[00:31] <BUGabundo> any one knows what this means
[00:31] <BUGabundo> ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]
[00:38] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, notice anything strange about chromium-browser today?
[00:38] <crimsun> BUGabundo: need more info than that
[00:38] <crimsun> BUGabundo: also, we've fixed the codec setup issue, so if you have time, we can try the powerdown fixes for your HDA controller
[00:40] <BUGabundo> crimsun: not tonight
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I just got into bed
[00:40] <BUGabundo> just seeing what's up , and sleep in a bit
[00:40] <BUGabundo> ping me tomorrow
[00:40] <BUGabundo> if you are sitting in front of a pc
[00:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: like?
[00:41] <bjsnider> browser window assuming the full length of the webpage instead of creating a scrollbar
[00:43] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: well I only opened gmail and vodafone.pt
[00:43] <BUGabundo> didn't notice anyrhing weird in neither
[00:43] <BUGabundo> any site you want me to test all my browsers?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> about my prob, I'm getting that while using n2n
[00:44] <BUGabundo> it was working fine all week
[00:44] <BUGabundo> up until now
[00:44] <BUGabundo> nothing in my logs
[00:44] <BUGabundo> only on cli, when started
[00:45] <BUGabundo> it simply dies
[00:45] <bjsnider> crimsun, can you run jack and pulse at the same time?
[00:45] <crimsun> you can do anything you want
[00:46] <crimsun> we only have jack1 in Ubuntu, however, which does not have the dbus handoff work
[00:46] <bjsnider> which would be using which?
[00:46] <crimsun> -EPARSE
[00:47] <crimsun> jack1 and pulse will race on hw:, if that's what you're asking
[00:47] <bjsnider> what does that mean "race on hw"?
[00:47] <crimsun> if jackd grabs hw:, then it will have exclusive access to the sound devices, and pulseaudio will lose the race thus giving you a dummy/null sink/source
[00:48] <crimsun> if pulseaudio grabs hw:, then it will have exclusive access to the sound devices, and jackd will lose the race and complain bitterly
[00:48] <bjsnider> so pulse could not act as a middle-man for jack and vice versa
[00:48] <crimsun> neither can
[00:48] <crimsun> if anything, dbus is the proposed "middle man"
[00:48] <bjsnider> well, there's a ppa whre pulseaudio is patched to, i dunno use jack or whatever.
[00:49] <crimsun> the issue upstream is that jack has no way of saying "I'm done"
[00:49] <BUGabundo> crimsun: sound is cliping
[00:49] <BUGabundo> and flanging
[00:49] <crimsun> BUGabundo: that's great, go to sleep and ping me in the morning.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> lolol
[00:50] <BUGabundo> let me check paman
[00:50] <BUGabundo> to see if it is not above 100%
[00:50] <crimsun> bjsnider: "patched to"? Meaning pulse is built with jack support?
[00:50] <BUGabundo> 88% actually
[00:51] <crimsun> bjsnider: that doesn't resolve the unerlying race that I described
[00:51] <bjsnider> crimsun, it would seems so. but what does jack support eve mean?
[00:52] <crimsun> bjsnider: it means pulse can use jack as a sink and as a source
[00:52] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/~motin/+archive/until-jack-is-included-in-main
[00:53] <crimsun> yes, I've corresponded with him
[00:53] <crimsun> his first attempts at versioning were abysmal
[00:53] <bjsnider> somebody's bugging me to add jack support the libxine
[00:53] <bjsnider> can't do it
[00:54] <crimsun> huh?
[00:54] <crimsun> just look at the original Debian source package
[00:55] <bjsnider> it's awfully, awfully difficult
[00:55] <crimsun> what are you talking about?
[00:55] <bjsnider> jack is going to be in main i think
[00:55] <bjsnider> nothing. just joking around
[00:56] <crimsun> jack *will* be in main as soon people get off their arses and finish the documentation (MIR)
[00:58] <bjsnider> what is portaudio?
[00:59] <crimsun> another API
[00:59] <bjsnider> why can't we just have ONE audio system that's flexible enough that it does everything?
[01:00] <crimsun> christ, that's what we're trying to do
[01:00] <BUGabundo> Dec 24 00:35:48 BluBUG pulseaudio[1481]: ratelimit.c: 105 events suppressed
[01:00] <BUGabundo> sigh
[01:00] <crimsun> BUGabundo: that doesn't mean a thing
[01:01] <BUGabundo> means a 20MBs log :)
[01:01] <crimsun> people look at ratelimit and go "oh no"
[01:01] <BUGabundo> its writing ervery 10 sec
[01:01] <crimsun> BUGabundo: seriously, it very probably means your sound hw is broken, and we're unable to work around it in the driver
[01:01] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:01] <BUGabundo> we know its broken
[01:01] <BUGabundo> you proved it yesterday
[01:01] <bjsnider> so's his graphics card
[01:02] <crimsun> no, yesterday was a bug
[01:02] <crimsun> takashi and I fixed it early this morning
[01:02] <SoftwareExplorer> crisum:I'm getting ready to report a Lucid bug. Every time an application starts to play a sound or stops playing a sound there is a pop/click. Does you know if I should report this as a bug for the pulseaudio package or the linux package?
[01:02] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: don't bother, I already know about powerdown issues.
[01:03] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not sure gpu is broken... from what I've been reading, I think savat was wrong. this card is proposely cripped by manufatured
[01:03] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: technically it's a linux issue, but the symptom is *caused* by an addition to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, which is owned by the alsa-driver source package.
[01:03] <bjsnider> what?
[01:03] <bjsnider> the manufacturer cannopt cripple the purevideo hardware
[01:03] <bjsnider> they could cripple the windows driver
[01:04] <bjsnider> but the hardware would not be crippled
[01:04] <crimsun> oh but the OEM can do anything
[01:04] <crimsun> there's this thing called a "bios"
[01:04] <bjsnider> crimsun, not without opening the case and hacking it with a screwdriver
[01:04] <crimsun> (and don't tell me efi is any better)
[01:04] <SoftwareExplorer> crimsun: Ok, thanks.
[01:04] <crimsun> bjsnider: it doesn't have to have anything to do with physically crippling it
[01:05] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not like that
[01:05] <bjsnider> they can cripple the windblows driver and that's all. the purevideo hardware cannot be disabled in the bios
[01:05] <BUGabundo> basicly this model is a entrance model
[01:05] <BUGabundo> so they used less pipes
[01:05] <BUGabundo> 16 instead of regular 32
[01:05] <bjsnider> pipes?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> so it "can't" do vdpay
[01:05] <bjsnider> did you ask nvidia about this?
[01:05] <crimsun> bjsnider: dude, you can do a *lot* in bios. you can intercept all sorts of junk.
[01:06] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: its words from nvidia dev on their forum
[01:06] <BUGabundo> about the g85 vs g90 GPU core
[01:06] <bjsnider> i'd like to see that post
[01:06] <BUGabundo> easy
[01:06] <bjsnider> take that craptop back and get a better one
[01:06] <bjsnider> you got robbed
[01:06] <BUGabundo> google nvidia forum 8400 vdpau
[01:06] <BUGabundo> its on board
[01:07] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: which codec do you have? head -6 /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[01:07] <bjsnider> if that happened then the windows purevideo driver would also not work
[01:08] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no idea
[01:08] <BUGabundo> maybe it doesn't
[01:08] <BUGabundo> I never put win in this laptop
[01:09] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, who manufactured that thing? which oem?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> asustek
[01:09] <BUGabundo> model S27S
[01:09] <BUGabundo> *S37S
[01:09] <SoftwareExplorer> crimsun: "Conexant CX20549 (Venice)" ,  when I ran the command it did pop/click
[01:09] <bjsnider> asus?
[01:10] <i_is_broke> what the heck is byobu?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not quite... it's the factory that used to assemble Asus laptop
[01:10] <BUGabundo> now asus has a new factory
[01:10] <crimsun> SoftwareExplorer: ok, thanks. I should have fixes for that in a few days
[01:10] <BUGabundo> !google byobu
[01:11] <SoftwareExplorer> crimsun: Thanks for working on Ubuntu :)
[01:12] <bjsnider> SoftwareExplorer, that's very different from the messages he usually sees in here
[01:52] <jherraez> hey there, im trying the lucid alpha 1 on a virtual machine, and it demands login/pw , which i  have no idea what it could be...
[01:55] <Tscheesy> hm.. on the ARM from schratch it was ubuntu:ubuntu
[01:57] <jherraez> its not that, guess i should have download the alpha instead of the daily build
[01:59] <Tscheesy> can't help sry
[02:21] <arand> jherraez: is this the livecd asking?
[02:23] <jherraez> booted from the daily build , selected try without changes, eventually gdm appeared asking for a login, throw typical "ubuntu" and "guest" at it, no luck
[02:25] <arand> jherraez: default login is ubuntu with no password, I think
[02:26] <jherraez> nope, when i type ubuntu it will play the usual failure song, won't even ask for a pw
[02:28] <jherraez> thx anyway, im goin to sleep now, ill just wait for alpha 2 to try again
[02:28] <arand> That to me indicates some form of mess-up.. (redownload?/wait for next daily build?) dunno though.
[05:02] <SoftwareExplorer> I'm trying to get a backtrace for an xserver bug. The machine I'm using has a nvidia card, and I haven't installed the proprietary driver. What debug symbol packages should I install? I have already added the ddebs repository(s)
[05:02] <bjsnider> SoftwareExplorer, what driver are you using then?
[05:03] <RAOF> SoftwareExplorer: libc6, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-(nv,vesa - depending on your driver), various xserver-xorg-input-* packages...
[05:03] <SoftwareExplorer> I don't know a lot about how the xserver works, how would I find out what driver?
[05:03] <RAOF> grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:03] <bjsnider> you're probably using the awesome nv driver then
[05:04] <SoftwareExplorer> it lists fb, nv and vesa
[05:05] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: so when you say, for example, libc6 I should add "-dbgsym" to the end of it?
[05:06] <RAOF> Yup.
[05:06] <RAOF> You'd add -dbgsym to all those package names.
[05:06] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: Ok, got. Thanks. I'll see what I can get
[05:07] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: Sorry, I meant "Ok, got it."  (oops)
[05:07] <RAOF> X's backtrace itself can help in working out what dbgsym packages you need - ie: if nv_drv.so appears in the backtrace, you'll need the dbgsym package for the package containing nv_drv.so, which you can find using "dpkg -S nv_drv.so".
[05:08] <SoftwareExplorer> RAOF: Wow, thanks, that will help a lot. I was kind of wondering if I could find out what package a file belonged to.
[05:09] <RAOF> dpkg -S is awesomely useful, yes.  If you're looking for "what package contains this file that I don't have", then apt-file is what you're after.
[05:17] <SoftwareExplorer> GDB says "Reading symbols from /usr/bin/Xorg...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg...(no debugging symbols found)...done." is that bad? dpkg -S Xorg has the line "xserver-xorg-core-dbgsym: /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg" which I have installed. So wouldn't I have the package that has what I need already installed?
[05:19] <RAOF> That's OK; it's read debugging symbols for Xorg, and it can't find debugging symbols for the debugging symbols of Xorg.
[05:22] <SoftwareExplorer>  RAOF: Thanks :)
[05:39] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[05:39] <billybigrigger> i did an update-manager -d upgrade to lucid today and upon reboot, i'm stuck at a grub rescue screen with grub rescue>
[05:39] <billybigrigger> something about the symbol `grub_gettext` not found
[05:39] <billybigrigger> any clues?
[05:40] <billybigrigger> there is one forum post i've dug up and it's a pretty new thread, only 3 posts, and the solution doesn't work for me
[05:40] <billybigrigger> what is the latest vmlinuz image? maybe i can manually boot it, but have no way of telling what kernel i have
[05:44] <i_is_broke> 2.6.31-17 is what i got.
[05:45] <billybigrigger> whats the standard 64bit kernel?
[05:45] <billybigrigger> -686
[05:45] <billybigrigger> vmlinuz-2.6.31-17-686 file not found
[05:45] <billybigrigger> :(
[05:47] <i_is_broke> wait wrong grub..sorry hold on a sec.
[05:47] <i_is_broke> 2.6.32-9
[05:50] <billybigrigger> i_is_broke: you there?
[05:50] <i_is_broke> yeah
[05:51] <billybigrigger> thought i lost my connection
[05:51] <i_is_broke> na your still here..lol
[05:53] <billybigrigger> hmm
[05:53] <billybigrigger> 2.6.32-9 doesn't exist either
[05:53] <billybigrigger> sigh
[05:54] <billybigrigger> this sucks
[05:59] <i_is_broke> when did you last update?
[06:00] <i_is_broke> i have -5 threw -9
[06:01] <i_is_broke> might try with generic-pae on it.
[06:01] <billybigrigger> 00000000000000000000
[06:01] <billybigrigger> ...............................................................................3
[06:01] <billybigrigger> 0
[06:01] <billybigrigger> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[06:01] <billybigrigger> 0.
[06:01] <i_is_broke> hmmm?
[06:01] <billybigrigger> oh my, sorry, was trying to type over the laptop on my other machine
[06:02] <i_is_broke> lol np.
[06:02] <billybigrigger> ahh ls /boot works from rescue promt :P
[06:02] <billybigrigger> its 32-9-generic
[06:02] <billybigrigger> not 686 like i was trying
[06:03] <i_is_broke> figured it was something simple...just didnt know which one it was.
[06:07] <billybigrigger> ok now i'm at a busy box shell
[06:07] <billybigrigger> telling me to try root = /dev/sda1
[06:07] <i_is_broke> well thats a step closer..lol
[06:07] <billybigrigger> not hda1
[06:08] <billybigrigger> never used a busy box shell
[06:08] <billybigrigger> i don't see any commands to set root boot device though
[06:08] <billybigrigger> ls
[06:09] <crimsun> set root foo, e.g., set root (hd0,1)
[06:09] <crimsun> we deprecated -686 many releases ago
[06:11] <billybigrigger> crimsun: just going of the only solution i've found for my problem
[06:11] <billybigrigger> kernel in question was 2.6.31-1-686 so....yeah
[06:12] <crimsun> ...from Debian?
[06:13] <billybigrigger> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361013
[06:13] <billybigrigger> now i'm getting target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
[06:13] <crimsun> -1- is very old
[06:13] <billybigrigger> no init found try passing init= bootarg
[06:13] <billybigrigger> i'm using 2.6.32-9-generic
[06:14] <crimsun> you really should use an alternate installer in rescue mode
[06:14] <billybigrigger> i don't have an install disk, this was from a karmic upgrade
[06:15] <crimsun> you don't have a live image, either?
[06:15] <crimsun> (you're seriously running a development version with no alternate installer or desktop installer?)
[06:16] <billybigrigger> yup
[06:17] <billybigrigger> jaunty+1 was beautiful for me, not any problems like this ever
[06:17] <crimsun> just saying that it's foolhardy not to have a rescue mode available
[06:18] <crimsun> it sounds like you haven't gotten a real / yet
[06:19] <billybigrigger> i can ls in busy box and it show's my /
[06:21] <crimsun> do you have /sbin/init ?
[06:21] <billybigrigger> no
[06:21] <crimsun> do you have /sbin on a separate partition?
[06:21] <billybigrigger> no
[06:21] <crimsun> then it isn't your real /
[06:22] <billybigrigger> have a good suggestion for a live usb?
[06:22] <billybigrigger> slax usb download link is broken
[06:23] <crimsun> anything that boots and ships /usr/sbin/chroot is a good candidate
[06:23] <crimsun> were you current with updates?
[06:25] <billybigrigger> yeah just updated karmic, then did a update-manager -d upgrade to lucid
[06:26] <crimsun> mountall 2.2 or 2.3?
[06:26] <billybigrigger> your speaking chinese
[06:31] <billybigrigger> crimsun: what is mountall? 2.2 or 2.3?
[06:31] <i_is_broke> i just updated that..
[06:32] <i_is_broke> we just went in to 2.3.
[06:33] <i_is_broke> i have thought about and think i will from now on out im going to save a list of all the updates that i get, on my production box so i can go back and see incase of things like this.
[06:34] <crimsun> apt and dpkg both have logs in /var/log/
[06:43] <i_is_broke> crimsun yeah but if you cant get into them...they wont do you any good, thats why i said i was going to put them on my production box so i can have them for fubar moments.
[06:44] <billybigrigger> hmm this sucks
[06:44] <billybigrigger> so much for passing out to heroes tonight :P
[06:46] <crimsun> i_is_broke: there should not be a reason you can't get to them provided you always keep a method for chrooting into the install
[06:46] <crimsun> i.e., an alternate installer disc/image
[06:47] <i_is_broke> ah thats true, i guess i should make one as well...the only thing i got right now is karmics install disk..
[06:47] <crimsun> you could also configure rsyslog to log remotely, too
[06:50] <i_is_broke> cant i just copy them threw ssh?
[06:51] <i_is_broke> crimsun you got to remember im still learning this stuff...
[06:52] <crimsun> i_is_broke: sure, there are many roads to Rome
[06:53] <i_is_broke> crimsun that is what i like about linux theres more then one way to do something or run something unlike windows where you have to do everything there way or it borks everything.
[06:55] <i_is_broke> that and the fact that everytime a new windows version is release you almost have to buy a new computer to get it to run.
[06:56] <i_is_broke> linux im pressed me when i had my old 2x2x6 burner and windows wouldnt run it any more, but i installed linux and it worked like a charm..slow as hell but still worked.
[07:10] <i_is_broke> what the hey ....cant the find something else to spam..that one is getting old.
[09:45] <knittl> bjsnider: merry christmas! are you there? :)
[09:48] <nanomad> is anyone having issues with grub? update-grub locks up here
[09:50] <nanomad> nvm, it worked. It just took a LOT of time, lol
[11:47] <CosmiChaos> Hey, got strange screen-output for Usplash and TTYs, guess its related to xorg-nv, because nvidia-glx is installed and correctly working for desktop mode
[11:47] <CosmiChaos> any idea?
[11:50] <soee> hi
[11:51] <CosmiChaos> hey its not very useful to have no CONSOLE available because graphic-output is crippled
[11:51] <CosmiChaos> hello anyone of 146?
[11:59] <CosmiChaos> gimp-plugin-registry depends on libcv1, libcvaux1 and libhighgui1 but new sivp 0.5.0-1ubuntu3 upgraded packages to libcv4, libcvaux4 and libhighgui4
[12:17] <CosmiChaos> hey according to synaptic search mode the new section list with one section per source is really nice, great work
[12:18] <CosmiChaos> now when we install a specific package
[12:18] <CosmiChaos> can you add a text in the properties, from which source it comes from, that would be really helpful
[12:19] <CosmiChaos> xD it already is
[12:33] <maxb> Hi, is anyone else experiencing graphics glitching and occasional blank screens requiring a reboot, using Intel graphics hardware in Lucid?
[12:41] <CosmiChaos> maxb,  no but lots a graphic glitches in TTY or during boot and shutdown with Nvidia, nobody here cares
[13:05] <yofel> maxb: me after resuming from suspend
[13:07] <maxb> yofel: bug 492392 is where I've been making notes
[13:07] <maxb> What's your hardware?
[13:07] <maxb> Mine is an Aspire One
[13:07] <yofel> 945GME
[13:07] <yofel> (eeePC 1000H)
[13:08] <yofel> yep, that sounds like the bug
[13:09] <maxb> hmm... well at least it affects enough common hardware that it ought to get some attention :-)
[13:10] <maxb> hmm... seems I've developed a gdm-fails-to-start race condition too
[13:11] <yofel> yeah, that GPU was pretty much the default for netbooks for a while
[13:13] <maxb> Well... that was novel. Having persuaded GDM to start at all, I had to log in three times before it managed it without crashing
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:59] <om26er> i unplugged the charger but still the battery status show full
[16:30] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[16:31] <billybigrigger> anyone had problems with grub booting to rescue mode after an upgrade to lucid?
[16:31] <billybigrigger> i'm stuck at the rescue prompt giving me about symbol grub_gettext not found
[16:35] <billybigrigger> crimsun: ping
[16:35] <yofel> I don't have that but I'm certain a few people reported the same
[16:35] <yofel> *error
[16:35] <billybigrigger> oh yeah?
[16:35] <billybigrigger> i found 1 post on the forums, and the solution doesn't work for me
[16:39] <billybigrigger> yofel: i can get to a busybox shell...but with the error target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
[16:39] <billybigrigger> i think it was crimsun told me i haven't picked the right /
[16:39] <billybigrigger> tried booting (hd0,1) and root = /dev/sda1
[16:39] <yofel> that would explain a few things
[16:40] <billybigrigger> http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361013
[16:40] <billybigrigger> last post
[16:40] <billybigrigger> i get to a busybox shell with that, changing my device names and kernel of course
[16:40] <billybigrigger> but i'm not sure if booting a supergrub disk will tell me how grub see's my disks
[16:42] <yofel> hm... do you have /boot seperate or on / ?
[16:43] <billybigrigger> yofel: haha this sounds amatuer but i don't know
[16:43] <billybigrigger> booting SGD now to peak around
[16:43] <billybigrigger> ahh poop i'm going to need to chroot
[16:44] <yofel> well, I'm still trying to figure out what information grub2 needs to boot the os...
[16:45] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:45] <billybigrigger> found out my / is on sdc1
[16:45] <billybigrigger> and no separate /boot
[16:46] <billybigrigger> and assuming i still remember grub2's naming convention, that should be 2,0 no?
[16:46] <yofel> hm that would be 'set root=(hd2,1)' then
[16:46] <billybigrigger> i know between grub and grub2 they named hdd's different
[16:46] <yofel> no, 2,0 was grub-legacy
[16:46] <billybigrigger> ahh
[16:46] <billybigrigger> ok
[16:46] <yofel> VERY annoying
[16:47] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:47] <billybigrigger> will give that a go
[16:47] <yofel> at least if I understand this correct now...
[16:48] <billybigrigger> understand what
[16:48] <yofel> the numbering
[16:48] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[16:49] <yofel> yep, sdc1 is 2,1, checked the doc
[16:49] <billybigrigger> linux16 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-9-generic root=/dev/sdc1 ro
[16:49] <billybigrigger> file not found
[16:49] <billybigrigger> where as before, using (hd0,1) and /dev/sda1 it found it
[16:49] <billybigrigger> and booted
[16:49] <yofel> o.O
[16:49] <billybigrigger> i have 2 other hard drives, sda and sdb, but root is on sdc
[16:50] <billybigrigger> maybe grub isn't seeing those disks and is naming sdc as sda
[16:50] <billybigrigger> because i can boot my 2.6.32-9-generic kernel using set root hd0,1 and /dev/sda1
[16:50] <yofel> maybe the device.map isn't right?
[16:51] <yofel> hm, and root hd2,1 and /dev/sdc1 ?
[16:51] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[16:51] <yofel> err...
[16:51] <billybigrigger> grub rescue prompt has an ls
[16:51] <yofel> hd0,1  and /dev/sdc1
[16:51] <billybigrigger> after setting rood to hd2,1 and running ls
[16:51] <billybigrigger> i can see i'm not on my / disk
[16:52] <yofel> hehe, good to know...
[16:52] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:53] <billybigrigger> it has to be hd0
[16:53] <billybigrigger> as i can see hd0 hd0,1 hd0,6 hd0,5
[16:53] <billybigrigger> which would be my / /home and swap i assume
[16:53] <billybigrigger> it has to be 0,1
[16:55] <yofel> can you check your device.map somehow?
[16:56] <billybigrigger> hmm
[16:56] <billybigrigger> got to x in low graphics mode
[16:56] <bjsnider> hd0 would not be sdc
[16:56] <billybigrigger> it was root (hd0,1) and /dev/sdc1
[16:56] <bjsnider> it would be sda
[16:56] <billybigrigger> ya i dunno
[16:56] <billybigrigger> i'm in x now
[16:56] <yofel> that would mean your device.map is wrong
[16:56] <billybigrigger> i tried hd0,1 and sda1 and busybox complained it couldn't find /sbin/init
[16:57] <bjsnider> what if you try hd2,1?
[16:57] <billybigrigger> hd2,1 is my music drive
[16:57] <bjsnider> is your root hard drive not plugged into the first sata port?
[16:58] <billybigrigger> ls at the grub rescue prompt showed hd0 hd0,1 hd0,5 hd 06, hd1 hd1,1 hd2 hd2,1
[16:58] <billybigrigger> bjsnider: no, root is on sdc1
[16:58] <billybigrigger> in my device.map
[16:58] <billybigrigger> hd0 /dev/sda
[16:58] <billybigrigger> hd1 sdb
[16:58] <billybigrigger> hd2 sdc
[16:58] <bjsnider> yes but i mean physically, is it plugged into sata1?
[16:58] <billybigrigger> yeah
[16:59] <billybigrigger> oooh wait a minute, i was screwing around with my sata ports when i was modding my xbox360
[16:59]  * billybigrigger ponders....
[16:59] <billybigrigger> :)1
[16:59] <bjsnider> don't ponder. open it up and look
[17:00] <billybigrigger> no i needed to ponder
[17:00] <billybigrigger> root disk is ide
[17:00] <billybigrigger> the other 2 storage drives are sata
[17:01] <bjsnider> you've got a board with 1 ata and multiple satas
[17:01] <bjsnider> or 2 atas
[17:01] <billybigrigger> 2 atas, root disk, and dvdrw are ata
[17:01] <billybigrigger> and 4 sata ports
[17:02] <bjsnider> well, ide drives should not be called sd-anything
[17:02] <bjsnider> sd is sata, orscsi
[17:02] <billybigrigger> yeah
[17:02] <bjsnider> waht does /etc/fstab say?
[17:02] <billybigrigger> ide drives have been showing up as sd for me for a long time, since intrepid iirc
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/m77a5503d
[17:05] <bjsnider> if sata drives get priority then i can see how your first ide drive would be sdc
[17:05] <bjsnider> because you have two satas
[17:05] <bjsnider> which would be a and b
[17:06] <bjsnider> and in fact that is exactly what your fstab file says
[17:07] <yofel> makes sense, but that doesn't explain why an ide drive would show up as sdX, some bios setting?
[17:07] <om26er> !mac
[17:08] <bjsnider> i don't know. maybe the kernel changed in that regard
[17:08] <om26er> how can i find my wireless mac address
[17:08] <om26er> i am not connected to any network
[17:08] <bjsnider> iwconfig
[17:08] <bjsnider> i think that show you what it is
[17:08] <om26er> bjsnider, iwconfig
[17:08] <om26er> dont work
[17:08] <bjsnider> what do you mean?
[17:09] <billybigrigger> bjsnider: yofel thanks for the help guys
[17:09] <billybigrigger> i have a semi-working x, all i needed for now, will fix later i guess :P
[17:09] <om26er> does not show the mac address of wifi
[17:10] <yofel> om26er: doesn't ifconfig show it even if you're disconnected?
[17:10] <om26er> dont seem to
[17:10] <bjsnider> it would be the "HWAddr"
[18:31] <yoasif_> anyone here using xchat?
[18:32] <yofel> yoasif_: sometimes, what's the question?
[18:33] <yoasif_> yofel, i added a new server to my autojoins, but there aren't any channel set up for the autojoins (the server is slashnet)... when i start up xchat now, the "join channel" dialog comes up, i enter #webdesign, and it crashes
[18:35] <bjsnider> try it from the console to check output
[18:35] <bjsnider> there are two different xchat options in the repos though
[18:35] <bjsnider> maybe you've got the wrong one
[18:35] <yoasif_> bjsnider, i can do that, there are no debug packages fyi
[18:35] <yoasif_> hmm
[18:36] <bjsnider> are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[18:36] <yoasif_> xchat-gnome
[18:37] <yoasif_> Installed: 1:0.26.1-1ubuntu1
[18:37] <bjsnider> i'm using the xchat package, and it doesn't crash, at east here on karmic
[18:37] <bjsnider> i had trouble with the other one
[18:37] <yoasif_> yeah, but xchat-gnome is in main
[18:38] <bjsnider> what is your point?
[18:38] <yoasif_> main apps should supposedly have more support
[18:38] <yoasif_> that's all
[18:39] <yoasif_> alright, i'll try it in console, brb
[18:40] <yofel> wasn't that something about the license, not support?
[18:41] <bjsnider> please don't bore me with talk of licenses
[18:41] <mac_v> lol
[18:41] <yofel> hehe
[18:42] <yoasif_> bjsnider, yofel this is my console output
[18:42] <yoasif_> http://pastebin.com/m33345204
[18:43] <yofel> segfault yay...
[18:43] <yoasif_> yeah and no debug packages
[18:44] <bjsnider> it only says segmentation fault, nothing else helpful
[18:44] <bjsnider> try the other xchat
[18:44] <yoasif_> i'm not looking for a workaround, i want to submit a good bug report heh
[18:45] <yofel> yoasif_: run xchat-gnome in gdb and get a backtrace?
[18:45] <bjsnider> is anyone still developing it?
[18:45] <yoasif_> xchat-gnome is dead upstream?
[18:46] <mac_v> bjsnider: xchat-gnome is not dead ,it is active more atleast in Ubuntu :)
[18:46] <bjsnider> i don't know
[18:46]  * mac_v uses xchat... waiting or userlist to be implemented to switch to *-gnome
[18:46] <bjsnider> why is it always so unstable then?
[18:46] <mac_v> for*
[18:47] <yofel> is it really  active? the package wasn't modified since jaunty...
[18:47] <mac_v> bjsnider: not sure , i used it a couple of weeks ago , seemed fine then...
[18:47] <mac_v> yofel: kenvandine is doing work on the xchat-gnome... , let me find the package
[18:48] <mac_v> yofel: if you want to check dev frequency... even xchat hasnt had updates since jan/feb :)
[18:49] <bjsnider> xchat works fine here
[18:49] <mac_v>  > https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/xchat-gnome
[18:49] <mac_v> bjsnider: yeah , for me too :)
[18:51] <mac_v> yoasif_: try the ppa ^ bug might have been solved
[18:51] <yoasif_> mac_v, getting the backtrace first
[20:43] <bjsnider> ghostcube, ping
[20:43] <SantaBUG> hey yoasif bjsnider
[20:43] <SantaBUG> Merry xtmas guys http://p.bugabundo.net/merry-xtmas-and-an-happy-new-year-2010
[20:43] <SantaBUG> I LUV YOU ALL
[21:21] <Tallken> omg
[21:32] <i_is_broke> well all have a safe and merry christmas.:D
[21:39] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:56] <Izinucs> If I load up kubuntu alpha on a system that also has windows and ubuntu.. 1> will it replace grub1 with grub2 2> how will that effect my booting the older ubuntu install
[21:58] <darthanubis> no
[22:08] <Izinucs> guess that answers question 1 and 2 concurrently :)
[23:24] <Bookman> In 9.10 there used to be System>Administration>Services, what does 10.04 now that this has been removed?
[23:26] <Bookman> Actually I'm not sure 9.10 had it either.  Last time I checked was in 9.04
[23:35] <yofel> as far as I know this is still being worked on because managing system services has changed now that ubuntu uses upstart
[23:35] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:35] <yofel> more like a upstart/sysvinit mix right now :/
[23:36] <Bookman> Did 9.10 have it?
[23:36] <yofel> don't know any more TBH
[23:36] <Bookman> So there is no GUI method of starting/stopping services?  And to see which are running?
[23:37] <bjsnider> karmic did not have the services cp
[23:37] <bjsnider> there is no gui method of stopping and starting services
[23:39] <Bookman> Well that is a pita
[23:40] <bjsnider> i think lucid is going to be 100% upstart
[23:41] <Bookman> I have no idea what upstart is
[23:41] <yofel> !upstart
[23:42] <Bookman> Thanks!  I will get reading
[23:45] <Bookman> So if I SSH into a machine not running an ssh server, will it automatically start it? (start on event)
[23:46] <yofel> Bookman: no, to start an ssh connection you'll need a listening ssh server on the other pc
[23:47] <bjsnider> which means you would need to configure the service to start
[23:49] <BUGabundo> Bookman: look at xinetd
[23:49] <yofel> Bookman: 'event' is used here as in another service or init itself emits an event and another service can be configured to start when that happens
[23:49] <Bookman> Got it.
[23:50] <Bookman> I'm trying to install openssh via synaptic and it will not allow me.  I think there are dependencies issues.
[23:52] <yofel> really? lemme check for updates, I do have the server installed here
[23:53] <BUGabundo> works fine her
[23:53] <Bookman> hmmm....
[23:53] <yofel> nope, nothing related to openssh
[23:55] <yofel> Bookman: can you be a bit more verbose about 'doesn't allow me to'?
[23:56] <Bookman> I am checking my repositories list now.
[23:56] <Bookman> That was it.  Some were not turned on, sorry about htat.
[23:56] <Bookman> *that