[00:31] <davrian> Would anyone happen to know of a decent Subversion web management tool? I looked, tried some solutions that i couldn't get working... anything anyone can recommend?
[00:34] <jmarsden> davrian: The two straightforward (already packaged for Ubuntu) choices would be viewvc and websvn
[00:35] <davrian> brilliant, i will look into that, thanks!
[00:36] <jmarsden> No problem.
[00:39] <davrian> jmarsden: Would I be right in saying that WebSVN is probably the better option...
[00:40] <jmarsden> I'm not really sure.  I'd guess I've seen more viewvc installations "out there" on the web, but I'm not really sure which one is "better".  They are free... try both? :)
[00:41] <davrian> okay, cool! thanks for your help :)
[00:41] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[02:42] <j416> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu 9.10 Server, and realised that this time the installed didn't set up postfix for me, last time it asked a lot of questions like mydestination setting etc. I wonder, why didn't it do that this time I installed?
[02:42] <j416> s/installed/installer/
[02:43] <j416> (last install was just a few hours ago, and the only difference was that I had mistakenly set a numeric host name, which it didn't like)
[02:44] <lamont> base install doesn't install an MTA unless you tell it to
[02:44] <lamont> OTOH, apt-get install postfix will get you postfix...
[02:46] <j416> lamont: it installed postfix alright, I did check "Mail server", but it didn't ask me those questions
[02:46] <j416> I'm just curious why it didn't
[02:48] <Thugal_> dpkg-reconfigure postfix  ?
[02:48] <lamont> probably related to debconf priority
[02:49] <j416> debconf priority..
[02:49] <j416> there
[02:49] <j416> dpkg-reconfigure postfix works great :)
[02:49] <j416> thank you
[05:38] <Sativa> hey i have a netra T1125 made by Sun, and I'm looking to turn it to a server to host a gameserver from my computer.
[05:41] <Sativa> the machine doesn't have a monitor hook-up, so i don't know how to see what i'm doing. xD
[05:55] <ziesemer> Sativa, I'm not at all familiar with the hardware, other than through a quick web search, but I'm guessing it must have some sort of remote interface?  Possibly even just a simple terminal over one of the serial ports?
[06:13] <ziesemer> Can anyone help me figure out why my VLAN interface is no longer receiving traffic?  Only change is a new motherboard.  The network driver apparently switched from "sky2" to "r8169".
[06:16] <jmarsden> ziesemer: It's a guess, but perhaps the vlan interface config file(s) have a MAC address in them, or a driver name, and both of those have changed.  Can you just delete the vlan interface and recreate it on your new hardware?
[06:21] <ziesemer> Where would I find these config files?  As far as I'm aware, the VLAN is more or less just created dynamically through /etc/network/interfaces .
[06:22] <ziesemer> I was thinking something along those lines, though, and allowed the physical interface to move back to the new eth1, so my VLAN is also eth1.5 instead of eth0.5.  Still have the same issue.  ifconfig eth1.5 shows 0 packets / bytes received, but does show the traffic being sent.
[06:26] <jmarsden> I'm not sure... if the vlan stuff depends on the NIC being able to deal with tagged frames, then you should perhaps also check that the new r8169 NIC can handle that.  I'm not sure of the current trends, but a couple of years back there were some NICs which could do the tagging and some which could not.
[06:26] <jmarsden> 802.1q , or something like that?
[06:28] <ziesemer> That is what I'm afraid of.  It's a Mini ITX system, and other than resorting to USB for a 2nd network interface, I really need the VLAN support to work with my network switch and act as a router.
[06:28] <ziesemer> Honestly, I'm trying to find more details about the network driver.  The "sky2" and "r8169" I found were only as comments in the 70-persistent-net.rules udev file.
[06:30] <ziesemer> Searching for "r8169 vlan" online doesn't yield any specific successes or warnings in terms of vlan.  But I'm suprirsed that vconfig doesn't give any errors or warnings, and that the vlan adapter is successful in transmitting, just not receiving.
[06:31] <jmarsden> Agreed.  r8169 is the Realtek gigabit driver... I think it supports a range of R81xx chips.  Doing   sudo lshw -c net   # could get you more details on the hardware you actually have.
[06:35] <ziesemer> It's a "RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller".  Should I be seeing anything about VLAN in the listed capabilities?
[06:37] <ziesemer> I did just find http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28371 , but the symptoms are a bit different.  There, at least, the driver is reporting dropped RX packets.  I've also tried lowering the interface MTU, but I wouldn't think that would be an issue with ping packets.
[06:37] <jmarsden> I'm not sure; that sounds like reasonably modern hardware, so it really "should" have the vlan tagging capabilty, but I don't know how/whether that capability is announced to the world.
[06:37] <jmarsden> And yes, by default ping packets are small.
[06:38] <ziesemer> It's a brand new Intel motherboard.  Not just Intel-based, Intel-branded.  I'm rather surprised it didn't just have an Intel network chip on it as well.
[06:50] <ziesemer> Should I file a bug report on this?
[06:51] <jmarsden> You could; it's not clear at this point if it is just a config issue of some sort or a "real" bug, but it can't hurt.
[06:52] <jmarsden> You could also try setting things up so the other system on the VLAN was a machine on which you could run something like wireshark to "see" the packets at that end, so you know for sure the echo reply packets really are going out destined for that vlan interface.  Probably a pain to set up, but it might tell you something more about what is happening.
[06:53] <ziesemer> I can do that.  The low tech approach I've already used is that the LED light blinks on the port of this box when it is pinged from another machine on the VLAN, but the box never "sees" the packet.
[06:54] <jmarsden> OK.  I should go to bed... sorry I can't be more help :)
[06:54] <ziesemer> Also going to try booting from a Live CD, and see if that helps at all.  A bit of a pain, with an older kernel, etc., that will be in use.  Attempting a re-install might be better, but that's a lot of work...
[06:54] <ziesemer> np, thanks for your feedback!
[07:01] <ziesemer> How can I find the version and/or other details of the r8169 driver currently in use?
[07:02] <_ruben> ziesemer: do you see traffic when monitoring the actual interface (not the vlan)?
[07:03] <ziesemer> _ruben, what would be the best way to check?  Run Wireshark or tcpdump on eth1?
[07:04] <ziesemer> Interesting.  tcpdump shows "vlan 5, p 0", with ARP requests.  So eth1 is surely receiving the vlan traffic.
[07:05] <_ruben> indeed
[07:05] <_ruben> so if the vlan interface doesnt see the same traffic, you think the problem is in the vlan part, not the driver
[07:06] <ziesemer> Ran tcpdump against the vlan, and don't see any traffic.  This agreed with the statistics shown on ifconfig.
[07:07] <ziesemer> The other interesting find:  I just downloaded the r8169 Linux driver available straight from Realtek.  The "DCONFIG_R8169_VLAN" compile flag is disabled in the default makefile.
[07:07] <ziesemer> So I'm thinking I'll try recompiling that with the flag enabled, and use it as my new driver to see if that helps.  But I'd like to find the details of what I currently have in this aspect...
[07:16] <ziesemer> Of course it can't be that easy.  Errors compiling...
[07:27] <ziesemer> It seems I need to have the linux-source packages.  I'm offline, due to the network issue, so I can't just use apt-get.  Apparently, I'm slightly out-of-date with the kernel, at 2.6.31-15, where http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/linux-source is showing 2.6.31-16.  Where can I find the -15 to download?
[07:29] <ScottK> ziesemer: Look on Launchpad.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source
[07:30] <ziesemer> ScottK: "Error: Page not found".  And browsing http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ , I don't see any -15 package...
[07:31] <ziesemer> I'm assuming I need the -14 or -16 package instead?
[07:33] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-15.50
[07:33] <ziesemer> Excellent, thanks!
[07:34] <ziesemer> Err, no *.deb files?
[07:35] <ScottK> There are links
[07:36] <ziesemer> Ahh, builds.
[07:38] <ziesemer> ?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-15.50/+build/1339885 has no linux-source-* .
[07:38] <ziesemer> Sorry, I've really not had to do this offline before...
[07:38] <ScottK> Now you need me to understand how they build the kernel and I really don't.
[07:39] <ziesemer> I just used the low-tech approach.  :-)  Ran Synaptic, and told it to install.  Now I have an error dialog showing the file download location:  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/...
[07:41] <ziesemer> And it's not there, either.  Ugh...
[07:42] <ziesemer> It's as if -15 never existed.
[07:43] <_ruben> -16 is probably a security update, which 'kills' -15 on the mirrors .. atleast, that's what i've been keep telling myself :p
[07:43] <_ruben> and you most likely dont need the full source, just the headers will do most of the time
[07:43] <ziesemer> Finally.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-15.50/+build/1339887 .
[07:44] <ziesemer> I had the headers, and had the compile errors.  Driver readme has requirements of "kernel source tree", so I'll give it a try...
[07:53] <_ruben> ah
[07:54] <ziesemer> All that, and it still doesn't compile.  A lot of "'struct net_device' has no member named '...'".
[08:27] <_ruben> ziesemer: sounds like it cant properly handle your kernel version (eg: old driver which doesnt know about recent kernel changes)
[08:31] <ziesemer> Yep.  :-(
[08:32] <ziesemer> I just sent an email to Realtek, see what good it does.  Seems related to this:  http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/27566/
[08:33] <ziesemer> Seems that the r8168 driver may have better overall support.  May have to give that a try...
[08:43] <_ruben> ziesemer: are you sure that option isnt enabled by default btw? i dont have any karmic boxes handy i think, but hardy-jaunty have it enabled
[08:43] <ziesemer> Which "option"?
[08:46] <_ruben> CONFIG_R8169_VLAN .. oh .. you refered to the default of the source provided by realtek, not the actual ubuntu kernels
[08:47] <ziesemer> Right.  Finding the details of what is used in the actual Ubuntu kernels is something else I was trying to do, though...
[08:47] <ziesemer> The best I came up with so far was running "strings" against the r8169 .ko file.
[08:48] <_ruben> check /boot/config* :)
[08:50] <ziesemer> I didn't know about that.  Very handy - thanks!  Yes, CONFIG_R8169_VLAN=y .
[08:50] <ziesemer> But it still is certainly not without issue, and I'm guessing due to it being an "older" driver.
[08:50] <ziesemer> But now I'm finding that maybe r8168 is a better match to my hardware anyway...
[08:54] <ziesemer> Ugh.  Got r8168 to compile.  Again, seems to be a better match for my hardware anyway.  But still no progress with the VLAN.
[09:37] <freaky[t]_> is there a default ubuntu setup for mail server with mysql for several domains ?
[09:41] <_ruben> freaky[t]_: dont think so .. but there's tons of howto's to be found for such a setup
[10:37] <j416> hi. How can I prevent apt-get from installing things from guessing what I wanted?
[10:37] <j416> i typed: apt-get install git
[10:38] <j416> and it seems to have installed something called gnuit o_O
[10:40] <_ruben> because most likely you want to install git-core instead
[10:40] <_ruben> !info git
[10:41] <_ruben> !info git hardy
[10:41] <_ruben> j416: it didnt guess, it just didnt install the package you wanted (most likely)
[10:42] <j416> I want it to at least ask me if I mean gnuit, before installing it by itself
[10:42] <_ruben> which ubuntu version do you use?
[10:43] <j416> 9.10 64-bit
[10:43] <j416> (is 'git' an alias for 'gnuit'? o_O)
[10:43] <_ruben> yes
[10:44] <_ruben> Package git
[10:44] <_ruben>     * karmic: Virtual package
[10:44] <_ruben>       provided by: gnuit
[10:44] <j416> oh..
[10:44] <j416> that explains it
[10:44] <_ruben> gnuit is new name of git
[10:44] <j416> ok. well well )
[10:44] <j416> thanks
[10:44] <j416> :)
[10:44] <j416> i thought it was expanding git to gnuit
[10:44] <j416> i restored it from my vm image backup now anyway, and going to install git-core. Thank you!
[10:45] <_ruben> wouldnt surprise if lucid or newer would remove the git virtual package (once all dependencies are resolved) .. to avoid the confusing between git (the vcs) and gnuit
[10:45] <j416> it would be handy if apt-get could always ask though
[10:46] <j416> apt-get install X; "This will install package X, continue? [y/n]"
[10:47] <j416> hm. well well
[10:57] <_ruben> wouldnt surprise if apt's configurable in a way to always ask to continue, not just when additional packages are to be isntalled
[10:59] <j416> maybe! :)
[11:02] <imagodei> Ubuntu 9.04 server running on Single Board Computer AMD GEODE Wafer-LX3. I installed festival text-to-speech, but I got error message: "Linux: can't open /dev/dsp". I installed ALSA and set .festivalrc according to these instructions: http://aanugraha.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/festival-cant-open-devdsp/. Still no joy, getting message that aplay does not recognize file format. I'm noob, be gentle :)
[11:03] <_ruben> when im about to install 'unknown' software, i usualy use -s .. it'll show what'll be installed, but wont do it
[11:04] <_ruben> text-to-speach on a server .. how odd .. my servers dont even have audio devices
[11:15] <imagodei> I wouldnt consider using server, but this SBC is not some powerful machine... Can't afford Gnome or KDE
[11:20] <freaky[t]_> _ruben ok thank you ;)
[11:21] <katakbuta> how do you prevent users from using ssh to tunnel their application
[11:34] <_ruben> block ssh traffic
[12:18] <j416> how can I check if package X is installed?
[12:18] <alkisg> dpkg -l X ?
[12:19] <j416> seems to work! thank you! :)
[12:23] <alkisg> What's a good domain name to use for private sites, e.g. to setup LDAP etc? .local is reserved for mdns (avahi), so what else is commonly used? .localdomain?
[12:52] <kwork> http://no.life.ee/kvm-error.txt <-- any ideas what could be wrong
[12:55] <pmatulis> kwork: ensure that virtualization extensions are enabled in your BIOS
[12:55] <kwork> uh hmmmz
[12:55] <pmatulis> kwork: what?
[12:55] <kwork> i dont reboot my boxes :P
[12:56] <kwork> but okey will give it a try thanks for hint
[13:30] <Shubuntu> hi, where do i go to find help for poptop?
[13:32] <j416> Shubuntu: google
[13:32] <j416> Shubuntu: http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/
[13:32] <j416> :)
[13:32] <Shubuntu> j416, isn't there a chatroom?
[13:33] <Shubuntu> i'm having difficulty setting it up to use
[13:33] <Shubuntu> i'm trying to connect from windows clients and browse from my servers instead
[13:42] <imagodei> Ubuntu 9.04 server running on Single Board Computer AMD GEODE Wafer-LX3. I installed festival text-to-speech, but I got error message: "Linux: can't open /dev/dsp". I installed ALSA and set .festivalrc according to these instructions: http://aanugraha.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/festival-cant-open-devdsp/. Still no joy, getting message that aplay does not recognize file format. I would like to...
[13:42] <imagodei> ...make this machine speak. I'm noob, be gentle :)
[13:48] <_ruben> Shubuntu: unless you really want to use windows' builtin vpn client, i'd suggest looking into openvpn, its a breeze to setup
[13:49] <arj> it's a pain on vista
[13:49] <arj> and even more so on 7
[13:49] <Shubuntu> well my clients are kinda limited on installing anything
[13:49] <Shubuntu> they can only use whatever is there
[13:49] <Shubuntu> it's a work network
[13:49] <Shubuntu> and they block everything
[13:50] <Shubuntu> we want to be able to use skype
[13:50] <Shubuntu> they could run a standalone skype
[13:50] <Shubuntu> and i need them to be able to connect through vpn and run skype
[13:50] <Shubuntu> so they can do voice chat
[13:52] <Shubuntu> _ruben, if openvpn can do that i'm up for it, I don't have a preference on software, just the end results
[13:52] <Shubuntu> some companies are just stupid, they lock skype and youtube etc out
[13:53] <Shubuntu> and I want to be able to communicate with my friends
[14:13] <alkisg> What's a good domain name to use for private sites, e.g. to setup LDAP etc? .local is reserved for mdns (avahi), so what else is commonly used? .localdomain?
[14:14] <Sam-I-Am> localdomain works, or localnet
[14:14] <Sam-I-Am> or just make something up
[14:14] <alkisg> OK, I was just looking for a common one. Thanks!
[14:17] <ankit_babbar1> hello
[14:17] <ankit_babbar1> can any body help me in openldap
[14:18] <ankit_babbar1> tough this may be not a right place but i have ask many times in forum
[14:20] <ankit_babbar1> ?
[14:23] <Sam-I-Am> ankit_babbar1: theres often help in #openldap as well
[14:24] <bogeyd6> When using apt-get remove, for a bunch of packages. How can you make it ignore any that are missing? I have like 89 packages that i copied from a website to remove the gnome desktop and turn it into a server.
[14:25] <ankit_babbar1> ny other active irc?
[14:32] <bogeyd6> Anyone know the command to remove the gnome desktop and just go to a command line install?
[14:33] <ankit_babbar1> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:33] <ankit_babbar1> or try the server version rather
[14:34] <bogeyd6> ankit_babbar1, trying to get to server version without uninstalling
[14:36] <bogeyd6> ankit_babbar1,  that command doesnt work
[14:36] <bogeyd6> apt-get remove gnome* worked great
[14:36] <ankit_babbar1> kk
[14:38] <ankit_babbar1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[14:40] <ankit_babbar1> ldap help plllzz
[14:56] <alkisg> ankit_babbar1: are you looking for something specific? or just the first steps?
[15:14] <RoyK> http://rampantgames.com/blog/uploaded_images/redneckchristmas-724870.jpg
[15:45] <Aison> i've got a nice lvm drive. quite simple setup, just one logical volume with one physical volume
[15:46] <Aison> but after rebout, it's not available
[15:46] <Aison> quite strange
[15:47] <oru_work> for some reason mysql and other services that are associated with it are taking up way more memory than it should
[15:47] <oru_work> can someone help me resolve this issue ?
[15:49] <oru_work> a logbot for irc that i am running shows that its using 640 mb of ram
[16:28] <oru_work> can someone have a look at this and maybe hint me on why this logbot is taking up so much memory http://picasaweb.google.com/pavel.mishuk/Rootforum?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6wxsTCtvLMnAE#slideshow/5418465757081133410
[16:42] <oru_work> can someone hint me on why this tiny program is taking up so much memory , this is a copy paste from htop http://dpaste.com/137068/
[16:44] <jpds> oru_work: I think the actual memory usage is the 0.9.
[16:46] <Aison> how do I setup a syslog server?
[16:48] <Aison> oh, found it, /etc/rsyslog.conf
[17:14] <teddymills> Is JEOS considered good enough for production/client vms?
[17:15] <teddymills> I have been installing full Ubuntu 9.10 installs, but if JEOS is good enough, I would rather install the much smaller JEOS
[17:15] <jpds> JeOS is really just a stripped down version of Ubuntu.
[18:44] <blackxored> .hello fellow
[18:44] <blackxored> I am using backuppc
[18:44] <blackxored> and worked properly
[18:44] <blackxored> on a virtual machine
[18:45] <blackxored> now I started virtualization for real
[18:45] <blackxored> setting up a server with backuppc
[18:45] <blackxored> now I get NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
[18:45] <blackxored> each time a backup task is run
[18:45] <blackxored> can you help me to spot why's that? the server is ubuntu 8.04.3 and it's outside the domain BTW
[19:52] <kantxx> anyone here know if theres a bacula 3.x repo for 9.10?
[19:54] <fluvvell> I have a problem, after upgrading my raid array and removing old elements, hardy 8.04 fails to  boot the array. I can load it under a live cd and it checks ok, but after grub says its installed on ok, I get no boot
[19:54] <fluvvell> I can chroot onto the array and run stuff on there too.
[19:54] <fluvvell> Raid1
[19:56] <fluvvell> So, in summary, raid1, 8.04 server, data intact but not booting.
[19:58] <genii> fluvvell: Any grub/mount error messages?
[19:58] <fluvvell> no, grub-install seemed happy to write to /dev/md0
[19:59] <genii> fluvvell: During boot attempt from raid1 which fails
[19:59] <fluvvell> Ah, well no it just sits there with a blinking cursor
[20:00] <fluvvell> genii: Doesn't get to the grub menu
[20:00] <genii> Sounds like some mbr issue then. Is one of the drives on the array normally the primary master ?
[20:01] <genii> ( in the order which bios looks for drives to boot from)
[20:01] <guntbert> fluvvell: wild guess: did uuids change?
[20:01] <fluvvell> genii: they're sata, but no I've just looked and fdisk shows them further down
[20:01] <fluvvell> genii: uuid of the raid array?
[20:02] <genii> fluvvell: Yes, guntbert means the md0 UUID
[20:02] <fluvvell> genii: no, i upgraded by adding two new drives one after the other then pulling the old drives once the array was clean.
[20:02] <genii> fluvvell: My first suspect is that sda is where you want grub and not md0
[20:03] <fluvvell> genii: yes, but grub complains that it can't mount that when I have the md0 mounted to chroot into
[20:03] <fluvvell> genii: so should I change the sata plugs so that one of the array elements is sda1 ?
[20:04] <fluvvell> guntbert: sorry, too quick to type before checking who to reply to :-)
[20:06] <guntbert> fluvvell: np - please keep to genii - no raid experience here
[20:06] <fluvvell> I'll reboot with that and see. I've tried so many combinations so far, (thanks guntbert)
[20:07] <guntbert> fluvvell: Good luck :-)
[20:07] <fluvvell> guntbert, I need it. I'm onto day 3 of outage and worried.
[20:08] <genii> Sorry on lag, work requires me for periods here (this why I am mostly /away currently)
[20:09] <mcas> hi
[20:09] <Doonz> Hey guys im looking for a tutoreil that would show me the idiot steps (as in every step from a to z) in regards to starting up ubuntu server and have programs auto start in byobu each in their own window
[20:10] <mcas> is there a package for icinga?
[20:31] <fluvvell> genii: grub complains that it cannot mount selected partition - I'm chrooted into the md0, trying to install via grub> root (hd0)       then  setup (hd0,0)
[20:40] <fluvvell> genii: ok, i used grub-install and now its booting! I just have an issue with fsck to work out re uuid,
[20:52] <Bookman> I was running 9.04 and was able to share my laser printer over the internet with CUPS with no issues.  I recently upgraded to 9.10 and now I can no longer access my printer over the internet.  Not sure what to check.
[20:53] <Bookman> It allows printers to print to it over the local network with no issues though.
[21:16] <mrbig4545> hey guys, ive installed ubuntu server, i want to set up apache2 + svn+ dav
[21:16] <mrbig4545> but i cant find mod_dav_svn anywhere
[21:17] <mrbig4545> any ideas?
[21:17] <mrbig4545> hmm, i think its coz universe isnt working proper
[21:24] <ziesemer> I've been working on getting a similar setup complete.
[21:25] <ziesemer> As I recall, I just built SVN from the latest source (since the latest available in the Ubuntu repositories always seems a bit dated), and mod_dav_svn is built as part of this.
[21:25] <mrbig4545> apparently i need libapache2-svn
[21:25] <mrbig4545> but aptitude says it doesnt exist
[21:25] <mrbig4545> i think my repos are configured wrong
[21:26] <mrbig4545> ziesemer: does sound like a plan
[21:58] <Bookman> Where can I find information on setting up my 9.10 machine for syslog serving?
[22:01] <guntbert> bookman its rsyslogd now - somewhere I have something
[22:03] <maxb> man rsyslog.conf would probably be a good start
[22:03] <guntbert> Bookman: http://www.ubuntu.com/system/files/CentralLogging-v4-20090901-03.pdf and http://kwlug.org/files/2009-08-10-syslog-servers.pdf
[22:04] <Bookman> guntbert, Thanks!  Perfect documentation.
[22:05] <Bookman> guntbert, and the kwlug reference is local for me.
[22:05] <guntbert> Bookman: glad to help - I already made good use of it :)
[22:29] <da65> hi all
[22:30] <da65> Deb etc is dead soon
[22:30] <da65> I need to install another system
[22:30] <da65> bunt server any good then?
[22:31] <da65> I need root tho
[22:31] <da65> well thanks for your help anyway
[22:35] <irc_newb> can anyone help me with my ssh server?
[22:39] <jpds> Some people don't know the meaning of patience.
[23:22] <kees> mathiaz: say, can I give you the exim4 merge?  (or to ttx maybe?)