[14:00] <ttx> anyone here for the server team meeting ?
[14:00] <mathiaz> /o/
[14:00]  * jjohansen waves
[14:00] <alexm> o/
[14:01] <ttx> ok, let's make it quick :)
[14:02] <ttx> mathiaz: kirkland was the designated scribe but is in vacation -- you should scribe it as the next in line, and kirkland will replace you as the scribe for next week
[14:02] <ttx> mathiaz: does that work ?
[14:02]  * mathiaz nods
[14:02] <ttx> #startmeeting
[14:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:02. The chair is ttx.
[14:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:02] <ttx> yay Mootbot
[14:02] <ttx> Agenda @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[14:03] <ttx> We won't review the ACTIONs from last meeting since all actionmen are away
[14:03] <ttx> [TOPIC] Check blueprint status and progress for the week
[14:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Check blueprint status and progress for the week
[14:03] <ttx> we'll just review the ones assigned to people that are around...
[14:04] <ttx> server-lucid-eucalyptus-karmic-retrospective
[14:04] <ttx>  	75% done, on track
[14:04] <ttx> server-lucid-eucalyptus-merging-and-packaging
[14:04] <ttx> 79% done, on track
[14:04] <ttx> server-lucid-seeds
[14:05] <ttx> mathiaz ^
[14:05] <mathiaz> ttx: where is the burndown chart? (ie the url where you get the list of bp)
[14:05] <mathiaz> ttx: I've reviewed the feedback
[14:05] <ttx> http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid-alpha2/report.html
[14:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid-alpha2/report.html
[14:05] <mathiaz> ttx: and identified items that need more discussion - I plan to send a specific email for each of them after the vacation
[14:06] <mathiaz> ttx: to maximise the feedback we can get
[14:06] <ttx> ok, still on track ?
[14:06] <mathiaz> ttx: yes
[14:06] <ttx> server-lucid-euca-remote-autoregister (ttx)
[14:06] <ttx> 50% done, slightly slowed down by 1.6.2 integration work, on track
[14:06] <ttx> server-lucid-uec-testing (mathiaz)
[14:06] <mathiaz> ttx: still working on it
[14:07] <mathiaz> ttx: I'm refining some of the WI while doing the testing as well
[14:07] <ttx> mathiaz: The 19% completion rate is slightly alarming
[14:07] <mathiaz> ttx: that's why the WI haven't been finished
[14:07] <mathiaz> ttx: right - most of them are actually workinprogress
[14:07] <mathiaz> ttx: and they will be knocked down at the same time
[14:07] <ttx> ok, so you're confident you can still make alpha2 with this ?
[14:08] <mathiaz> ttx: yes
[14:08] <ttx> ok, the other specs are assigned to absent people
[14:08] <ttx> so we'll skip them
[14:08] <ttx> [TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs
[14:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs
[14:08] <ttx> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:09] <ttx> nothing to do... Same remarks as last week.
[14:09] <ttx> Skipping "Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)" since soren is away
[14:09] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:09] <ttx> jjohansen: howdy
[14:09] <jjohansen> hey
[14:10] <ttx> jjohansen: anything specific for us on this holiday season ?
[14:10] <jjohansen> no, nothing I can think of.
[14:10] <mathiaz> jjohansen: I send an email to the kernel-team with regard to the kernel-package
[14:10] <ttx> jjohansen: I'll bring your attention to bug 499785
[14:10] <mathiaz> jjohansen: it's in main and we're looking into dropping into universe
[14:11] <ttx> We'll need that support to test on our UEC/laptops env
[14:11] <mathiaz> jjohansen: IIRC tim already replied
[14:11] <jjohansen> ah, I hadn't seen it yet
[14:11] <ttx> jjohansen: can you make sure that this bug gets attention ?
[14:11] <jjohansen> yes
[14:12] <ttx> jjohansen: cool, thx
[14:12] <mathiaz> jjohansen: Subject: Re: kernel-package compatible with Ubuntu kernels?
[14:12]  * nealmcb wakes up and looks around at the server team
[14:12] <ttx> nealmcb: o/
[14:12] <mathiaz> jjohansen: I think we'll move the package to universe
[14:12] <mathiaz> that's all from me
[14:13] <ttx> ok, let's move on then :)
[14:13] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz)
[14:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review (mathiaz)
[14:13] <mathiaz> bug 128612
[14:13] <mathiaz> ^^ is the only nomination in the queue
[14:13] <mathiaz> for dapper
[14:13] <ttx> this one is a recent statusfix
[14:14] <ttx> it's been fixed forever... doesn't mean the nomination isn't valid, just taht it was nominated 2 years ago
[14:14] <mathiaz> ok - declining then
[14:14] <ttx> yes
[14:14] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:15] <mathiaz> there is bug 489418
[14:15] <ttx> Importance:Undecided ?
[14:15]  * ttx only looks at High :)
[14:16] <mathiaz> ttx: agreed
[14:16] <ttx> mathiaz: sounds like a good candidate
[14:16] <ttx> well, I also look at Medium
[14:16] <ttx> and Critical.
[14:17] <mathiaz> ttx: well the bug is already open for karmic
[14:17] <mathiaz> ttx: I'll set to high
[14:17] <ttx> ok.
[14:17] <ttx> the rest is not relevant imho
[14:18] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:18] <mathiaz> I need to refine the information on this list
[14:18] <mathiaz> it's not very usefull as of now
[14:19] <mathiaz> that's all for the SRU review
[14:19] <ttx> ok, thx
[14:19] <ttx> [TOPIC] January 6 meeting
[14:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  January 6 meeting
[14:19] <ttx> So the first meeting in January will have a heavy agenda
[14:20] <ttx> We want to discuss some specs that were not targeted to alpha2, specifically:
[14:20] <ttx> server-lucid-aws-client-libraries (mathiaz)
[14:20] <ttx> server-lucid-asterisk-integration (dyfet, Daviey)
[14:20] <ttx> server-lucid-cluster-stack (RoakSoax, ivoks)
[14:20] <ttx> lucid-serverguide (sommer)
[14:20] <ttx> server-lucid-contextualization (stgraber)
[14:20] <ttx> server-lucid-papercuts (ttx)
[14:20] <ttx> to see what can be included in the lucid roadmap, and get community comments o nthem
[14:20]  * Daviey is happy with that :)
[14:21] <ttx> please be there !
[14:21] <nealmcb> thanks :)
[14:21] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ this is a list of blueprint that still need to be discussed?
[14:21] <mathiaz> ttx: some other blueprints (like server-lucid-idmgmt-*) haven't been targeted for alpha-2
[14:22] <mathiaz> ttx: and they don't appear on the list above
[14:22] <ttx> mathiaz: this is a list of blueprints for which we need some input from the team to decide/continue
[14:22] <mathiaz> ttx: what's the plan with these?
[14:22] <ttx> mathiaz: it's mostly a resource issue, not a technical/consensus one
[14:22] <ttx> mathiaz: so it depends on what we keep from the global list
[14:23] <ttx> the list is the oens where the community is involved, one way or another
[14:23] <ttx> for example, for server-lucid-papercuts we need to discuss the process
[14:23] <ttx> for server-lucid-aws-client-libraries we need to define the most important targets
[14:24] <ttx> for server-lucid-cluster-stack we need some goals for lucid
[14:24] <ttx> etc.
[14:24] <mathiaz> ttx: does this mean that the server-lucid-idmgmt-* bp don't need any discussion?
[14:24] <ttx> mathiaz: no, it means that the spec is sufficiently defined to reach a decision
[14:24] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[14:24] <ttx> doesn't prevent to discuss it :)
[14:25] <ttx> the list is the ones where we need community input to make progress
[14:25] <ttx> that should be an interesting meeting, be sure to be there :)
[14:25] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[14:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[14:25]  * ttx opens the bar
[14:26]  * mathiaz rushes to get some schnaps
[14:26] <ttx> anything / anyone ?
[14:27] <ttx> everyone is already drunk or what
[14:27] <ttx> moving on...
[14:27] <ttx> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[14:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[14:27] <ttx> We'll skip the last meeting of the year...
[14:27] <ttx> so the next meeting will be the famous January 6 meeting.
[14:28] <ttx> same place same time...
[14:28] <ttx> If you can't make it, feel free to send your cmments to the ML
[14:28] <ttx> so that we take them into account during the meeting
[14:29] <ttx> comments ?
[14:29] <alexm> happy xmas :)
[14:29] <ttx> yes :)
[14:29] <ttx> thanks everyone for being here today :)
[14:29] <ttx> #endmeeting
[14:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:29.
[14:30] <mathiaz> ttx: thanks
[14:30] <alexm> thanks
[14:30] <ttx> yes
[14:30] <ttx> less than 30 min
[14:30] <ttx> :)
[14:30] <ttx> Have nice holidays everyone
[14:30] <nealmcb> thanks - take care!
[14:31] <ttx> mathiaz: when you update the agenda, set kirkland as the next scribe and move the jan6 section to the agenda, thx
[14:31] <mathiaz> ttx: sure
[15:58] <james_w> hi
[15:59] <mvo> hey james_w
[15:59] <james_w> hi mvo, how's it going?
[15:59] <tremolux> heya
[16:00] <mvo> james_w: good! I'm already in best christmas moot :)
[16:00] <mvo> hey tremolux!
[16:00] <tremolux> hi mvo!  :)(
[16:00] <tremolux> :)
[16:01]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <james_w> evand, Keybuk, doko_: around?
[16:01] <doko_> yes
[16:01] <james_w> hi
[16:01] <james_w> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is james_w.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <evand> Hi
[16:02] <james_w> Hi everyone, welcome to the Foundations Team meeting
[16:02] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1223 <- Agenda
[16:02] <james_w> first up is the lightning round
[16:02] <james_w> mvo: would you like to start, then tag the next person when you are done?
[16:02] <mvo> ok
[16:03] <mvo> I am working apt merges with debian and with fixes/improvements there
[16:03] <mvo> I merged the apt history branch that should give us more accurate logging - it contained a hidden abi break that I overlooked, sorry for that
[16:03] <mvo> I also work on software-center, mostly search improvements and subcategory stuff
[16:04]  * mvo hands over to tremolux
[16:04] <tremolux> This week I'm working on some UI fixes in Software Center
[16:04] <tremolux> I have a branch that will be ready to send over to mvo later today
[16:04] <tremolux> Other than that, I'll be working on bug triage and fixes for software-center and update-manager
[16:04] <tremolux> And holidaying
[16:04]  * mvo should add that the abi break was undone via the upload today
[16:04] <tremolux> :D
[16:05]  * mvo hugs tremolux for that!
[16:05] <tremolux> go slangasek
[16:05] <slangasek> I spent some time last week / this week getting the machine-readable copyright spec unwedged in Debian
[16:05] <slangasek> so that we might be able to take it from draft to candidate status in time for lucid
[16:06] <slangasek> (finally!)
[16:06]  * slangasek tags james_w 
[16:06] <james_w> I have mainly been working on the bzr importer, trying to work out why it is so taxing on codehosting now, I have a theory, but it will be a bunch of coding to fix
[16:07] <james_w> We also have agreement with the bzr team what they will focus on for their "lucid" release, and then what after that
[16:07] <james_w> evand: tag, you're it
[16:10] <james_w> doko_: want to go next?
[16:11] <doko_> still some ARM work, but it's getting to somewhere, both for lucid and lucid+1
[16:11] <doko_> GCC-4.5 packaged, would like to prepare for a test rebuild in Jan with cjohnston and bigjools
[16:12] <doko_> plus OpenJDK (6 & 7) updates, and setting up/reinstalling two server machines
[16:13] <james_w> welcome back ev, do you have a contribution for the lightning round?
[16:13] <cjohnston> ?
[16:13] <ev> Working on solving a hosts race between ubiquity and NM from karmic. Merging keyboad guessing and NM config copying. Will be working on jockey integration after the holiday.
[16:15] <james_w> Keybuk?
[16:15] <Keybuk> new mountall should fix all the bugs, and implements the plymouth switch and friendlier recovery stuff
[16:16] <Keybuk> working on the plumbing layer performance; switching to devtmpfs looks like a WIN (reduces overlap with X), next up profiling udev, etc.
[16:16] <Keybuk> also working on plymouth still since that's got to fit in there somewhere
[16:16] <Keybuk> that's it isn't it? :p
[16:16] <james_w> excellent, thanks all
[16:17] <james_w> [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:17] <james_w> I couldn't see any
[16:17] <james_w> [TOPIC] Platform sprint
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Platform sprint
[16:17] <james_w> Please ensure you have booked your travel and updated the wiki page if you are going
[16:19] <james_w> [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:19] <james_w> I don't know of anything for this item. slangasek: do you?
[16:19] <Keybuk> I could get some in early ;)
[16:20] <slangasek> don't know of any yet
[16:20] <slangasek> Keybuk: tell me after the holiday ;)
[16:21] <james_w> [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Milestoned bugs
[16:21] <james_w> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=1326
[16:21] <james_w> there's no bugs listed
[16:21] <james_w> the page doesn't tell me what milestone it is though
[16:22]  * slangasek scratches his head.  1326?
[16:23] <james_w> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/lucid-alpha-2
[16:23] <james_w> that has plenty of things on it though
[16:23] <slangasek> lucid-alpha-2 should be: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone=21444
[16:23] <james_w> thanks
[16:23] <james_w> remember to move bugs on and off that list as appropriate
[16:24] <slangasek> remember to fix the bugs on that list! :)
[16:24] <james_w> I see a few things on there for us
[16:25] <james_w> [TOPIC] Targeted bugs
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Targeted bugs
[16:25] <james_w> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs
[16:25] <james_w> Plenty on there already if you are looking for something to do :-)
[16:25] <james_w> or you could work on...
[16:25] <james_w> [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship Queue
[16:25] <james_w> http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[16:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[16:26] <dholbach> there's quite a bunch of proposed patches for main
[16:26]  * james_w hasn't done any in the last week, so isn't going to start that discussion :-)
[16:26] <james_w> inded
[16:26] <james_w> I shall make some time to do some of them
[16:26] <dholbach> so if you all could have a look and either reject the patches (and get them off the list) or upload them if they're good, I (and the patch authors) would very much appreciate it :)
[16:27] <dholbach> now's probably the best time to get most of the stuff integrated :)
[16:27] <james_w> [TOPIC] Any business from activity reports
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any business from activity reports
[16:27] <james_w> I didn't see anything, did I miss something?
[16:28] <slangasek> not from me
[16:28] <james_w> I assume there is no release meeting this week?
[16:30] <slangasek> nope :)
[16:30] <slangasek> nor next week
[16:30] <james_w> cool
[16:30] <james_w> [TOPIC] Select chair for next meeting
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Select chair for next meeting
[16:30] <james_w> this will be in two weeks time
[16:31] <james_w> any volunteers?
[16:31] <Keybuk> I think you scared them
[16:31] <evand> I'll do it.
[16:32] <james_w> great, thanks evand
[16:32] <james_w> which brings us to
[16:32] <james_w> [TOPIC] Good news
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good news
[16:32] <james_w> anyone have any?
[16:33] <Keybuk> I don't even have any SNOW, let alone Good News :'(
[16:33] <highvoltage> I met a girl who sang the blues and I asked her for some happy news, but she just smiled and turned away
[16:34] <ScottK> Got qt4-x11 stood up on ia64 and slangasek gave us a fix for powerpc we just need to integrate.
[16:34] <ScottK> That's good news.
[16:35] <slangasek> my boot time is < 60seconds, that's good news to me :)
[16:35] <Keybuk> we did slip under 17.5s on max yesterday
[16:35] <Keybuk> which is HALF WAY THERE!
[16:40] <james_w> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:40] <james_w> anyone with anything else to say?
[16:40] <slangasek> Merry Christmas!
[16:41] <st33med> It's not Christmas yet
[16:41] <st33med> :(
[16:42] <mvo> almost!
[16:47] <james_w> ok, thanks everyone
[16:47] <james_w> have a good break and see you in two weeks
[16:47] <james_w> #endmeeting
[16:47] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:47.
[16:48] <tremolux> have fun everybody!
[16:49]  * slangasek waves
[16:49] <doko_> bye
[16:49] <evand> Thanks!
[16:49] <evand> Have a lovely holiday
[18:17] <sbalneav> Edubuntu meeting now?
[18:18] <mgariepy> sbalneav: i think it's in 45 minutes.
[18:18] <sbalneav> Ah, did it change from 1800 utc to 1900?
[18:20] <mgariepy> sbalneav, yes it did ;)
[18:23] <sbalneav> huh, was there an email, or did I just miss it when it was organized in the irc channel?
[18:23] <sbalneav> Ah, see the email
[18:23] <sbalneav> what's it doing in -dev?
[18:23] <sbalneav> Should be in -users
[18:58] <sbalneav> back
[19:00]  * stgraber waves
[19:00] <stgraber> Edubuntu meeting time !!
[19:00] <alkisg> hi all!
[19:00]  * sbalneav gives secret masonic handshake
[19:00] <stgraber> highvoltage, nixternal: ping
[19:01] <sbalneav> Present
[19:01] <stgraber> looks like we're missing Jordan Erickson to have all of the council in attendance
[19:02] <stgraber> anyway, I'm really glad that we finally got that done so we can focus on Lucid now.
[19:02] <stgraber> Congratulations to all the new members !
[19:02] <sbalneav> Soooooo.... just out of curiousity, did everyone on the council vote?
[19:02] <highvoltage> stgraber: pong
[19:02] <highvoltage> stgraber: yes \o/
[19:03] <sbalneav> wheeha
[19:03] <highvoltage> I'm also surprised that everyone unanynously voted yes
[19:03] <stgraber> I'd think so, we had 6 nominee and each receive 6 votes :)
[19:03] <stgraber> so it looks like all of the current council members voted for everyone :)
[19:03] <highvoltage> I was the slightest bit worried that I might get a "no" but it didn't happen
[19:03]  * alkisg wonders what the other edubuntu members voted... :D
[19:04] <highvoltage> I'm not sure how mootbot works but I guess we should fire him up
[19:04] <highvoltage> MootBot: start meeting
[19:04] <stgraber> Just before we start, I've something scheduled in an hour, so I hope we'll be able to make that meeting fit in the one hour timeslot
[19:04] <stgraber> #startmeeting
[19:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:04. The chair is stgraber.
[19:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:04] <highvoltage> ah right
[19:05] <stgraber> Meeting agenda is available at: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[19:05] <highvoltage> I guess we more or less covered the New Edubuntu Council, for those who missed the election results: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1961
[19:06] <stgraber> So, just for the record, the new council is made of: Alkis Georgopoulos, Jonathan Carter, Jordan Erickson, Richard Johnson, Scott Balneaves and myself.
[19:06] <stgraber> which is something like half of edubuntu-members (I hope we'll get more members there soon !) ;)
[19:07] <highvoltage> do we want to discuss the role of the EC tonight?
[19:07] <stgraber> we probably can talk about it for up to 10min or so
[19:08] <sbalneav> "Doing everything"
[19:08] <sbalneav> discussed :)
[19:08] <highvoltage> ok great
[19:08] <alkisg> ;)
[19:08] <stgraber> the others meetings item should go quite fast as it's basically discussing and distributing tasks for Lucid :)
[19:08] <highvoltage> so we can move on to technical aspect
[19:08] <sbalneav> I have 2 things for the agenda, putting my name forward.
[19:09] <stgraber> Just so that everyone is aware of it, Jonathan and I are marked as release contact for Edubuntu
[19:09] <stgraber> so the release team will poke one of us when a new release is coming (alpha, beta, rc, final) to know if we're ready to release and get release information (announcement, notes)
[19:09] <highvoltage> (I'm taking notes for the list so if I take a few seconds longer to reply than usual, that's why)
[19:10] <sbalneav> The scripts that LaserJock poked at to make the dvd, do they run automatically?  Or do we have to do something?
[19:10] <stgraber> at the time, the release team asked, the new council wasn't voted yet, so having both of us made the most sense at the time. I still think it does as we're the ones who already did part of that work in the past but feel free to help anyway :)
[19:10] <stgraber> yes, they're run once a day
[19:10] <stgraber> and I get the output by mail in the morning
[19:11] <stgraber> so each day I know if something failed and can tweak the seeds and meta to fix if something is broken (didn't have to do that yet though)
[19:11] <highvoltage> I guess it would be too excessive to make them go to edubuntu-devel
[19:11] <stgraber> I expect that I'll have to poke at that soon to make Live LTSP working
[19:11] <stgraber> yeah, you don't want that on edubuntu-devel, most of the days it's just an empty report
[19:12] <alkisg> stgraber: could you give us a few more details about how's this going to work?
[19:12] <stgraber> and I'm also getting something similar for Ubuntu itself so I can easily see if something is Edubuntu-specific or not
[19:12] <highvoltage> stgraber: did you get a responce from cjwatson?
[19:13] <stgraber> looks like we're moving to the technical part of the meeting, so let's go :)
[19:13] <stgraber> first part is Live LTSP
[19:13] <stgraber> the idea is to have a working LTSP server right from the Live CD
[19:13] <stgraber> that means having the necessary packages on the DVD (but not installed)
[19:13] <stgraber> and a chroot built in Canonical DC and put on the DVD
[19:14] <stgraber> then a script or nice GUI to install these packages + configure them in the Live environment (that'd have to be manually trigerred by the user)
[19:14] <stgraber> then we'll need an installer hook to copy the LTSP installation to the destination system if wanted
[19:15] <stgraber> there's a few points I don't know how to achieve, I sent an e-mail to Collin about it on Monday but I suspect he's on holiday
[19:15] <nixternal> yo yo
[19:15] <stgraber> for these of you interested in that, I'm happy to forward you the e-mail I sent to Collin (that's basically a more detailed description of what I just said)
[19:15] <sbalneav> I have 2 objections to the Live LTSP, but I register them NOT as something to block it's progress, since this seems to be what people want, but, in the interests of going on the record....
[19:15] <alkisg> stgraber: please do :)
[19:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm wondering whether the installer hook is really all that important for lucid. it would be nice, but if it turns out to be a lot of work and hard to achieve then we could also add a menu entry for the installed system that says something like "Activate LTSP" that would pop up a gui that either installs LTSP from the Edubuntu DVD or from scratch. not sure how you feel about that?
[19:16] <sbalneav> 1) It's going to use a lot of space on the DVD that could be used for either langpacks, which brings edubuntu to a wider audience, or could be used for more softaware/content (i.e. moodle plus course content)
[19:17] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'm waiting on Collin's answer for that, but it's clearly an option indeed.
[19:18] <stgraber> 1) We currently have more than the 300MB I need fo LTSP on the DVD, also, I plan to drop the Desktop from the Alternate installer if we need to get more space. Everything will then be installable from the live environment.
[19:18] <sbalneav> 2) The performance is going to suck, and some people may draw inferences between what a livecd gives them versus a "real" ltsp install, performance wise (i.e. "eugh, this sucks we can't run a lab like this")
[19:18] <highvoltage> hmm, that looks like 3 :)
[19:19] <stgraber> 2) That's indeed an issue, though having tested reading the chroot from a DVD, it's not that bad actually. We'll need to make that clear in the tool though.
[19:19] <highvoltage> oh that's stgraber, my bad
[19:19] <nixternal> sbalneav: how bad will the performance be? will it at least be manageable for a demo of sorts and not for typical use?
[19:19] <sbalneav> I'm merely playing devil's advocate :)
[19:19] <nixternal> stgraber: I am guessing the LTSP Live would be for demos?
[19:19] <nixternal> assuming rather
[19:19] <stgraber> the main use case is for demo/training and release parties. And I noticed a quick important interest for that (at UDS mostly)
[19:19] <stgraber> nixternal: yep
[19:19] <nixternal> groovy
[19:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I like you playing the devil's advocate
[19:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: because other people are going to ask these same questions
[19:20] <alkisg> I think if the server has enough RAM, and it caches everything after a few minutes of usage, it'll go pretty well...
[19:20] <nixternal> sbalneav: would it be feasable at least for demos and such?
[19:20] <nixternal> usable is probably the better word
[19:20] <sbalneav> Well, so long as people understand they're trying to boot 30 workstations off a device that's a couple of orders of magnatude slower than a hard disk, it's fine, for demo/testing purposes
[19:20] <stgraber> I guess the important part here is the wording used in the tool you'll use to start the LTSP server.
[19:20] <highvoltage> I guess the 300MB part is small enough to cache in a tmpfs in most situations
[19:20] <stgraber> if we make it clear it's for demo, it's not perfectly secure (we'll have some SSH issue for sure with the DVD) and performance are decreased. It'll be fine.
[19:21] <sbalneav> But we KNOW a certain percentage are going to draw performance conclusions about LTSP off of the live cd performance.  And in that way, we may be hurting ourselves.
[19:21] <sbalneav> But, I guess we won't know until we try, so, carry on seargent major :)
[19:21] <alkisg> sbalneav: with the same logic, live dvds shouldn't exist :)
[19:21] <highvoltage> we could check how much ram is available and if it's more than 1GB or so we copy the squashfs to the chroot. it will help save at least some cd-rom disc access, and speed up booting substantially
[19:21] <alkisg> (I'm playing the opposite devil :D)
[19:21] <stgraber> sbalneav: I guess the number of users that'll complain will be lower than the number we'll introduce to LTSP through that.
[19:21] <highvoltage> also, people could be encouraged to write it to a USB hard disk for better performance
[19:22] <sbalneav> That's fine, like I say, my objecttions are purely academic in nature.
[19:22] <highvoltage> I think the type of people who would want to demo a Live LTSP setup are sensible enough to understand that it would be slow from DVD
[19:22] <highvoltage> I'd also like to see some real life tests, and see how slow/fast it would actually be
[19:23] <stgraber> anyway, that's clearly something I'd like for Lucid and I'm going to invest time into that (well, Revolution Linux will ;)), we can still drop it later if we find it's been a mistake but I doubt we'll :)
[19:23] <alkisg> It'll also be used to test client hardware compatibility, which is difficult to test otherwise.
[19:23] <sbalneav> Well, yeah, but if you hang around #ubuntu for an hour you'll see things like "I just tried the live cd on my single-spin cdrom, why's it so slow? I thought linux was fast wahh wahh" etc. :)
[19:23] <stgraber> alkisg: indeed, that's a good usecase too.
[19:23] <sbalneav> But like I say, lets try it and see
[19:24] <stgraber> cool, next up is the Edubuntu menu editor
[19:24] <sbalneav> So long as we go into it with eyes wide [Open|Shut] :)
[19:24] <stgraber> we wrote a spec about it at: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Specifications/EdubuntuLucidMenuEditor
[19:24] <stgraber> and have a LP project here: https://launchpad.net/menueditor
[19:24] <stgraber> mgariepy started working on it and has at least the UI ready (not sure how much of the backend/xdg is done yet)
[19:25] <stgraber> want me to do a quick intro or are you reading through the spec ?
[19:25] <sbalneav> mgariepy: are you shooting to have it in for Lucid?
[19:25]  * nixternal was reading the spec
[19:25] <stgraber> mgariepy: around ?
[19:25] <mgariepy> the ui is like 85% finish, altought i'll put this code on quickly
[19:25] <sbalneav> He was here a bit ago
[19:26] <mgariepy> yeah
[19:26] <sbalneav> there he is
[19:26] <mgariepy> it will be on lucid.
[19:26] <stgraber> sbalneav: we have a roadmap at the end of the spec, idea is to have that in Main for Lucid.
[19:26] <sbalneav> perfect.
[19:26] <sbalneav> If I can help, let me know.
[19:27] <stgraber> I already contacted Guadalinex (asanchez), they'll be providing some example menus, so will RL for the Quebec and maybe the US too
[19:27] <stgraber> I hope to have time to look at the code in the next two weeks so we can be on time to get it in universe and then promoted to main before FF (mid-february)
[19:27]  * nixternal rsyncs dvd iso before he forgets
[19:28] <stgraber> so far, that's one of our "lucid features" that's the most advanced :)
[19:28] <sbalneav> Sorry, I have 4 items, when it gets to me
[19:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: ok, noted
[19:29] <stgraber> next on the agenda, we have the Netbook edition
[19:29] <stgraber> I heard quite a bit of demand for that from customers + community and it really shouldn't be hard to achieve at least as an installer option on the DVD
[19:29] <stgraber> maintaining another image for Lucid may be a bit too much for us yet
[19:30] <stgraber> opinions "
[19:30] <stgraber> ?
[19:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: what are you thinking... a meta-package for UNR?
[19:30] <nixternal> we have 2 editions available for use, Ubuntu Netbook Edition and Kubuntu Netbook Remix
[19:30] <alkisg> I also think it'll be pretty useful, and I think students here in Greece will use it.
[19:30] <nixternal> couldn't we just have a custom edubuntu-netbook-defaults-{kde|gnome} or such?
[19:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: I was thinking, installer option that'll install an additional meta-package on the target system (containing the launcher, maximus, ...) yep
[19:31] <nixternal> have them for addons if anything in Lucid?
[19:31] <highvoltage> stgraber: aaah, an option to the edubuntu install image... nice
[19:31] <stgraber> we can certainly have the meta packages and the installer task
[19:31] <stgraber> then it'd be great if we could have that meta package installed through the installer too
[19:32] <stgraber> anyone who would have time to work on the spec ? (I'm fine with mentoring/uploading/...)
[19:32]  * highvoltage 
[19:33] <stgraber> yeah ! one less on my list, that's awesome :)
[19:33] <alkisg> Since we'll already have the necessary bits on the DVD, it'd be nice if we implemented "installing to netbooks from network, using the live dvd as the server". (netbooting = https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot)
[19:33] <highvoltage> writing specs are fun, especially making up names for the use cases :D
[19:33] <stgraber> highvoltage: hehe :)
[19:33] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'll have a full draft ready by Monday'ish
[19:34] <stgraber> alkisg: we won't be able to netinstall as we will only have a live environment and not all the packages
[19:34] <highvoltage> alkisg: that's actually a very good idea, I think it could be a killer feature and quite easy to implement
[19:34] <stgraber> alkisg: netinstall requires a package repository
[19:34] <highvoltage> stgraber: not necessarilly
[19:34] <highvoltage> stgraber: we could boot the livecd over the network
[19:34] <stgraber> highvoltage: oh ? they provide the bits to boot the livecd now ?
[19:34] <alkisg> stgraber: see the link I posted..
[19:34] <stgraber> last I tried we were missing some stuff in the initrd for that to be possible
[19:35] <highvoltage> stgraber: I had some trouble too trying to do it before, but ogra told me that it has been done before, so it can be done
[19:35] <stgraber> alkisg: what I read on that page is about the text installer (aka, netboot)
[19:35] <alkisg> Bah wrong link - anyway I've done this
[19:36]  * alkisg can look into it, if people think it'll be useful
[19:36] <stgraber> highvoltage: yeah, I have done it too, it requires some changes to the initrd which I would like to avoid as that'd mean shipping two initrds
[19:36] <stgraber> highvoltage: that's easy to do outside the scope of the official DVD build
[19:36] <highvoltage> alkisg: I'm making a note of it for the minutes, I think it's worth looking in to for lucid if it's as simple as we think
[19:36] <alkisg> Nice
[19:37] <stgraber> alkisg: yep, sending information on how to do it is clearly interesting, we can then discuss if that's possible to do it in Lucid or just provide the user with information on how he can do it
[19:37] <stgraber> next point before I leave the stage to sbalneav is Artwork
[19:37] <highvoltage> I think users generally don't mind copying and pasting a few commands from a wiki page if it gives them enough gain
[19:37] <highvoltage> it could probably be provided via a script as well
[19:38] <stgraber> I've sent an e-mail about it to the ML a few weeks ago and got an answer from Mads Rosendahl who's interesting in helping us there with whatever we need
[19:38] <alkisg> Right, even a (simple enough) wiki page would do.
[19:38] <stgraber> next step will be to list all of the requirements for each part of the artwork and announce that to edubuntu-* and ubuntu-artwork
[19:38] <stgraber> I've done it with LTSP in the past with very good results
[19:39] <stgraber> I'll be working on that spec this week or next and will announce it first on -devel so you can all review it before I send a call for artwork
[19:39] <stgraber> sounds good ?
[19:39] <nixternal> +1
[19:39] <highvoltage> I quite like the default LDM Ubuntu background (the white with the fire stripe thingy)
[19:39] <sbalneav> +1
[19:40] <stgraber> highvoltage: that's one of Mads Rosendahl's contributions
[19:40] <highvoltage> stgraber: cool
[19:40] <alkisg> I'm not really sure that the artwork is appropriate for older students. I.e., for some ages and up I'd prefer the default theme... Sure, I could use update-alternatives later, so, +1
[19:40] <stgraber> and I like it a lot too
[19:40] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm not familiar with Mads Rosendahl, but I'll look up his work
[19:40] <stgraber> alkisg: yep, as we are on a DVD we also have more spaces for alternative artwork
[19:41] <highvoltage> alkisg: I hear you, I think edubuntu is ready for something more elegant
[19:41] <alkisg> Hmmm then it would be possible to select the standard ubuntu artwork somehow?
[19:41] <stgraber> highvoltage: met him in person at UDS, very nice guy and he's been doing very good work and wants to do more.
[19:41] <highvoltage> alkisg: still fun, still youthfull, something that would encourage a feel for learning, but elegant :)
[19:41] <stgraber> alkisg: we can provide alternatives background quite easily
[19:41] <highvoltage> stgraber: cool, we must get him to do more then :)
[19:41] <alkisg> stgraber: I got some negative feedback about the icons, mostly...
[19:41] <stgraber> so the splash and login background shouldn't be age-specific and nor should be the default background
[19:42] <highvoltage> alkisg: the gartoon icons?
[19:42] <mhall119|work> sorry to interrupt, but congrats to those who were elected the other day
[19:42] <highvoltage> they have become rather dated
[19:42] <nixternal> that they have
[19:42] <stgraber> mhall119|work: thanks
[19:42] <alkisg> highvoltage: yup... the comments were "too childish" - of course the comments were made by older students
[19:42] <highvoltage> thanks mhall119|work
[19:42] <alkisg> Younger students liked them
[19:42] <stgraber> I guess a new icon theme would be a good idea, or using the same as ubuntu
[19:43] <highvoltage> I think they were fine for the first few edubuntu releases, I think they should still be included, probably just not default
[19:43] <stgraber> we can still ship gartoon so it's available if you want to
[19:43] <mhall119|work> gnome-colors is a nice icon packl
[19:43] <highvoltage> stgraber: *nod*
[19:44] <stgraber> cool, so that's 15 minutes for sbalneav !
[19:44] <highvoltage> I'm quite a big fan of the breathe icon theme
[19:44] <highvoltage> it's one of the first things I install on all my ubuntu machines
[19:44] <nixternal> seems there has been an update to gartoon in october adding some new icons
[19:44] <nixternal> though I think the icons actually fit edubuntu, even though they seem "old" to me
[19:44] <sbalneav> I quite like the gartoon theme
[19:44] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep, from the little I saw it, it looks great
[19:45] <sbalneav> better than the default ubuntu one.
[19:45] <sbalneav> Should I go?
[19:45] <highvoltage> (it's available from the breathe-icon-theme package just in case anyone wants to try it out)
[19:46] <highvoltage> sbalneav: please, fire away!
[19:46] <nixternal> highvoltage: I use it as well...I do like it indeed
[19:46] <nixternal> it has that Oxygen feel to it from KDE4
[19:46] <sbalneav> 1) Status of my work for sabayon for Lucid
[19:46] <sbalneav> http://git.gnome.org/browse/sabayon/log/
[19:46] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://git.gnome.org/browse/sabayon/log/
[19:46] <sbalneav> I've been hard at work, getting Sabayon to the point where teachers will be able to use it actively, and usefully.
[19:47] <sbalneav> In the past 2 months, I've added apply-by-group, which is huge, fixed all the crasher bugs, integrated it with Pessulus properly, and written a manual for it.
[19:48] <sbalneav> in the process, I'm now a Gnome developer.  I have git AND ftp access, and will soon be a full on Gnome foundation member.
[19:48] <sbalneav> So, we should *FINALLY* have a management solution for teachers.
[19:48] <alkisg> Congrats sbalneav :)
[19:48] <nixternal> wow, first time I have looked at sabayon...that is pretty awesome!
[19:49] <nixternal> "It does this by providing a "desktop within a window", allowing you to customize your desktop as you see fit, then recording your changes, to be applied to users by the sabayon-apply program at login time."  <- FOR THE WIN!
[19:49] <stgraber> sbalneav: poke me as soon as you need someone to sponsor upload to the archive, I'll be glad to help
[19:49] <sbalneav> 2:
[19:49] <sbalneav> http://git.gnome.org/browse/nanny
[19:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://git.gnome.org/browse/nanny
[19:50] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wow, awesome!
[19:50] <sbalneav> nanny is a brand new package, just been uploaded in  the last few days.
[19:50] <sbalneav> I'll package it for Lucid.  Basically allows a parent/teacher to control time on the workstation, content, etc.
[19:50] <stgraber> that's the parental control thingy right ?
[19:50] <sbalneav> right.
[19:51] <sbalneav> I've already made contact with the devel.
[19:51] <sbalneav> He asked me to wait a couple of days while they get a website together, and fix some bugs
[19:51] <stgraber> cool, how likely are we to get a working release for Lucid ?
[19:51] <sbalneav> but then was pleased to have someone willing to get it in a distro.
[19:51] <mhall119|work> sbalneav: wasn't there a project in launchpad for that kind of control?
[19:51] <highvoltage> as in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-zeitgeist-parental-control-lucid ?
[19:52] <sbalneav> Well, I'm willing to bet pretty good
[19:52] <stgraber> (just remembering everyone, "in Lucid", means second week of February)
[19:52] <sbalneav> I don't see a lot of code on that blueprint, whereas nanny has code.
[19:53] <sbalneav> code > great plans every time :)
[19:53] <sbalneav> If the other materialized, we can race 'em.
[19:53] <highvoltage> sbalneav: indeed, perhaps we should let them know of your work
[19:54] <sbalneav> 3) I want to, over the holidays, have someone help me get my upload privs
[19:54] <sbalneav> fixing bugs for my item #4, plus my work for sabayon's getting hard just doing it in my ppa.
[19:54] <highvoltage> we should perhaps briefly speak about the archive reorganisation, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it sbalneav?
[19:54] <sbalneav> Yeah, I keep hearing all sorts of things.
[19:54] <sbalneav> but let me be brutally blunt.
[19:54] <nixternal> do we have edubuntu-devel in LP yet?
[19:55] <stgraber> the most important thing here is to get edubuntu-dev approved for uploads to edubuntu-related packages
[19:55] <sbalneav> yes we do.
[19:55] <highvoltage> stgraber is bettter in the loop about it than me, but basically, we could have an edubuntu upload group that affects all edubuntu packages, even in main
[19:55] <stgraber> but we can discuss that just after
[19:55] <sbalneav> how long will that take?
[19:55] <nixternal> and if we add someone to edubuntu-devel they get upload rights to the edubuntu packages?
[19:55] <nixternal> that is all taken care of I assume?
[19:55] <stgraber> nixternal: that bit has to be done
[19:56] <nixternal> stgraber: what all is left? I can help push that along
[19:56] <stgraber> nixternal: having edubuntu-dev granted upload rights to all edubuntu-related packages
[19:56] <nixternal> do like we do with kubuntu-devel...those members get to vote on someone becoming an edubuntu developer
[19:56] <sbalneav> because, quite frankly, I became an upstream GNOME developer with keys to git in a couple of months with just one persons say-so, but I've been contributing to Ubuntu/Edubuntu for years, and I still don't have the ability to materially fix anything :)
[19:57] <nixternal> ok, so that needs to be done on the canonical side then, and I am also assuming they are aware of it?
[19:57] <nixternal> sbalneav: you can fix it, we just have to upload it :p
[19:57] <stgraber> nixternal: that's on my todo for early next year
[19:57] <nixternal> stgraber: rock on
[19:57] <nixternal> early next year == 9 days :)
[19:58] <sbalneav> Anyway, I need push access.
[19:58] <nixternal> or 8.5 for us in chicago
[19:58] <sbalneav> 4) Bug day
[19:58] <stgraber> well, that's for "when Canonical people are back from holidays"
[19:58] <nixternal> right
[19:58] <sbalneav> We need to schedule one, so that I can take a day off.
[19:58] <nixternal> they seem to always be on holidays too
[19:58] <sbalneav> work, that is
[19:58] <nixternal> sbalneav: hahahahaha
[19:58] <stgraber> actually there's two days that we need to schedule
[19:58] <sbalneav> and spend a day HARD on fixing bugs
[19:59] <stgraber> - bug day
[19:59] <stgraber> - wiki day
[19:59] <nixternal> getting out of work to do a bug day....now that is a new one...no more "My significant other is ill, I can't make it in today" or "I am not *cough* *choke* *puke* feeling well today" :)
[19:59] <sbalneav> what I'd like from all of you is to spend maybe an hour on the bugsquad page, and think about what you feel will give us the BIGGEST bang for the buck in terms of stability for Lucid.
[20:00] <highvoltage> +1 on bug day and wiki day
[20:00] <sbalneav> nixternal: I just book a day of my holidays.
[20:00]  * stgraber looks at his calendar for some random dates in the next month or so
[20:00] <highvoltage> the randommer the better
[20:00] <highvoltage> (exluding January 1 hopefully :p)
[20:00] <stgraber> sbalneav: any preference (I just do it at work so it doesn't really matter for me and highvoltage)
[20:00] <stgraber> += ?
[20:01]  * nixternal wishes he could do it at work, but he doesn't work :(
[20:01] <sbalneav> I'm fine anytime.
[20:01] <alkisg> Maybe a little late, to have a chance to test more alpha releases?
[20:01] <nixternal> docs...think it is time for those to get reworked
[20:01] <alkisg> Or does it have to be old bugs?
[20:02] <highvoltage> nixternal: as in, a docs hug day?
[20:02] <sbalneav> what would be good is at least if stgraber and HV were available for uploads as I fix the bugs, but that doesn't sound like a problem.
[20:02] <nixternal>  we would need a "doc hug month" I believe
[20:02] <sbalneav> nixternal: That's another issue.
[20:02] <sbalneav> LTSP docs are now in some kind of good state
[20:02] <highvoltage> I guess a day would be a good start :)
[20:02] <nixternal> we can at least use ubuntu-docs as a great basis to include some of our stuff
[20:02] <stgraber> 12nd and 21st of January ?
[20:02] <sbalneav> we need to package them so they'll be in gnome helpcenter
[20:03] <sbalneav> and then get the handbook fixed up.
[20:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: +1
[20:03] <stgraber> (avoid Mondays and Fridays + taking days I don't have meetings schedule yet :))
[20:03] <sbalneav> 12 for bugs, 21 for wiki?
[20:03] <stgraber> sbalneav: yep
[20:03] <sbalneav> Sounds good
[20:03] <highvoltage> I would be tempted to say wiki first, but since feature freeze is so close I guess it's sensible to do bugs first
[20:03] <stgraber> good, booking Jonathan and I then
[20:04] <highvoltage> what aboud a docs hug day?
[20:04] <sbalneav> Marked in my calendar.
[20:04] <highvoltage> for the 31st?
[20:04] <sbalneav> I'd say wait till after feature freeze
[20:04] <stgraber> done
[20:04] <sbalneav> We can still update docs after FF, right?
[20:04] <stgraber> yep
[20:04] <nixternal> yeah, after feature freeze, preferably closer to UI freeze
[20:04] <stgraber> after FF for docs sounds good
[20:05] <sbalneav> nixternal: yeah
[20:05] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yep, although I think it would be good if we at least take some inventory of what we've got, what needs to be done, etc
[20:05] <stgraber> we can schedule that at a later time
[20:05] <sbalneav> we can talk about it briefly wiki day maybe
[20:05] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep, doing a quick review and posting to the ML sounds good
[20:05] <nixternal> for the handbook, I say we make it minimal, leveraging the ubuntu-docs...make edubuntu-docs depend/require ubuntu-docs, and then the handbook cover just educational stuff
[20:05] <highvoltage> ok
[20:05] <nixternal> that will make it so much easier to hug
[20:05] <stgraber> nixternal: and depend on the ltsp handbook for the LTSP part
[20:06] <nixternal> of course :)
[20:06] <sbalneav> OK
[20:06] <nixternal> I will get the edubuntu-docs stuff rolling at least to prepare for some hugging
[20:06] <sbalneav> That's all from my desk.
[20:06] <stgraber> cool
[20:07] <highvoltage> if kde-edu's docs are good then between that, Ubuntu and LTSP docs it should cover at least 95% of everything needed
[20:07] <stgraber> I don't have much time left on my side but we also have the website on the schedule
[20:07] <sbalneav> right, and the handbook can tie it all together,
[20:07] <stgraber> Is anyone willing to spend time improving it or should we try recruiting someone else for that ?
[20:07] <sbalneav> I really liked it when we had it in helpcenter.
[20:07] <sbalneav> Handbook?
[20:07] <sbalneav> I'll do it.
[20:07] <highvoltage> can we spend a few minutes to talk about the website?
[20:07] <stgraber> it'd clearly need some design work + fixing + updating the content
[20:08] <nixternal> highvoltage: kde-edu's docs are lacking a bit, I need to spend time upstream obviously :)
[20:08] <highvoltage> not sure how you'd feel about this stgraber, especially since I know you like drupal, but I think Wordpress would be nice for the Edubuntu site
[20:08] <stgraber> I have a gobby document if not even a wiki page about what we'd like to be part of the wiki and website, I'll send it to the ML for review
[20:08] <highvoltage> nixternal: heh :)
[20:09] <nixternal> edubuntu doesn't ship khelpcenter right?
[20:09] <highvoltage> stgraber: I think it would also be nice having an Edubuntu blog on the site for news that gets aggregated to planet Ubuntu, which we'd also use for meeting minutes, etc
[20:09] <stgraber> highvoltage: what'd be the advantage of WP here ? I don't think we really have any blog-like content yet, it's mostly pages.
[20:09] <sbalneav> website wise, aren't we stuck with whatever canonical provides?
[20:09] <nixternal> I will find out in the next 10 minutes as the iso finishes rsync'ing
[20:09] <highvoltage> stgraber: right, for now
[20:10] <nixternal> highvoltage: I think we could leverage the Fridge for stuff like that
[20:10] <stgraber> highvoltage: Drupal works really well for blogging btw :) (my blog runs on Drupal)
[20:10] <highvoltage> stgraber: I like how easy wordpress is to maintain, it does one click upgrades, where our drupal installation is almost always outdated
[20:10] <stgraber> you won't have upgrades in Canonical DC
[20:10] <nixternal> right
[20:10] <highvoltage> stgraber: what do you mean? I have login on that server :)
[20:10] <stgraber> servers don't have internet access and you can't write files with the web account
[20:10] <nixternal> I would say keep the website information, news/minutes and stuff can go on the Fridge
[20:11] <nixternal> I am a Ubuntu News Editor, and I am sure it would be hard to get one or more of you on there as well so you could post news
[20:11] <nixternal> s/would/wouldn't/
[20:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: is that in Canonical DC ? because the servers I have access to don't even have access to LP :)
[20:11] <stgraber> nixternal: sounds good
[20:11] <nixternal> I need to get Kubuntu to do the same :)
[20:12] <stgraber> we can always put a block or something following the fridge using RSS (if we can make our box talk with the fridge one ;))
[20:12] <nixternal> yup
[20:12] <stgraber> highvoltage: sounds reasonable ?
[20:13] <highvoltage> stgraber: I believe so, it has an ip address of 91.189.94.141 and hosts things like planet.launchpad.net, www.markshuttleworth.com, popcon.ubuntu.com, kubuntu.org and a few others
[20:13] <highvoltage> stgraber: it does
[20:14] <stgraber> highvoltage: ok, it seems to be a lot easier than the Canonical QA servers :)
[20:14] <nixternal> you can talk to ryanacka in kubuntu-devel, as he has experience with updating the Kubuntu website....he might have pointers to make the work on our end easier since we both face similar situations
[20:14] <highvoltage> stgraber: I had to wrestle elmo for it ;)
[20:14] <nixternal> I do know whatever changes you request, in a bzr branch, have to go through intensive security checks before it gets uploaded/approved
[20:15] <stgraber> highvoltage: hehe, ok :)
[20:15] <stgraber> nixternal: yeah, I have to send my code through security review for qa.ubuntu.com, though that's mostly for the PHP code. Python code is a lot easier to get updated :)
[20:15] <stgraber> (as in, I do it live on the server ...)
[20:16] <stgraber> ok, I'll really have to go :)
[20:16] <stgraber> any other businesses ?
[20:16] <highvoltage> yes!
[20:16] <highvoltage>   Liaison with other projects (Qimo, Guadalinex, Sugar, ...)
[20:16] <highvoltage> we
[20:16] <stgraber> oh, thanks, forgot about this one.
[20:16] <highvoltage> we're losing our sugar packages
[20:16] <highvoltage> not sure if you guys saw ogra's mail today
[20:17] <mhall119|work> is GDM theming in Lucid going to be easier than in Karmic?  I'm seriously thinking about pushing back Qimo 2.0 so that I can base it off an LTS
[20:17] <stgraber> It'd be great to have someone taking care of talking with each of them. I have a quite good relationship with the guys at Guadalinex (through their company, Isotrol)
[20:17] <stgraber> mhall119|work: I don't think so, at least not yet.
[20:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: Isotrol? :)
[20:18] <stgraber> do we have someone who'd like to care about sugar, it's quite a bit of work I believe and not something I'd have time to work on myself
[20:18] <highvoltage> they're trolling for isos? :p
[20:18] <stgraber> highvoltage: hehe :)
[20:18] <highvoltage> yeah sugar is way too big a beast for me at this stage
[20:19] <highvoltage> I've talked to mhall119|work before about helping him with some of those artwork packages and getting them into Ubuntu
[20:20] <highvoltage> we need to turn him into a MOTU and Edubuntu-dev (when it exists eventually) as well
[20:21] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: so if you wouldn't mind me being assinged to work on relationship with Qimo I'd be glad to :)
[20:21] <stgraber> would be great
[20:21] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: not that it's all that necessary probably since you're already part of us :)
[20:21] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: half my artwork is obsolete now with XSplash and the new GDM
[20:21] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: I'd love having your help
[20:21] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: great!
[20:21] <stgraber> so I guess we should announce on edubuntu-* that we're looking for someone to work on Sugar ?
[20:22] <stgraber> possibly looking at what's the state in Debian and proposing ways to improve what we have in Ubuntu
[20:22] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I'll give you a ping somewhere between the 4th and 9th and then we can discuss it in some detail?
[20:22] <stgraber> if we don't then I'm affraid we'll have to look at it again for Lucid+1
[20:22] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: we have #qimo registered, if you want to pop in there
[20:22] <mhall119|work> or email me
[20:22] <mhall119|work> mhall119@ubuntu.com
[20:23] <highvoltage> ok
[20:23] <highvoltage> stgraber: +1 on asking for some help on sugar
[20:24]  * stgraber looks at the clock
[20:24] <stgraber> anything else ?
[20:24] <sbalneav> Nope
[20:24] <stgraber> next meeting ?
[20:24] <highvoltage> additionally, I think we should blog about Edubuntu and current plans and progress and since we have work that don't have people assinged to it, invite people to work on those areas (such as sugar)
[20:24] <stgraber> next week or should we wait for after the holidays ?
[20:24] <sbalneav> Why not one after the 21st
[20:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: +1
[20:25] <stgraber> sbalneav: as in, after the wiki day ?
[20:25] <highvoltage> I think we could do another meeting on the 28th and 29th?
[20:25] <highvoltage> (of this month?)
[20:26] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep
[20:26] <sbalneav> Oh, ok, if you want to have one that soon shure.
[20:26] <stgraber> sbalneav: we should really have a meeting quite soon just to handle answers we may get on the list
[20:26] <stgraber> then another before the bug/wiki days so we can prepare them properly
[20:26] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think it's good to do it weekly, I think it's fine if not everyone can make it, but since timelines are short it's probably goot to get people together regularly
[20:26] <sbalneav> Sounds fine.
[20:26] <stgraber> and then one after or something like that
[20:26] <sbalneav> +1
[20:26] <sbalneav> +999
[20:27] <stgraber> it also makes spec tracking a lot easier
[20:27] <stgraber> what about 29th 19UTC ?
[20:27] <highvoltage> indeed, my memory isn't that great so if we spend more than 2 weeks not having a meeting I could forget everything :)
[20:27] <highvoltage> stgraber: +1
[20:28] <stgraber> great, so see you all next week
[20:28] <mgariepy> stgraber, +1
[20:28] <sbalneav> +1
[20:28] <mgariepy> i should be there, but remind me if we see each other ;)
[20:28] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[20:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:28.
[20:29] <stgraber> mgariepy: will do, don't worry :)
[20:29] <highvoltage> heh I'll give you a ping too mgariepy :)
[20:29] <stgraber> you're only like 30s away from my place anyway
[20:29] <highvoltage> it's great seeing Edubuntu in full swing again :D
[20:29]  * highvoltage grabs the meeting bong stick
[20:29] <stgraber> got to go now, was a great meeting, thanks everyone
[20:29] <alkisg> Nice team :)
[20:29] <highvoltage> *BONG*
[20:29] <highvoltage> (we can move to #edubuntu for further discussions, etc)
[20:30] <highvoltage> oh, and remember to blog!!!