=== asac_ is now known as asac === nhandler is now known as Guest15323 === swoody is now known as William_Wallace === William_Wallace is now known as swoody [09:47] hey jono, how's it going? [09:47] hey humphreybc :) [09:48] all good thanks, you? [09:48] not bad not bad, busy day trying to get a new LAMP server up and running with ubuntu server and AjaXplorer [09:48] i'm having some problems with PHP file uploading, but that's for another day :P [09:49] what's the weather like in the UK? snowing? [10:00] anybody??? [10:00] they're getting there :) [10:03] * persia peers about [10:03] who's supposed to be chairing the meeting? [10:04] humphreybc: amachu is our traditional chair [10:04] Oo he's running a tad late :P [10:05] Seems that way. [10:05] are you in the board? [10:05] I am. [10:05] on* the board [10:05] cool cool [10:06] persia: do you know why the meeting was changed from the 14th? [10:06] oh, it's that day of the month. [10:06] Changed from the 14th? No. [10:07] humphreybc: You may be thinking of another meeting. This one is at 10:00 UTC the second and fourth tuesdays of each month. [10:07] The Oceania membership board, right? [10:07] humphreybc: Yep. [10:08] I'm fairly certain it was scheduled for the 14th but then changed, but doesn't matter [10:08] Sorry if that happened: the 14th was definitely a mistake. [10:08] gotcha [10:08] I'm Benjamin by the way [10:09] Yep. You're our first candidate up today. [10:09] (I prefer people to use my real name, it's more personal :) ) [10:09] You might want to consider changing your nick :) [10:09] persia, did you ping lifeless? [10:10] elky: No, I was giving amachu 10 minutes. [10:10] hmm maybe at some point I will consider it. humphreybc is just my last name + initials, I use it for most stuff. [10:10] lifeless: freeflying TheMuso Belutz zakame : who's here? [10:11] vageuly [10:11] the other four are not even in the channel [10:11] Hi! [10:11] That would make three. We need one more. [10:11] I'm Muhammad Hafiz from Malaysia [10:12] sorry for the late appearance [10:12] freeflying is here [10:12] since i'm waiting someone to come [10:12] (in the channel) [10:12] * hfz says ho to humphreybc [10:12] oh so he is, i must have typoed bfore when i checked [10:12] =D [10:12] hey mate, how's it going [10:12] i'm fine [10:12] thank you =D [10:12] how's yr day? [10:12] elky: whether he is afk or not, is yet to be determined :P [10:13] hfz: not bad, spent most of it setting up a LAMP server with ajaxplorer, and sorting stuff out for christmas [10:13] he's been idle 50 minute [10:13] ok [10:13] * hfz says hi to elky =D [10:13] elky: hmm, well i suppose that means he's not around... [10:13] amachu did send mail [10:13] or he's got distracted [10:14] may i know who's the meeting chairman for today? [10:14] hfz, hi :) [10:14] I wager he's having internet fail [10:14] just want to get know =D [10:14] so you need four? [10:14] hfz: Not determined yet. [10:14] popey: around? [10:14] humphreybc: Yes, but we're only three now. [10:14] o/ [10:14] * hfz says hello to persia =D [10:14] popey: Have time to help us? [10:14] popey: care to join asia for an evening ? [10:14] sure [10:14] persia : ok, i'm understand =D [10:15] OK. Let's call ourselves quorate then. Sitting board members for this meeting are elky, lifeless, popey, and persia [10:15] anyone got the url handy? [10:15] #startmeeting [10:15] persia, There is already a meeting in progress. [10:15] persia: please SMS me at like 2 past if I'm not here :) no need to make folk wait. [10:15] Bah. [10:15] persia: I do have it in my calendarish [10:15] #endmeeting [10:15] lifeless: You weren't the only one :) [10:15] Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [10:15] persia: I know, I'm not taking responsibility :) [10:15] be back in two secs, just nipping to the loo [10:15] persia: just saying:) [10:15] I'm here already [10:16] * popey prefers the term "bio break" :) [10:16] OK. Let's skip humphreybc for now, and get back later :) [10:16] be back in five minutes, going to the loo for a while =D [10:16] hfz: You're up. Please introduce yourself. [10:17] right i'm back [10:17] Right. I thought that was a joke. Moving on. [10:17] sorry about that [10:17] nick: You're up. [10:17] Please introduce yourself. [10:18] O.o [10:18] OK. Back to the top. [10:18] haha righto, i'll introduce myself. [10:18] humphreybc: Your turn again. Please introduce yourself. [10:19] Hi everyone, my name is Benjamin Humphrey. I'm a 19 year old Software Engineering student from New Zealand, currently studying in Dunedin. I've been using Ubuntu for about a year, and mainly contribute to documentation and the community. [10:19] In the future i'd like to shift to programming and code writing, as my skills develop in that area from my degree. [10:20] But for now, I'm mainly focusing on my blog, and an Ubuntu manual that i'm writing (preview is attached on my wiki page) [10:20] which is http:wiki.ubuntu.com/humphreybc [10:21] I also do a lot of testing of alpha and beta releases, submit and comment on bugs, and I have submitted the odd fix too. [10:22] hi [10:22] I'm a member of the Ubuntu NZ LoCo team, and of the New Zealand Open Source Society (my linux feed is aggregated there) [10:22] I'm back! [10:22] sorry for the delays =D [10:22] hfz: we'll be with you soon; for now please let us interview humphreybc [10:22] ok [10:22] And next year I'm planning on running some activities in the Dunedin area to promote Ubuntu. [10:22] sure [10:23] So yeah, that's pretty much me. I'm interested in Ubuntu for a number of reasons, and interested in contributing because I want to give back to the community what it has so generously given me for free. Seeing as Software development and IT is my major at university, it also makes sense for me to get involved. [10:23] What else would you like to know? [10:23] humphreybc: Well, we're currently reviewing, but did you happen to bring anyone with you today to cheer for your application? [10:24] Unfortunately, no. The couple of people who would want to come are in the wrong timezone [10:24] I work with Joey from omgubuntu.co.uk on a few things, I've been meaning to get a testimonial from him - but he's a pretty busy guy [10:25] humphreybc: you seem to be very active, but only for a short time ? [10:25] I'm seeing lots of recent blogging, but little evidence of direct contribution to Ubuntu itself. [10:25] Yes, I have only been using Ubuntu for a year or so. The blog is pretty new, only started that recently. [10:25] humphreybc: we look for 'significant and sustained' contribution. [10:26] Personally I prefer to see contributions to the documentation team, wiki and so on rather than external blogs and documents. [10:26] popey: me too [10:26] indeed [10:26] humphreybc: for instance, have you considered making your ebook part of the official docs ? [10:26] I do like the idea of a beginner "manual" but it could be done in collaboration with the docteam [10:26] Mmm I understand that. I've written some guides for the Video documentation wiki, but to be honest, not a huge heap of stuff "officially" [10:26] popey, or even beginners team [10:26] The work with the testing and QA teams is also promising, but I'd like to see either documentation of the extent, or failing that, some commentary from others working in that area. [10:26] that too elky [10:26] When I have finished the book it will become official, that's my goal [10:27] humphreybc: it doesn't need to be 'official' as such, just part-of-the-community-resources. [10:27] humphreybc: if you maintained it in bzr/wiki you might find others would contribute [10:27] s/would/could [10:27] Right. I am collaborating with a couple of other members, but it's reasonably fresh as well. It was only due to the success of the blog that I decided to write a manual [10:28] popey: I'll do that in a couple of months once I have written the full draft. [10:28] though I think we should recognise activities that are 'adjacent' to Ubuntu. [10:28] sure lifeless, i "recognise" but also "prefer" :) [10:28] I'm certainly happy to recognise adjacent activities, so long as there is also integration with direct activities. [10:28] I've addressed the fact that the direct contributions to Ubuntu aren't significant comparative to many [10:29] But that will change next year when I take some more coding papers [10:29] anyhow, my vote is against, for now: This is a good beginning, but needs to be significantly more sustained. I think if you keep the same level of activity up the forums posts / ideastorm/wiki will be plenty in due course. [10:29] lifeless: fair enough [10:30] I'm also against. I think the work is great, but I'd like to see more direct contribution, and more support from other members of the community. [10:30] What would you consider a significant amount of time, and examples of direct contribution? I've never had the definition of direct contribution explained to me, as opposed to external contribution. [10:30] humphreybc: there are other Ubuntu Members in Dunedin; you may find you're not as alone there as your writings seem to imply ;) [10:30] ajmitch: ^ :P [10:30] I'll have to track them down, thanks. [10:31] +0 from me for similar reasons. you have a good start but you lack the sustained bit we're looking for. [10:31] humphreybc: For myself, I consider it "direct contribution" when it's part of a team that exists within Ubuntu, and external contribution when it's personal blogs, other projects, etc. [10:31] It will be easier next year when I have an internet connection in my flat... this past year I was walking to the library each time I needed access :P [10:32] So when do you think I should try again? Presuming I keep up this level of activity. [10:32] humphreybc: say a couple of semesters. There isn't a hard limit. We rarely ask someone who has been contributing in a sustained manner for a year to go away and come back, and less than a few months are rarely accepted [10:32] I agree +0 [10:32] Righto, so later next year. As I said, next year the "direct" contribution will increase significantly [10:33] we look forward to seeing that :) [10:33] My definition of direct contributions are things that improve Ubuntu itself. [10:33] And if I get some friends from Dunedin/Ubuntu NZ they should be able to vouch for me with a bit of luck :) [10:33] humphreybc: Feel free to contact any of us personally if you want to check if you've reached that point (we can't say for sure, but we can review). You may also want to ask other Ubuntu members in the various teams you work with. [10:33] Ubuntu & the Ubuntu community. [10:33] OK. Anyone have anything else for humphreybc ? [10:33] How would I go about contacting one of the board? [10:33] Is there a list of members on the board somewhere? [10:34] I don't think team vs solo is that important in terms of direct/indirect; but team things with official teams are pretty much guaranteed to be direct. [10:34] On our launchpad page. [10:34] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania [10:34] Gotcha [10:34] OK. Next up: hfz. Please introduce yourself. [10:34] keep up the good work humphreybc [10:34] Hi! [10:34] I'm Muhammad Hafiz, as introduced in Ubuntu WiKi [10:35] hi [10:35] hey amachu [10:35] I'm 15 years old from Malaysia, and just began in the middle of this year to using Ubuntu [10:35] And I've contributed my time for the translation doc for the current release of Ubuntu 9.10 [10:35] hi folks, did i miss anything? [10:36] I'm also a member of Ubuntu Malaysia Local Community and Open Source Developers Club Malaysia [10:36] I've attached the links in my WiKi Page [10:36] sorry held up with official meeting.. [10:36] nick: we'll be with you soon; for now please let us interview hfz [10:36] nick: You were up, but we passed on. We'll get back to you in a while. [10:36] amachu: its ok, we grabbed popey [10:36] lifeless: I understood.. [10:37] Plus, I'm currently becoming the website moderator of YouthSays Malaysia, under company named YouthAsia [10:37] amachu: we've just started with hfz, you've seen all the discussion, and I think you're welcome to join in :P [10:37] Anymore you want to know about me? [10:37] :) [10:38] hfz: what do you consider your most significant contribution to Ubuntu? [10:38] lifeless: yep [10:38] The language translation from English to Bahasa Malaysia for Ubuntu release, 9.10 codenamed Karmic Koala [10:38] And also answering some bugs in Launchpad [10:39] I'm also currently learning Ruby on Rails [10:40] Any questions for me? [10:40] :) [10:40] hfz: You don't have any testimonials on your wiki page. Did you bring anyone to support your application? [10:41] Unfortunately no, since the others are busy.... [10:42] I'm seeing a small number of translations recently, but nothing that would make me think 'sustained' contribution I'm afraid. [10:43] hfz: are there people here from your LoCo here ? [10:43] popey: the page truncates [10:43] popey: the ones you see are after9.10 came out; it could be anything [10:44] So, I'm +0 here as well: most of the things on your wiki page are not anything to do with Ubuntu, while they are fine things to do. [10:44] yep +0. i'd like to see more strictly ubuntu contributions. the translations are a nice start [10:45] Unfortunately no [10:45] my advice is to keep on translating [10:45] I'm also +0 on this. While translations alone are certainly sufficient for me, I'm having a hard time judging the volume, and would like to see some support from at least other translators (or other folk, for other activities). [10:45] get into bugs [10:45] I hope they can come [10:45] I agree +0 [10:46] Oh... OK =) [10:46] amachu: ? [10:46] It's great to see new young people using and getting involved in Ubuntu. I'd like to see more contributions hfz [10:46] I understand that [10:46] persia: +0 [10:46] I try my best to upgrade myself, since I'm also currently promoting Ubuntu at my school [10:46] would like to see more sustained efforts & testimonials [10:47] OK [10:47] hfz: make sure you fully document everything you do for Ubuntu :) [10:47] hfz: As described above, you may want to just spend more time doing the things you are doing, or do more things. I'd also encourage you to make sure there are good links to demonstrate and document the stuff you've done. [10:47] Oh, Nice advise =D [10:47] Anyone have anything else for hfz? [10:47] persia: no [10:48] OK. Moving on then. [10:48] Next up: nick. Please introduce yourself. [10:49] OK. [10:49] Thanks [10:49] Nice to meet you guys =D [10:49] Hi everyone. First of all sorry about missing my turn. I fall asleep due to jet lag. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BoranBasar and you can also find information about me on https://launchpad.net/~boranbasar [10:50] nick, tell us about your contributions to ubuntu please [10:50] But mainly my contribution is helping Turkish users on #ubuntu-tr and also Turkish forum web pages on http://forum.ubuntu-tr.org. Most of them don't know english very well and they also prefer to have 1-on-1 support rather than using forum web-pages. [10:51] nick: You seem to be primarily active in support, which I find hard to judge. Do you have any links that would demonstrate the volume of your work? [10:52] Unfortunately no as mostly my support is in Turkish and only on the channel based. I've started using Launchpad and others since I moved down the Australia. [10:52] nick: You also mention the turkish forum. What's your handle there? [10:52] nick: would like to see more in wiki with links & references [10:53] I'm helping the users with their questions and also creating them tutorials, such as how to install an Apache server or creating an Django enviroment on ubuntu. [10:54] And also explaining them why using Ubuntu is important, not just because of it's free. [10:55] Lastly I distribute Ubuntu CD's on my own, for the users in Turkey which has limited internet access(quota) that can't download Ubuntu online by themselves [10:56] that's the sort of thing that should be on your wiki page. [10:58] night night fellas, i'm out [10:58] good night humphreybc [10:59] nick: Have you brought anyone to the meeting to support your application? [11:00] persia: No, I haven't since I don't know any english speakers, which is the main reason I've been helping them in Turkish. If they could, they would be here trying to support me. [11:00] nick: good to hear these.. would have been great if all of what you say is also reflected in wiki with appropriate references [11:01] nick, i think we'd be able to see the enthusiasm in their comments if they were here cheering your name [11:01] also, you can bring turkish speakers to support you [11:01] if you or someone you know can translate [11:02] seeing stuff like "< person> nick++!!! :D" speaks plenty to us :) [11:02] I don't feel I have enough information to make a positive statement towards membership. I'd like to see a more comprehensive wiki page, including more detail about activities, links to activity in the turkish forum, and some testimonials (in Turkish is acceptable, although English is preferred). [11:02] <_paco_> hello mes amis de la chanson [11:03] I too would like to see a more comprehensive wiki page with links to contributions. [11:03] nick: you mention Turkish FOSS software on your wiki page, so whats that [11:03] persia: _paco_ is one of the operators of #ubuntu-tr. He is here to support me [11:03] <_paco_> I'm one of the operators on #ubuntu-tr. He's been helping people since 2005 on #ubuntu-tr [11:03] nick: would wish you all the best, but I would give -1 this time around [11:04] _paco_: how active there is nick ? [11:04] <_paco_> a lot I would say [11:04] <_paco_> most of our ops ain't on the chan. [11:04] <_paco_> I don't know why. I think they are too busy with the forum [11:05] so, I think I'm +1 all told [11:05] though its very hard to assess [11:06] <_paco_> he helps answering newcomers questions, encouareging them to use Ubuntu and help them to solve bugs they experience [11:06] _paco_, nick has been consistent in his support giving since 2005? [11:07] <_paco_> yes [11:08] what about forums. has he been active there too since 2005? [11:08] we dont even know what his account name there is [11:09] nick: Could you please tell us your account name on http://forum.ubuntu-tr.org/ ? [11:10] persia: wiper [11:10] Thanks. [11:12] persia: http://forum.ubuntu-tr.org/index.php/topic,3777.0.html you could see the topic lists that I created [11:13] These are not all my topics, but it's created for easy access for new users. They include topics such as 'What is Ubuntu?, How you can install an application on Ubuntu, How you can get support?" etc. [11:14] 7107 posts? [11:14] I'm feeling more confident, and sufficiently soto vote in favour of membership. I do encourage you to add more links to your wiki page, as there appears to be a lot of good dialog with users in the forums (and references to your IRC support). [11:15] yep +1 from me now too [11:15] User #2 on the turkish forum as well :) [11:15] wow [11:15] nick, these are things you should write on your wiki page! :) [11:16] Definitely ! This would have been a fast approval with the documentation. [11:16] i'd like to see you read the log of this meeting and fix that page [11:16] popey: amachu: care to revote? [11:16] elky: you'll be sure that I will [11:16] freeflying: You also joined the discussion. Do you have a vote? [11:16] lifeless: yes, I am looking at forum [11:17] just a line at wiki made life tough for nick today [11:17] persia: I'd like -1 [11:18] * popey is still +0 [11:18] OK. [11:18] i would elevate my vote to +0 [11:18] at this time [11:18] freeflying: popey: amachu: any advice for nick [11:18] nick: I'd recommend fixing up your wiki page, and coming back to us once it's ready. Feel free to contact any of the board members for a review to make sure it's in shape. [11:19] 11:03:12 < popey> I too would like to see a more comprehensive wiki page with links to contributions. [11:19] :) [11:19] lifeless: yes, [11:19] popey: if its simply documentation, I think we should look beyond that :P [11:19] nick: update the wiki giving the links etc., [11:20] nick: we can't know too much from your wiki page, hope you can get someone here to support you next time [11:20] freeflying: nick has _paco_ here supporting him [11:20] i do not see any reason not to give a +1 other than that.. [11:20] freeflying: I did. I asked one of the operators of #ubuntu-tr to come here to supportme [11:20] lifeless: hmm [11:20] so, its meta, but I really don't think a lack of docs should be a reason not to approve someone, *if* we've figured out the contributions anyway. [11:21] persia: what did you vote? [11:21] m [11:21] just lost that [11:21] amachu: In favour. [11:21] Oh ok.. [11:21] I'm happy to withdraw my vote given you're quorate without me [11:21] popey: at +0 you are neutral anyhow :) [11:21] well, indeed [11:21] popey: No worries. Although we've reached quorum, your vote isn't blocking. [11:22] we are six here today, with popey [11:22] freeflying: you're at -1, can you please give some suggestions to nick, for things to improve on? [11:22] one negative voting & three +1 can be considered favourable [11:22] freeflying: he has someone here supporting him [11:23] but _paco_ can only support his activity in irc, I have too many this kind users around [11:23] amachu: We've historically required a sufficiency of positive votes, with neutral votes counting essentially against, and only indicating the relative strength of feeling. [11:23] freeflying: what do you mean? [11:24] persia: true [11:24] historically we also dont argue to change each other's minds [11:24] I would like to see the wiki updated positively before giving +1 [11:25] amachu: what would the wiki update /do/ though? [11:25] OK. Let'S call this done. [11:25] lifeless: well, I mean nick need doc more on his wiki, but not only his activity in irc [11:25] elky: actually we've argued since the first meeting [11:25] elky: I'm happy to dig up logs ;P [11:25] * persia supports lifeless's memory, but doesn't consider that a positive thing [11:25] lifeless: we send the membership mail to Ubuntu News Team & so also our list giving reference to the candiadate's wiki.. [11:26] amachu: good point [11:26] persia: I think discussion to seek consensus (which is what I mean) is healthy. [11:26] a less informative wiki, won't appear good in minds of people going through it.. [11:27] lifeless: Put that way, I can't argue :) [11:27] lifeless, offered counter points sure. not argued continually on it [11:27] OK. Anyway, I'm calling this done. [11:27] nick: Thanks a lot for (finally) applying, and at least I'll hope to see you back soon. [11:27] Anyone have anything else to bring before the board? [11:28] nominations i sent to the list [11:28] persia: not here, but I remind myself to reply on nominations to list [11:28] thanks a lot for the recommendations and your help [11:28] nick: hoping to see you soon.. [11:29] <_paco_> w0rd [11:29] nick: hope to see you back soon [11:29] OK. Let's say that everyone who didn't already reply to elky's nominations should do so. [11:29] persia: yes [11:29] Anything else? [11:29] amachu: not from me [11:30] elky: freeflying: lifeless: anything else? [11:30] popey: ? [11:30] amachu: no [11:30] Well.. [11:31] Did nick highlight Wiki pages he was responsible for? [11:31] amachu: I don't have any new business, no. I think we're getting a bit too procedural/nitpicky. Which is a shame. [11:31] I was rummaging round the forums and found plenty of forum posts [11:32] lifeless: didn't get you? [11:33] he's still disagreeing with your penchant for a full wiki i suspect [11:33] Or for asking each member to formally state they have nothing to raise, which I also find unnecessary. [11:33] both in fact [11:34] anyhow, its late; persia has called it, meeting is over;) [11:34] yep [11:34] Right. In the interests of not having the member with the opinion against hardened procedure raise a meta-discussion point about procedure, let's skip that. [11:35] persia: :) [11:35] elky: oh ok. [11:35] nick: As popey noted, please consider adding links to all your wiki work to your personal wiki page as well, as this would add support. [11:35] OK. Meeting Adjourned. [11:35] thank you all. [11:35] thanks [11:35] * persia gives the gavel to amachu for safekeeping until 12th Jaunary [13:00] #startmeeting [13:00] NCommander, There is already a meeting in progress. [13:01] Eventually whoever started that meeting will end it :/ [13:01] #endmeeting [13:01] #startmeeting [13:01] NCommander, There is already a meeting in progress. [13:01] * NCommander grumbles [13:01] In case it was you, try ending :) [13:01] #endmeeting [13:01] Nope [13:02] persia, maybe we should move to #ubuntu-mobile? [13:02] No MootBot there. Just go here. [13:02] persia, it was your last meeting. [13:02] persia, i think that's ours from earlier [13:02] GrueMaster: It wasn't. It's been at least four or five days. [13:02] persia, MootBot is there [13:02] Has been for a long time [13:03] * NCommander has done meetings in that channel before [13:04] elky: we didnt use i earlier [13:04] popey, aha. my mistake. i saw people trying and assumed we did [13:04] NCommander: Yeah, but it doesn't hit the right logs. Just start :) [13:04] * elky goes to grep logs for the culprit [13:04] * persia will go hunt down the culprit [13:04] * persia leaves it to elky [13:05] Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is bjf. <-- is the latest successful i see in backscroll, but my backscroll has gaps [13:05] i'll confirm with my proxy logs :) === NCommander is now known as bjf [13:05] #endmeeting [13:05] Meeting finished at 07:05. === bjf is now known as NCommander [13:05] win [13:05] #startmeeting [13:05] Meeting started at 07:05. The chair is NCommander. [13:05] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:05] heh :) [13:05] :-) [13:06] sneaky [13:06] cook [13:06] cool [13:06] now, someone tell bjf he has a meeting log to process. [13:06] elky: i will do that. heh :) [13:06] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091222 [13:06] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20091222 [13:07] [link] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid-alpha2/report.html [13:07] LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid-alpha2/report.html [13:07] [link] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid/report.html [13:07] LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/lucid/report.html [13:08] who's here? [13:08] Lots of people. Just get on with the agenda :) [13:09] [topic] Action Item Review [13:09] New Topic: Action Item Review [13:09] [topic] asac to approve outstanding liquid specs [13:09] New Topic: asac to approve outstanding liquid specs [13:09] They show up on lucid work items tracker, so I presume that's done. [13:10] [topic] persia to watch the builds and make sure they happen and are testable [13:10] New Topic: persia to watch the builds and make sure they happen and are testable [13:10] They've been working just fine most of the week. Today was a failure, but it's transient (and affects all ports). I'll be digging into it more, and we should be in good shape for tomorrow. [13:11]