=== Seeker` is now known as Seeker === Seeker is now known as Seeker` === swoody_ is now known as swoody === asac_ is now known as asac === ArneGoet1e is now known as ArneGoetje === The_Toxic_Mite__ is now known as The_Toxic_Mite === Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === The_Toxic_Mite is now known as The_Toxic_Elf === The_Toxic_Elf is now known as The_Toxic_Mite [14:00] anyone here for the server team meeting ? [14:00] /o/ [14:00] * jjohansen waves [14:00] o/ [14:01] ok, let's make it quick :) [14:02] mathiaz: kirkland was the designated scribe but is in vacation -- you should scribe it as the next in line, and kirkland will replace you as the scribe for next week [14:02] mathiaz: does that work ? [14:02] * mathiaz nods [14:02] #startmeeting [14:02] Meeting started at 08:02. The chair is ttx. [14:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:02] yay Mootbot [14:02] Agenda @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [14:03] We won't review the ACTIONs from last meeting since all actionmen are away [14:03] [TOPIC] Check blueprint status and progress for the week [14:03] New Topic: Check blueprint status and progress for the week [14:03] we'll just review the ones assigned to people that are around... [14:04] server-lucid-eucalyptus-karmic-retrospective [14:04] 75% done, on track [14:04] server-lucid-eucalyptus-merging-and-packaging [14:04] 79% done, on track [14:04] server-lucid-seeds [14:05] mathiaz ^ [14:05] ttx: where is the burndown chart? (ie the url where you get the list of bp) [14:05] ttx: I've reviewed the feedback [14:05] http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid-alpha2/report.html [14:05] LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid-alpha2/report.html [14:05] ttx: and identified items that need more discussion - I plan to send a specific email for each of them after the vacation [14:06] ttx: to maximise the feedback we can get [14:06] ok, still on track ? [14:06] ttx: yes [14:06] server-lucid-euca-remote-autoregister (ttx) [14:06] 50% done, slightly slowed down by 1.6.2 integration work, on track [14:06] server-lucid-uec-testing (mathiaz) [14:06] ttx: still working on it [14:07] ttx: I'm refining some of the WI while doing the testing as well [14:07] mathiaz: The 19% completion rate is slightly alarming [14:07] ttx: that's why the WI haven't been finished [14:07] ttx: right - most of them are actually workinprogress [14:07] ttx: and they will be knocked down at the same time [14:07] ok, so you're confident you can still make alpha2 with this ? [14:08] ttx: yes [14:08] ok, the other specs are assigned to absent people [14:08] so we'll skip them [14:08] [TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs [14:08] New Topic: Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs [14:08] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html [14:08] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html [14:09] nothing to do... Same remarks as last week. [14:09] Skipping "Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)" since soren is away [14:09] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:09] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:09] jjohansen: howdy [14:09] hey [14:10] jjohansen: anything specific for us on this holiday season ? [14:10] no, nothing I can think of. [14:10] jjohansen: I send an email to the kernel-team with regard to the kernel-package [14:10] jjohansen: I'll bring your attention to bug 499785 [14:10] Launchpad bug 499785 in linux "nic-usb-modules should include asix" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499785 [14:10] jjohansen: it's in main and we're looking into dropping into universe [14:11] We'll need that support to test on our UEC/laptops env [14:11] jjohansen: IIRC tim already replied [14:11] ah, I hadn't seen it yet [14:11] jjohansen: can you make sure that this bug gets attention ? [14:11] yes [14:12] jjohansen: cool, thx [14:12] jjohansen: Subject: Re: kernel-package compatible with Ubuntu kernels? [14:12] * nealmcb wakes up and looks around at the server team [14:12] nealmcb: o/ [14:12] jjohansen: I think we'll move the package to universe [14:12] that's all from me [14:13] ok, let's move on then :) [14:13] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [14:13] New Topic: Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [14:13] bug 128612 [14:13] Launchpad bug 128612 in samba "Segfault in Samba installing a printer on a client" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128612 [14:13] ^^ is the only nomination in the queue [14:13] for dapper [14:13] this one is a recent statusfix [14:14] it's been fixed forever... doesn't mean the nomination isn't valid, just taht it was nominated 2 years ago [14:14] ok - declining then [14:14] yes [14:14] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:14] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:15] there is bug 489418 [14:15] Launchpad bug 489418 in krb5 "Strange behavior of libkrb5 since karmic ..." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489418 [14:15] Importance:Undecided ? [14:15] * ttx only looks at High :) [14:16] ttx: agreed [14:16] mathiaz: sounds like a good candidate [14:16] well, I also look at Medium [14:16] and Critical. [14:17] ttx: well the bug is already open for karmic [14:17] ttx: I'll set to high [14:17] ok. [14:17] the rest is not relevant imho [14:18] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:18] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:18] I need to refine the information on this list [14:18] it's not very usefull as of now [14:19] that's all for the SRU review [14:19] ok, thx [14:19] [TOPIC] January 6 meeting [14:19] New Topic: January 6 meeting [14:19] So the first meeting in January will have a heavy agenda [14:20] We want to discuss some specs that were not targeted to alpha2, specifically: [14:20] server-lucid-aws-client-libraries (mathiaz) [14:20] server-lucid-asterisk-integration (dyfet, Daviey) [14:20] server-lucid-cluster-stack (RoakSoax, ivoks) [14:20] lucid-serverguide (sommer) [14:20] server-lucid-contextualization (stgraber) [14:20] server-lucid-papercuts (ttx) [14:20] to see what can be included in the lucid roadmap, and get community comments o nthem [14:20] * Daviey is happy with that :) [14:21] please be there ! [14:21] thanks :) [14:21] ttx: ^^ this is a list of blueprint that still need to be discussed? [14:21] ttx: some other blueprints (like server-lucid-idmgmt-*) haven't been targeted for alpha-2 [14:22] ttx: and they don't appear on the list above [14:22] mathiaz: this is a list of blueprints for which we need some input from the team to decide/continue [14:22] ttx: what's the plan with these? [14:22] mathiaz: it's mostly a resource issue, not a technical/consensus one [14:22] mathiaz: so it depends on what we keep from the global list [14:23] the list is the oens where the community is involved, one way or another [14:23] for example, for server-lucid-papercuts we need to discuss the process [14:23] for server-lucid-aws-client-libraries we need to define the most important targets [14:24] for server-lucid-cluster-stack we need some goals for lucid [14:24] etc. [14:24] ttx: does this mean that the server-lucid-idmgmt-* bp don't need any discussion? [14:24] mathiaz: no, it means that the spec is sufficiently defined to reach a decision [14:24] ttx: ok [14:24] doesn't prevent to discuss it :) [14:25] the list is the ones where we need community input to make progress [14:25] that should be an interesting meeting, be sure to be there :) [14:25] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [14:25] New Topic: Open Discussion [14:25] * ttx opens the bar [14:26] * mathiaz rushes to get some schnaps [14:26] anything / anyone ? [14:27] everyone is already drunk or what [14:27] moving on... [14:27] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time [14:27] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time [14:27] We'll skip the last meeting of the year... [14:27] so the next meeting will be the famous January 6 meeting. [14:28] same place same time... [14:28] If you can't make it, feel free to send your cmments to the ML [14:28] so that we take them into account during the meeting [14:29] comments ? [14:29] happy xmas :) [14:29] yes :) [14:29] thanks everyone for being here today :) [14:29] #endmeeting [14:29] Meeting finished at 08:29. [14:30] ttx: thanks [14:30] thanks [14:30] yes [14:30] less than 30 min [14:30] :) [14:30] Have nice holidays everyone [14:30] thanks - take care! [14:31] mathiaz: when you update the agenda, set kirkland as the next scribe and move the jan6 section to the agenda, thx [14:31] ttx: sure === The_Toxic_Mite_ is now known as The_Toxic_Mite === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:58] hi [15:59] hey james_w [15:59] hi mvo, how's it going? [15:59] heya [16:00] james_w: good! I'm already in best christmas moot :) [16:00] hey tremolux! [16:00] hi mvo! :)( [16:00] :) [16:01] * slangasek waves [16:01] evand, Keybuk, doko_: around? [16:01] yes [16:01] hi [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is james_w. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:01] Hi [16:02] Hi everyone, welcome to the Foundations Team meeting [16:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1223 <- Agenda [16:02] first up is the lightning round [16:02] mvo: would you like to start, then tag the next person when you are done? [16:02] ok [16:03] I am working apt merges with debian and with fixes/improvements there [16:03] I merged the apt history branch that should give us more accurate logging - it contained a hidden abi break that I overlooked, sorry for that [16:03] I also work on software-center, mostly search improvements and subcategory stuff [16:04] * mvo hands over to tremolux [16:04] This week I'm working on some UI fixes in Software Center [16:04] I have a branch that will be ready to send over to mvo later today [16:04] Other than that, I'll be working on bug triage and fixes for software-center and update-manager [16:04] And holidaying [16:04] * mvo should add that the abi break was undone via the upload today [16:04] :D [16:05] * mvo hugs tremolux for that! [16:05] go slangasek [16:05] I spent some time last week / this week getting the machine-readable copyright spec unwedged in Debian [16:05] so that we might be able to take it from draft to candidate status in time for lucid [16:06] (finally!) [16:06] * slangasek tags james_w [16:06] I have mainly been working on the bzr importer, trying to work out why it is so taxing on codehosting now, I have a theory, but it will be a bunch of coding to fix [16:07] We also have agreement with the bzr team what they will focus on for their "lucid" release, and then what after that [16:07] evand: tag, you're it [16:10] doko_: want to go next? [16:11] still some ARM work, but it's getting to somewhere, both for lucid and lucid+1 === evand_ is now known as ev [16:11] GCC-4.5 packaged, would like to prepare for a test rebuild in Jan with cjohnston and bigjools [16:12] plus OpenJDK (6 & 7) updates, and setting up/reinstalling two server machines [16:13] welcome back ev, do you have a contribution for the lightning round? [16:13] ? [16:13] Working on solving a hosts race between ubiquity and NM from karmic. Merging keyboad guessing and NM config copying. Will be working on jockey integration after the holiday. [16:15] Keybuk? [16:15] new mountall should fix all the bugs, and implements the plymouth switch and friendlier recovery stuff [16:16] working on the plumbing layer performance; switching to devtmpfs looks like a WIN (reduces overlap with X), next up profiling udev, etc. [16:16] also working on plymouth still since that's got to fit in there somewhere === mac_v is now known as _vish [16:16] that's it isn't it? :p [16:16] excellent, thanks all [16:17] [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:17] New Topic: Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:17] I couldn't see any [16:17] [TOPIC] Platform sprint [16:17] New Topic: Platform sprint [16:17] Please ensure you have booked your travel and updated the wiki page if you are going [16:19] [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:19] New Topic: Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:19] I don't know of anything for this item. slangasek: do you? [16:19] I could get some in early ;) [16:20] don't know of any yet [16:20] Keybuk: tell me after the holiday ;) [16:21] [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs [16:21] New Topic: Milestoned bugs [16:21] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=1326 [16:21] there's no bugs listed [16:21] the page doesn't tell me what milestone it is though [16:22] * slangasek scratches his head. 1326? [16:23] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/lucid-alpha-2 [16:23] that has plenty of things on it though [16:23] lucid-alpha-2 should be: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone=21444 [16:23] thanks [16:23] remember to move bugs on and off that list as appropriate [16:24] remember to fix the bugs on that list! :) [16:24] I see a few things on there for us [16:25] [TOPIC] Targeted bugs [16:25] New Topic: Targeted bugs [16:25] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs [16:25] Plenty on there already if you are looking for something to do :-) [16:25] or you could work on... [16:25] [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue [16:25] New Topic: Sponsorship Queue [16:25] http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ [16:25] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ [16:26] there's quite a bunch of proposed patches for main [16:26] * james_w hasn't done any in the last week, so isn't going to start that discussion :-) [16:26] inded [16:26] I shall make some time to do some of them [16:26] so if you all could have a look and either reject the patches (and get them off the list) or upload them if they're good, I (and the patch authors) would very much appreciate it :) [16:27] now's probably the best time to get most of the stuff integrated :) [16:27] [TOPIC] Any business from activity reports [16:27] New Topic: Any business from activity reports [16:27] I didn't see anything, did I miss something? [16:28] not from me [16:28] I assume there is no release meeting this week? [16:30] nope :) [16:30] nor next week [16:30] cool [16:30] [TOPIC] Select chair for next meeting [16:30] New Topic: Select chair for next meeting [16:30] this will be in two weeks time [16:31] any volunteers? [16:31] I think you scared them [16:31] I'll do it. [16:32] great, thanks evand [16:32] which brings us to === evand is now known as ev [16:32] [TOPIC] Good news [16:32] New Topic: Good news [16:32] anyone have any? [16:33] I don't even have any SNOW, let alone Good News :'( [16:33] I met a girl who sang the blues and I asked her for some happy news, but she just smiled and turned away [16:34] Got qt4-x11 stood up on ia64 and slangasek gave us a fix for powerpc we just need to integrate. [16:34] That's good news. [16:35] my boot time is < 60seconds, that's good news to me :) [16:35] we did slip under 17.5s on max yesterday [16:35] which is HALF WAY THERE! [16:40] [TOPIC] AOB [16:40] New Topic: AOB [16:40] anyone with anything else to say? [16:40] Merry Christmas! [16:41] It's not Christmas yet [16:41] :( [16:42] almost! [16:47] ok, thanks everyone [16:47] have a good break and see you in two weeks [16:47] #endmeeting [16:47] Meeting finished at 10:47. [16:48] have fun everybody! [16:49] * slangasek waves [16:49] bye [16:49] Thanks! [16:49] Have a lovely holiday === _vish is now known as \vish [18:17] Edubuntu meeting now? [18:18] sbalneav: i think it's in 45 minutes. [18:18] Ah, did it change from 1800 utc to 1900? [18:20] sbalneav, yes it did ;) [18:23] huh, was there an email, or did I just miss it when it was organized in the irc channel? [18:23] Ah, see the email [18:23] what's it doing in -dev? [18:23] Should be in -users === DJones_ is now known as DJones === dholbach is now known as dholbach-gone [18:58] back [19:00] * stgraber waves [19:00] Edubuntu meeting time !! [19:00] hi all! [19:00] * sbalneav gives secret masonic handshake [19:00] highvoltage, nixternal: ping [19:01] Present [19:01] looks like we're missing Jordan Erickson to have all of the council in attendance [19:02] anyway, I'm really glad that we finally got that done so we can focus on Lucid now. [19:02] Congratulations to all the new members ! [19:02] Soooooo.... just out of curiousity, did everyone on the council vote? [19:02] stgraber: pong [19:02] stgraber: yes \o/ [19:03] wheeha [19:03] I'm also surprised that everyone unanynously voted yes [19:03] I'd think so, we had 6 nominee and each receive 6 votes :) [19:03] so it looks like all of the current council members voted for everyone :) [19:03] I was the slightest bit worried that I might get a "no" but it didn't happen [19:03] * alkisg wonders what the other edubuntu members voted... :D [19:04] I'm not sure how mootbot works but I guess we should fire him up [19:04] MootBot: start meeting [19:04] Just before we start, I've something scheduled in an hour, so I hope we'll be able to make that meeting fit in the one hour timeslot [19:04] #startmeeting [19:04] Meeting started at 13:04. The chair is stgraber. [19:04] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:04] ah right [19:05] Meeting agenda is available at: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda [19:05] I guess we more or less covered the New Edubuntu Council, for those who missed the election results: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1961 [19:06] So, just for the record, the new council is made of: Alkis Georgopoulos, Jonathan Carter, Jordan Erickson, Richard Johnson, Scott Balneaves and myself. [19:06] which is something like half of edubuntu-members (I hope we'll get more members there soon !) ;) [19:07] do we want to discuss the role of the EC tonight? [19:07] we probably can talk about it for up to 10min or so [19:08] "Doing everything" [19:08] discussed :) [19:08] ok great [19:08] ;) [19:08] the others meetings item should go quite fast as it's basically discussing and distributing tasks for Lucid :) [19:08] so we can move on to technical aspect [19:08] I have 2 things for the agenda, putting my name forward. [19:09] Just so that everyone is aware of it, Jonathan and I are marked as release contact for Edubuntu [19:09] so the release team will poke one of us when a new release is coming (alpha, beta, rc, final) to know if we're ready to release and get release information (announcement, notes) [19:09] (I'm taking notes for the list so if I take a few seconds longer to reply than usual, that's why) [19:10] The scripts that LaserJock poked at to make the dvd, do they run automatically? Or do we have to do something? [19:10] at the time, the release team asked, the new council wasn't voted yet, so having both of us made the most sense at the time. I still think it does as we're the ones who already did part of that work in the past but feel free to help anyway :) [19:10] yes, they're run once a day [19:10] and I get the output by mail in the morning [19:11] so each day I know if something failed and can tweak the seeds and meta to fix if something is broken (didn't have to do that yet though) [19:11] I guess it would be too excessive to make them go to edubuntu-devel [19:11] I expect that I'll have to poke at that soon to make Live LTSP working [19:11] yeah, you don't want that on edubuntu-devel, most of the days it's just an empty report [19:12] stgraber: could you give us a few more details about how's this going to work? [19:12] and I'm also getting something similar for Ubuntu itself so I can easily see if something is Edubuntu-specific or not [19:12] stgraber: did you get a responce from cjwatson? [19:13] looks like we're moving to the technical part of the meeting, so let's go :) [19:13] first part is Live LTSP [19:13] the idea is to have a working LTSP server right from the Live CD [19:13] that means having the necessary packages on the DVD (but not installed) [19:13] and a chroot built in Canonical DC and put on the DVD [19:14] then a script or nice GUI to install these packages + configure them in the Live environment (that'd have to be manually trigerred by the user) [19:14] then we'll need an installer hook to copy the LTSP installation to the destination system if wanted [19:15] there's a few points I don't know how to achieve, I sent an e-mail to Collin about it on Monday but I suspect he's on holiday [19:15] yo yo [19:15] for these of you interested in that, I'm happy to forward you the e-mail I sent to Collin (that's basically a more detailed description of what I just said) [19:15] I have 2 objections to the Live LTSP, but I register them NOT as something to block it's progress, since this seems to be what people want, but, in the interests of going on the record.... [19:15] stgraber: please do :) [19:16] stgraber: I'm wondering whether the installer hook is really all that important for lucid. it would be nice, but if it turns out to be a lot of work and hard to achieve then we could also add a menu entry for the installed system that says something like "Activate LTSP" that would pop up a gui that either installs LTSP from the Edubuntu DVD or from scratch. not sure how you feel about that? [19:16] 1) It's going to use a lot of space on the DVD that could be used for either langpacks, which brings edubuntu to a wider audience, or could be used for more softaware/content (i.e. moodle plus course content) [19:17] highvoltage: I'm waiting on Collin's answer for that, but it's clearly an option indeed. [19:18] 1) We currently have more than the 300MB I need fo LTSP on the DVD, also, I plan to drop the Desktop from the Alternate installer if we need to get more space. Everything will then be installable from the live environment. [19:18] 2) The performance is going to suck, and some people may draw inferences between what a livecd gives them versus a "real" ltsp install, performance wise (i.e. "eugh, this sucks we can't run a lab like this") [19:18] hmm, that looks like 3 :) [19:19] 2) That's indeed an issue, though having tested reading the chroot from a DVD, it's not that bad actually. We'll need to make that clear in the tool though. [19:19] oh that's stgraber, my bad [19:19] sbalneav: how bad will the performance be? will it at least be manageable for a demo of sorts and not for typical use? [19:19] I'm merely playing devil's advocate :) [19:19] stgraber: I am guessing the LTSP Live would be for demos? [19:19] assuming rather [19:19] the main use case is for demo/training and release parties. And I noticed a quick important interest for that (at UDS mostly) [19:19] nixternal: yep [19:19] groovy [19:19] sbalneav: I like you playing the devil's advocate === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:19] sbalneav: because other people are going to ask these same questions [19:20] I think if the server has enough RAM, and it caches everything after a few minutes of usage, it'll go pretty well... [19:20] sbalneav: would it be feasable at least for demos and such? [19:20] usable is probably the better word [19:20] Well, so long as people understand they're trying to boot 30 workstations off a device that's a couple of orders of magnatude slower than a hard disk, it's fine, for demo/testing purposes [19:20] I guess the important part here is the wording used in the tool you'll use to start the LTSP server. [19:20] I guess the 300MB part is small enough to cache in a tmpfs in most situations [19:20] if we make it clear it's for demo, it's not perfectly secure (we'll have some SSH issue for sure with the DVD) and performance are decreased. It'll be fine. [19:21] But we KNOW a certain percentage are going to draw performance conclusions about LTSP off of the live cd performance. And in that way, we may be hurting ourselves. [19:21] But, I guess we won't know until we try, so, carry on seargent major :) [19:21] sbalneav: with the same logic, live dvds shouldn't exist :) [19:21] we could check how much ram is available and if it's more than 1GB or so we copy the squashfs to the chroot. it will help save at least some cd-rom disc access, and speed up booting substantially [19:21] (I'm playing the opposite devil :D) [19:21] sbalneav: I guess the number of users that'll complain will be lower than the number we'll introduce to LTSP through that. [19:21] also, people could be encouraged to write it to a USB hard disk for better performance [19:22] That's fine, like I say, my objecttions are purely academic in nature. [19:22] I think the type of people who would want to demo a Live LTSP setup are sensible enough to understand that it would be slow from DVD [19:22] I'd also like to see some real life tests, and see how slow/fast it would actually be [19:23] anyway, that's clearly something I'd like for Lucid and I'm going to invest time into that (well, Revolution Linux will ;)), we can still drop it later if we find it's been a mistake but I doubt we'll :) [19:23] It'll also be used to test client hardware compatibility, which is difficult to test otherwise. [19:23] Well, yeah, but if you hang around #ubuntu for an hour you'll see things like "I just tried the live cd on my single-spin cdrom, why's it so slow? I thought linux was fast wahh wahh" etc. :) [19:23] alkisg: indeed, that's a good usecase too. [19:23] But like I say, lets try it and see [19:24] cool, next up is the Edubuntu menu editor [19:24] So long as we go into it with eyes wide [Open|Shut] :) [19:24] we wrote a spec about it at: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Specifications/EdubuntuLucidMenuEditor [19:24] and have a LP project here: https://launchpad.net/menueditor [19:24] mgariepy started working on it and has at least the UI ready (not sure how much of the backend/xdg is done yet) [19:25] want me to do a quick intro or are you reading through the spec ? [19:25] mgariepy: are you shooting to have it in for Lucid? [19:25] * nixternal was reading the spec [19:25] mgariepy: around ? [19:25]