| chrisccoulson | mdeslaur - we maintain the gnome-screensaver packaging in bzr btw (just for future reference) | 01:09 |
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| chrisccoulson | i was just about to upload a new version and noticed the bzr branch was out of date ;) | 01:09 |
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| and471 | mvo:hi | 07:49 |
| mvo | hey and471! | 07:49 |
| mvo | and471: I merged a history file writing into apt - I'm sure you will like that :) | 07:50 |
| and471 | mvo: yay! | 07:50 |
| mvo | and471: I will upload it today (doing some final tests, but should be fine) | 07:50 |
| and471 | mvo: what is the basic format of the history? | 07:51 |
| mvo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/LucidSoftwareCenterHistory | 07:52 |
| mvo | and471: a simple rfc822 format, the python-debian package with the debian_bundle.deb822 parser should cope with it just fine | 07:52 |
| mvo | the only complication is that it will do log rotation and keep .gz copies of the chnages | 07:53 |
| mvo | and471: it would be cool to code the log viewer in a way that it could be used standalone as well (if that is possible with not too much effort) | 07:53 |
| and471 | mvo: hmm interesting... :-) | 07:54 |
| mvo | :) | 07:54 |
| * mvo is pretty excited about the feature | 07:54 | |
| and471 | mvo: once it is uploaded tell me and I shall begin hacking :-) though I may need a demo of how the parsing with debian_bundle.deb822 works | 07:56 |
| and471 | mvo: can I ask you a question? | 08:03 |
| mvo | sure | 08:03 |
| and471 | mvo: I have a goocanvas.Canvas and some items on that canvas, how would I set up dragging and dropping of those items? | 08:04 |
| and471 | mvo, (within the canvas) so not gtk. drag and drop stuff, but button release events etc. | 08:04 |
| mvo | and471: I have no experience with that, but I'm happy to have a look (it sounds fun!) - is the code in a branch somewhere? | 08:06 |
| and471 | mvo: sure I shall just push it | 08:06 |
| mvo | and471: it means you have to implement d-n-d "by-hand" because its not there is GooCanvas yet? | 08:06 |
| and471 | mvo: no I am trying to drag and drop items within goocanvas (ie. not drag them to another widget) | 08:07 |
| and471 | mvo, it is for a flowchart creator I have starting creating :-) https://code.launchpad.net/~rugby471/shauri/trunk | 08:08 |
| mvo | oh, that sounds like you want to draw it every time on mousemove | 08:08 |
| and471 | mvo: the canvas stuff is in shauri/view/canvas.py (you will notice the structure of the project looks similiar :-] ) | 08:08 |
| mvo | and delete (and restore the bg) of the previous position | 08:08 |
| and471 | mvo, yup | 08:08 |
| mvo | heh :) | 08:08 |
| mvo | nice | 08:08 |
| mvo | I guess its "just" that, keeping track on on-mouse, the old cursor position, the new and lots of drawing (and deleting). | 08:10 |
| mvo | I'm sure there are nasty corner cases and such too :) | 08:10 |
| and471 | mvo: what is the gobject signal(s) I need to track? | 08:11 |
| and471 | is > are | 08:11 |
| mvo | and471: I think you need motion-notify-event on the canvas itself. if there is a mouse-click on a item, go into drag-state, if the mouse is moved (motifion-notify-event) in that state, do the drawing magic. when the mouse is released, end that state | 08:13 |
| mvo | you should get a event that gives you "event.x", "event.y" | 08:14 |
| and471 | mvo: ok cool thanks :-) | 08:14 |
| mvo | (GdkEventMotion) | 08:14 |
| mvo | good luck! and let me know how that goes | 08:14 |
| and471 | mvo: thanks I shall :-) I was trying to make a flowchart the other day, I installed and opened up dia and thought "this is too hard" ;) | 08:15 |
| and471 | mvo, this is going to be a really simple and easy-to-use program :-) | 08:15 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:16 |
| mvo | and471: cool! | 08:16 |
| mvo | hey pitti | 08:16 |
| and471 | pitti, hello | 08:16 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:31 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 08:32 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, how are you today? | 08:33 |
| chrisccoulson | are you winding down for the festive break yet? ;) | 08:33 |
| pitti | I'm great, how are you? | 08:34 |
| pitti | I'm still at work until tomorrow | 08:34 |
| and471 | mvo: okay I have got it working however I have one problem, the gd.Event gives me the x and y coordinates of the window not the widget, is there anyway to convert these? | 08:35 |
| and471 | *gkd.Event | 08:35 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm ok too. i got most of my christmas grocery shopping done last night, which was not fun, but i'm glad it's out of the way now :) | 08:35 |
| and471 | *gdk.Event | 08:36 |
| and471 | mvo, don't worry I ahve go it working, the gdk.Event does give me the correct coordinates | 08:39 |
| mvo | and471: aha, cool | 08:43 |
| and471 | mvo: yay it is working :-) | 08:45 |
| mvo | sweet! | 08:45 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - do you just want me to just upload the fix for bug 428884 to karmic-proposed, or do you want to have a quick look at the fix beforehand? FYI, the patch i uploaded to lucid last night is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-screensaver/ubuntu/revision/48#debian/patches/10_legacy_scrsvr_inhibit.patch | 09:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 428884 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver-command --poke no longer inhibits screensaver" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428884 | 09:00 |
| chrisccoulson | unfortunately, it requires an extra build-depend on libxtst-dev to work, but that's already required by other desktop components anyway | 09:00 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: new b-dep in main doesn't sound like a problem | 09:02 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks | 09:02 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: would there be a way to avoid patching autoconf stuff for the SRU? | 09:02 |
| pitti | and just assume that we have it? | 09:02 |
| pitti | the Makefile.am change can probably be represented as a single-line diff in Makefile.in | 09:03 |
| pitti | I don't insist on it, but it might make the change much smaller and less error prone | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, i can probably do that. we'd still need to keep the Makefile change to correctly link against libxtst though, but i can remove the configure check for the SRU. i only added that to make it more acceptable for upstream | 09:04 |
| chrisccoulson | vuntz - we had a user report a gnome-session bug because they tried to get nautilus to open a window on login, by adding a nautilus autostart file in gnome-session-properties, but it didn't work because they ended up with 2 applications with the same app_id (and only one of them is started). would you consider that to be a bug, or something which is unlikely to change? (i'm wondering whether to close the launchpad bug or not) | 10:04 |
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| huats | hello everyone ! | 13:06 |
| mpt | mvo, hi, I thought you were supposed to be on holiday ;-) | 13:08 |
| mvo | mpt: yesterday, today and tomorrow I'm at work :) | 13:10 |
| mpt | mvo, ah, I didn't call you yesterday because I didn't see you online anywhere | 13:10 |
| mvo | mpt: right, I was on vac yesterday | 13:13 |
| mvo | but not today and tomorrow | 13:14 |
| mpt | mvo, I just updated trunk, and it's in an interesting state -- all the application names and icons are gone | 13:16 |
| mvo | mpt: oh? does "rm data/xapian/*" help? | 13:19 |
| mpt | oh, I wasn't paying attention to what was happening in the terminal | 13:20 |
| mpt | it was full of raise IndexError("No app '%s' for '%s' in database" % (appname,pkgname)) etc | 13:21 |
| mpt | yes, all fixed now | 13:21 |
| mvo | cool, thanks | 13:22 |
| chrisccoulson | good afternoon everyone | 13:28 |
| mpt | mvo, I'm thinking about how to show non-application packages in search results | 13:37 |
| mpt | mvo, and one example I'm using is "the" (The Hessling Editor) | 13:37 |
| mvo | mpt: we can/could force exact package name searches as part of the query | 13:39 |
| mvo | that would match "the" | 13:39 |
| mpt | yes | 13:39 |
| mpt | So, something like: If there's a package that exactly matches, show that first, then show all application matches alphabetically, and hide non-application matches behind a toggle of some sort | 13:40 |
| mpt | (other non-application matches, I mean) | 13:40 |
| mpt | ... except in "Tech Stuff", where non-application matches should be shown by default | 13:41 |
| mpt | Currently searching in USC for "hessling" returns the, but searching for "the" does not | 13:42 |
| mvo | mpt: I'm not sure about the alphabetic, I send you a environment that you can use to modify the behavior a while ago | 13:42 |
| mvo | mpt: and alphabetic is confusing if you search for something with "z" in it IMO | 13:43 |
| mpt | maybe | 13:43 |
| mvo | mpt: I thnk I send it to you by mail, just play with it to get a feeling for the sorting | 13:43 |
| mpt | Another problem with alphabetic is where we get wildly popular and ISVs start gaming it by starting their application names with underscores or "AAA" | 13:43 |
| mpt | (that happened with Apple's store) | 13:44 |
| mvo | oh, so that is the way the apple store is doing it by default? interessting | 13:45 |
| mpt | I think they stopped, I'm not sure | 13:45 |
| mpt | haven't used it myself :-) | 13:45 |
| mpt | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2008/07/app-store-alphabetical-listings-quietly-fixed.ars | 13:45 |
| * mvo nods | 13:46 | |
| mvo | mpt: we currently implement three different sortings, if you can't find the environemnt vars I can look them up for you again (sorry, I don't have it right now) | 13:47 |
| mpt | mvo, sorry, I haven't found that message (I went through all messages where you mentioned "sort") | 13:55 |
| mvo | mpt: try "PYTHONPATH=. SOFTWARE_CENTER_SEARCHES_SORT_MODE=popcon ./software-center" | 13:57 |
| mvo | mpt: it supports "xapian" | 13:57 |
| mvo | mpt: alphabetic | 13:57 |
| mvo | and popcon | 13:57 |
| mpt | hm, searching is hard | 13:58 |
| mpt | None of those options, when I search for "python", return any version of the Python interpreter as #1 or #2 | 14:00 |
| mpt | I guess we can get around that partly with exact matches | 14:00 |
| mpt | but that might not help with searches like "openoffice" | 14:01 |
| mvo | yeah, search is hard, espcially when it neeeds be fast and exact. give me a minute to look if I can get the package name matches mixed into the search | 14:05 |
| mvo | mpt: please update and check how well the xapian mode now works. I added scaling for pkgname and a strong favor towards applications | 14:40 |
| mvo | r477 | 14:41 |
| pitti | hm, any gnome committer here who could apply an approved patch for me? | 14:43 |
| mvo | but popcon (by its nature) gives us very good results for common searches | 14:43 |
| mvo | mpt: its hard to get the exact behavior you want, there is no simple "do-that search first and append the other results later" | 14:43 |
| pitti | mclasen: thanks for the glib assert patch review; I can't commit myself, but I'll find someone | 14:44 |
| mclasen | pitti: we'll get it in, no worries | 14:44 |
| mpt | mvo, one lookup and one search, splice the results together? :-) | 14:44 |
| mclasen | pitti: now I need to go and find some abrt hacker; I think they're all off for xmas already... | 14:45 |
| pitti | mclasen: that problem sounds familiar :) | 14:45 |
| pitti | OTOH these three days are great for getting stuff done and reduce the backlog | 14:46 |
| * pitti has $work inbox down to three | 14:46 | |
| mvo | mpt: right, thats like saying "just return the right results" | 14:47 |
| mpt | mvo, why is that? Is it because it would take twice as long as doing just one search? | 14:47 |
| mvo | mpt: its because the bit that displays the application gets a query as input. it does not care much if its in search, display (sub)category or search-in-category(or sub-category) mode. its a nice abstraction. that bits needs to be redone to take multiple queries and stitch them together. maybe hard is the wrong word, but it does not map very well currently | 14:51 |
| mpt | mvo, is that something you'd need to rewrite anyway to hide non-application packages from most search results by default? | 14:52 |
| mvo | mpt: no, that is relatively easy to do by adding a "AND" or "AND_NOT" applications | 14:52 |
| mpt | ok | 14:52 |
| mpt | hm, something must be broken | 14:55 |
| mvo | mpt: with the recent commit? | 14:55 |
| mpt | mvo, in r477 I search for "thunderbird" and I get 200 results: Mozilla Thunderbird is #56, and most of the others don't mention "thunderbird" at all | 14:57 |
| mpt | mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/344756/ | 14:59 |
| mvo | mpt: with SEACHES_SORT_MODE=xapian ? or with the default mode? | 15:00 |
| mpt | mvo, default mode | 15:01 |
| mvo | SOFTWARE_CENTER_ ... =xapian | 15:01 |
| mpt | Was that change you made just to the xapian mode? | 15:01 |
| mvo | mpt: that may well be broken now :/ please check the xapian one | 15:01 |
| mpt | ok | 15:01 |
| mpt | mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/344759/ | 15:05 |
| mpt | It's improved on non-application packages, worsened on applications | 15:05 |
| mpt | It's also consistently returning ~200 results where most of them don't mention the search string at all | 15:08 |
| mvo | hm, hm, so a different approach is needed | 15:10 |
| mpt | actually, I need to increase the sample | 15:11 |
| mpt | it's doing fairly well on other things I'm trying | 15:11 |
| mpt | but getting rid of those completely irrelevant results would be nice anyway :-) | 15:11 |
| * mvo nods | 15:15 | |
| mpt | mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/344765/ | 15:19 |
| mpt | Emilia Pinball seems to come up in the top 20 for just about every search I do :-) | 15:22 |
| mpt | e.g. it's the #12 result for "spreadsheet" | 15:22 |
| mpt | mvo, so on balance, from that sample I think r477-xapian is a bit worse than r476 | 15:28 |
| cassidy | kenvandine, hey! Any chance to see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-gabble/+bug/494591 fixed in Karmic? | 15:46 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 494591 in telepathy-gabble "Ship 0.8.9" [Undecided,New] | 15:46 |
| mvo | mpt: hm, I just looked into a custom weight implementation to do custom relevance raking with xapian, but that seems to be not possible with the python bindings. I think it would solve the problem neatly. oh well | 15:46 |
| mvo | s/would/would have/ | 15:46 |
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| mvo | mpt: please try r478, still not perfect, but I think better | 16:18 |
| mpt | mvo, with explicit xapian mode, or default mode? | 16:34 |
| mvo | mpt: default, sorry for not mentioning that | 16:36 |
| mpt | mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/344818/ | 16:42 |
| mpt | r479 does a bit better than r476 | 16:42 |
| mpt | r479 in xapian mode does better still. | 16:43 |
| mvo | mpt: that is interessting, dive into python is a problem to become #1 because python is also a package name and huge popularity | 16:43 |
| mpt | And in both default and xapian mode, I don't see any completely irrelevant results, nice work | 16:45 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:45 |
| mpt | mvo, shouldn't it matter that the python package doesn't mention "dive" at all? :-) | 16:46 |
| mvo | mpt: the package names are currently a OR search, I can make that a AND, but that will be on the expenses of other queries. but if you prefer that that is fine with me (OTOH there is no dive AND in AND python package) | 16:49 |
| mpt | mvo, sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "there is no dive AND in AND python package" | 16:50 |
| mvo | mpt: I mean, for the package name query, there is no exact match there. but yeah, for the other one I need to check what is going on, but xapian is sometimes still magic | 16:51 |
| mpt | mvo, do you mean that with an AND search, "dive into python" would return no results? | 16:52 |
| mvo | mpt: for a AND package name search yes, it would be a "dive AND into AND python" on the pkgname | 16:52 |
| mpt | Well, the package name isn't "dive" or "into" or "python" anyway | 16:53 |
| mpt | So in both cases it's looking at the description instead, right? | 16:53 |
| mvo | yes | 16:54 |
| mvo | hm, but its a good question why its not doing a AND there | 16:54 |
| mpt | We're hampered here by the synopsis being "free Python book for experienced programmers", rather than "Dive Into Python, a reference for experienced programmers" or something like that | 16:54 |
| * mvo nods | 16:55 | |
| mpt | Unlike Google and Bing developers, we have the advantage of being able to improve our dataset :-) | 16:55 |
| mvo | indeed | 16:55 |
| mvo | user-contributed-metadata ftw | 16:56 |
| mpt | exactly | 16:56 |
| mpt | In the meantime, the latest xapian mode looks like a good default to be going on with | 16:56 |
| mvo | ok, cool | 16:56 |
| mpt | though I'm happy to test something where the package search is ANDed | 16:57 |
| mpt | package name search, I mean | 16:57 |
| mvo | mpt: ok, cool. I need to leave now (appointment this evening) - but I can commit a patch for this tomorrow morning - just ping me when you are online and I'm happy to do that | 16:59 |
| mpt | mvo, ok, or put it in a branch and mail me, whichever suits you | 16:59 |
| mpt | thank you for your attention to detail | 16:59 |
| * mpt wonders what package should come up #1 in a search for "realtime kernel" | 17:00 | |
| mpt | linux-image-rt, I guess | 17:00 |
| * mvo waves | 17:01 | |
| mpt | tchau | 17:01 |
| mpt | But there we have crap data because the package info doesn't mention "realtime" at all | 17:02 |
| mpt | "This package will always depend on the latest rt kernel image available." </nothelpful> | 17:02 |
| crimsun | mpt: I'll patch that, thanks | 17:13 |
| mpt | crimsun, I'm part-way through writing it up, would you like me to hit the "Submit Bug Report" button, or would that be more bothersome than useful? | 17:14 |
| crimsun | submit, and please let me know the bug report # | 17:14 |
| crimsun | thanks | 17:15 |
| mpt | crimsun, reported bug 499524, thank you kindly | 17:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 499524 in linux-meta "Package description doesn't mention "real-time"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499524 | 17:17 |
| mpt | crimsun, btw, do you know why <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=linux-image-rt> shows the linux-image-rt binary package coming from two different source packages for the same series? Are they for different architectures, or what? | 17:18 |
| crimsun | mpt: originally targeted to two different base kernels | 17:23 |
| crimsun | 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 bases | 17:23 |
| mpt | hm | 17:25 |
| mpt | When I search Synaptic for "linux-image-rt" I get one result, but when I search Ubuntu Software Center I get two identical results | 17:25 |
| crimsun | mpt: would it be acceptable to use "Realtime" instead of "real-time"? | 17:45 |
| crimsun | mpt: upstream uses the former | 17:45 |
| mpt | crimsun, heh, I was just wondering how to finagle the description so that it would contain both :-) | 17:46 |
| mpt | so that a search for either would return it | 17:46 |
| crimsun | well, technically it's "Realtime Linux" and "RT" both, but I agree that we need to avoid confusing users with other "rt"-like packages | 17:47 |
| bjsnider | is it acceptable for a package to wipe out a userland config file as part of an update, or is it considered to be destruction of data? | 17:48 |
| crimsun | i.e., we don't want people to mistakenly think they're getting "Real Time Linux" (i.e., RTAI) | 17:48 |
| mpt | crimsun, so are some/most of the mentions of "real-time kernel" on the Web people referring to RTAI? | 17:49 |
| crimsun | I'll just make this clearer in the longer description | 17:49 |
| mpt | http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1="real-time+kernel"&word2="realtime+kernel" | 17:49 |
| mpt | ok | 17:49 |
| crimsun | "real-time kernel" returns mostly "Realtime Linux" (i.e., Ubuntu's linux-meta-rt-related) results | 17:51 |
| crimsun | bjsnider: note the distinction between conffile and configuration file | 17:51 |
| bjsnider | crimsun, let me be specific. ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml | 18:00 |
| bjsnider | that file is created if the user ever changes anything about the default backgrounds such as their colour | 18:01 |
| bjsnider | it overrides the xml files in /usr/share/backgrounds | 18:01 |
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| dobey | what's the installer project name? ubiquity? | 20:37 |
| Keybuk | the Live installer, yus | 20:37 |
| dobey | cool, thanks | 20:39 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i've uploaded the gnome-screensaver SRU now | 22:06 |
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