[00:19] <crimsun> i_is_broke: what update? I've done a lot of updates recently.
[00:28] <i_is_broke> crimsun, sorry was working on the grandbabies christmas presents...and  was referring to anything for karmic.
[00:30] <crimsun> i_is_broke: I've uploaded a bunch of stuff; lucid-changes@ has them listed
[00:30] <i_is_broke> crimsun, well i havent had any for lucid, how long ago did you upload them?
[00:31] <crimsun> about 13 hours ago was the last
[00:31] <i_is_broke> and just a few for karmic.
[00:31] <crimsun> been at work all day, etc., etc.
[00:31] <crimsun> alsa-lib is in karmic-proposed
[00:31] <i_is_broke> yeah that was the one.
[00:32] <i_is_broke> well there was a couple i think.
[00:32] <i_is_broke> but i havent seen anything for lucid,and i just did an update too.
[00:33] <bjsnider> crimsun, does alsa 1.0.22 contain any improvements for my sound card?
[00:33] <crimsun> bjsnider: I don't know what your sound card is.
[00:34] <bjsnider> crimsun, i removed pulseaudio 2 years ago because i heard what i thought was a blip and now i need your help to put it back
[00:35] <bjsnider> just kidding
[00:35] <bjsnider> i'm trying to ask the types of questions you usually get in here
[00:36] <i_is_broke> the sad part as i have heard people say that more then once.lol
[00:36] <bjsnider> how about this one
[00:36] <bjsnider> i got angry and hacked my sound card up with a jacknife and now i need your help to fix it
[00:37] <i_is_broke> now when i was running slack instead of ubuntu, i did change out my sound card cause it didnt have the performance i wanted.
[00:38] <i_is_broke> and of course it was easier to put a sound card in the ask any of them for help, cause of course if your new your stupid, and they dont waste time with stupid people.
[00:40] <i_is_broke> well back to the grandbabies christmas presents...1 down 2 to go...yeah..:D
[01:01] <UnHolyTerror> I have a java authentication popup window that won't accept input. nor will it close... I have to 'kill' it.
[01:02] <UnHolyTerror> 8.04 - java 6 from the repos.
[01:03] <UnHolyTerror> accessing a java applet in Firefox3.
[01:19] <cousteau> o/ all
[01:23] <cousteau> I have an nvidia card and this seems to work (although I read something about the nv driver not working) - how can I check what driver am I using?
[01:23] <RAOF> grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:25] <cousteau> it says that it loaded 3 drivers (nv, vesa, fbdev) and then unloaded vesa and fbdev, so I guess I'm using the nv one
[01:27] <cousteau> oh, when I tried to enter to IRC on empathy, the IRC option doesn't appear among the first use new account wizard
[01:29] <RAOF> You might not have telepathy-idle installed?
[01:29] <cousteau>  isn't xorg server 1.7 supposed to have MPX? how can I enable that?
[01:54] <Hellow> Hmm, I'm having a more-than-slight problem after apt-get dist-upgrading on Lucid
[01:54] <Hellow> For some reason, dpkg err'd out. Something to do with brasero and removing a file.
[01:54] <Hellow> So, I aptitude -f'd. That removed.. what, dkms and the kernel. Then I dist-upgraded again.
[01:55] <Hellow> Rebooted, got a segfault at the beginning (that was from Xorg, I believe), it continued booting to terminal.
[01:55] <Hellow> I'm at terminal, I can't install the needed nvidia drivers (that somehow got removed) without removing Xorg and ubuntu-desktop.
[01:56] <Hellow> And apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove all the kernels, udev, xorg, and other packages along with it.
[01:58] <RAOF> Hellow: There isn't a version of the nvidia blob in the archives that works with our X server; you can't install nvidia-glx at the moment.
[01:59] <Hellow> RAOF: Should I switch xorg.conf to nv?
[01:59] <Hellow> (I guess yes)
[01:59] <RAOF> Or simply remove xorg.conf
[01:59] <Hellow> There isn't one :P.
[01:59] <RAOF> In which case, yay.
[02:00] <Hellow> Xorg segfaulted at boot over not having a nvidia module.
[02:00] <cousteau> Hellow: what about installing them manually?
[02:01] <Hellow> Also, when logging in at terminal, I get a error where the MOTD should be: "run-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade exited with return code 1"
[02:04] <Hellow> Hmm. Aptitude removed some python packages, and /etc/update.d/91-release-upgrade is a python script. I'll try reinstalling those packages.
[02:12] <Hellow> Hmm, reinstalled all the packages aptitude removed, but it's still erroring. This is odd.
[02:14] <knue> hi
[02:14] <knue> currently I'm getting this: http://pastebin.ca/1723194
[02:14] <knue> I guess this is not correct
[02:16] <Hellow> Huh, something about displaying at 75hz is something the drivers do not like.
[02:22] <bjsnider> RAOF, the 195 blob seems to work
[02:37] <Hellow> bjsnider, That's in the repos?
[02:38] <Hellow> Or self compile?
[02:45] <bjsnider> neither
[02:45] <bjsnider> ppa
[02:46] <Hellow> Ah, just found a blog post on that.
[02:46] <Hellow> Huh, "W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/thefirstm/karmic-testing/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found"
[02:49] <gorgonizer> Hellow: that repository has no packages for Lucid, only Karmic
[02:50] <Hellow> Oh
[02:50] <Hellow> I'm guessing this, then: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa ?
[02:51] <gorgonizer> I was just about to suggest the very same repository ;)
[03:00] <ck773> is there a problem with updates right now?
[03:04] <IdleOne> ck773: such as?
[03:04] <Hellow> The 195 driver fixed my problem.
[04:35] <ck773> same problem with updates, it says my system does not contain the package ubuntu-desktop, but i verified i had it before running the update
[04:36] <ck773> then it says "The package ubuntu-desktop is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist"
[05:09] <ripps> meh, I'm bored. I'm gonna d/l the latest lucid daily iso, see if works, and then upgrade my karmic to lucid
[06:36] <oldude67> ugh updated my hard ware a little on my production box now its giving me fits...just my luck..lol
[07:08] <oldude67> dang now i got a bunch of updates for lucind..sheesh its like they hit all at once.
[07:09] <oldude67> DanaG, wasnt it you that was having trouble with plymouth?
[07:48] <oldude67> yeah 62 updates and i still have x, must of got lucky..lmao
[08:01] <oldude67> what sucks is i had to redownload the 9.10 and burn a cd cause the only one i had was the one for 9.10 release...and it was all funky trying to load.
[08:01] <oldude67> oh well thats not for this channel  anyways.
[09:37] <ripps> Hmmm... I'm actually impressed how much the ati kms has improved with the latest lucid-daily iso. I think I'll upgrade to Lucid now. My biggest worry was that I wouldn't be able to play hd videos, and I accomplished that from the livecd
[09:44] <ripps> hmm... why does it want to remove xserver-xorg-input-wacom? I use a graphire3 as my main input.
[11:26] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[11:42] <Oli```> Is it possible to reverse a SSH connection, not in the port sense but so that the place I connected to (my desktop) could control the ssh client connecting to it (my phone)?
[11:44] <SwedeMike> Oli```: you can do port forwarding, but this isn't really a #ubuntu+1 question.
[11:44] <Oli```> Sorry! Thought I was in -uk
[11:48] <h4writer> Somebody told me there was a package in ubuntu repo's to download lucid in a VM. Is this true or should I create a image myself?
[11:50] <BUGabundo_work> h4writer: not that i know of
[11:50] <BUGabundo_work> at least not in the archive
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> there's a *very* old vmware image in cdimage h4writer
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> h4writer: but *all* images are LIVECDs so u have ZERO setup
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[11:52] <h4writer> BUGabundo_work, Ty
[11:53] <h4writer> BUGabundo_work, the link you gave me looks a bit outdated ? It goes to 7.10 only
[11:54] <BUGabundo_work> [11:51] <BUGabundo_work> there's a *very* old vmware image in cdimage h4writer
[11:54] <h4writer> ah lol, I get it :P
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> :)
[12:34] <hanshenrik> is there a 64-bit repo for lucid?
[12:36] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: lucid is available in 64bit, yes.
[12:38] <hanshenrik> i have a 32-bit setup, i wanna try update-manager -d to lucid, but i guess the update-manager will update to the 32-bit version of lucid, any way i can force the update manager to update to 64-bit instead? (and my cpu is 64-bit, intel core i7)
[12:38] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: you have to re-install to go from 32bit to 64bit
[12:38] <hanshenrik> hmm.. kay
[12:39] <SwedeMike> I have a nvidia 8400GS, X won't start for me as of at least 10 days, is this a known problem that will be fixed, or should I take some corrective action? (my xorg.conf is basically empty)
[12:40] <hanshenrik> SwedeMike, what if i tried something hackish like replace the "/etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade" with a 64-bit equivalent?
[12:43] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: it won't work, you have to do other things.
[12:43] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: there are some guides for debian, I tried it, never got it to work.
[12:43] <hanshenrik> hmm.. any idea what things? :p
[12:44] <hanshenrik> ok
[12:44] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: basically you have to boot 64 bit kernel, get the 32bit compat environment running, then get the basic libs etc to 64bit, then change the arch of all your packages
[12:44] <SwedeMike> unless you REALLY need to do this, I'd recommend doing a re-install
[12:45] <hanshenrik> i really cant
[12:45] <hanshenrik> the AMD64 setup hangs for a while, then goes in an endless loop complaining about "CPU #5" (its a quad)
[12:45] <hanshenrik> (while i dont got that problem in the 86 or win7-64)
[12:47] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: well, if the amd64 kernel does that then that'd most likely happen when you booted the amd64 kernel as well
[12:47] <SwedeMike> amd64 install kernel, I mean
[12:53] <hanshenrik> btw wanna tell some background here, i bought a expensive new laptop (with very new & modern hardware), and no problems at all in Win7 64, but on ubuntu (9.10), it cant use my WLAN card, it cant use the 64-bit setup, it cant access all my ram (due to having to use 32-bit), i have installed all the proposed hardware-drivers in system->administration->hardware drivers, still not working. also...
[12:53] <hanshenrik> ...ubuntu fails to start like 50%++ of the time (most of the time it just "hangs with that white icon until i pull the plug") ..  and #ubuntu was of no help (well except going to a kernel with PAE enabled for all ram), its a long shot but i hope that lucid got better hardware support for my laptop, and if that doesn't work, im sticking with win7 a while :p
[12:56] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: well, try lucid on a USB stick first and see if it works, if it does, joy, if not, well, then you know that.
[12:57] <hanshenrik> i dont got a usb stick (well i got a 1 GB one somewhere that i cant find, but i guess the lucid builds are bigger)
[12:58] <SwedeMike> you can boot off a live cd as well
[12:59] <SwedeMike> just burn the installer and see if it boots
[12:59] <hanshenrik> that sounds like an idea!  - umm where can i get a recent lucid build live-cd? (or do i have to compile it myself or something? :()
[13:01] <SwedeMike> hanshenrik: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-1/
[13:01] <hanshenrik> thanks
[13:06] <zikalify> hi
[13:07] <zikalify> could someone suggest they replace GIMP with rgbPaint because it is very simple and does most things MS paint does
[13:08] <SwedeMike> zikalify: rgbpaint seems to be available in 9.04 anyway, have you checked that it's been going away?
[13:09] <SwedeMike> otherwise I'm sure it'll be available
[13:12] <arand> SwedeMike: I'm guessing he/she means "in default install", right zikalify?
[13:26] <BUGabundo_work> hanshenrik: u can use all your RAM with 32Bits
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> just needto use teh PAE kernel
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> but a clean install is the easyest way to change
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> export all your apps list with dselect
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> and the reput them back after install
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> SwedeMike: thats a old link. better dive daily
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> !daiy
[13:27] <hanshenrik> no need, i installed ubuntu today, and i got nothing important :p
[13:28] <BUGabundo_work> !daily
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:30] <BUGabundo_work> hey BluesKaj
[13:30] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo_work
[13:33] <hanshenrik> btw funny project, i've download the source to update-manager,, gonna try to force it to believe im 64-bit, run it in sudo update-manager -d, let it go to hell, then ill re-install ^.^  sounds fun  (got nothing i will miss in this system-setup)
[13:33] <BUGabundo_work> anyone knows where i can find KDE icon pack repo?
[13:33] <BUGabundo_work> hanshenrik: or an huge mess
[13:33] <BUGabundo_work> ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:33] <BluesKaj> I'm still having probs with lucid taking forever to load the properties box on some files as well as having to login twice every bootup
[13:34] <JMFTheVCI> I can only get GDM to run after a boot to safe mode. Anyone else seeing this. Also I get a message "cannot connect to plymouth" at boot? Is this common as well?
[13:34] <hanshenrik> i think #ubuntu-kernel is a invite-only channel, right?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_work, try www.kde-look.org
[13:34] <hanshenrik> oh, nvm it isnt
[13:34] <arand> hanshenrik: I think even if you install a 64bit u-m, that won't make it pull in 64bit updates..
[13:35] <BUGabundo_work> BluesKaj: down
[13:36] <BluesKaj> hmm, wonder what happened there
[13:37] <hanshenrik> arand: no im not, i have downloaded the source-code, im gonna built it in 32-bit (tho i dont think it would make a diffrence if i compile it with gcc -march=64 or gcc -march=32.. may be wrong tho), but build it to believe that it's running 64-bit no matter what, so it will try to update to lucid-lynx 64-bit when i run "sudo update-manager -d" :p (this problably just ends up as a big fail...
[13:37] <hanshenrik> ...but, i think it will be a good time-waster)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_work, most of kde sites seem to be down :(
[13:40] <zikalify> yes i meant default install of rgbpaint for 10.04 to replace gimp bcus they said they wanted an easier to use paint program
[13:42] <arand> zikalify: I think they're ignoring the "MSpaint" equivalent completely, F-spot in for simple photo-editing...
[13:42] <hanshenrik> update-manager is actually made in python???
[13:43] <BUGabundo_work> hanshenrik: yes
[13:44] <hanshenrik> thats new, thought just about everything that ships with ubuntu was C/c++ :p
[13:44] <zikalify> kk
[13:46] <arand> zikalify: but any complaints to that should go on the discussion part of the blueprint whiteboard afaik: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-default-apps
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> c/c++ ? lolol
[13:50] <bjsnider> python is very popular for whatever reason
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> around 50% of the desktop tools in Ubuntu are python this days
[14:38] <Oli```> Because Python is awesome.
[14:40] <BUGabundo_work> cough
[14:43] <jordanwb> A few days ago the topic for this channel mentionned that gnome packages would be held back till a package was updated. Was that package updated?
[15:07] <soee> hi
[15:39] <edgy_> Hi, I used usb-creator to install lucid cd iso on a usb flash and when I do dist-upgrade from the stick, it complains no free space though the flash is 4G
[15:39] <BUGabundo_work> edgy_: usb-creator doesnt "install" in the pen drive
[15:39] <BUGabundo_work> just copies the CD image and makes it bootable
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> its "just" a live, discartable system
[15:40] <edgy_> BUGabundo_work: you mean every thing I install would go to RAM?
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> u "shouldnt" make upgrades on it
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> cause they are going to be discarted on boot
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> edgy_: well yeah, kinda
[15:40] <edgy_> BUGabundo_work: I remember I did a persistent install before but don't remember how now
[15:40] <BUGabundo_work> until u install it "for real" in your system
[15:41] <BUGabundo_work> well usb-creator has an option for that
[15:41] <BUGabundo_work> but i havent manage to get it to work with 9.10
[15:41] <edgy_> BUGabundo_work: ah ok I will try that and report back, thanks a lot
[15:41] <BUGabundo_work> still 4GiBs is not _much_ to fit all system + upgrades
[15:42] <BUGabundo_work> if u find a working way to make a system install in the pen, without messing with hard disk system let me know
[15:42] <BUGabundo_work> i broke and had to repair a laptop this weekend while trying that
[15:42] <BUGabundo_work> to use a lucid livecd and install it on the pendrive as a disk
[15:43] <BUGabundo_work> but the grub didnt like that very much. even after i told it to install in the pendrive, it would not boot, and messed the HD grub :((
[15:43] <BUGabundo_work> plus it will not install in ext2 and requires SWAP
[15:43] <om26er> i want to install plymouth without libdrm-nouveau1 is it possible?
[15:43] <BUGabundo_work> why would i want swap on a FLASH device, beats me
[15:44]  * BUGabundo_work returns to silence
[15:44]  * om26er don't use nvidia
[15:45] <soee> can u tell me pls how many problems can i expect when i upgrade do 10.04 a1, is it much crashy or atm?
[15:46] <BUGabundo_work> soee: X is broken
[15:46] <BUGabundo_work> KDE is a bit of a mess
[15:46] <BUGabundo_work> audio is spot as usual
[15:46] <soee> but tehre is KDE 4.4 b4 now right ?
[15:46] <soee> *b2
[15:46] <hifi> aptitude just broke
[15:46] <BUGabundo_work> either try a livecd/usb, or make backups and join the fun
[15:46] <BUGabundo_work> hifi: LOL
[15:47] <soee> nah i think ill stay with 9.10 till rc1
[15:47] <hifi> http://pastey.net/130533-1p4p
[15:47] <BUGabundo_work> soee: LOLOLOL
[15:47] <hifi> what the heck just happened
[15:47] <BUGabundo_work> so why are u asking so soon?
[15:48] <BUGabundo_work> either u got what it takes to join the wagon, or dont complain after release, your stuff doesnt work
[15:48] <BUGabundo_work> hifi: thats serious
[15:48] <BUGabundo_work> jump to #ubuntu-dev and get someone to look into it
[15:48] <hifi> apt-get works fine
[16:24] <BUGabundo_work> is devicekit broken?
[16:24] <BUGabundo_work> anything on ExtFS will not mount as userland
[16:24] <BUGabundo_work> just root
[16:24] <BUGabundo_work> and even when it does, like in fat
[16:24] <BUGabundo_work> if u try to delete something, system goes to RO
[16:25] <BUGabundo_work> happens in both lucid and debian unstable
[16:28] <crimsun> who has an Analog Devices HDA codec?
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> i think i do
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> but not "here"
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> at home
[16:37] <crimsun> BUGabundo_work: ok, let me know. I have some powerdown fixes for those codecs that I need testing.
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> crimsun: like having it startup with the volume it was when i shutdown?
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> cause having it MUTEd every time is a bit sucky
[16:52] <crimsun> BUGabundo_work: no, that's unrelated
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[16:52] <crimsun> BUGabundo_work: is that box running lucid or karmic?
[16:52] <BUGabundo_work> well LCD bright is worse
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> it keeps reseting to some "strange" value
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> my laptop runs +1 (everytime)
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> even this work PC runs debian unstable
[16:53] <BUGabundo_work> :)
[16:53] <crimsun> that's some crazy PA stream (re)store race
[16:53] <crimsun> I haven't dug into it very deep yet, been busy chasing other driver bugs
[16:56] <BUGabundo_work> crimsun: not critical... but it can get some users by surprise... sure does to me some times, until i remember to unmute
[17:55] <arand> Hmm, aptitude crash, that's interesting...
[18:00] <BUGabundo_work> arand: worse
[18:00] <BUGabundo_work> apt db exposed
[18:00] <BUGabundo_work> wheres mvo when one needs him
[18:01] <arand> hmm? Well, seems apt-get works though...
[18:01] <arand> Recent updates to apt... blame-able I guess..
[18:06] <BUGabundo_work> well i wont be upgrading apt then
[18:10] <apocolipse> Hi, are there any methods for doing wubi install of Lucid alpha ?
[18:10] <maco> get wubi then hand it an iso?
[18:11] <maco> wubi is only included on desktop isos and those dont usually happen til alpha2
[18:11] <maco> but you can download wubi from teh internet separately
[18:11] <arand> BUGabundo_work: Do we have a bug report on that yet?
[18:11] <BUGabundo_work> not my crash
[18:11] <BUGabundo_work> ask him
[18:42]  * BluesKaj still wonders why Lucid needs 2 logins ay bootup
[20:10] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:23] <yoasif> anyone seeing this? http://pastebin.com/m3672da8a
[20:31] <BluesKaj> yoasif, using aptitude ..got the same thing ..better update with apt ..looks like aptitude is broken
[20:31] <yoasif> BluesKaj, bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/499543
[20:32] <arand> yoasif: Yea, I reported a while ago, do fill in if I missed something.
[20:32] <BluesKaj> yoasif, did your run command disappear too (alt+f2) ?
[20:32] <yoasif> BluesKaj, that happened to me a while ago, recent updates fixed that though
[20:33] <BluesKaj> hmm, I just updated a few mins ago , it's still not fixed
[20:33] <yoasif> BluesKaj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/492057
[20:33] <yoasif> they marked it as invalid, but i think it should be confirmed :P
[20:34] <BluesKaj> yoasif, , running kde 4.4 here , may that could be part of the the problem
[20:34] <yoasif> ahh
[20:34] <yoasif> im running gnome, so i dont know... fairly sure it's a real bug
[20:34] <yoasif> but it's hard to diagnose
[20:34] <yoasif> oh!
[20:34] <yoasif> try a new user account
[20:34] <BluesKaj> it's default with kubuntulucid
[20:34] <yoasif> it disappeared for me when i tried that
[20:35] <BluesKaj> and the double login as well :P
[20:37] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gotta check the postbox
[20:38] <yoasif> kk
[20:39] <benste> hi, where can I file a bug against the grafical installer - what's the name of the package ?
[20:40] <yoasif> i believe it is ubiquity
[20:40] <yoasif> maybe ubiquity-gtk
[20:40] <yoasif> do a search
[20:41] <benste> yoasif: should I use ubuntu-bug ubiquity if the system is installed or is thewre a way to do this from another machien ?
[20:41] <yoasif> benste, what is the error?
[20:42] <benste> the "next" button is always colored as it would have been already pressed - thought the system freezed but i just had to click again
[20:42] <benste> guess this is a real minor bug but it's annoying
[20:42] <yoasif> benste, you are in the livecd?
[20:43] <benste> no I've just finished installation from live cd
[20:43] <benste> alpha 1
[20:43] <yoasif> ah, for something like that, it may already be filed -- you should check to see if it exists in the daily live cds
[20:43] <yoasif> and it's not going to help if you aren't in the live env
[20:44] <benste> yoasif: Is there a way to get the daily live as torrent - downloading the whole image would cost me arround 1/2 day :-)
[20:44] <benste> my NAS could do if i'd have a torrent
[20:45] <yoasif> benste, you can you can use rsync :/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[20:45] <yoasif> so it only updates what has changed
[20:45] <yoasif> not sure about torrents
[20:46] <benste> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:46] <benste> doesn't have any torrents
[20:46] <benste> so I'll have to take a look at rsync
[20:46] <benste> :-)
[20:46] <BluesKaj> yeah, normally ubuquity uninstalls itself after the OS install almost done
[20:48] <benste> does so of you have 3 mins and the daily live ?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> ??
[20:51] <benste> np I'll try zsync or rsync later :-)
[20:51] <BluesKaj> I'm talking about a clean install from the live cd
[20:52] <BluesKaj> nm... guess i missed the point
[20:55] <benste> yoasif looks like zsync is really easy, only installing and starting from CLI with zsync <downloaded file>
[21:20] <darthanubis> ubiquity fails upon trying to partition the hard drive
[21:21] <darthanubis> or alter partitions already present
[21:22] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[21:23] <BluesKaj> but that's why I use gparted to partition everything first , before an install
[21:28] <benste> does so know if daily live is broken? - I can't enter the gui , the image is ok
[21:32] <BluesKaj> benste, using aptitude , if so it's broken , apt is the way to update/upgrade now
[21:35] <benste> BluesKaj: you know that I'm testing daily live cause of an ubiquity issue ? :-)
[21:36] <benste> chekcing cd for defects does end up in file or dir not found so i guess ISO is broken
[21:36] <benste> I'll try again tomorrow
[21:56] <BUGabundo> boas o/
[21:56] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ping I'm back home if you need further tests
[22:02] <crimsun> BUGabundo: can you verify that you have an AD HDA codec on the desired Lucid machine?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:02] <BUGabundo> how do I need to run to make sure?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ^^^
[22:03] <crimsun> BUGabundo: grep Realtek /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[22:03] <BUGabundo> crimsun: /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Realtek ALC883
[22:03] <crimsun> excellent
[22:03] <crimsun> let me get you a git changeset right quick...
[22:04] <maco> crimsun: you been hanging around akgraner? your southerner's comin out
[22:04] <BUGabundo> why don't I feel so good, all of the sudden !?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> maco LOLOLOL
[22:04] <crimsun> BUGabundo: you'll need to grab http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-20091219.tar.bz2 , too
[22:04] <BUGabundo> now I want to know how akgraner sounds too
[22:04] <akgraner> maco, :-P
[22:04] <BUGabundo> akgraner:  ***
[22:04] <akgraner> southern...just sayin'
[22:05] <BUGabundo> crimsun: step by step... baby steps :)
[22:05] <crimsun> maco: what?
[22:05] <maco> crimsun: "right quick"
[22:05] <BUGabundo> my sound is just *perfect* right now :\
[22:05] <maco> that was so north carolina
[22:05] <akgraner> crimsun, "right quick".....
[22:05] <crimsun> no it isn't
[22:05] <crimsun> people from all over say "right quick"
[22:05] <maco> ...from all over the south
[22:06] <akgraner> crimsun, that they do..:-)
[22:06] <crimsun> it isn't a southern thAng
[22:06] <BluesKaj> is there a substitute for the run command (alt+f2) ? , mine has disappeared
[22:06] <bjsnider> crimsun, you never did answer my question in the other channel about whether it's ok to destroy a userland config file during a package install/upgrade
[22:06] <maco> BluesKaj: panel not running?
[22:07] <BluesKaj> panel is fine . no alt+f2
[22:07] <crimsun> bjsnider: I'm pretty busy (and was pretty busy), so sorry for leaving you in the lurch
[22:07] <maco> kde or gnome? cuz alt+f2 is built into the gnome-panel on gnome
[22:07] <bjsnider> no rush
[22:07] <BluesKaj> maco, tried openbox . but it fails to launch as well
[22:07] <crimsun> bjsnider: the short answer is that I don't know enough about that problem domain. In general, it's unacceptable to do so.
[22:07] <BluesKaj> kde
[22:07] <maco> thats krunner then
[22:08] <maco> see if itll start from a terminal, maybe?
[22:09] <BluesKaj> krunner fials in the terminal ...errors galore
[22:09] <BluesKaj> fails
[22:09] <bjsnider> crimsun, using pulseaudio as an example, would you deliberately destroy the ~/.pulse directory if it would help matters during a pulse upgrade?
[22:09] <maco> BluesKaj: bug report time?
[22:09] <crimsun> bjsnider: I would have already done that if it were acceptable, but then again I *know* this problem domain
[22:09] <crimsun> bjsnider: gconf tomfoolery, not so much
[22:09] <slacker_nl> grrrrr
[22:09] <maco> bjsnider: how would you ensure that *every* user's config is destroyed?
[22:10] <slacker_nl> i thought I understood pinning
[22:10] <slacker_nl> now the thing won't pin apt for me
[22:10] <bjsnider> you mean you haven't done it only because it would cross a line?
[22:10] <maco> bjsnider: particularly when other users may have encrypted home directories, and thus you cant delete their dot files unless theyre logged in at the time?
[22:10] <crimsun> bjsnider: doing so is unacceptable both technically and Policy-wise
[22:10] <BluesKaj> maco, possibly , I guess I'm thinking I caused it somehow and that there's a quickfix :P
[22:11] <bjsnider> maco, easy as pie. you write a preinst script that contains rm -rf type instructions
[22:11] <BUGabundo> is apt fixed?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I've it pinned down
[22:11] <BUGabundo> so it won't uppgrade
[22:11] <maco> bjsnider: but if my user is not logged in and i have encrypted ~, you *cant* find my ~/.pulse to delete it in your package script
[22:11] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo: how'd you do that?
[22:12] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo: it seems to ignore my pinning :/
[22:12] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, apt seems ok , aptitude not so good
[22:12] <slacker_nl> BluesKaj: aptitude works when apt is downgraded
[22:12] <BUGabundo> slacker_nl: aptitude hold apt apt-utils
[22:12] <BUGabundo> :DDD
[22:12] <bjsnider> maco, that's ok. i can only do what i can do. if it's impossible that's a different issue. i as the packager cannot be blamed for the config file not being blown away in that case
[22:12]  * BUGabundo aptitude ROCKZ
[22:12] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo: ahh k :)
[22:12] <BluesKaj> slacker_nl, downgraded ?
[22:13] <maco> bjsnider: but thisd mean "interesting" results, user-dependent, and thatd be rather bad
[22:13] <maco> and like crimsun says...policy-wise...dont touch /home/*
[22:13] <bjsnider> maco, but right now the file is not being wiped out at all. wiping some of them out is better than none
[22:14] <maco> i disagree. that means inconsistent results
[22:14] <maco> consistency is rather important
[22:14] <bjsnider> maco, what happens when the new package does not behave as intended simply because this userland file is stopping it?
[22:14] <slacker_nl> BluesKaj: yes
[22:15] <slacker_nl> BUGabundo: http://pb.opperschaap.net/134
[22:15] <maco> bjsnider: the software itself can modify dotfiles on first run, but the package maintainer scripts should not touch them
[22:16] <crimsun> s/should/must/
[22:16] <slacker_nl> BluesKaj: apt-get install --reinstall apt=<version>
[22:17] <bjsnider> maco, on first run of a new version, or on first run as in the first time it is installed?
[22:17] <maco> bjsnider: the first time that user runs that software. either of those is possible
[22:18] <maco> it is common to check "does a config exist? if not, create it" when its the first time thta user has ever run that software
[22:18] <bjsnider> what if the config file does not normally exist
[22:18] <maco> in this case, youd want the software to check "does a config exist? if not, create it. if so, but its an old format, upgrade it"
[22:18] <bjsnider> even after the software is run
[22:18] <BluesKaj> slacker_nl,  nm , I'll just use apt for now , I'm more concerned about the "run command" , I rely on it a lot
[22:18] <crimsun> BUGabundo: have you downloaded the daily tarball?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:18] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ok, now you'll need the patches in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/powerdown-analog/
[22:19] <BUGabundo> crimsun: both ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> done
[22:19] <maco> bjsnider: if it doesnt normally have a config file, then what is it that youd be deleting?
[22:20] <bjsnider> maco, check and see if you have this file: ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml
[22:20] <maco> bjsnider: i do
[22:20] <crimsun> BUGabundo: now please extract the daily tarball, then apply both patches
[22:20] <maco> no idea what it does (or rather, what it *would do* if i used gnome)
[22:21] <slacker_nl> BluesKaj: I'm on Debian again, lucid hasn't been my best friend
[22:21] <BUGabundo> crimsun: how?
[22:22] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I presume you can extract the tarball yourself
[22:22] <BUGabundo> done
[22:22] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:24] <BluesKaj> slacker_nl, I'm afraid to admit that I'm beginning to have second thoughts myself :P
[22:24] <crimsun> BUGabundo: cd alsa-driver && patch -p1 < /wherever/you/downloaded/0001.. && patch -p1 < /wherever/you/downloaded/0002
[22:25] <bjsnider> maco, at some point, you changed the properties of the wallpaper on your system so it did not match the xml files in /usr/share/gnome-background-properties
[22:25] <maco> bjsnider: would that include adding more backgrounds to the appearances thingy?
[22:25] <bjsnider> when you did, that file was created
[22:25] <bjsnider> maco, no
[22:26] <bjsnider> well, yes
[22:26] <BUGabundo> crimsun: its taking a while
[22:26] <maco> bjsnider: so if you delete that, people's custom backgrounds all have to be manually re-added?
[22:26] <bjsnider> maco, yes
[22:26] <crimsun> BUGabundo: what is?
[22:26] <bjsnider> but
[22:26] <BluesKaj> gonna switch to the laptop ..stretch out in the easy chair for a bit ...bbinafew
[22:26] <BUGabundo> crimsun: the patch apply
[22:26] <crimsun> BUGabundo: it should be instantaneous
[22:26] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:27] <maco> bjsnider: this sounds like it goes into the "would annoy users" category
[22:27] <crimsun> BUGabundo: you omitted the redirection, probably
[22:27] <BUGabundo> crimsun: /audio/alsa-driver$ patch -p1 0001-ALSA-hda-Add-powerdown-noise-fixes-for-Analog-Device.patch
[22:27] <crimsun> right
[22:27] <BUGabundo> its just there.. stuck
[22:27] <BUGabundo> oops
[22:27] <maco> BUGabundo: the redirect...is missing
[22:27] <BUGabundo> sorry
[22:27] <bjsnider> if i release an updated wallpapers package that has changed settings for the existing images, they will nto take effect because that file overrides the system-wide xml files in gnome
[22:27] <BUGabundo> crimsun: patching file sound/pci/hda/patch_analog.c
[22:27] <BUGabundo> done
[22:27] <BUGabundo> both
[22:30] <crimsun> BUGabundo: good, now: ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make -j3
[22:30] <DanaG> weird... if I have nothing connected to ttyS0, yet have a getty on it... my syslog gets spammed with "ttyS0 terminated with status 1".
[22:30] <BUGabundo> there goes my sound :D
[22:32] <BUGabundo> crimsun: finito
[22:32] <crimsun> BUGabundo: sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound
[22:32] <crimsun> BUGabundo: afterward, reboot
[22:33] <BUGabundo> reboot?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> but I never reboot !!!
[22:33] <crimsun> yes, you need to hard-reset your HDA codec
[22:33] <BUGabundo> WARNING!!! The mixer channels for the ALSA driver are muted by default!!!
[22:33] <BUGabundo> **************************************************************************
[22:33] <BUGabundo> You would use some ALSA or OSS mixer to set the appropriate volume.
[22:33] <crimsun> you can safely ignore that
[22:33] <BUGabundo> okay
[22:33] <BUGabundo> brb in 2
[22:34] <BUGabundo> _I hope_
[22:34] <crimsun> jeez, I think I put that in about six years ago
[22:34] <maco> *snort*
[22:34] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:34] <crimsun> no, sorry, ten years ago
[22:34] <BUGabundo> crimsun: eta 2m 2s
[22:35] <BUGabundo> so just a bit longer while this finish up
[22:35] <BUGabundo> crimsun: 10y ??
[22:35] <BUGabundo> man, we are old :\
[22:35] <bjsnider> crimsun, you've been hacking on alsa for 10 years?
[22:35] <crimsun> yes.
[22:35] <bjsnider> alsa itself has been around for 10 years?
[22:35] <crimsun> longer
[22:35] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: assuming he did that just after he started hackign it :D
[22:35] <crimsun> I was doing OSS before that
[22:36] <bjsnider> well, it's time to scrap it and get something better in there
[22:36] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LOL
[22:36] <bjsnider> i had to say it
[22:36] <bjsnider> i mean this is linux
[22:38] <BUGabundo> reboot
[22:44] <BUGabundo> crimsun: [   10.206294] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22)
[22:44] <BUGabundo> and no sound
[22:44] <BUGabundo> at least its not muted :D
[22:45] <crimsun> hmm
[22:45] <BUGabundo> also got this
[22:45] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/344985/
[22:45] <BUGabundo> not sure its related
[22:45] <BUGabundo> crimsun: need full syslog?
[22:45] <lifedevil> anyone else had this issue with 10.04, mountall: could not connect to plymouth on boot up then blackscreen
[22:46] <crimsun> bug	full dmesg
[22:46] <crimsun> friggin irssi
[22:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: $ dmesg  | pastebinit
[22:47] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f66ae41c3
[22:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: can I now have my sound back again !? :p
[22:48] <crimsun> sec
[22:51] <crimsun> hmm, you're getting an EINVAL
[22:51] <crimsun> that's quite odd, because my code doesn't touch it
[22:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239
[22:51] <DanaG> that's the issue I have.
[22:52] <BUGabundo> crimsun: my system is pretty standrd
[22:53] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ok, let's see if today's snap works without my changes
[22:53] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:53] <BUGabundo> cause I would like to watch my tv shows :P
[22:54] <crimsun> BUGabundo: extract the tarball to a new directory and compile it using the same configure parameters, but *don't* apply my two patches beforehand
[22:55] <BUGabundo> compliling
[22:56] <crimsun> BUGabundo: and afterward, the same make install, rm, reboot procedure
[22:56] <BUGabundo> ALSA modules were successfully compiled.
[22:57] <BUGabundo> $ sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound
[22:57] <crimsun> yes
[22:57] <BUGabundo> it was faster this time
[22:57] <BUGabundo> rebooting
[23:00] <BUGabundo> crimsun:  dmesg | pastebinit
[23:00] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f5677fbcd
[23:00] <BUGabundo> $ dmesg | grep codec
[23:00] <BUGabundo> [   18.732876] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22)
[23:00] <BUGabundo> no sound yet :((
[23:00] <crimsun> swtee
[23:01] <BUGabundo> didn't see the warning on boot, like last time
[23:01] <crimsun> ok, so it isn't my code. Not that I thought it could have been.
[23:01] <BUGabundo> but did see something about plymouth
[23:01] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ok, let's back up to 1.0.21, then
[23:01] <crimsun> (the daily snapshot is slightly newer than 1.0.22)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> fine by me
[23:02] <BUGabundo> as long as I can put mplayer to work
[23:03] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2
[23:03] <BUGabundo> 2009-12-22 23:03:52 (358 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2' saved [3112563]
[23:04] <crimsun> oh blah, 1.0.21 is too old
[23:04] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[23:04] <crimsun> we don't have the reboot callback in 21, sigh
[23:04] <BUGabundo> glad I have "unlimited" bw
[23:04] <BUGabundo> crimsun: archive or ppa then ?
[23:05] <crimsun> BUGabundo: no, just download 1.0.22
[23:05] <BUGabundo> from ftp ?
[23:05] <crimsun> (change "21" to "22" in the url)
[23:05] <BUGabundo>     [            <=>                                                                                                     ] 1,058,536    403K/s
[23:05] <BUGabundo> 2009-12-22 23:05:30 (430 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2.1' saved [3112563]
[23:05] <crimsun> 1.0.22, not 1.0.21
[23:06] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:06] <BUGabundo> no idea how i missed that
[23:06] <BUGabundo> at this hours, I can barelly keep my eyes open :(
[23:06] <BUGabundo> 2009-12-22 23:06:26 (421 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.22.tar.bz2' saved [3198841]
[23:07] <BUGabundo> crimsun: same stuff ?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> compile and install ?
[23:07] <crimsun> BUGabundo: yes, first test *without* my patches
[23:08] <BUGabundo> are you planing two more reboots !? :(
[23:08] <crimsun> yes
[23:08] <cwillu_clone> Is there a way to compile just a single module out of the tree against the installed headers?  I'm trying to patch a single driver, and have little interest in compiling the whole kernel :p
[23:08] <crimsun> that's just the way it is, unfortunately. I have to live with your codec's constraints.
[23:09] <RAOF> cwillu_clone: Yes, absolutely.  Check out, for example, the nouveau-kernel-source package, which does exactly that.
[23:09] <BUGabundo> crimsun: that's plain evil :p
[23:09] <crimsun> BUGabundo: don't buy Realtek, then
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ehe
[23:09] <crimsun> sorry, but all HDA codecs suck like that.
[23:09] <BUGabundo> its onboard
[23:09] <BUGabundo> not much choice there
[23:11] <BUGabundo> crimsun: brb
[23:14] <BUGabundo> crimsun: guess what
[23:14] <BUGabundo> no sound
[23:14] <crimsun> same error?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> $ dmesg | grep codec
[23:14] <BUGabundo> [   18.970120] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> $ dmesg | pastebinit
[23:14] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f2293d549
[23:14] <crimsun> sigh, awesome.
[23:14] <BUGabundo> assuming dmesg aint posting from past boot, yes
[23:14] <crimsun> let's see, no MSI?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:15] <BUGabundo> asustek
[23:15] <cwillu_clone> RAOF, as far as I can tell, making that package required an expert level understanding of how things are assembled.  Is that really the best example?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> OEM umbranded
[23:15] <RAOF> cwillu_clone: Well, maybe :)
[23:15] <crimsun> BUGabundo: sorry, no, I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Signaled_Interrupts
[23:16] <crimsun> BUGabundo: lots of motherboards and bioses are broken WRT MSI
[23:16] <BUGabundo> crimsun: now patching and do it again ?
[23:16] <crimsun> BUGabundo: not yet, just a sec
[23:16] <BUGabundo> FYI sound was perfect before this :\
[23:16] <BUGabundo> okay
[23:16]  * BUGabundo returns to RSS reading
[23:16] <RAOF> cwillu_clone: You could also see alsa-source, I think.  If the module is cooperative, it can be quite easy.
[23:16] <cwillu_clone> It's a little odd that it's easier to patch an nvidia kernel module's source against a running kernel than it is to patch an in-tree driver's source :p
[23:17] <BUGabundo> I would say to ping me, but no audio, so I can't be alerted :\
[23:17]  * cwillu_clone pings BUGabundo 
[23:17] <crimsun> BUGabundo: can you append enable_msi=0 to the options snd-hda-intel line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, then reboot?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> sure
[23:17] <BUGabundo> # Power down HDA controllers after 10 idle seconds
[23:17] <BUGabundo> options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N enable_msi=0
[23:17] <crimsun> yep
[23:19] <cwillu_clone> hmm
[23:19] <BUGabundo> crimsun: done
[23:19] <BUGabundo> reboot ?
[23:20] <cwillu_clone> RAOF, assuming that alsa-source contains the driver in question, do I just need to include the patch in debian/patches?
[23:20] <crimsun> BUGabundo: yes
[23:21] <crimsun> cwillu_clone: which patch?
[23:21] <cwillu_clone> crimsun, theoretically adding support for an m-audio device
[23:22]  * cwillu_clone looks for the url
[23:22] <crimsun> cwillu_clone: just grab the 1.0.21 tarball and apply it to alsa-kernel/usb/
[23:22] <crimsun> cwillu_clone: no point in messing with alsa-source and m-a at this point
[23:23] <cwillu_clone> I think that leaves me at my first question :p
[23:23] <crimsun> why? You're just compiling ALSA
[23:24] <crimsun> on a decently fast system, that takes one minute or less.
[23:24] <cwillu_clone> although I hadn't realized that it was actually an alsa related thing originally
[23:24] <cwillu_clone> usbaudio.c <- alsa's territory?
[23:24] <crimsun> yes.
[23:25] <crimsun> --with-cards=usb-audio
[23:29] <cwillu_clone> crimsun, thanks
[23:29]  * cwillu_clone knows who to bug now :)
[23:30] <j_ack> cwillu_clone, do you use an m-audio usb-Card?
[23:30] <cwillu_clone> j_ack, no, but I play one on tv
[23:30] <cwillu_clone> I mean, yes
[23:31] <cwillu_clone> well, no, but I want to
[23:31] <BluesKaj> now both lucid boxes have no 'run command'
[23:31] <j_ack> cwillu_clone, what´s the name of these card
[23:31] <cwillu_clone> fast truck ultra
[23:31] <cwillu_clone> track
[23:36]  * cwillu_clone patiently waits for a compile
[23:38] <bjsnider> cwillu_clone, what is hard about patching an in-tree driver?
[23:38] <cwillu_clone> bjsnider, compiling just the driver against the running kernel
[23:39] <crimsun> bjsnider: what's hard? You have to build the entire base kernel to get symbols for resolution
[23:39] <bjsnider> not with the blob
[23:40] <RAOF> Because it's build system is designed for out-of-tree work.
[23:40] <bjsnider> yeah. ain't it great?
[23:40] <RAOF> Well, not really; it breaks nearly every major kernel version.
[23:43]  * cwillu_clone sighs
[23:43] <cwillu_clone> what is it that restarts pulseaudio?
[23:44] <RAOF> pulseaudio -k ?
[23:44] <cwillu_clone> try it
[23:44] <RAOF> That'll kill it, and it'll presumably get respawned pretty quickly.
[23:44] <cwillu_clone> indeed
[23:44] <cwillu_clone> hence my question
[23:45]  * cwillu_clone huggles RAOF
[23:45]  * BUGabundo pokes cwillu
[23:45]  * cwillu_clone eyes BUGabundo suspiciously
[23:46] <cwillu_clone> it's not gnome-session or gnome-settings-daemon
[23:47] <RAOF> Oh, right.
[23:47] <RAOF> No, it's autospawned whenever something tries to play sound or query pulseaudio.
[23:47] <cwillu_clone> ugh, really?
[23:48] <RAOF> Yes; you can disable this in ~/.pulseaudio.conf or something.
[23:50] <cwillu_clone> too much magic :/
[23:52] <crimsun> ~/.pulse/client.conf
[23:52] <crimsun> I've blogged about it before!
[23:53] <cwillu_clone> I just chmod a-x `which pulseaudio
[23:53] <cwillu_clone> and then rmmod'd 18 different modules
[23:54] <cwillu_clone> yay, I've compiled alsa :p
[23:59]  * cwillu_clone applies patches and recompiles