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cjohnstonnigel_nb: ping13:07
cjohnstonmornin13:08
pleia2cjohnston: I take it we're extending the day? :)13:39
cjohnstonYup.13:39
cjohnstonThe guy I just put at 0100 originally agreed to 2300.. he said it was 0400...13:40
cjohnstonmy response was eeeeewwwwwwwww13:40
pleia2ah13:42
cjohnstonI still have two who haven't given me classes13:42
* pleia2 nods13:43
cjohnstonHow you doin?13:43
pleia2turns out I'm having a busy morning at work :)14:28
pleia2you?14:30
pleia2(and why the nick change?)14:30
pleia2cjohnston: can we please use the ubuntu-classroom or ubuntu-learning mailing list?14:39
pleia2I really really REALLY don't think we need another14:39
pleia2this is what -classroom is for :)14:39
pleia2and this new team should be owned by the classroom team14:40
pleia2(I can handle that though)14:40
cjohnstonok14:42
cjohnstonmy thinking was though so that we could email all the instructors.. if they arent all on classroom or learning lists14:43
pleia2they should be :)14:44
pleia2making a mailing list for every group we need to email is kinda insane14:44
cjohnstonunderstand..14:44
cjohnstonpleia2: which one do you want to use, and I will add a link to it on the page asking people to join it? (and do you have the link?)14:49
pleia2I think we should keep using ubuntu-learning14:49
pleia2I've been talking to jorge about phasing out the -classroom list14:50
pleia2(since no one uses it)14:50
cjohnstonok14:50
pleia2ubuntu-learning is where we've had discussions thus far :)14:50
pleia2https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-learning14:50
cjohnstonjust found it.. hehe14:50
pleia2oh, launchpad supports the ability to email everyone in the team w/o a mailing list14:55
pleia2you just don't set a contact14:55
pleia2can you delete the lists you created? it'll be confusing if people try to join them14:55
cjohnstonI hit delete I believe..14:56
cjohnstonI guess its waiting on the system14:56
pleia2ok cool :)14:56
cjohnstonAre the groups setup properly best you can tell?14:57
pleia2yeah, that seems right14:58
pleia2and I added you as an admin on classroom mgmt14:58
cjohnstonty14:58
cjohnstonas admin or just member?14:59
cjohnstoni dont really think it matters..14:59
pleia2sorry, member14:59
pleia2no, doesn't matter really14:59
cjohnston:-)15:00
pleia2it's a "management" team so only folks organizing things there are members anyway15:00
cjohnstonright15:00
cjohnstondid you see I made a team for instructors?15:01
pleia2yep :)15:01
cjohnstonI guess i would need to add you three onto that also to have admin?15:01
pleia2yeah, if you want us to be able to approve new people15:02
cjohnstonok15:02
pleia2I think :)15:02
pleia2lemme see..15:02
cjohnstonI'm trying to make the -team owner of the -instructors..15:02
cjohnstonbut doesnt seem to be working15:03
pleia2ok, if you make the -team an administrator on -instructors it should work15:04
cjohnstonok15:04
pleia2so that members on the team become admins automagically15:04
cjohnstonit wont let me add -team as a member15:05
cjohnstonyou are admin on -inst15:07
cjohnstonmaybe you can figure it out15:07
pleia2oh, you created a project, not a team15:07
pleia2maybe?15:07
cjohnstonhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~user-days-instructors is a team15:07
cjohnstonisnt it15:07
cjohnstonfergot about the coffee i made.. rbbr15:08
cjohnstonbrb too15:08
pleia2we probably should have planned this out first :)15:09
pleia2I think -team should be an administrative member of -instructors15:10
cjohnstonright15:10
cjohnstonI thought I had it figured out.. maybe not15:10
pleia2https://edge.launchpad.net/~user-days-instructors/+members15:11
cjohnstonran into things that didnt do what I thought would do15:11
pleia2add Ubuntu User Days Team as an administrator15:11
pleia2then Ubuntu User Days Team people will be admins of instructors automagically15:12
cjohnstonok.. done15:12
pleia2there we go :)15:12
cjohnstonSo I did it backwards?15:12
pleia2yeah15:13
cjohnston:-x15:13
cjohnstonGood thing I know someone smart15:13
pleia2lol15:13
pleia2launchpad is confusing, I just looked at how other teams do this :)15:14
cjohnstonnow -team says its a subteam of instructors..15:14
pleia2anyway, back to work for me, thanks for getting this rolling15:14
cjohnstonyup15:14
* popey has only just discovered https://edge.launchpad.net/doctemplate15:14
popeywhich is super cool15:14
cjohnstonmornin popey15:14
popeyo/15:14
pleia2oh, maybe -team needs to be the owner15:15
pleia2to avoid that15:15
pleia2actually15:16
cjohnstonok.. owner finally worked15:16
cjohnstonuh oh15:16
pleia2communitycouncil is listed as a subteam of all kinds of things too15:16
pleia2and they aren't actually15:16
* pleia2 shrugs15:16
pleia2lp is confusing :)15:16
pleia2I think this is fine15:16
cjohnstonlmao15:16
cjohnstonWhat is protocol.. add the people who are instructors or let them add themselves?15:16
pleia2maybe moderated approvals?15:17
cjohnstonit is moderated15:17
pleia2people apply, we say "neat, what do you want to teach?"15:17
pleia2then add them if they say something good15:17
pleia2hehe15:17
cjohnstonright.. im talkin about those who are already signed up to teach tho15:17
pleia2oh15:17
pleia2yeah, we should invite them to join the team15:18
cjohnstoninvite meaning? via wiki or via lp by adding them?15:18
cjohnstonsorry.. dont know if there is a right or a wrong and dont want to do wrong15:18
_marx_mailing list15:18
pleia2lp adding15:18
cjohnstonand make people mad15:18
cjohnstonok15:18
cjohnstonhey _marx_15:18
pleia2they have to approve being added anyway :)15:18
_marx_hey15:18
cjohnstonoh they do? ok15:18
pleia2wait, they don't15:18
cjohnstonhow goes _marx_15:19
* cjohnston confused15:19
_marx_cold15:19
pleia2I need to get back to work :(15:19
cjohnstonits 64*!15:19
cjohnstonok pleia215:19
_marx_35 here15:19
pleia2I'd send an email out to everyone asking them to join the ubuntu-learning mailing list and lp team15:19
pleia2er, instructors lp team :)15:19
cjohnstonnow I have to collect email addresses :-P15:20
cjohnstonhehehe15:20
cjohnston_marx_: NC right?15:20
pleia2need them anyway to remind them they applied for a spot that day ;)15:20
_marx_cjohnston: yep15:20
cjohnstonhey my post made it onto planet finally15:20
cjohnstonheh15:20
cjohnston_marx_: my dad got some pictured from the mountain they are on.. i think he said 1 ft snow15:21
cjohnstonsince they are down here for the holidays15:21
_marx_yeah they had a bunch up in the mountains we only had 7" here15:21
cjohnstonmornin Pendulum15:24
cjohnstonAnyone know who nagendra is?15:24
Pendulumhi cjohnston15:24
PendulumUbuntu User Days got mentioned on UUPC :)15:26
cjohnstonnigel_nb: ping15:26
cjohnstonuupc?15:26
Pendulumubuntu uk podcast :)15:27
cjohnstoncool15:27
cjohnstonPendulum: how does the woman stuff? (I don't mean woman stuff like "woman stuff")15:28
Pendulum?15:32
cjohnstonubuntu-women15:33
issyl0Heh15:33
cjohnstonlooks like issyl0 got the joke15:33
cjohnstonhehe15:33
issyl0I did.15:33
issyl0:P15:33
issyl0ahem15:33
cjohnston?15:34
issyl0No worries :)15:34
Pendulumsorry, work stuff is being weird15:35
cjohnstonnp15:36
Pendulum(my jewish boss was unwrapping a package from a customer that was a Bible... we're not sure if it's something that's reference for something we're doing from them or not)15:36
cjohnstonuummmm15:37
cjohnstonlol15:37
_marx_yep that qualifies as weird15:38
Pendulumwell it's a christian company (i don't know if they know she's jewish or not, probably not tbh)15:40
Pendulumbut no explanation, etc., just the book15:40
cjohnstonemail for all.. hehe15:50
Pendulumcjohnston: got sick of the questions about your IRC nick? :P15:58
pleia2Pendulum: I think so, he stopped answering (I asked him this morning why the change ;))15:59
pleia2no response!15:59
cjohnstonPendulum: not yet15:59
Pendulumhaha15:59
cjohnstonyou did? i missed it15:59
PendulumI meant, is that why you changed?15:59
cjohnstono15:59
cjohnstonlol15:59
cjohnstonwell.. its old..15:59
cjohnstonIt should now be ENGPMcJ15:59
Pendulumheh16:00
cjohnstonand then in a year ENGPMRNcJ16:00
cjohnstonlol16:00
Pendulum(and, yes, I managed to decode that)16:00
cjohnstonand maybe one day ENGPMCRNALCPIcJ or something16:00
cjohnstonheh16:00
cjohnstonsince it was basically all the letters after my name, just infront of my name16:01
Pendulumat that point it might as well have been ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWZYZcJ ;)16:03
cjohnstonhehehe16:04
cjohnstonWho is indigo again?16:40
cjohnstonmornin cprofitt16:44
cprofittmorning cjohnston16:44
cjohnstonPendulum: you still around?17:08
cjohnstonor _marx_17:09
cprofittI am here... any assistance I can render?17:09
Pendulumcjohnston: what's up?17:10
cjohnstoncprofitt: i need one of them to test something for me..17:10
cjohnstonPendulum: https://edge.launchpad.net/~user-days-instructors17:10
cjohnstondoes launchpad allow you to approve paul?17:10
cjohnstoncprofitt: did you get my email?17:10
cprofittI believe I did... and responded.17:10
cjohnstonare you indigo?17:10
cprofittyes17:11
Pendulumit looks like it should, shall I go ahead and do so?17:11
cjohnstonyes please17:11
cjohnstonPendulum: I just wanted to make sure it was setup right17:11
cjohnstoncprofitt: ok.. forgot who indigo was17:11
cjohnstonhehe17:11
cprofittindigo196 is the name I used when I was trying to obsfucate my real name...17:11
Pendulumdo you want me to approve cprofitt as well or wait for you to test _marx_ ? ;)17:11
cprofittI was invovled with a SS investigation17:12
cjohnstonif you can do it he can do it17:12
cjohnstonthats right17:12
cjohnstonhehe17:12
cjohnstoni knew I knew who it was, just wasnt able to put irc together with email17:12
cjohnstonheh17:12
cprofittcool.17:12
cprofittI need to sign my messages...17:12
cprofittEvolution does NOT use aliases propoerly IMHO17:12
cjohnstonI need to create a signature17:12
cprofittinstead of responding via the email it was sent to it defaults to the default email account.17:13
cprofittwhich sucks17:13
cjohnstongmail allows me to change it from my default to my ubuntu17:13
cjohnstonthank you Pendulum17:14
cjohnstonjust wanted to make sure it worked17:14
cprofittEvolution in the previous version just used the alias or email that it had received the email on17:14
cjohnstonic17:14
cprofittprobably some minor setting to adjust17:14
cprofitthttp://www.lugor.org/joomla_www/17:14
cjohnstonI havent been able to teach myself to like evolution17:14
cprofittI have been playing with that recently though17:14
cprofittgetting my LUG moved over to something a bit easier.17:15
cprofitthttp://lugor.org/17:15
cprofittthat is the old one...17:15
cjohnstoncprofitt: your class I want to move earlier, not later  :-P17:16
* cjohnston gonna go eat lunch.. or figure out what to eat for lunch..17:18
cjohnstonbbiab17:18
pleia2cprofitt: how are the kiddos? :)17:20
* nigel_nb yawns and waves17:33
nigel_nbcjohnston: you called?17:33
nigel_nbhello pleia2, cprofitt, and Pendulum :)17:35
pleia2nigel_nb: any thoughts on the logo?17:35
Pendulumnigel_nb: I think he then went off for food so not sure he's here17:35
pleia2our schedule is pretty full, I'm thinking we need to start promoting soon! :)17:35
nigel_nbmy alarm kept ringing for like 2 hours, just got up17:35
Pendulumpleia2: we were mentioned on the last UUPC :)17:36
nigel_nbpleia2: gimme time till tonight, I'll try to get something done 2morrow morning17:36
nigel_nbwas busy with office party and stuff17:37
pleia2Pendulum: I saw, that's great :)17:37
pleia2nigel_nb: no rush :) I just wanted to ask17:37
nigel_nbpleia2: I wouldn't have been busy, but I was the guy taking pictures so took hours to process and upload them17:38
pleia2hehe17:38
pleia2I know how that goes :)17:38
nigel_nbits crazy17:39
nigel_nbI clicked 300 photos on each day17:39
nigel_nband there were 2 other cameras which I have to manage 2morrow17:39
nigel_nbclose to 1000 I guess17:39
nigel_nbPendulum: I'm going to need a favor from you17:41
cjohnstonnigel_nb: do you know nagendra?17:42
nigel_nbcjohnston: yep17:42
nigel_nbmailed him today and he's confirmed that he'll take the session17:42
nigel_nbyou want his email id?17:42
cjohnstonhe doesnt have a wiki page, so I couldnt contact him to send him the eMail I sent out today17:43
nigel_nbI'll give u his email17:44
cjohnstonok17:44
Pendulumnigel_nb: what's up?17:45
nigel_nbPendulum: remember the screencasts17:46
Pendulumyes17:46
nigel_nbcan voice over for one more17:46
Pendulumsure17:46
Pendulumi mean, i only have one right now17:46
nigel_nbmaco is kinda busy17:46
Pendulumas long as it doesn't need to be done tonight, i can do it17:47
Pendulum(tonight I go up to my parents' so will be on a train for hours :) )17:47
nigel_nbafter christmas17:47
Pendulumyep17:49
nigel_nbPendulum: I'm hoping that we can get it ready before new year though, possible?17:50
Pendulumtoday's my last day of work until the new year so once the immediately family stuff is done, I shouldn't have a problem :)17:50
nigel_nblucky you17:51
nigel_nbits 11:21 pm, I'm i hour late for work17:51
nigel_nbmy boss still wants me in17:51
nigel_nbwhich means I'll get to work at around 12 am17:51
nigel_nband I'm having a bad headache :(17:51
pleia2aww :(17:52
cjohnstonWe need to work on a design for the wiki page17:53
nigel_nbpleia2: I envy you! You get to work from home, that would have been so awesome17:53
pleia2nigel_nb: yeah, but I don't really get time off for the holidays17:54
nigel_nbpleia2: me neither17:54
pleia2cjohnston: nigel_nb is working on a logo17:54
cjohnstonya17:54
nigel_nbpleia2: I go to church directly from work with ID and all the works17:54
* nigel_nb just made a deal with his boss17:55
nigel_nbI'm going in the morning at 5:30 a.m. instead of night17:55
nigel_nbcjohnston: how bad is this http://www.flickr.com/photos/nigelbabu/4197256675/17:55
nigel_nbpleia2: will elky be free enough to make one for us? I know she's nifty with gimp17:56
cjohnstonnigel_nb: better than I can do17:56
nigel_nbit not a logo, its just text17:57
nigel_nbwe need a picture to go with it17:57
cjohnstonrebooting into winders..17:58
* cjohnston feels dirty17:58
nigel_nbcjohnston: why?17:58
cjohnstonwinders17:58
nigel_nbno, i mean why are you booting into it18:00
cjohnstonsync iphone18:00
nigel_nbah18:01
nigel_nbcjohnston: hw many more people to give us topics?18:10
cjohnston2 i believe18:11
cjohnstonhellow said ask again next week18:11
nigel_nband nhandler_ ?18:12
cjohnstonhavent talked to him18:14
nigel_nbcjohnston: we could ask him to take something to with IRC probably18:14
cjohnstonthats a good idea18:14
nigel_nbhow to behave on IRC or something like that18:14
nigel_nbnhandler: ping18:14
nigel_nbcjohnston: I pinged him here :P18:15
nhandlernigel_nb: That would work18:15
cjohnstonlol18:15
nigel_nbhaha18:15
nigel_nbthats why i pinged here18:15
nhandlernigel_nb: It doesn't really matter where you ping. I see them all ;)18:15
cjohnstonnhandler: nhandler cou couldnt do 2300utc could you?18:15
nigel_nbnhandler: the omnipotent18:16
nhandlercjohnston: What day of the week is this again?18:16
nigel_nbis there a prize for giving inspiration for the most topics (right now my count is 2)18:16
nigel_nbsaturday18:16
nhandlerWhy isn't it on the Fridge?18:16
cjohnstonno fridge access18:17
nhandlerAnd yes, 23:00 should work18:17
cjohnstonheh18:17
cjohnstonwe are trying to secure the schedule.. we talked earler about starting to promote it18:17
nhandlercjohnston: Anyone can add stuff to the fridge calendar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar18:17
cjohnstonhmm18:17
nigel_nbnhandler: the schedule is still tentative18:17
nigel_nbisn't it better until we fixed it permanent and then put it up18:17
nhandlernigel_nb: Yes, but just say Ubuntu User Day Jan X from Y-Z UTC18:18
nigel_nbnhandler: even that is somewhat tentative, if we get more people, we'll extend18:18
cjohnstonadding now18:19
nigel_nbah, good :)18:19
nigel_nboh no, I need to get the logo ready then18:19
nigel_nbcjohnston: I give up, I'm gonna see if any of the art team can help18:21
cjohnstonsounds good18:21
nigel_nbno response18:23
cjohnstonnhandler: how long does it take to appear on fridge?18:23
nigel_nbissyl0: I see that you guys had fun at the meet up :)18:24
nhandlercjohnston: It is there18:24
nigel_nbs/guys/guys and gals ;)18:25
cjohnstonme no see18:25
issyl0:)18:26
nigel_nbcjohnston: okay, the artwork team says "nigel_nb: these last days of the year are likely not a good time to ask for something like that"18:32
cjohnston:-(18:32
nigel_nbdoctormo: how free are you before jan 1?18:38
nigel_nbdoctormo: and hello :)18:38
doctormonigel_nb: Most days are free, and namaste18:39
nigel_nbdoctormo: will you have time to make a logo for the ubuntu user days?18:39
doctormopossible, what kind of logo do you guys need/18:40
doctormo?18:40
nigel_nbsomething to highlight the usr18:40
nigel_nbcjohnston: thoughts ^18:40
doctormonigel_nb: It's very important to get the requirements for the logo, the feel, the ideas and concepts etc.18:42
nigel_nbokay, I'll try18:43
nigel_nbwe need whoever to feel that it is about teaching18:44
nigel_nbabout helping new users18:44
nigel_nbpeople who are lost and need a sense of direction with ubuntu18:44
nigel_nbsomething to highlight that its going to be about using ubuntu (rather than contributing)18:44
nigel_nbpleia2, Pendulum, and cjohnston: I cud use some help here18:45
doctormoBut it's an event logo, rather than the project branding for the learning group sections.18:46
doctormoSo it's got to be a little more exciting, doesn't have to be as descriptive, just nice.18:46
nigel_nbits like the ubuntu open week18:46
nigel_nbthe event will be repeated18:46
Pendulumdoctormo: yeah, it's an event (although hopefully will be a repeated one), aimed at new users18:50
Pendulumspecifically aimed at home-users (not business although there's been discussion that maybe some day we'll do one for businesses)18:51
nigel_nbthanks Pendulum, I was running out of description18:56
Pendulumdoctormo: what else do you need to know?18:59
cjohnstonnigel_nb: im not good at stuff like that19:33
cjohnstonheh19:33
cjohnstonnot artistic at all19:33
nigel_nbcjohnston: I hope the doc got enough ideas from me and Pendulum19:34
nigel_nbwhere's lyz anyway, haven't seen her response19:34
cjohnstonheh19:34
cjohnstonshes workin19:34
pleia2at the car shop actually, my poor car19:37
* nigel_nb is shocked19:37
nigel_nbu can respond from the carshop?19:38
pleia2passenger side window fell off track while i was out grabbing lunch19:38
cjohnston3;3ouch19:38
nigel_nboops, thats bad19:38
pleia2i am on my phone19:38
nigel_nbirssi?19:38
pleia2yeah, this is going to be expensive19:38
pleia2nigel_nb: yeah19:38
* cjohnston wants to figure out how to make irssi a proxy19:38
nigel_nball you geeks :P19:39
cjohnstonuh huh19:39
cjohnstonand?19:39
nigel_nbpleia2: you're taking the car with you?19:39
nigel_nbto CA19:39
pleia2nigel_nb: nope19:40
nigel_nbpleia2: so its not worth the trouble either.19:41
nigel_nbget a motorbike and some warm clothes :P19:41
pleia2hah, no19:41
nigel_nb;) try it Ca though, faster to rush through traffic..haha19:43
pleia2me ex-husband was in chronic pain from a bike accident when he was young19:44
pleia2has a fake hip19:45
pleia2so, yeah, no thanks :)19:45
nigel_nbpleia2: far too scared19:45
nigel_nbits time i took a photo of my bike and put it up19:45
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Pendulumnigel_nb: can you send me the link for that other screencast? (either now or tomorrow)20:30
nigel_nbPendulum: will do20:32
nigel_nblemme hunt my logs for them20:32
nigel_nbPendulum: which one did I give you earlier? IRC with web or pidgin?20:34
Pendulumweb20:35
nigel_nbPendulum: http://rapidshare.com/files/318258862/IRCwithPidgin.mpeg20:36
Pendulumok, will grab it later20:37
Pendulumthanks :)20:37
nigel_nbPendulum: if u cant download it lemme know20:37
cjohnstonI need to go pick up the kiddies.. bbl20:39
nigel_nblater cjohnston :)20:39
Pendulumwell it said right now that there were too many free downloaders trying to download, but i'm also at work so it's better that i try it tonight anyway20:40
nigel_nbi'll upload it elsewhere even p o p e y had the same problem20:40
_marx_nigel_nb: i'll have you another one in a bit20:43
nigel_nb_marx_: yaay! :)20:43
* _marx_ been dealing w/govnt bureaucracy most of the day20:44
nigel_nb_marx_: something to do with getting something done?20:45
nigel_nbI'm guess snow?20:45
_marx_nigel_nb: i also found a nice perl script that clears a users /home very handy to keep a fresh setup20:45
_marx_nah appealing property tax evaluation20:46
nigel_nb_marx_: now thats awesome20:46
nigel_nb_marx_: even worse20:46
_marx_i'll pack up the bits and pieces of that perl and send them to you20:47
nigel_nb:)20:47
_marx_it was in this issue of linux pro mag...20:47
_marx_http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Issues/2009/10720:47
* nigel_nb goes to read the mag20:49
_marx_the reboot/restore article, not available online that i could find20:49
nigel_nbche20:50
nigel_nbshucks20:50
Pendulumnigel_nb: i'm heading out. i'll be on either really late for me tonight or tomorrow21:10

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