[14:53] <tgpraveen> could some one take a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596601
[14:53] <tgpraveen> mac_v: ^^?
[15:43] <darkmatter> yes, please. give us all huge bloated icons that draw our attention to the panel when it needs to be elsewhere :)
[15:50] <tgpraveen> darkmatter: that bug is not about  the panel. and with other themes it looks ok. not bloated
[15:52] <darkmatter> ahh... so stretching the icon to the size of the panel is a 'good' thing.. gotcha.
[16:07] <mac_v> tgpraveen: dont know...
[16:08] <mac_v> tgpraveen: i dont see how it is a theme problem either... its a 16px icon
[16:08] <tgpraveen> try with clearlooks theme
[16:08] <tgpraveen> it looks ok.
[16:08] <mac_v> tgpraveen: so its a gtk theme problem?
[16:09] <darkmatter> thats probably a hack in clearlooks to compensate for the crappy code revisions in na-tray
[16:09] <darkmatter> because the notification area is crap now
[16:11] <mac_v> tgpraveen: bleh... dump totem and use vlc ;)
[16:15] <tgpraveen> mac_v: I use vlc too as a backup. but still gotta love GNOMEish simplicity
[16:15] <mac_v> tgpraveen: hmm , odd... totem uses the larger icons when using gnome theme but for humanity it uses the 16px icon :/
[16:16] <darkmatter> mac_v: and it *is* a tray issue regardless of dev excuses. there are plenty of apps that you can use to prove it. including some of the default gnome tray-huggers. I know, because I intentionally look for interface issues. and 3 icons taking up 100pixels of panel real estate on a 32 pixel panel *is* a gnome problem. not a theme problem
[16:16] <darkmatter> as long as the index.theme has the directories/sizes defined and the symlinks in place it is not a theme issue
[16:17] <_vish> darkmatter: we have all that right ... but totem is crazy :p
[16:17] <darkmatter> yes. yes it is
[16:20] <darkmatter> _vish: even more crazy is having to symlink app pixmaps for the tray because they pack sane sizes, but if you're 'in between' na-tray upscales to the next pixel size. have you ever seen an unscaled 48x78 icon on a 32 pixel panel? it ain't pretty :P
[16:20] <darkmatter> 48x48*
[16:21] <_vish> hehe...
[16:21] <_vish> darkmatter: well now that canonical is trying to fix the tray , it uses only 16px icons so i guess that it is kinda solved ;)
[16:22] <darkmatter> it's a gnome issue. I can reproduce it in the gnome theme by pulling out the 32x32 status icons and rebuilding the cache. scale 'down' my lovelies
[16:22] <_vish> but it will *only* use 16px , so if the panel is larger too it will only be 16px icons ;)
[16:23] <darkmatter> _vish: ahhh.. my long standing dream that I've bitched about endlessly is coming topass?
[16:23] <_vish> darkmatter: http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Having_a_tidy_systray
[16:24] <darkmatter> _vish: yes. it should be 16x16. no scaling up to fit the panel (I dun think anyone uses 120pix panels anymore. do they? ;o). that and please. 6 pix padding between them. split as clickable area between adjacent icons
[16:25] <darkmatter> becaus e otherwise the icons are crammed, and wasting usable space is sinful
[16:26] <_vish> darkmatter: yeah , actually in humanity all the tray icons are actually only 16px icons in 22/24px  ... all the padding is what make it more clean ;)
[16:26] <tgpraveen> darkmatter: then can you please reopen that bug with the relevant commetns as you seem to be better informed on this issue
[16:26] <darkmatter> :O padding! I guess canonical isn't as daft as I had thought :P
[16:27] <_vish> darkmatter: ssshh... not many know we cheated on those icons... ;)
[16:27] <_vish> darkmatter: but good that canonical is actually fixing the notifcation area
[16:27] <darkmatter> hehe
[16:27] <darkmatter> _vish: agreed
[16:29] <darkmatter> _vish: I hack the crap out of icons and .desktop files to make a reasonable impression. it's a pain in the butt. all for a consistent freakin tray. it'll be nice to be able to avoid such evils in the future
[16:31] <darkmatter> because any patch that feeds my laziness I'M TAKING AND YOU CANT STOP ME! xD
[16:33] <_vish> darkmatter: yeah , by Lucid +1 off with notification area :D > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[16:34] <darkmatter> yay! I'm stealing them for my geeko! \o/
[18:20] <nigel_nb> hi, any of the artwork team around? I'm looking for some help :)
[18:21] <nigel_nb> after the UDS-L, there is a plan to have Ubuntu User Days with topics aimed towards users (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam).  Can anyone from the artwork team help us with a logo?
[18:30] <thorwil> hi nigel_nb
[18:30] <nigel_nb> hi thorwil :)
[18:31] <thorwil> nigel_nb: these last days of the year are likely not a good time to ask for something like that
[18:31] <nigel_nb> thorwil: ohhh
[18:31] <thorwil> nigel_nb: but now or later, i suggest you bring it up on the art mailing list
[18:31] <nigel_nb> thorwil: will do, thanks :)
[18:32] <thorwil> you can reach many more people that way
[18:32] <thorwil> nigel_nb: np
[18:33] <nigel_nb> do I need to join before I post?
[18:33] <thorwil> nigel_nb: i think yes. you should for questions, anyway
[18:34] <thorwil> nigel_nb: the list is rather low volume
[18:34] <nigel_nb> joined already, a few 100 mails a day dont make much difference anyway
[18:34] <nigel_nb> after bug squad, I'm game for anything
[18:34] <nigel_nb> ;)
[18:34] <thorwil> heh
[19:17] <thorwil> ouch ouch!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=UbuntuFreeCultureShowcaseLogo_white_100.png
[23:16] <kwwii> ouch indeed