55] <wstephenson> look at http://userbase.kde.org/NetworkManagement for how to troubleshoot it
[16:55] <maco> i dont *think* theres anything wrong with it. it worked 2 weeks ago when i last visited. now it doesnt
[16:55] <ScottK> Argh. cp: writing `debian/kdelibs5//usr/lib/libkhtml.so.5.4.0': No space left on device
[16:55] <wstephenson> don't you just hate it when that happens after the 15th local rebuild
[16:56] <wstephenson> maco: i think /var/log/messages or daemon.log is the place NM logs to on kubuntu, but that URL has the details.
[16:56] <maco> it says syslog on the webpage
[16:56] <wstephenson> or that
[16:56]  * ScottK calls it close enough.
[16:57] <wstephenson> the important thing to note is that NM validates the connections when they first appear on the bus, which is when KNM starts usually, not on click.
[16:58] <wstephenson> maco: i guess you can't test it until you are at your dad's?
[16:58] <Quintasan> Lex79: http://pastebin.ca/1723878
[16:58] <Quintasan> forcing overwrite
[16:59] <maco> wstephenson: i have the syslog from sunday
[16:59] <maco> wstephenson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/344828/
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: technically not a bug since that's never been released :P
[16:59] <Quintasan> :P
[16:59] <Quintasan>  * Starting Virtuoso OpenSource Edition 5.0  virtuoso-opensource-6.0                               [ OK ]
[16:59] <Quintasan> WTF?
[16:59] <Quintasan> it's 5 or 6
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> lol
[17:00] <wstephenson> maco: that shows the NM startup, not the point where KNM started up.
[17:00] <maco> oh
[17:00] <wstephenson> although line 11 says kubuntu has a bug in its distro plugin that reads /etc/network/interfaces; you should bug asac about that.
[17:02] <maco> yeah i thought NM was supposed to ignore any interfaces that are confgured in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:02] <nixternal> hola
[17:03] <maco> which would mean that NM never touches my wireless
[17:03] <maco> but for some reason, i have to actually stop the network-manager service to be able to use ifup/ifdown
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> sweet, virtuoso-minimal doesn't install a server that eats 100 MB RAM :D
[17:04] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: doesn't work :/
[17:04] <wstephenson> maco: yes i think it ignores /e/n/i interfaces.  perhaps it reads the file but doesn't do anything with it.
[17:05] <maco> wstephenson: no i mean, i think its supposed to not manage any interfaces that are already configured inside that file
[17:05] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f35786b33 <-- Nepomuk log
[17:05] <Quintasan> Lex79: ^
[17:05] <wstephenson> maco: that's what i mean
[17:05] <wstephenson> maco: anyway, i am off home for christmas now.  if you can reproduce the bug and get a log file me a bug at bko and i'll get to it sometime.
[17:05] <maco> ok
[17:06] <Daskreech> Quintasan: the packaged
[17:06] <Daskreech> s are incompatible with nepomuk
[17:06] <Quintasan> Daskreech: how do you know?
[17:09] <Quintasan> damn it
[17:10] <Daskreech> Quintasan: The last message in the thread
[17:10] <Quintasan> which thread?
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> the last message said they're just waiting on uploading to debian until the final release of 6.0.1.
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> the last comment actually states that the snapshot is nepomuk-compatible
[17:11] <Quintasan> means a fault on our side
[17:11] <Quintasan> I have to help my father now, brb
[17:11] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: really that's not how I read it?
[17:12] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: can you give back the link. I'm on a new computer
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508048
[17:12] <Daskreech> Ahhh
[17:12] <Daskreech> Stupid English language
[17:13] <Quintasan> The worst thing is that I don't know how to diagnose th problem
[17:13] <Daskreech> I read it as we are waiting for the 6.0.1 to be released which will be when the Nepomuk incompatibilty is sorted
[17:14] <Daskreech> Quintasan: Jump into oftc and see if Debian guys are there
[17:14] <Daskreech> Or actually #nepomuk-kde would be the best place as it affects them most directly
[17:19] <markey> hmm, is there any package for "Intel Thread Bulding Blocks"?
[17:19] <markey> I'd love to give this a test ride
[17:19] <markey> it's a library for helping with concurrent programming
[17:20] <markey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_TBB
[17:22]  * Riddell publishes kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-beta-2
[17:22] <Lex79> \o/
[17:22] <Daskreech> \o/
[17:23]  * Daskreech rushes off to Identi.ca
[17:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Still not kdeutils on Lucid and won't be until after the kde4libs upload I just did gets done.
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> plasma-widget-networkmanagement uploaded to lucid, will probably have to do the SRU later today unless somebody else does it
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> brb, rebooting
[17:27] <Lex79> thanks Riddell :)
[17:28] <Riddell> oh no, thank you Lex79
[17:28] <Lex79> :)
[17:29] <Daskreech> Lex79: In Black and white too if using default CSS
[17:31] <Riddell> amichair: fixes look good for s-p, you just need to use a new changelog entry (dch will make one for you)
[17:31] <Riddell> amichair: merging and uploading now
[17:41] <amichair> Riddell: cool, thanks
[17:41] <amichair> Riddell: so u fixed the changelog yes? nothing for me to do this time around?
[17:46] <RiotingPacifist> why the new repo instead of the ppa?
[17:46] <Riddell> amichair: right
[17:46] <Riddell> RiotingPacifist: new repo?
[17:57] <RiotingPacifist> sorry the update crashed some stuff, yeah http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu instead of http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> the latter ppa is for stable KDE updates. betas are not stable
[17:58] <RiotingPacifist> didn't the ppa have 4.4b1 ?
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> nope
[17:59] <RiotingPacifist> O right must have been something in my setup then, nvm
[18:04] <Riddell> amichair: hmm, I can still recreate bug 496257
[18:06] <Riddell> amichair: hmm, or can I
[18:06] <amichair> Riddell: ummm...
[18:07] <amichair> amichair: dunno?
[18:09] <Riddell> amichair: ok my fault, it's all good
[18:10] <amichair> Riddell: I'm confused, the bug u just opened is a dup? is there still a bug?
[18:11] <Riddell> amichair: there's no bug, you already fixed it
[18:12] <Riddell> amichair: uploaded, thanks
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~software-store-developers/software-center/trunk/revision/474
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[18:26] <ScottK> Nice
[19:20] <EagleScreen> hello
[19:20] <EagleScreen> I'd rather to make my own compilation of a .deb package in karmic, it can be any kde3 application like kdbg
[19:21] <EagleScreen> kde3 applications depends on kdelibs4ca and I want them to depend on kdelibs4ca | ldelibs4ca-kde3, is it possible? this is for compatibililty with kde3 ppa
[19:22] <EagleScreen> for instance, i want to edit kdbg package to depend on kdelibs4ca | kdelibs4ca-kde3 packages
[19:23] <EagleScreen> in debian/control, i only see Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
[19:23] <EagleScreen> what muts i do to add "or kdelibs4ca-kde3" ?
[19:26] <ScottK> Riddell: kdepim is stuck in binary New for Lucid.
[19:29] <ScottK> EagleScreen: Manually editing the depends is the wrong way to do it.  You need to build against the version of kdelibs you want to use.  You can't have both.
[19:30] <EagleScreen> there are kdelibs4ca from karmic and kdelibs4ca-kde3 from karmic kde3 ppa
[19:31] <EagleScreen> then, how do you indicate against what kdelibs version is compiled the package?
[19:32] <EagleScreen> I must change kdbg to build against kdelibs4ca-kde3 from ppa
[19:32] <ScottK> EagleScreen: We don't do the PPA, so we don't know about it.
[19:33] <harolddong> is the virtuoso backend supposed to be funtional in beta 2?
[19:33] <ScottK> When you build the binary, shlibs will figure it out.
[19:33] <ScottK> harolddong: Not yet.
[19:33] <ScottK> Need a new (not yet release) version of Virtuoso
[19:34] <harolddong> so there will be an actual package to install when it's ready then?
[19:34] <ScottK> Yes
[19:34] <harolddong> I was just confused cause I search and find virutoso libs now in beta 2 but its still not working
[19:34] <harolddong> thanks for the info
[19:36] <harolddong> will it be in the RC?
[19:36] <ScottK> It's not directly part of KDE SC release.
[19:36] <ScottK> Virtuoso gets released separately, so it will get packaged when it's released.
[19:36] <ScottK> I understand it's expected soon, but don't know what soon means
[19:37] <harolddong> well if its separate is it still going to be pulled in as a kde dependency or will there be an announcement?
[19:40] <ScottK> I am not working on it directly, but I'd be suprised if it didn't get pulled in.
[19:41] <Quintasan> Lex79: ping
[19:42] <harolddong> good to know
[19:42] <nixternal> any idea why xfontsel won't pick up ttf fonts?
[19:56] <Lex79> Quintasan: pong
[19:56] <Quintasan> Lex79: You are using icecc or distcc?
[19:57] <Lex79> nope, only cchache
[19:57] <Quintasan> Lex79: oh, I though someone here uses icecc for pbuilder
[19:57] <Lex79> *ccache
[19:58] <Lex79> Quintasan: JontheEchidna used that I think, with his two crap compy :)
[19:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ping
[19:59] <Quintasan> Lex79: I have a second machine and I'd like to use it, it stands here so lonley  :<
[19:59] <Lex79> eheheh :)
[20:09] <RiotingPacifist> in 4.4b2 im missing a parts of the configure window behaviour actions-> this plugin uses an incompatible lib and desktop effects has nothing for the individual plugins, is anybody else getting this?
[20:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Beta 2 is fully built on i386 (Lucid) now.  Just needs kdepim released from binary New and a publisher run to be done.
[20:39] <Tm_T> only virtuoso missing...
[20:44] <Quintasan> I'm wondering why it doesn't work, all binaries and libs are in place, no missing libs and it just doesn't work :/
[20:45] <Tm_T> Quintasan: you have virtuoso installed?
[20:45] <Quintasan> Tm_T: yes, not working
[20:46] <Tm_T> from which source?
[20:46] <Quintasan> 6.0.0, it's confirmed, waiting for 6.0.1 which is supposed to fix it
[20:46] <Tm_T> ah
[20:46] <Quintasan> virtuoso from cvs also doesnt work
[20:46]  * Tm_T uses old release
[20:53]  * Tm_T huggles Quintasan
[20:53] <Quintasan> Tm_T: lol, thanks :D
[21:01] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hurr, can you help me with icecc?
[21:01] <Tm_T> hi on3_g
[21:01] <on3_g> hi Tm_T
[21:02] <on3_g> hi Quintasan, congrat'z for your MOTU
[21:02] <Quintasan> on3_g: Thanks
[21:05] <on3_g> hi again ScottK
[21:05] <ScottK> o/
[21:09]  * Lure notices that he was too fast with opencv transition uploads (or better buildd/publisher was slow today) :-(
[21:16] <on3_g> i would like to help in Kubuntu, some suggestion?
[21:22] <Lure> [ubuntu/lucid] digikam 2:1.0.0-1ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[21:22]  * Lure happy with new upload rights ;-)
[21:23] <Tm_T> (:
[21:24] <ScottK> Lure: It's been clarified now that kubuntu-dev can grant per-package upload rights.  Would you be more comfortable switching to that or staying with the current situation?
[21:24] <ScottK> (speaking of upload rights)
[21:24] <Lure> ScottK: I am fine with both ways
[21:25] <Lure> just that I do not have need to bug you for uploads to packages that I handle most often
[21:25] <ScottK> Lure: Last night I uploaded the blends merge so your way on debian-science clear.
[21:25] <Lure> ScottK: oh, great - will look in debian-science
[21:25] <maco> on3_g: any idea what in particular youd like to do?
[21:26] <Lure> ScottK: I was too fast on transition uploads, so I will need to redo them ;-(
[21:26] <on3_g> maco: bug triagging, packaging
[21:26] <on3_g> maco: translation
[21:26]  * Lure is surprised there is no way to give-back sucessful builds too (to just pick new depends)
[21:27] <maco> on3_g: ok well translations go in launchpad.net/ubuntu (click the "translations" button)
[21:27] <maco> on3_g: have you done any packaging yet?
[21:28] <Quintasan> on3_g: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete -> if you want to learn packaging
[21:28] <Lure> ScottK: actually, having kubuntu-dev rights might be useful in cases I work on some other packages and where other do review my upload, but at the end I can do the actual upload
[21:28] <Lure> ScottK: but not sure how often this would be useful
[21:29] <on3_g> maco: i do a couple of packages with a little help from a friend (https://launchpad.net/~cesar.munhoz/+related-software), but i wanna do more from now
[21:29] <on3_g> Quintasan: i already read, thxs
[21:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: can we upload bzip2 sources now or I still need to repack?
[21:57] <Lex79> you can upload .tar.bz2 now
[22:02] <Quintasan> Lex79: do I need to change anything in debian/ ?
[22:05] <Lex79> Quintasan: I'm not sure but maybe you have to create debian/source folder with format file. You can see a package in Debian with source format 3 or wait ScottK
[22:05] <ScottK> Look at kdenlive
[22:05] <Lex79> :)
[22:06] <Quintasan> oh, thanks :)
[22:10] <Quintasan> oh my, looks like I need to master debhelper
[22:26] <ScottK> Riddell: slangasek did kdepim binary New and amd64 finished, so those are both complete.
[22:28] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you help me with watch file? what I have now is -> http://pastebin.com/f12f92790  the current package version is 0.11, and uscan --verbose output is -> http://pastebin.com/f49396814
[22:28] <Quintasan> the man is confusing for me :/
[22:28] <jjesse> anyone else havign problems w/ kde 4.4. beta 2 and some of the compositing effects?
[22:33] <ScottK> Quintasan: When you try to manually download the package, where tdo you access it from?
[22:33] <Quintasan> http://dl.fefe.de/gatling-0.11.tar.bz2
[22:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^^
[22:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: I can get a directory list when I go to http://dl.fefe.de/ so I don't know that it's possible.
[22:37] <Lure> ScottK, Riddell: can one of you give-back packages that failed to build?
[22:37] <ScottK> Lure: You probably can yourself.  What package/arch
[22:37] <Lure> ScottK: really? from LP?
[22:37] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:38] <ScottK> What package/arch and I'll show you the page.
[22:38] <Lure> sivp/i386
[22:38] <Lure> will check
[22:38] <ScottK> OK
[22:38]  * Lure notices that LP is getting more and more powerful
[22:39] <Lure> oh, there is "Retry this build" - nice
[22:39] <Lure> ScottK: thanks!
[22:39] <ScottK> Lure: You're welcome.
[22:41] <Lure> oh, nice: freecad/i386 was build with old libcv, freecad/amd64 with new one :-(
[22:41] <ScottK> Time for another upload ....
[22:41] <Lure> ScottK: yep...
[22:41] <ScottK> Lure: versioning the build-dep is a good way to avoid this archive skew.
[22:42] <Lure> ScottK: I know, but did not want to diff to debian too much
[22:42] <Lure> ScottK: but now after results, I should do it ;-)
[22:42] <ScottK> It can be dropped on a later upload, so it's not like its diff that has to be maintained.
[22:42] <Lure> ScottK: yep, you are right
[22:43] <ScottK> The only alternative is to wait for the new lib to be built on all archs before uploading.
[23:00] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/427536
[23:00] <Quintasan> :D
[23:04] <ScottK> Nice.
[23:28] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/356367
[23:28] <Quintasan> What next? Maybe Pacman?
[23:28] <Riddell> sharman?
[23:30] <ScottK> Riddell: slangasek kicked on the netbook i386 ISO build to we can see if we missed anything