/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/22/#ubuntu+1.txt

crimsuni_is_broke: what update? I've done a lot of updates recently.00:19
i_is_brokecrimsun, sorry was working on the grandbabies christmas presents...and  was referring to anything for karmic.00:28
crimsuni_is_broke: I've uploaded a bunch of stuff; lucid-changes@ has them listed00:30
i_is_brokecrimsun, well i havent had any for lucid, how long ago did you upload them?00:30
crimsunabout 13 hours ago was the last00:31
i_is_brokeand just a few for karmic.00:31
crimsunbeen at work all day, etc., etc.00:31
crimsunalsa-lib is in karmic-proposed00:31
i_is_brokeyeah that was the one.00:31
i_is_brokewell there was a couple i think.00:32
i_is_brokebut i havent seen anything for lucid,and i just did an update too.00:32
bjsnidercrimsun, does alsa 1.0.22 contain any improvements for my sound card?00:33
crimsunbjsnider: I don't know what your sound card is.00:33
bjsnidercrimsun, i removed pulseaudio 2 years ago because i heard what i thought was a blip and now i need your help to put it back00:34
bjsniderjust kidding00:35
bjsnideri'm trying to ask the types of questions you usually get in here00:35
i_is_brokethe sad part as i have heard people say that more then once.lol00:36
bjsniderhow about this one00:36
bjsnideri got angry and hacked my sound card up with a jacknife and now i need your help to fix it00:36
i_is_brokenow when i was running slack instead of ubuntu, i did change out my sound card cause it didnt have the performance i wanted.00:37
i_is_brokeand of course it was easier to put a sound card in the ask any of them for help, cause of course if your new your stupid, and they dont waste time with stupid people.00:38
i_is_brokewell back to the grandbabies christmas presents...1 down 2 to go...yeah..:D00:40
UnHolyTerrorI have a java authentication popup window that won't accept input. nor will it close... I have to 'kill' it.01:01
UnHolyTerror8.04 - java 6 from the repos.01:02
UnHolyTerroraccessing a java applet in Firefox3.01:03
cousteauo/ all01:19
cousteauI have an nvidia card and this seems to work (although I read something about the nv driver not working) - how can I check what driver am I using?01:23
RAOFgrep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log01:23
cousteauit says that it loaded 3 drivers (nv, vesa, fbdev) and then unloaded vesa and fbdev, so I guess I'm using the nv one01:25
cousteauoh, when I tried to enter to IRC on empathy, the IRC option doesn't appear among the first use new account wizard01:27
RAOFYou might not have telepathy-idle installed?01:29
cousteau isn't xorg server 1.7 supposed to have MPX? how can I enable that?01:29
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HellowHmm, I'm having a more-than-slight problem after apt-get dist-upgrading on Lucid01:54
HellowFor some reason, dpkg err'd out. Something to do with brasero and removing a file.01:54
HellowSo, I aptitude -f'd. That removed.. what, dkms and the kernel. Then I dist-upgraded again.01:54
HellowRebooted, got a segfault at the beginning (that was from Xorg, I believe), it continued booting to terminal.01:55
HellowI'm at terminal, I can't install the needed nvidia drivers (that somehow got removed) without removing Xorg and ubuntu-desktop.01:55
HellowAnd apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove all the kernels, udev, xorg, and other packages along with it.01:56
RAOFHellow: There isn't a version of the nvidia blob in the archives that works with our X server; you can't install nvidia-glx at the moment.01:58
HellowRAOF: Should I switch xorg.conf to nv?01:59
Hellow(I guess yes)01:59
RAOFOr simply remove xorg.conf01:59
HellowThere isn't one :P.01:59
RAOFIn which case, yay.01:59
HellowXorg segfaulted at boot over not having a nvidia module.02:00
cousteauHellow: what about installing them manually?02:00
HellowAlso, when logging in at terminal, I get a error where the MOTD should be: "run-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade exited with return code 1"02:01
HellowHmm. Aptitude removed some python packages, and /etc/update.d/91-release-upgrade is a python script. I'll try reinstalling those packages.02:04
HellowHmm, reinstalled all the packages aptitude removed, but it's still erroring. This is odd.02:12
knuehi02:14
knuecurrently I'm getting this: http://pastebin.ca/172319402:14
knueI guess this is not correct02:14
HellowHuh, something about displaying at 75hz is something the drivers do not like.02:16
bjsniderRAOF, the 195 blob seems to work02:22
Hellowbjsnider, That's in the repos?02:37
HellowOr self compile?02:38
bjsniderneither02:45
bjsniderppa02:45
HellowAh, just found a blog post on that.02:46
HellowHuh, "W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/thefirstm/karmic-testing/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found"02:46
gorgonizerHellow: that repository has no packages for Lucid, only Karmic02:49
HellowOh02:50
HellowI'm guessing this, then: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa ?02:50
gorgonizerI was just about to suggest the very same repository ;)02:51
ck773is there a problem with updates right now?03:00
IdleOneck773: such as?03:04
HellowThe 195 driver fixed my problem.03:04
ck773same problem with updates, it says my system does not contain the package ubuntu-desktop, but i verified i had it before running the update04:35
ck773then it says "The package ubuntu-desktop is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist"04:36
rippsmeh, I'm bored. I'm gonna d/l the latest lucid daily iso, see if works, and then upgrade my karmic to lucid05:09
oldude67ugh updated my hard ware a little on my production box now its giving me fits...just my luck..lol06:36
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oldude67dang now i got a bunch of updates for lucind..sheesh its like they hit all at once.07:08
oldude67DanaG, wasnt it you that was having trouble with plymouth?07:09
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oldude67yeah 62 updates and i still have x, must of got lucky..lmao07:48
oldude67what sucks is i had to redownload the 9.10 and burn a cd cause the only one i had was the one for 9.10 release...and it was all funky trying to load.08:01
oldude67oh well thats not for this channel  anyways.08:01
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rippsHmmm... I'm actually impressed how much the ati kms has improved with the latest lucid-daily iso. I think I'll upgrade to Lucid now. My biggest worry was that I wouldn't be able to play hd videos, and I accomplished that from the livecd09:37
rippshmm... why does it want to remove xserver-xorg-input-wacom? I use a graphire3 as my main input.09:44
BUGabundo_workmorning11:26
Oli```Is it possible to reverse a SSH connection, not in the port sense but so that the place I connected to (my desktop) could control the ssh client connecting to it (my phone)?11:42
SwedeMikeOli```: you can do port forwarding, but this isn't really a #ubuntu+1 question.11:44
Oli```Sorry! Thought I was in -uk11:44
h4writerSomebody told me there was a package in ubuntu repo's to download lucid in a VM. Is this true or should I create a image myself?11:48
BUGabundo_workh4writer: not that i know of11:50
BUGabundo_workat least not in the archive11:50
BUGabundo_workthere's a *very* old vmware image in cdimage h4writer11:51
BUGabundo_workh4writer: but *all* images are LIVECDs so u have ZERO setup11:51
BUGabundo_workhttp://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/11:51
h4writerBUGabundo_work, Ty11:52
h4writerBUGabundo_work, the link you gave me looks a bit outdated ? It goes to 7.10 only11:53
BUGabundo_work[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> there's a *very* old vmware image in cdimage h4writer11:54
h4writerah lol, I get it :P11:54
BUGabundo_work:)11:55
hanshenrikis there a 64-bit repo for lucid?12:34
SwedeMikehanshenrik: lucid is available in 64bit, yes.12:36
hanshenriki have a 32-bit setup, i wanna try update-manager -d to lucid, but i guess the update-manager will update to the 32-bit version of lucid, any way i can force the update manager to update to 64-bit instead? (and my cpu is 64-bit, intel core i7)12:38
SwedeMikehanshenrik: you have to re-install to go from 32bit to 64bit12:38
hanshenrikhmm.. kay12:38
SwedeMikeI have a nvidia 8400GS, X won't start for me as of at least 10 days, is this a known problem that will be fixed, or should I take some corrective action? (my xorg.conf is basically empty)12:39
hanshenrikSwedeMike, what if i tried something hackish like replace the "/etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade" with a 64-bit equivalent?12:40
SwedeMikehanshenrik: it won't work, you have to do other things.12:43
SwedeMikehanshenrik: there are some guides for debian, I tried it, never got it to work.12:43
hanshenrikhmm.. any idea what things? :p12:43
hanshenrikok12:44
SwedeMikehanshenrik: basically you have to boot 64 bit kernel, get the 32bit compat environment running, then get the basic libs etc to 64bit, then change the arch of all your packages12:44
SwedeMikeunless you REALLY need to do this, I'd recommend doing a re-install12:44
hanshenriki really cant12:45
hanshenrikthe AMD64 setup hangs for a while, then goes in an endless loop complaining about "CPU #5" (its a quad)12:45
hanshenrik(while i dont got that problem in the 86 or win7-64)12:45
SwedeMikehanshenrik: well, if the amd64 kernel does that then that'd most likely happen when you booted the amd64 kernel as well12:47
SwedeMikeamd64 install kernel, I mean12:47
hanshenrikbtw wanna tell some background here, i bought a expensive new laptop (with very new & modern hardware), and no problems at all in Win7 64, but on ubuntu (9.10), it cant use my WLAN card, it cant use the 64-bit setup, it cant access all my ram (due to having to use 32-bit), i have installed all the proposed hardware-drivers in system->administration->hardware drivers, still not working. also...12:53
hanshenrik...ubuntu fails to start like 50%++ of the time (most of the time it just "hangs with that white icon until i pull the plug") ..  and #ubuntu was of no help (well except going to a kernel with PAE enabled for all ram), its a long shot but i hope that lucid got better hardware support for my laptop, and if that doesn't work, im sticking with win7 a while :p12:53
SwedeMikehanshenrik: well, try lucid on a USB stick first and see if it works, if it does, joy, if not, well, then you know that.12:56
hanshenriki dont got a usb stick (well i got a 1 GB one somewhere that i cant find, but i guess the lucid builds are bigger)12:57
SwedeMikeyou can boot off a live cd as well12:58
SwedeMikejust burn the installer and see if it boots12:59
hanshenrikthat sounds like an idea!  - umm where can i get a recent lucid build live-cd? (or do i have to compile it myself or something? :()12:59
SwedeMikehanshenrik: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-1/13:01
hanshenrikthanks13:01
zikalifyhi13:06
zikalifycould someone suggest they replace GIMP with rgbPaint because it is very simple and does most things MS paint does13:07
SwedeMikezikalify: rgbpaint seems to be available in 9.04 anyway, have you checked that it's been going away?13:08
SwedeMikeotherwise I'm sure it'll be available13:09
arandSwedeMike: I'm guessing he/she means "in default install", right zikalify?13:12
BUGabundo_workhanshenrik: u can use all your RAM with 32Bits13:26
BUGabundo_workjust needto use teh PAE kernel13:27
BUGabundo_workbut a clean install is the easyest way to change13:27
BUGabundo_workexport all your apps list with dselect13:27
BUGabundo_workand the reput them back after install13:27
BUGabundo_workSwedeMike: thats a old link. better dive daily13:27
BUGabundo_work!daiy13:27
hanshenrikno need, i installed ubuntu today, and i got nothing important :p13:27
BUGabundo_work!daily13:28
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/13:28
BluesKajHowdy13:29
BUGabundo_workhey BluesKaj13:30
BluesKajhi BUGabundo_work13:30
hanshenrikbtw funny project, i've download the source to update-manager,, gonna try to force it to believe im 64-bit, run it in sudo update-manager -d, let it go to hell, then ill re-install ^.^  sounds fun  (got nothing i will miss in this system-setup)13:33
BUGabundo_workanyone knows where i can find KDE icon pack repo?13:33
BUGabundo_workhanshenrik: or an huge mess13:33
BUGabundo_workask in #ubuntu-kernel13:33
BluesKajI'm still having probs with lucid taking forever to load the properties box on some files as well as having to login twice every bootup13:33
JMFTheVCII can only get GDM to run after a boot to safe mode. Anyone else seeing this. Also I get a message "cannot connect to plymouth" at boot? Is this common as well?13:34
hanshenriki think #ubuntu-kernel is a invite-only channel, right?13:34
BluesKajBUGabundo_work, try www.kde-look.org13:34
hanshenrikoh, nvm it isnt13:34
arandhanshenrik: I think even if you install a 64bit u-m, that won't make it pull in 64bit updates..13:34
BUGabundo_workBluesKaj: down13:35
BluesKajhmm, wonder what happened there13:36
hanshenrikarand: no im not, i have downloaded the source-code, im gonna built it in 32-bit (tho i dont think it would make a diffrence if i compile it with gcc -march=64 or gcc -march=32.. may be wrong tho), but build it to believe that it's running 64-bit no matter what, so it will try to update to lucid-lynx 64-bit when i run "sudo update-manager -d" :p (this problably just ends up as a big fail...13:37
hanshenrik...but, i think it will be a good time-waster)13:37
BluesKajBUGabundo_work, most of kde sites seem to be down :(13:40
zikalifyyes i meant default install of rgbpaint for 10.04 to replace gimp bcus they said they wanted an easier to use paint program13:40
arandzikalify: I think they're ignoring the "MSpaint" equivalent completely, F-spot in for simple photo-editing...13:42
hanshenrikupdate-manager is actually made in python???13:42
BUGabundo_workhanshenrik: yes13:43
hanshenrikthats new, thought just about everything that ships with ubuntu was C/c++ :p13:44
zikalifykk13:44
arandzikalify: but any complaints to that should go on the discussion part of the blueprint whiteboard afaik: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-default-apps13:46
BUGabundo_workc/c++ ? lolol13:49
bjsniderpython is very popular for whatever reason13:50
BUGabundo_workaround 50% of the desktop tools in Ubuntu are python this days13:50
Oli```Because Python is awesome.14:38
BUGabundo_workcough14:40
jordanwbA few days ago the topic for this channel mentionned that gnome packages would be held back till a package was updated. Was that package updated?14:43
soeehi15:07
edgy_Hi, I used usb-creator to install lucid cd iso on a usb flash and when I do dist-upgrade from the stick, it complains no free space though the flash is 4G15:39
BUGabundo_workedgy_: usb-creator doesnt "install" in the pen drive15:39
BUGabundo_workjust copies the CD image and makes it bootable15:39
BUGabundo_workits "just" a live, discartable system15:40
edgy_BUGabundo_work: you mean every thing I install would go to RAM?15:40
BUGabundo_worku "shouldnt" make upgrades on it15:40
BUGabundo_workcause they are going to be discarted on boot15:40
BUGabundo_workedgy_: well yeah, kinda15:40
edgy_BUGabundo_work: I remember I did a persistent install before but don't remember how now15:40
BUGabundo_workuntil u install it "for real" in your system15:40
BUGabundo_workwell usb-creator has an option for that15:41
BUGabundo_workbut i havent manage to get it to work with 9.1015:41
edgy_BUGabundo_work: ah ok I will try that and report back, thanks a lot15:41
BUGabundo_workstill 4GiBs is not _much_ to fit all system + upgrades15:41
BUGabundo_workif u find a working way to make a system install in the pen, without messing with hard disk system let me know15:42
BUGabundo_worki broke and had to repair a laptop this weekend while trying that15:42
BUGabundo_workto use a lucid livecd and install it on the pendrive as a disk15:42
BUGabundo_workbut the grub didnt like that very much. even after i told it to install in the pendrive, it would not boot, and messed the HD grub :((15:43
BUGabundo_workplus it will not install in ext2 and requires SWAP15:43
om26eri want to install plymouth without libdrm-nouveau1 is it possible?15:43
BUGabundo_workwhy would i want swap on a FLASH device, beats me15:43
* BUGabundo_work returns to silence15:44
* om26er don't use nvidia15:44
soeecan u tell me pls how many problems can i expect when i upgrade do 10.04 a1, is it much crashy or atm?15:45
BUGabundo_worksoee: X is broken15:46
BUGabundo_workKDE is a bit of a mess15:46
BUGabundo_workaudio is spot as usual15:46
soeebut tehre is KDE 4.4 b4 now right ?15:46
soee*b215:46
hifiaptitude just broke15:46
BUGabundo_workeither try a livecd/usb, or make backups and join the fun15:46
BUGabundo_workhifi: LOL15:46
soeenah i think ill stay with 9.10 till rc115:47
hifihttp://pastey.net/130533-1p4p15:47
BUGabundo_worksoee: LOLOLOL15:47
hifiwhat the heck just happened15:47
BUGabundo_workso why are u asking so soon?15:47
BUGabundo_workeither u got what it takes to join the wagon, or dont complain after release, your stuff doesnt work15:48
BUGabundo_workhifi: thats serious15:48
BUGabundo_workjump to #ubuntu-dev and get someone to look into it15:48
hifiapt-get works fine15:48
BUGabundo_workis devicekit broken?16:24
BUGabundo_workanything on ExtFS will not mount as userland16:24
BUGabundo_workjust root16:24
BUGabundo_workand even when it does, like in fat16:24
BUGabundo_workif u try to delete something, system goes to RO16:24
BUGabundo_workhappens in both lucid and debian unstable16:25
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crimsunwho has an Analog Devices HDA codec?16:28
BUGabundo_worki think i do16:31
BUGabundo_workbut not "here"16:31
BUGabundo_workat home16:31
crimsunBUGabundo_work: ok, let me know. I have some powerdown fixes for those codecs that I need testing.16:37
BUGabundo_workcrimsun: like having it startup with the volume it was when i shutdown?16:52
BUGabundo_workcause having it MUTEd every time is a bit sucky16:52
crimsunBUGabundo_work: no, that's unrelated16:52
BUGabundo_workeheh16:52
crimsunBUGabundo_work: is that box running lucid or karmic?16:52
BUGabundo_workwell LCD bright is worse16:52
BUGabundo_workit keeps reseting to some "strange" value16:53
BUGabundo_workmy laptop runs +1 (everytime)16:53
BUGabundo_workeven this work PC runs debian unstable16:53
BUGabundo_work:)16:53
crimsunthat's some crazy PA stream (re)store race16:53
crimsunI haven't dug into it very deep yet, been busy chasing other driver bugs16:53
BUGabundo_workcrimsun: not critical... but it can get some users by surprise... sure does to me some times, until i remember to unmute16:56
arandHmm, aptitude crash, that's interesting...17:55
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BUGabundo_workarand: worse18:00
BUGabundo_workapt db exposed18:00
BUGabundo_workwheres mvo when one needs him18:00
arandhmm? Well, seems apt-get works though...18:01
arandRecent updates to apt... blame-able I guess..18:01
BUGabundo_workwell i wont be upgrading apt then18:06
apocolipseHi, are there any methods for doing wubi install of Lucid alpha ?18:10
macoget wubi then hand it an iso?18:10
macowubi is only included on desktop isos and those dont usually happen til alpha218:11
macobut you can download wubi from teh internet separately18:11
arandBUGabundo_work: Do we have a bug report on that yet?18:11
BUGabundo_worknot my crash18:11
BUGabundo_workask him18:11
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* BluesKaj still wonders why Lucid needs 2 logins ay bootup18:42
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sebsebsebhi20:10
yoasifanyone seeing this? http://pastebin.com/m3672da8a20:23
BluesKajyoasif, using aptitude ..got the same thing ..better update with apt ..looks like aptitude is broken20:31
yoasifBluesKaj, bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/49954320:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 499543 in apt "recent apt upgrade crashes aptitude" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:31
arandyoasif: Yea, I reported a while ago, do fill in if I missed something.20:32
BluesKajyoasif, did your run command disappear too (alt+f2) ?20:32
yoasifBluesKaj, that happened to me a while ago, recent updates fixed that though20:32
BluesKajhmm, I just updated a few mins ago , it's still not fixed20:33
yoasifBluesKaj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/49205720:33
ubottuUbuntu bug 492057 in gnome-panel "gnome panel segfaults when clicking on main menu" [Medium,Invalid]20:33
yoasifthey marked it as invalid, but i think it should be confirmed :P20:33
BluesKajyoasif, , running kde 4.4 here , may that could be part of the the problem20:34
yoasifahh20:34
yoasifim running gnome, so i dont know... fairly sure it's a real bug20:34
yoasifbut it's hard to diagnose20:34
yoasifoh!20:34
yoasiftry a new user account20:34
BluesKajit's default with kubuntulucid20:34
yoasifit disappeared for me when i tried that20:34
BluesKajand the double login as well :P20:35
BluesKajbbiab , gotta check the postbox20:37
yoasifkk20:38
benstehi, where can I file a bug against the grafical installer - what's the name of the package ?20:39
yoasifi believe it is ubiquity20:40
yoasifmaybe ubiquity-gtk20:40
yoasifdo a search20:40
bensteyoasif: should I use ubuntu-bug ubiquity if the system is installed or is thewre a way to do this from another machien ?20:41
yoasifbenste, what is the error?20:41
benstethe "next" button is always colored as it would have been already pressed - thought the system freezed but i just had to click again20:42
bensteguess this is a real minor bug but it's annoying20:42
yoasifbenste, you are in the livecd?20:42
bensteno I've just finished installation from live cd20:43
benstealpha 120:43
yoasifah, for something like that, it may already be filed -- you should check to see if it exists in the daily live cds20:43
yoasifand it's not going to help if you aren't in the live env20:43
bensteyoasif: Is there a way to get the daily live as torrent - downloading the whole image would cost me arround 1/2 day :-)20:44
benstemy NAS could do if i'd have a torrent20:44
yoasifbenste, you can you can use rsync :/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage20:45
yoasifso it only updates what has changed20:45
yoasifnot sure about torrents20:45
benstehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/20:46
benstedoesn't have any torrents20:46
bensteso I'll have to take a look at rsync20:46
benste:-)20:46
BluesKajyeah, normally ubuquity uninstalls itself after the OS install almost done20:46
benstedoes so of you have 3 mins and the daily live ?20:48
BluesKaj??20:49
benstenp I'll try zsync or rsync later :-)20:51
BluesKajI'm talking about a clean install from the live cd20:51
BluesKajnm... guess i missed the point20:52
bensteyoasif looks like zsync is really easy, only installing and starting from CLI with zsync <downloaded file>20:55
darthanubisubiquity fails upon trying to partition the hard drive21:20
darthanubisor alter partitions already present21:21
BluesKajuhoh21:22
BluesKajbut that's why I use gparted to partition everything first , before an install21:23
benstedoes so know if daily live is broken? - I can't enter the gui , the image is ok21:28
BluesKajbenste, using aptitude , if so it's broken , apt is the way to update/upgrade now21:32
bensteBluesKaj: you know that I'm testing daily live cause of an ubiquity issue ? :-)21:35
benstechekcing cd for defects does end up in file or dir not found so i guess ISO is broken21:36
bensteI'll try again tomorrow21:36
BUGabundoboas o/21:56
BUGabundocrimsun: ping I'm back home if you need further tests21:56
crimsunBUGabundo: can you verify that you have an AD HDA codec on the desired Lucid machine?22:02
BUGabundosure22:02
BUGabundohow do I need to run to make sure?22:02
BUGabundocrimsun: ^^^22:02
crimsunBUGabundo: grep Realtek /proc/asound/card*/codec*22:03
BUGabundocrimsun: /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Realtek ALC88322:03
crimsunexcellent22:03
crimsunlet me get you a git changeset right quick...22:03
macocrimsun: you been hanging around akgraner? your southerner's comin out22:04
BUGabundowhy don't I feel so good, all of the sudden !?22:04
BUGabundomaco LOLOLOL22:04
crimsunBUGabundo: you'll need to grab http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-20091219.tar.bz2 , too22:04
BUGabundonow I want to know how akgraner sounds too22:04
akgranermaco, :-P22:04
BUGabundoakgraner:  ***22:04
akgranersouthern...just sayin'22:04
BUGabundocrimsun: step by step... baby steps :)22:05
crimsunmaco: what?22:05
macocrimsun: "right quick"22:05
BUGabundomy sound is just *perfect* right now :\22:05
macothat was so north carolina22:05
akgranercrimsun, "right quick".....22:05
crimsunno it isn't22:05
crimsunpeople from all over say "right quick"22:05
maco...from all over the south22:05
akgranercrimsun, that they do..:-)22:06
crimsunit isn't a southern thAng22:06
BluesKajis there a substitute for the run command (alt+f2) ? , mine has disappeared22:06
bjsnidercrimsun, you never did answer my question in the other channel about whether it's ok to destroy a userland config file during a package install/upgrade22:06
macoBluesKaj: panel not running?22:06
BluesKajpanel is fine . no alt+f222:07
crimsunbjsnider: I'm pretty busy (and was pretty busy), so sorry for leaving you in the lurch22:07
macokde or gnome? cuz alt+f2 is built into the gnome-panel on gnome22:07
bjsniderno rush22:07
BluesKajmaco, tried openbox . but it fails to launch as well22:07
crimsunbjsnider: the short answer is that I don't know enough about that problem domain. In general, it's unacceptable to do so.22:07
BluesKajkde22:07
macothats krunner then22:07
macosee if itll start from a terminal, maybe?22:08
BluesKajkrunner fials in the terminal ...errors galore22:09
BluesKajfails22:09
bjsnidercrimsun, using pulseaudio as an example, would you deliberately destroy the ~/.pulse directory if it would help matters during a pulse upgrade?22:09
macoBluesKaj: bug report time?22:09
crimsunbjsnider: I would have already done that if it were acceptable, but then again I *know* this problem domain22:09
crimsunbjsnider: gconf tomfoolery, not so much22:09
slacker_nlgrrrrr22:09
macobjsnider: how would you ensure that *every* user's config is destroyed?22:09
slacker_nli thought I understood pinning22:10
slacker_nlnow the thing won't pin apt for me22:10
bjsnideryou mean you haven't done it only because it would cross a line?22:10
macobjsnider: particularly when other users may have encrypted home directories, and thus you cant delete their dot files unless theyre logged in at the time?22:10
crimsunbjsnider: doing so is unacceptable both technically and Policy-wise22:10
BluesKajmaco, possibly , I guess I'm thinking I caused it somehow and that there's a quickfix :P22:10
bjsnidermaco, easy as pie. you write a preinst script that contains rm -rf type instructions22:11
BUGabundois apt fixed?22:11
BUGabundoI've it pinned down22:11
BUGabundoso it won't uppgrade22:11
macobjsnider: but if my user is not logged in and i have encrypted ~, you *cant* find my ~/.pulse to delete it in your package script22:11
slacker_nlBUGabundo: how'd you do that?22:11
slacker_nlBUGabundo: it seems to ignore my pinning :/22:12
BluesKajBUGabundo, apt seems ok , aptitude not so good22:12
slacker_nlBluesKaj: aptitude works when apt is downgraded22:12
BUGabundoslacker_nl: aptitude hold apt apt-utils22:12
BUGabundo:DDD22:12
bjsnidermaco, that's ok. i can only do what i can do. if it's impossible that's a different issue. i as the packager cannot be blamed for the config file not being blown away in that case22:12
* BUGabundo aptitude ROCKZ22:12
slacker_nlBUGabundo: ahh k :)22:12
BluesKajslacker_nl, downgraded ?22:12
macobjsnider: but thisd mean "interesting" results, user-dependent, and thatd be rather bad22:13
macoand like crimsun says...policy-wise...dont touch /home/*22:13
bjsnidermaco, but right now the file is not being wiped out at all. wiping some of them out is better than none22:13
macoi disagree. that means inconsistent results22:14
macoconsistency is rather important22:14
bjsnidermaco, what happens when the new package does not behave as intended simply because this userland file is stopping it?22:14
slacker_nlBluesKaj: yes22:14
slacker_nlBUGabundo: http://pb.opperschaap.net/13422:15
macobjsnider: the software itself can modify dotfiles on first run, but the package maintainer scripts should not touch them22:15
crimsuns/should/must/22:16
slacker_nlBluesKaj: apt-get install --reinstall apt=<version>22:16
bjsnidermaco, on first run of a new version, or on first run as in the first time it is installed?22:17
macobjsnider: the first time that user runs that software. either of those is possible22:17
macoit is common to check "does a config exist? if not, create it" when its the first time thta user has ever run that software22:18
bjsniderwhat if the config file does not normally exist22:18
macoin this case, youd want the software to check "does a config exist? if not, create it. if so, but its an old format, upgrade it"22:18
bjsnidereven after the software is run22:18
BluesKajslacker_nl,  nm , I'll just use apt for now , I'm more concerned about the "run command" , I rely on it a lot22:18
crimsunBUGabundo: have you downloaded the daily tarball?22:18
BUGabundoyes22:18
crimsunBUGabundo: ok, now you'll need the patches in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/powerdown-analog/22:18
BUGabundocrimsun: both ?22:19
BUGabundodone22:19
macobjsnider: if it doesnt normally have a config file, then what is it that youd be deleting?22:19
bjsnidermaco, check and see if you have this file: ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml22:20
macobjsnider: i do22:20
crimsunBUGabundo: now please extract the daily tarball, then apply both patches22:20
macono idea what it does (or rather, what it *would do* if i used gnome)22:20
slacker_nlBluesKaj: I'm on Debian again, lucid hasn't been my best friend22:21
BUGabundocrimsun: how?22:21
crimsunBUGabundo: I presume you can extract the tarball yourself22:22
BUGabundodone22:22
BUGabundolol22:22
BluesKajslacker_nl, I'm afraid to admit that I'm beginning to have second thoughts myself :P22:24
crimsunBUGabundo: cd alsa-driver && patch -p1 < /wherever/you/downloaded/0001.. && patch -p1 < /wherever/you/downloaded/000222:24
bjsnidermaco, at some point, you changed the properties of the wallpaper on your system so it did not match the xml files in /usr/share/gnome-background-properties22:25
macobjsnider: would that include adding more backgrounds to the appearances thingy?22:25
bjsniderwhen you did, that file was created22:25
bjsnidermaco, no22:25
bjsniderwell, yes22:26
BUGabundocrimsun: its taking a while22:26
macobjsnider: so if you delete that, people's custom backgrounds all have to be manually re-added?22:26
bjsnidermaco, yes22:26
crimsunBUGabundo: what is?22:26
bjsniderbut22:26
BluesKajgonna switch to the laptop ..stretch out in the easy chair for a bit ...bbinafew22:26
BUGabundocrimsun: the patch apply22:26
crimsunBUGabundo: it should be instantaneous22:26
BUGabundonope22:26
macobjsnider: this sounds like it goes into the "would annoy users" category22:27
crimsunBUGabundo: you omitted the redirection, probably22:27
BUGabundocrimsun: /audio/alsa-driver$ patch -p1 0001-ALSA-hda-Add-powerdown-noise-fixes-for-Analog-Device.patch22:27
crimsunright22:27
BUGabundoits just there.. stuck22:27
BUGabundooops22:27
macoBUGabundo: the redirect...is missing22:27
BUGabundosorry22:27
bjsniderif i release an updated wallpapers package that has changed settings for the existing images, they will nto take effect because that file overrides the system-wide xml files in gnome22:27
BUGabundocrimsun: patching file sound/pci/hda/patch_analog.c22:27
BUGabundodone22:27
BUGabundoboth22:27
crimsunBUGabundo: good, now: ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make -j322:30
DanaGweird... if I have nothing connected to ttyS0, yet have a getty on it... my syslog gets spammed with "ttyS0 terminated with status 1".22:30
BUGabundothere goes my sound :D22:30
BUGabundocrimsun: finito22:32
crimsunBUGabundo: sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound22:32
crimsunBUGabundo: afterward, reboot22:32
BUGabundoreboot?22:33
BUGabundobut I never reboot !!!22:33
crimsunyes, you need to hard-reset your HDA codec22:33
BUGabundoWARNING!!! The mixer channels for the ALSA driver are muted by default!!!22:33
BUGabundo**************************************************************************22:33
BUGabundoYou would use some ALSA or OSS mixer to set the appropriate volume.22:33
crimsunyou can safely ignore that22:33
BUGabundookay22:33
BUGabundobrb in 222:33
BUGabundo_I hope_22:34
crimsunjeez, I think I put that in about six years ago22:34
maco*snort*22:34
BUGabundoLOL22:34
crimsunno, sorry, ten years ago22:34
BUGabundocrimsun: eta 2m 2s22:34
BUGabundoso just a bit longer while this finish up22:35
BUGabundocrimsun: 10y ??22:35
BUGabundoman, we are old :\22:35
bjsnidercrimsun, you've been hacking on alsa for 10 years?22:35
crimsunyes.22:35
bjsnideralsa itself has been around for 10 years?22:35
crimsunlonger22:35
BUGabundobjsnider: assuming he did that just after he started hackign it :D22:35
crimsunI was doing OSS before that22:35
bjsniderwell, it's time to scrap it and get something better in there22:36
BUGabundobjsnider: LOL22:36
bjsnideri had to say it22:36
bjsnideri mean this is linux22:36
BUGabundoreboot22:38
BUGabundocrimsun: [   10.206294] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22)22:44
BUGabundoand no sound22:44
BUGabundoat least its not muted :D22:44
crimsunhmm22:45
BUGabundoalso got this22:45
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/344985/22:45
BUGabundonot sure its related22:45
BUGabundocrimsun: need full syslog?22:45
lifedevilanyone else had this issue with 10.04, mountall: could not connect to plymouth on boot up then blackscreen22:45
crimsunbugfull dmesg22:46
crimsunfriggin irssi22:46
BUGabundocrimsun: $ dmesg  | pastebinit22:47
BUGabundohttp://pastebin.com/f66ae41c322:47
BUGabundocrimsun: can I now have my sound back again !? :p22:47
crimsunsec22:48
crimsunhmm, you're getting an EINVAL22:51
crimsunthat's quite odd, because my code doesn't touch it22:51
DanaGhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223922:51
ubottuFreedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New]22:51
DanaGthat's the issue I have.22:51
BUGabundocrimsun: my system is pretty standrd22:52
crimsunBUGabundo: ok, let's see if today's snap works without my changes22:53
BUGabundook22:53
BUGabundocause I would like to watch my tv shows :P22:53
crimsunBUGabundo: extract the tarball to a new directory and compile it using the same configure parameters, but *don't* apply my two patches beforehand22:54
BUGabundocompliling22:55
crimsunBUGabundo: and afterward, the same make install, rm, reboot procedure22:56
BUGabundoALSA modules were successfully compiled.22:56
BUGabundo$ sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound22:57
crimsunyes22:57
BUGabundoit was faster this time22:57
BUGabundorebooting22:57
BUGabundocrimsun:  dmesg | pastebinit23:00
BUGabundohttp://pastebin.com/f5677fbcd23:00
BUGabundo$ dmesg | grep codec23:00
BUGabundo[   18.732876] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22)23:00
BUGabundono sound yet :((23:00
crimsunswtee23:00
BUGabundodidn't see the warning on boot, like last time23:01
crimsunok, so it isn't my code. Not that I thought it could have been.23:01
BUGabundobut did see something about plymouth23:01
crimsunBUGabundo: ok, let's back up to 1.0.21, then23:01
crimsun(the daily snapshot is slightly newer than 1.0.22)23:01
BUGabundofine by me23:02
BUGabundoas long as I can put mplayer to work23:02
crimsunBUGabundo: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz223:03
BUGabundo2009-12-22 23:03:52 (358 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2' saved [3112563]23:03
crimsunoh blah, 1.0.21 is too old23:04
BUGabundoLOLOLOL23:04
crimsunwe don't have the reboot callback in 21, sigh23:04
BUGabundoglad I have "unlimited" bw23:04
BUGabundocrimsun: archive or ppa then ?23:04
crimsunBUGabundo: no, just download 1.0.2223:05
BUGabundofrom ftp ?23:05
crimsun(change "21" to "22" in the url)23:05
BUGabundo    [            <=>                                                                                                     ] 1,058,536    403K/s23:05
BUGabundo2009-12-22 23:05:30 (430 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2.1' saved [3112563]23:05
crimsun1.0.22, not 1.0.2123:05
BUGabundolol23:06
BUGabundono idea how i missed that23:06
BUGabundoat this hours, I can barelly keep my eyes open :(23:06
BUGabundo2009-12-22 23:06:26 (421 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.22.tar.bz2' saved [3198841]23:06
BUGabundocrimsun: same stuff ?23:07
BUGabundocompile and install ?23:07
crimsunBUGabundo: yes, first test *without* my patches23:07
BUGabundoare you planing two more reboots !? :(23:08
crimsunyes23:08
cwillu_cloneIs there a way to compile just a single module out of the tree against the installed headers?  I'm trying to patch a single driver, and have little interest in compiling the whole kernel :p23:08
crimsunthat's just the way it is, unfortunately. I have to live with your codec's constraints.23:08
RAOFcwillu_clone: Yes, absolutely.  Check out, for example, the nouveau-kernel-source package, which does exactly that.23:09
BUGabundocrimsun: that's plain evil :p23:09
crimsunBUGabundo: don't buy Realtek, then23:09
BUGabundoehe23:09
crimsunsorry, but all HDA codecs suck like that.23:09
BUGabundoits onboard23:09
BUGabundonot much choice there23:09
BUGabundocrimsun: brb23:11
BUGabundocrimsun: guess what23:14
BUGabundono sound23:14
crimsunsame error?23:14
BUGabundo$ dmesg | grep codec23:14
BUGabundo[   18.970120] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22)23:14
BUGabundo$ dmesg | pastebinit23:14
BUGabundohttp://pastebin.com/f2293d54923:14
crimsunsigh, awesome.23:14
BUGabundoassuming dmesg aint posting from past boot, yes23:14
crimsunlet's see, no MSI?23:14
BUGabundo:)23:15
BUGabundoasustek23:15
cwillu_cloneRAOF, as far as I can tell, making that package required an expert level understanding of how things are assembled.  Is that really the best example?23:15
BUGabundoOEM umbranded23:15
RAOFcwillu_clone: Well, maybe :)23:15
crimsunBUGabundo: sorry, no, I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Signaled_Interrupts23:15
crimsunBUGabundo: lots of motherboards and bioses are broken WRT MSI23:16
BUGabundocrimsun: now patching and do it again ?23:16
crimsunBUGabundo: not yet, just a sec23:16
BUGabundoFYI sound was perfect before this :\23:16
BUGabundookay23:16
* BUGabundo returns to RSS reading23:16
RAOFcwillu_clone: You could also see alsa-source, I think.  If the module is cooperative, it can be quite easy.23:16
cwillu_cloneIt's a little odd that it's easier to patch an nvidia kernel module's source against a running kernel than it is to patch an in-tree driver's source :p23:16
BUGabundoI would say to ping me, but no audio, so I can't be alerted :\23:17
* cwillu_clone pings BUGabundo 23:17
crimsunBUGabundo: can you append enable_msi=0 to the options snd-hda-intel line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, then reboot?23:17
BUGabundosure23:17
BUGabundo# Power down HDA controllers after 10 idle seconds23:17
BUGabundooptions snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N enable_msi=023:17
crimsunyep23:17
cwillu_clonehmm23:19
BUGabundocrimsun: done23:19
BUGabundoreboot ?23:19
cwillu_cloneRAOF, assuming that alsa-source contains the driver in question, do I just need to include the patch in debian/patches?23:20
crimsunBUGabundo: yes23:20
crimsuncwillu_clone: which patch?23:21
cwillu_clonecrimsun, theoretically adding support for an m-audio device23:21
* cwillu_clone looks for the url23:22
crimsuncwillu_clone: just grab the 1.0.21 tarball and apply it to alsa-kernel/usb/23:22
crimsuncwillu_clone: no point in messing with alsa-source and m-a at this point23:22
cwillu_cloneI think that leaves me at my first question :p23:23
crimsunwhy? You're just compiling ALSA23:23
crimsunon a decently fast system, that takes one minute or less.23:24
cwillu_clonealthough I hadn't realized that it was actually an alsa related thing originally23:24
cwillu_cloneusbaudio.c <- alsa's territory?23:24
crimsunyes.23:24
crimsun--with-cards=usb-audio23:25
cwillu_clonecrimsun, thanks23:29
* cwillu_clone knows who to bug now :)23:29
j_ackcwillu_clone, do you use an m-audio usb-Card?23:30
cwillu_clonej_ack, no, but I play one on tv23:30
cwillu_cloneI mean, yes23:30
cwillu_clonewell, no, but I want to23:31
BluesKajnow both lucid boxes have no 'run command'23:31
j_ackcwillu_clone, what´s the name of these card23:31
cwillu_clonefast truck ultra23:31
cwillu_clonetrack23:31
* cwillu_clone patiently waits for a compile23:36
bjsnidercwillu_clone, what is hard about patching an in-tree driver?23:38
cwillu_clonebjsnider, compiling just the driver against the running kernel23:38
crimsunbjsnider: what's hard? You have to build the entire base kernel to get symbols for resolution23:39
bjsnidernot with the blob23:39
RAOFBecause it's build system is designed for out-of-tree work.23:40
bjsnideryeah. ain't it great?23:40
RAOFWell, not really; it breaks nearly every major kernel version.23:40
* cwillu_clone sighs23:43
cwillu_clonewhat is it that restarts pulseaudio?23:43
RAOFpulseaudio -k ?23:44
cwillu_clonetry it23:44
RAOFThat'll kill it, and it'll presumably get respawned pretty quickly.23:44
cwillu_cloneindeed23:44
cwillu_clonehence my question23:44
* cwillu_clone huggles RAOF23:45
* BUGabundo pokes cwillu23:45
* cwillu_clone eyes BUGabundo suspiciously23:45
cwillu_cloneit's not gnome-session or gnome-settings-daemon23:46
RAOFOh, right.23:47
RAOFNo, it's autospawned whenever something tries to play sound or query pulseaudio.23:47
cwillu_cloneugh, really?23:47
RAOFYes; you can disable this in ~/.pulseaudio.conf or something.23:48
cwillu_clonetoo much magic :/23:50
crimsun~/.pulse/client.conf23:52
crimsunI've blogged about it before!23:52
cwillu_cloneI just chmod a-x `which pulseaudio23:53
cwillu_cloneand then rmmod'd 18 different modules23:53
cwillu_cloneyay, I've compiled alsa :p23:54
* cwillu_clone applies patches and recompiles23:59

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