[00:19] i_is_broke: what update? I've done a lot of updates recently. [00:28] crimsun, sorry was working on the grandbabies christmas presents...and was referring to anything for karmic. [00:30] i_is_broke: I've uploaded a bunch of stuff; lucid-changes@ has them listed [00:30] crimsun, well i havent had any for lucid, how long ago did you upload them? [00:31] about 13 hours ago was the last [00:31] and just a few for karmic. [00:31] been at work all day, etc., etc. [00:31] alsa-lib is in karmic-proposed [00:31] yeah that was the one. [00:32] well there was a couple i think. [00:32] but i havent seen anything for lucid,and i just did an update too. [00:33] crimsun, does alsa 1.0.22 contain any improvements for my sound card? [00:33] bjsnider: I don't know what your sound card is. [00:34] crimsun, i removed pulseaudio 2 years ago because i heard what i thought was a blip and now i need your help to put it back [00:35] just kidding [00:35] i'm trying to ask the types of questions you usually get in here [00:36] the sad part as i have heard people say that more then once.lol [00:36] how about this one [00:36] i got angry and hacked my sound card up with a jacknife and now i need your help to fix it [00:37] now when i was running slack instead of ubuntu, i did change out my sound card cause it didnt have the performance i wanted. [00:38] and of course it was easier to put a sound card in the ask any of them for help, cause of course if your new your stupid, and they dont waste time with stupid people. [00:40] well back to the grandbabies christmas presents...1 down 2 to go...yeah..:D [01:01] I have a java authentication popup window that won't accept input. nor will it close... I have to 'kill' it. [01:02] 8.04 - java 6 from the repos. [01:03] accessing a java applet in Firefox3. [01:19] o/ all [01:23] I have an nvidia card and this seems to work (although I read something about the nv driver not working) - how can I check what driver am I using? [01:23] grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log [01:25] it says that it loaded 3 drivers (nv, vesa, fbdev) and then unloaded vesa and fbdev, so I guess I'm using the nv one [01:27] oh, when I tried to enter to IRC on empathy, the IRC option doesn't appear among the first use new account wizard [01:29] You might not have telepathy-idle installed? [01:29] isn't xorg server 1.7 supposed to have MPX? how can I enable that? === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [01:54] Hmm, I'm having a more-than-slight problem after apt-get dist-upgrading on Lucid [01:54] For some reason, dpkg err'd out. Something to do with brasero and removing a file. [01:54] So, I aptitude -f'd. That removed.. what, dkms and the kernel. Then I dist-upgraded again. [01:55] Rebooted, got a segfault at the beginning (that was from Xorg, I believe), it continued booting to terminal. [01:55] I'm at terminal, I can't install the needed nvidia drivers (that somehow got removed) without removing Xorg and ubuntu-desktop. [01:56] And apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove all the kernels, udev, xorg, and other packages along with it. [01:58] Hellow: There isn't a version of the nvidia blob in the archives that works with our X server; you can't install nvidia-glx at the moment. [01:59] RAOF: Should I switch xorg.conf to nv? [01:59] (I guess yes) [01:59] Or simply remove xorg.conf [01:59] There isn't one :P. [01:59] In which case, yay. [02:00] Xorg segfaulted at boot over not having a nvidia module. [02:00] Hellow: what about installing them manually? [02:01] Also, when logging in at terminal, I get a error where the MOTD should be: "run-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade exited with return code 1" [02:04] Hmm. Aptitude removed some python packages, and /etc/update.d/91-release-upgrade is a python script. I'll try reinstalling those packages. [02:12] Hmm, reinstalled all the packages aptitude removed, but it's still erroring. This is odd. [02:14] hi [02:14] currently I'm getting this: http://pastebin.ca/1723194 [02:14] I guess this is not correct [02:16] Huh, something about displaying at 75hz is something the drivers do not like. [02:22] RAOF, the 195 blob seems to work [02:37] bjsnider, That's in the repos? [02:38] Or self compile? [02:45] neither [02:45] ppa [02:46] Ah, just found a blog post on that. [02:46] Huh, "W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/thefirstm/karmic-testing/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found" [02:49] Hellow: that repository has no packages for Lucid, only Karmic [02:50] Oh [02:50] I'm guessing this, then: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa ? [02:51] I was just about to suggest the very same repository ;) [03:00] is there a problem with updates right now? [03:04] ck773: such as? [03:04] The 195 driver fixed my problem. [04:35] same problem with updates, it says my system does not contain the package ubuntu-desktop, but i verified i had it before running the update [04:36] then it says "The package ubuntu-desktop is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist" [05:09] meh, I'm bored. I'm gonna d/l the latest lucid daily iso, see if works, and then upgrade my karmic to lucid [06:36] ugh updated my hard ware a little on my production box now its giving me fits...just my luck..lol === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [07:08] dang now i got a bunch of updates for lucind..sheesh its like they hit all at once. [07:09] DanaG, wasnt it you that was having trouble with plymouth? === DanaG3 is now known as DanaG [07:48] yeah 62 updates and i still have x, must of got lucky..lmao [08:01] what sucks is i had to redownload the 9.10 and burn a cd cause the only one i had was the one for 9.10 release...and it was all funky trying to load. [08:01] oh well thats not for this channel anyways. === DanaG3 is now known as DanaG [09:37] Hmmm... I'm actually impressed how much the ati kms has improved with the latest lucid-daily iso. I think I'll upgrade to Lucid now. My biggest worry was that I wouldn't be able to play hd videos, and I accomplished that from the livecd [09:44] hmm... why does it want to remove xserver-xorg-input-wacom? I use a graphire3 as my main input. [11:26] morning [11:42] Is it possible to reverse a SSH connection, not in the port sense but so that the place I connected to (my desktop) could control the ssh client connecting to it (my phone)? [11:44] Oli```: you can do port forwarding, but this isn't really a #ubuntu+1 question. [11:44] Sorry! Thought I was in -uk [11:48] Somebody told me there was a package in ubuntu repo's to download lucid in a VM. Is this true or should I create a image myself? [11:50] h4writer: not that i know of [11:50] at least not in the archive [11:51] there's a *very* old vmware image in cdimage h4writer [11:51] h4writer: but *all* images are LIVECDs so u have ZERO setup [11:51] http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/ [11:52] BUGabundo_work, Ty [11:53] BUGabundo_work, the link you gave me looks a bit outdated ? It goes to 7.10 only [11:54] [11:51] there's a *very* old vmware image in cdimage h4writer [11:54] ah lol, I get it :P [11:55] :) [12:34] is there a 64-bit repo for lucid? [12:36] hanshenrik: lucid is available in 64bit, yes. [12:38] i have a 32-bit setup, i wanna try update-manager -d to lucid, but i guess the update-manager will update to the 32-bit version of lucid, any way i can force the update manager to update to 64-bit instead? (and my cpu is 64-bit, intel core i7) [12:38] hanshenrik: you have to re-install to go from 32bit to 64bit [12:38] hmm.. kay [12:39] I have a nvidia 8400GS, X won't start for me as of at least 10 days, is this a known problem that will be fixed, or should I take some corrective action? (my xorg.conf is basically empty) [12:40] SwedeMike, what if i tried something hackish like replace the "/etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade" with a 64-bit equivalent? [12:43] hanshenrik: it won't work, you have to do other things. [12:43] hanshenrik: there are some guides for debian, I tried it, never got it to work. [12:43] hmm.. any idea what things? :p [12:44] ok [12:44] hanshenrik: basically you have to boot 64 bit kernel, get the 32bit compat environment running, then get the basic libs etc to 64bit, then change the arch of all your packages [12:44] unless you REALLY need to do this, I'd recommend doing a re-install [12:45] i really cant [12:45] the AMD64 setup hangs for a while, then goes in an endless loop complaining about "CPU #5" (its a quad) [12:45] (while i dont got that problem in the 86 or win7-64) [12:47] hanshenrik: well, if the amd64 kernel does that then that'd most likely happen when you booted the amd64 kernel as well [12:47] amd64 install kernel, I mean [12:53] btw wanna tell some background here, i bought a expensive new laptop (with very new & modern hardware), and no problems at all in Win7 64, but on ubuntu (9.10), it cant use my WLAN card, it cant use the 64-bit setup, it cant access all my ram (due to having to use 32-bit), i have installed all the proposed hardware-drivers in system->administration->hardware drivers, still not working. also... [12:53] ...ubuntu fails to start like 50%++ of the time (most of the time it just "hangs with that white icon until i pull the plug") .. and #ubuntu was of no help (well except going to a kernel with PAE enabled for all ram), its a long shot but i hope that lucid got better hardware support for my laptop, and if that doesn't work, im sticking with win7 a while :p [12:56] hanshenrik: well, try lucid on a USB stick first and see if it works, if it does, joy, if not, well, then you know that. [12:57] i dont got a usb stick (well i got a 1 GB one somewhere that i cant find, but i guess the lucid builds are bigger) [12:58] you can boot off a live cd as well [12:59] just burn the installer and see if it boots [12:59] that sounds like an idea! - umm where can i get a recent lucid build live-cd? (or do i have to compile it myself or something? :() [13:01] hanshenrik: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-1/ [13:01] thanks [13:06] hi [13:07] could someone suggest they replace GIMP with rgbPaint because it is very simple and does most things MS paint does [13:08] zikalify: rgbpaint seems to be available in 9.04 anyway, have you checked that it's been going away? [13:09] otherwise I'm sure it'll be available [13:12] SwedeMike: I'm guessing he/she means "in default install", right zikalify? [13:26] hanshenrik: u can use all your RAM with 32Bits [13:27] just needto use teh PAE kernel [13:27] but a clean install is the easyest way to change [13:27] export all your apps list with dselect [13:27] and the reput them back after install [13:27] SwedeMike: thats a old link. better dive daily [13:27] !daiy [13:27] no need, i installed ubuntu today, and i got nothing important :p [13:28] !daily [13:28] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [13:29] Howdy [13:30] hey BluesKaj [13:30] hi BUGabundo_work [13:33] btw funny project, i've download the source to update-manager,, gonna try to force it to believe im 64-bit, run it in sudo update-manager -d, let it go to hell, then ill re-install ^.^ sounds fun (got nothing i will miss in this system-setup) [13:33] anyone knows where i can find KDE icon pack repo? [13:33] hanshenrik: or an huge mess [13:33] ask in #ubuntu-kernel [13:33] I'm still having probs with lucid taking forever to load the properties box on some files as well as having to login twice every bootup [13:34] I can only get GDM to run after a boot to safe mode. Anyone else seeing this. Also I get a message "cannot connect to plymouth" at boot? Is this common as well? [13:34] i think #ubuntu-kernel is a invite-only channel, right? [13:34] BUGabundo_work, try www.kde-look.org [13:34] oh, nvm it isnt [13:34] hanshenrik: I think even if you install a 64bit u-m, that won't make it pull in 64bit updates.. [13:35] BluesKaj: down [13:36] hmm, wonder what happened there [13:37] arand: no im not, i have downloaded the source-code, im gonna built it in 32-bit (tho i dont think it would make a diffrence if i compile it with gcc -march=64 or gcc -march=32.. may be wrong tho), but build it to believe that it's running 64-bit no matter what, so it will try to update to lucid-lynx 64-bit when i run "sudo update-manager -d" :p (this problably just ends up as a big fail... [13:37] ...but, i think it will be a good time-waster) [13:40] BUGabundo_work, most of kde sites seem to be down :( [13:40] yes i meant default install of rgbpaint for 10.04 to replace gimp bcus they said they wanted an easier to use paint program [13:42] zikalify: I think they're ignoring the "MSpaint" equivalent completely, F-spot in for simple photo-editing... [13:42] update-manager is actually made in python??? [13:43] hanshenrik: yes [13:44] thats new, thought just about everything that ships with ubuntu was C/c++ :p [13:44] kk [13:46] zikalify: but any complaints to that should go on the discussion part of the blueprint whiteboard afaik: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-default-apps [13:49] c/c++ ? lolol [13:50] python is very popular for whatever reason [13:50] around 50% of the desktop tools in Ubuntu are python this days [14:38] Because Python is awesome. [14:40] cough [14:43] A few days ago the topic for this channel mentionned that gnome packages would be held back till a package was updated. Was that package updated? [15:07] hi [15:39] Hi, I used usb-creator to install lucid cd iso on a usb flash and when I do dist-upgrade from the stick, it complains no free space though the flash is 4G [15:39] edgy_: usb-creator doesnt "install" in the pen drive [15:39] just copies the CD image and makes it bootable [15:40] its "just" a live, discartable system [15:40] BUGabundo_work: you mean every thing I install would go to RAM? [15:40] u "shouldnt" make upgrades on it [15:40] cause they are going to be discarted on boot [15:40] edgy_: well yeah, kinda [15:40] BUGabundo_work: I remember I did a persistent install before but don't remember how now [15:40] until u install it "for real" in your system [15:41] well usb-creator has an option for that [15:41] but i havent manage to get it to work with 9.10 [15:41] BUGabundo_work: ah ok I will try that and report back, thanks a lot [15:41] still 4GiBs is not _much_ to fit all system + upgrades [15:42] if u find a working way to make a system install in the pen, without messing with hard disk system let me know [15:42] i broke and had to repair a laptop this weekend while trying that [15:42] to use a lucid livecd and install it on the pendrive as a disk [15:43] but the grub didnt like that very much. even after i told it to install in the pendrive, it would not boot, and messed the HD grub :(( [15:43] plus it will not install in ext2 and requires SWAP [15:43] i want to install plymouth without libdrm-nouveau1 is it possible? [15:43] why would i want swap on a FLASH device, beats me [15:44] * BUGabundo_work returns to silence [15:44] * om26er don't use nvidia [15:45] can u tell me pls how many problems can i expect when i upgrade do 10.04 a1, is it much crashy or atm? [15:46] soee: X is broken [15:46] KDE is a bit of a mess [15:46] audio is spot as usual [15:46] but tehre is KDE 4.4 b4 now right ? [15:46] *b2 [15:46] aptitude just broke [15:46] either try a livecd/usb, or make backups and join the fun [15:46] hifi: LOL [15:47] nah i think ill stay with 9.10 till rc1 [15:47] http://pastey.net/130533-1p4p [15:47] soee: LOLOLOL [15:47] what the heck just happened [15:47] so why are u asking so soon? [15:48] either u got what it takes to join the wagon, or dont complain after release, your stuff doesnt work [15:48] hifi: thats serious [15:48] jump to #ubuntu-dev and get someone to look into it [15:48] apt-get works fine [16:24] is devicekit broken? [16:24] anything on ExtFS will not mount as userland [16:24] just root [16:24] and even when it does, like in fat [16:24] if u try to delete something, system goes to RO [16:25] happens in both lucid and debian unstable === dereks_ is now known as dereks [16:28] who has an Analog Devices HDA codec? [16:31] i think i do [16:31] but not "here" [16:31] at home [16:37] BUGabundo_work: ok, let me know. I have some powerdown fixes for those codecs that I need testing. [16:52] crimsun: like having it startup with the volume it was when i shutdown? [16:52] cause having it MUTEd every time is a bit sucky [16:52] BUGabundo_work: no, that's unrelated [16:52] eheh [16:52] BUGabundo_work: is that box running lucid or karmic? [16:52] well LCD bright is worse [16:53] it keeps reseting to some "strange" value [16:53] my laptop runs +1 (everytime) [16:53] even this work PC runs debian unstable [16:53] :) [16:53] that's some crazy PA stream (re)store race [16:53] I haven't dug into it very deep yet, been busy chasing other driver bugs [16:56] crimsun: not critical... but it can get some users by surprise... sure does to me some times, until i remember to unmute [17:55] Hmm, aptitude crash, that's interesting... === FFEMTcJ is now known as cjohnston [18:00] arand: worse [18:00] apt db exposed [18:00] wheres mvo when one needs him [18:01] hmm? Well, seems apt-get works though... [18:01] Recent updates to apt... blame-able I guess.. [18:06] well i wont be upgrading apt then [18:10] Hi, are there any methods for doing wubi install of Lucid alpha ? [18:10] get wubi then hand it an iso? [18:11] wubi is only included on desktop isos and those dont usually happen til alpha2 [18:11] but you can download wubi from teh internet separately [18:11] BUGabundo_work: Do we have a bug report on that yet? [18:11] not my crash [18:11] ask him === Apocolipse_ is now known as apocolipse === mac_v is now known as vish [18:42] * BluesKaj still wonders why Lucid needs 2 logins ay bootup === Whitor_ is now known as elphaba === elphaba is now known as Whitor === vish is now known as mac_v [20:10] hi [20:23] anyone seeing this? http://pastebin.com/m3672da8a [20:31] yoasif, using aptitude ..got the same thing ..better update with apt ..looks like aptitude is broken [20:31] BluesKaj, bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/499543 [20:31] Ubuntu bug 499543 in apt "recent apt upgrade crashes aptitude" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:32] yoasif: Yea, I reported a while ago, do fill in if I missed something. [20:32] yoasif, did your run command disappear too (alt+f2) ? [20:32] BluesKaj, that happened to me a while ago, recent updates fixed that though [20:33] hmm, I just updated a few mins ago , it's still not fixed [20:33] BluesKaj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/492057 [20:33] Ubuntu bug 492057 in gnome-panel "gnome panel segfaults when clicking on main menu" [Medium,Invalid] [20:33] they marked it as invalid, but i think it should be confirmed :P [20:34] yoasif, , running kde 4.4 here , may that could be part of the the problem [20:34] ahh [20:34] im running gnome, so i dont know... fairly sure it's a real bug [20:34] but it's hard to diagnose [20:34] oh! [20:34] try a new user account [20:34] it's default with kubuntulucid [20:34] it disappeared for me when i tried that [20:35] and the double login as well :P [20:37] bbiab , gotta check the postbox [20:38] kk [20:39] hi, where can I file a bug against the grafical installer - what's the name of the package ? [20:40] i believe it is ubiquity [20:40] maybe ubiquity-gtk [20:40] do a search [20:41] yoasif: should I use ubuntu-bug ubiquity if the system is installed or is thewre a way to do this from another machien ? [20:41] benste, what is the error? [20:42] the "next" button is always colored as it would have been already pressed - thought the system freezed but i just had to click again [20:42] guess this is a real minor bug but it's annoying [20:42] benste, you are in the livecd? [20:43] no I've just finished installation from live cd [20:43] alpha 1 [20:43] ah, for something like that, it may already be filed -- you should check to see if it exists in the daily live cds [20:43] and it's not going to help if you aren't in the live env [20:44] yoasif: Is there a way to get the daily live as torrent - downloading the whole image would cost me arround 1/2 day :-) [20:44] my NAS could do if i'd have a torrent [20:45] benste, you can you can use rsync :/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage [20:45] so it only updates what has changed [20:45] not sure about torrents [20:46] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [20:46] doesn't have any torrents [20:46] so I'll have to take a look at rsync [20:46] :-) [20:46] yeah, normally ubuquity uninstalls itself after the OS install almost done [20:48] does so of you have 3 mins and the daily live ? [20:49] ?? [20:51] np I'll try zsync or rsync later :-) [20:51] I'm talking about a clean install from the live cd [20:52] nm... guess i missed the point [20:55] yoasif looks like zsync is really easy, only installing and starting from CLI with zsync [21:20] ubiquity fails upon trying to partition the hard drive [21:21] or alter partitions already present [21:22] uhoh [21:23] but that's why I use gparted to partition everything first , before an install [21:28] does so know if daily live is broken? - I can't enter the gui , the image is ok [21:32] benste, using aptitude , if so it's broken , apt is the way to update/upgrade now [21:35] BluesKaj: you know that I'm testing daily live cause of an ubiquity issue ? :-) [21:36] chekcing cd for defects does end up in file or dir not found so i guess ISO is broken [21:36] I'll try again tomorrow [21:56] boas o/ [21:56] crimsun: ping I'm back home if you need further tests [22:02] BUGabundo: can you verify that you have an AD HDA codec on the desired Lucid machine? [22:02] sure [22:02] how do I need to run to make sure? [22:02] crimsun: ^^^ [22:03] BUGabundo: grep Realtek /proc/asound/card*/codec* [22:03] crimsun: /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: Realtek ALC883 [22:03] excellent [22:03] let me get you a git changeset right quick... [22:04] crimsun: you been hanging around akgraner? your southerner's comin out [22:04] why don't I feel so good, all of the sudden !? [22:04] maco LOLOLOL [22:04] BUGabundo: you'll need to grab http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-20091219.tar.bz2 , too [22:04] now I want to know how akgraner sounds too [22:04] maco, :-P [22:04] akgraner: *** [22:04] southern...just sayin' [22:05] crimsun: step by step... baby steps :) [22:05] maco: what? [22:05] crimsun: "right quick" [22:05] my sound is just *perfect* right now :\ [22:05] that was so north carolina [22:05] crimsun, "right quick"..... [22:05] no it isn't [22:05] people from all over say "right quick" [22:05] ...from all over the south [22:06] crimsun, that they do..:-) [22:06] it isn't a southern thAng [22:06] is there a substitute for the run command (alt+f2) ? , mine has disappeared [22:06] crimsun, you never did answer my question in the other channel about whether it's ok to destroy a userland config file during a package install/upgrade [22:06] BluesKaj: panel not running? [22:07] panel is fine . no alt+f2 [22:07] bjsnider: I'm pretty busy (and was pretty busy), so sorry for leaving you in the lurch [22:07] kde or gnome? cuz alt+f2 is built into the gnome-panel on gnome [22:07] no rush [22:07] maco, tried openbox . but it fails to launch as well [22:07] bjsnider: the short answer is that I don't know enough about that problem domain. In general, it's unacceptable to do so. [22:07] kde [22:07] thats krunner then [22:08] see if itll start from a terminal, maybe? [22:09] krunner fials in the terminal ...errors galore [22:09] fails [22:09] crimsun, using pulseaudio as an example, would you deliberately destroy the ~/.pulse directory if it would help matters during a pulse upgrade? [22:09] BluesKaj: bug report time? [22:09] bjsnider: I would have already done that if it were acceptable, but then again I *know* this problem domain [22:09] bjsnider: gconf tomfoolery, not so much [22:09] grrrrr [22:09] bjsnider: how would you ensure that *every* user's config is destroyed? [22:10] i thought I understood pinning [22:10] now the thing won't pin apt for me [22:10] you mean you haven't done it only because it would cross a line? [22:10] bjsnider: particularly when other users may have encrypted home directories, and thus you cant delete their dot files unless theyre logged in at the time? [22:10] bjsnider: doing so is unacceptable both technically and Policy-wise [22:10] maco, possibly , I guess I'm thinking I caused it somehow and that there's a quickfix :P [22:11] maco, easy as pie. you write a preinst script that contains rm -rf type instructions [22:11] is apt fixed? [22:11] I've it pinned down [22:11] so it won't uppgrade [22:11] bjsnider: but if my user is not logged in and i have encrypted ~, you *cant* find my ~/.pulse to delete it in your package script [22:11] BUGabundo: how'd you do that? [22:12] BUGabundo: it seems to ignore my pinning :/ [22:12] BUGabundo, apt seems ok , aptitude not so good [22:12] BluesKaj: aptitude works when apt is downgraded [22:12] slacker_nl: aptitude hold apt apt-utils [22:12] :DDD [22:12] maco, that's ok. i can only do what i can do. if it's impossible that's a different issue. i as the packager cannot be blamed for the config file not being blown away in that case [22:12] * BUGabundo aptitude ROCKZ [22:12] BUGabundo: ahh k :) [22:12] slacker_nl, downgraded ? [22:13] bjsnider: but thisd mean "interesting" results, user-dependent, and thatd be rather bad [22:13] and like crimsun says...policy-wise...dont touch /home/* [22:13] maco, but right now the file is not being wiped out at all. wiping some of them out is better than none [22:14] i disagree. that means inconsistent results [22:14] consistency is rather important [22:14] maco, what happens when the new package does not behave as intended simply because this userland file is stopping it? [22:14] BluesKaj: yes [22:15] BUGabundo: http://pb.opperschaap.net/134 [22:15] bjsnider: the software itself can modify dotfiles on first run, but the package maintainer scripts should not touch them [22:16] s/should/must/ [22:16] BluesKaj: apt-get install --reinstall apt= [22:17] maco, on first run of a new version, or on first run as in the first time it is installed? [22:17] bjsnider: the first time that user runs that software. either of those is possible [22:18] it is common to check "does a config exist? if not, create it" when its the first time thta user has ever run that software [22:18] what if the config file does not normally exist [22:18] in this case, youd want the software to check "does a config exist? if not, create it. if so, but its an old format, upgrade it" [22:18] even after the software is run [22:18] slacker_nl, nm , I'll just use apt for now , I'm more concerned about the "run command" , I rely on it a lot [22:18] BUGabundo: have you downloaded the daily tarball? [22:18] yes [22:18] BUGabundo: ok, now you'll need the patches in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/powerdown-analog/ [22:19] crimsun: both ? [22:19] done [22:19] bjsnider: if it doesnt normally have a config file, then what is it that youd be deleting? [22:20] maco, check and see if you have this file: ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml [22:20] bjsnider: i do [22:20] BUGabundo: now please extract the daily tarball, then apply both patches [22:20] no idea what it does (or rather, what it *would do* if i used gnome) [22:21] BluesKaj: I'm on Debian again, lucid hasn't been my best friend [22:21] crimsun: how? [22:22] BUGabundo: I presume you can extract the tarball yourself [22:22] done [22:22] lol [22:24] slacker_nl, I'm afraid to admit that I'm beginning to have second thoughts myself :P [22:24] BUGabundo: cd alsa-driver && patch -p1 < /wherever/you/downloaded/0001.. && patch -p1 < /wherever/you/downloaded/0002 [22:25] maco, at some point, you changed the properties of the wallpaper on your system so it did not match the xml files in /usr/share/gnome-background-properties [22:25] bjsnider: would that include adding more backgrounds to the appearances thingy? [22:25] when you did, that file was created [22:25] maco, no [22:26] well, yes [22:26] crimsun: its taking a while [22:26] bjsnider: so if you delete that, people's custom backgrounds all have to be manually re-added? [22:26] maco, yes [22:26] BUGabundo: what is? [22:26] but [22:26] gonna switch to the laptop ..stretch out in the easy chair for a bit ...bbinafew [22:26] crimsun: the patch apply [22:26] BUGabundo: it should be instantaneous [22:26] nope [22:27] bjsnider: this sounds like it goes into the "would annoy users" category [22:27] BUGabundo: you omitted the redirection, probably [22:27] crimsun: /audio/alsa-driver$ patch -p1 0001-ALSA-hda-Add-powerdown-noise-fixes-for-Analog-Device.patch [22:27] right [22:27] its just there.. stuck [22:27] oops [22:27] BUGabundo: the redirect...is missing [22:27] sorry [22:27] if i release an updated wallpapers package that has changed settings for the existing images, they will nto take effect because that file overrides the system-wide xml files in gnome [22:27] crimsun: patching file sound/pci/hda/patch_analog.c [22:27] done [22:27] both [22:30] BUGabundo: good, now: ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make -j3 [22:30] weird... if I have nothing connected to ttyS0, yet have a getty on it... my syslog gets spammed with "ttyS0 terminated with status 1". [22:30] there goes my sound :D [22:32] crimsun: finito [22:32] BUGabundo: sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound [22:32] BUGabundo: afterward, reboot [22:33] reboot? [22:33] but I never reboot !!! [22:33] yes, you need to hard-reset your HDA codec [22:33] WARNING!!! The mixer channels for the ALSA driver are muted by default!!! [22:33] ************************************************************************** [22:33] You would use some ALSA or OSS mixer to set the appropriate volume. [22:33] you can safely ignore that [22:33] okay [22:33] brb in 2 [22:34] _I hope_ [22:34] jeez, I think I put that in about six years ago [22:34] *snort* [22:34] LOL [22:34] no, sorry, ten years ago [22:34] crimsun: eta 2m 2s [22:35] so just a bit longer while this finish up [22:35] crimsun: 10y ?? [22:35] man, we are old :\ [22:35] crimsun, you've been hacking on alsa for 10 years? [22:35] yes. [22:35] alsa itself has been around for 10 years? [22:35] longer [22:35] bjsnider: assuming he did that just after he started hackign it :D [22:35] I was doing OSS before that [22:36] well, it's time to scrap it and get something better in there [22:36] bjsnider: LOL [22:36] i had to say it [22:36] i mean this is linux [22:38] reboot [22:44] crimsun: [ 10.206294] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22) [22:44] and no sound [22:44] at least its not muted :D [22:45] hmm [22:45] also got this [22:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/344985/ [22:45] not sure its related [22:45] crimsun: need full syslog? [22:45] anyone else had this issue with 10.04, mountall: could not connect to plymouth on boot up then blackscreen [22:46] bug full dmesg [22:46] friggin irssi [22:47] crimsun: $ dmesg | pastebinit [22:47] http://pastebin.com/f66ae41c3 [22:47] crimsun: can I now have my sound back again !? :p [22:48] sec [22:51] hmm, you're getting an EINVAL [22:51] that's quite odd, because my code doesn't touch it [22:51] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239 [22:51] Freedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New] [22:51] that's the issue I have. [22:52] crimsun: my system is pretty standrd [22:53] BUGabundo: ok, let's see if today's snap works without my changes [22:53] ok [22:53] cause I would like to watch my tv shows :P [22:54] BUGabundo: extract the tarball to a new directory and compile it using the same configure parameters, but *don't* apply my two patches beforehand [22:55] compliling [22:56] BUGabundo: and afterward, the same make install, rm, reboot procedure [22:56] ALSA modules were successfully compiled. [22:57] $ sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound [22:57] yes [22:57] it was faster this time [22:57] rebooting [23:00] crimsun: dmesg | pastebinit [23:00] http://pastebin.com/f5677fbcd [23:00] $ dmesg | grep codec [23:00] [ 18.732876] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22) [23:00] no sound yet :(( [23:00] swtee [23:01] didn't see the warning on boot, like last time [23:01] ok, so it isn't my code. Not that I thought it could have been. [23:01] but did see something about plymouth [23:01] BUGabundo: ok, let's back up to 1.0.21, then [23:01] (the daily snapshot is slightly newer than 1.0.22) [23:02] fine by me [23:02] as long as I can put mplayer to work [23:03] BUGabundo: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2 [23:03] 2009-12-22 23:03:52 (358 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2' saved [3112563] [23:04] oh blah, 1.0.21 is too old [23:04] LOLOLOL [23:04] we don't have the reboot callback in 21, sigh [23:04] glad I have "unlimited" bw [23:04] crimsun: archive or ppa then ? [23:05] BUGabundo: no, just download 1.0.22 [23:05] from ftp ? [23:05] (change "21" to "22" in the url) [23:05] [ <=> ] 1,058,536 403K/s [23:05] 2009-12-22 23:05:30 (430 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.21.tar.bz2.1' saved [3112563] [23:05] 1.0.22, not 1.0.21 [23:06] lol [23:06] no idea how i missed that [23:06] at this hours, I can barelly keep my eyes open :( [23:06] 2009-12-22 23:06:26 (421 KB/s) - `alsa-driver-1.0.22.tar.bz2' saved [3198841] [23:07] crimsun: same stuff ? [23:07] compile and install ? [23:07] BUGabundo: yes, first test *without* my patches [23:08] are you planing two more reboots !? :( [23:08] yes [23:08] Is there a way to compile just a single module out of the tree against the installed headers? I'm trying to patch a single driver, and have little interest in compiling the whole kernel :p [23:08] that's just the way it is, unfortunately. I have to live with your codec's constraints. [23:09] cwillu_clone: Yes, absolutely. Check out, for example, the nouveau-kernel-source package, which does exactly that. [23:09] crimsun: that's plain evil :p [23:09] BUGabundo: don't buy Realtek, then [23:09] ehe [23:09] sorry, but all HDA codecs suck like that. [23:09] its onboard [23:09] not much choice there [23:11] crimsun: brb [23:14] crimsun: guess what [23:14] no sound [23:14] same error? [23:14] $ dmesg | grep codec [23:14] [ 18.970120] hda_codec: cannot build controlsfor #0 (error -22) [23:14] $ dmesg | pastebinit [23:14] http://pastebin.com/f2293d549 [23:14] sigh, awesome. [23:14] assuming dmesg aint posting from past boot, yes [23:14] let's see, no MSI? [23:15] :) [23:15] asustek [23:15] RAOF, as far as I can tell, making that package required an expert level understanding of how things are assembled. Is that really the best example? [23:15] OEM umbranded [23:15] cwillu_clone: Well, maybe :) [23:15] BUGabundo: sorry, no, I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Signaled_Interrupts [23:16] BUGabundo: lots of motherboards and bioses are broken WRT MSI [23:16] crimsun: now patching and do it again ? [23:16] BUGabundo: not yet, just a sec [23:16] FYI sound was perfect before this :\ [23:16] okay [23:16] * BUGabundo returns to RSS reading [23:16] cwillu_clone: You could also see alsa-source, I think. If the module is cooperative, it can be quite easy. [23:16] It's a little odd that it's easier to patch an nvidia kernel module's source against a running kernel than it is to patch an in-tree driver's source :p [23:17] I would say to ping me, but no audio, so I can't be alerted :\ [23:17] * cwillu_clone pings BUGabundo [23:17] BUGabundo: can you append enable_msi=0 to the options snd-hda-intel line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, then reboot? [23:17] sure [23:17] # Power down HDA controllers after 10 idle seconds [23:17] options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N enable_msi=0 [23:17] yep [23:19] hmm [23:19] crimsun: done [23:19] reboot ? [23:20] RAOF, assuming that alsa-source contains the driver in question, do I just need to include the patch in debian/patches? [23:20] BUGabundo: yes [23:21] cwillu_clone: which patch? [23:21] crimsun, theoretically adding support for an m-audio device [23:22] * cwillu_clone looks for the url [23:22] cwillu_clone: just grab the 1.0.21 tarball and apply it to alsa-kernel/usb/ [23:22] cwillu_clone: no point in messing with alsa-source and m-a at this point [23:23] I think that leaves me at my first question :p [23:23] why? You're just compiling ALSA [23:24] on a decently fast system, that takes one minute or less. [23:24] although I hadn't realized that it was actually an alsa related thing originally [23:24] usbaudio.c <- alsa's territory? [23:24] yes. [23:25] --with-cards=usb-audio [23:29] crimsun, thanks [23:29] * cwillu_clone knows who to bug now :) [23:30] cwillu_clone, do you use an m-audio usb-Card? [23:30] j_ack, no, but I play one on tv [23:30] I mean, yes [23:31] well, no, but I want to [23:31] now both lucid boxes have no 'run command' [23:31] cwillu_clone, what´s the name of these card [23:31] fast truck ultra [23:31] track [23:36] * cwillu_clone patiently waits for a compile [23:38] cwillu_clone, what is hard about patching an in-tree driver? [23:38] bjsnider, compiling just the driver against the running kernel [23:39] bjsnider: what's hard? You have to build the entire base kernel to get symbols for resolution [23:39] not with the blob [23:40] Because it's build system is designed for out-of-tree work. [23:40] yeah. ain't it great? [23:40] Well, not really; it breaks nearly every major kernel version. [23:43] * cwillu_clone sighs [23:43] what is it that restarts pulseaudio? [23:44] pulseaudio -k ? [23:44] try it [23:44] That'll kill it, and it'll presumably get respawned pretty quickly. [23:44] indeed [23:44] hence my question [23:45] * cwillu_clone huggles RAOF [23:45] * BUGabundo pokes cwillu [23:45] * cwillu_clone eyes BUGabundo suspiciously [23:46] it's not gnome-session or gnome-settings-daemon [23:47] Oh, right. [23:47] No, it's autospawned whenever something tries to play sound or query pulseaudio. [23:47] ugh, really? [23:48] Yes; you can disable this in ~/.pulseaudio.conf or something. [23:50] too much magic :/ [23:52] ~/.pulse/client.conf [23:52] I've blogged about it before! [23:53] I just chmod a-x `which pulseaudio [23:53] and then rmmod'd 18 different modules [23:54] yay, I've compiled alsa :p [23:59] * cwillu_clone applies patches and recompiles