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BUGabundoany one knows what this means00:31
BUGabundoERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]00:31
bjsniderBUGabundo, notice anything strange about chromium-browser today?00:38
crimsunBUGabundo: need more info than that00:38
crimsunBUGabundo: also, we've fixed the codec setup issue, so if you have time, we can try the powerdown fixes for your HDA controller00:38
BUGabundocrimsun: not tonight00:40
BUGabundoI just got into bed00:40
BUGabundojust seeing what's up , and sleep in a bit00:40
BUGabundoping me tomorrow00:40
BUGabundoif you are sitting in front of a pc00:40
BUGabundobjsnider: like?00:40
bjsniderbrowser window assuming the full length of the webpage instead of creating a scrollbar00:41
BUGabundobjsnider: well I only opened gmail and vodafone.pt00:43
BUGabundodidn't notice anyrhing weird in neither00:43
BUGabundoany site you want me to test all my browsers?00:43
BUGabundoabout my prob, I'm getting that while using n2n00:44
BUGabundoit was working fine all week00:44
BUGabundoup until now00:44
BUGabundonothing in my logs00:44
BUGabundoonly on cli, when started00:44
BUGabundoit simply dies00:45
bjsnidercrimsun, can you run jack and pulse at the same time?00:45
crimsunyou can do anything you want00:45
crimsunwe only have jack1 in Ubuntu, however, which does not have the dbus handoff work00:46
bjsniderwhich would be using which?00:46
crimsun-EPARSE00:46
crimsunjack1 and pulse will race on hw:, if that's what you're asking00:47
bjsniderwhat does that mean "race on hw"?00:47
crimsunif jackd grabs hw:, then it will have exclusive access to the sound devices, and pulseaudio will lose the race thus giving you a dummy/null sink/source00:47
crimsunif pulseaudio grabs hw:, then it will have exclusive access to the sound devices, and jackd will lose the race and complain bitterly00:48
bjsniderso pulse could not act as a middle-man for jack and vice versa00:48
crimsunneither can00:48
crimsunif anything, dbus is the proposed "middle man"00:48
bjsniderwell, there's a ppa whre pulseaudio is patched to, i dunno use jack or whatever.00:48
crimsunthe issue upstream is that jack has no way of saying "I'm done"00:49
BUGabundocrimsun: sound is cliping00:49
BUGabundoand flanging00:49
crimsunBUGabundo: that's great, go to sleep and ping me in the morning.00:49
BUGabundololol00:49
BUGabundolet me check paman00:50
BUGabundoto see if it is not above 100%00:50
crimsunbjsnider: "patched to"? Meaning pulse is built with jack support?00:50
BUGabundo88% actually00:50
crimsunbjsnider: that doesn't resolve the unerlying race that I described00:51
bjsnidercrimsun, it would seems so. but what does jack support eve mean?00:51
crimsunbjsnider: it means pulse can use jack as a sink and as a source00:52
bjsniderhttps://launchpad.net/~motin/+archive/until-jack-is-included-in-main00:52
crimsunyes, I've corresponded with him00:53
crimsunhis first attempts at versioning were abysmal00:53
bjsnidersomebody's bugging me to add jack support the libxine00:53
bjsnidercan't do it00:53
crimsunhuh?00:54
crimsunjust look at the original Debian source package00:54
bjsniderit's awfully, awfully difficult00:55
crimsunwhat are you talking about?00:55
bjsniderjack is going to be in main i think00:55
bjsnidernothing. just joking around00:55
crimsunjack *will* be in main as soon people get off their arses and finish the documentation (MIR)00:56
bjsniderwhat is portaudio?00:58
crimsunanother API00:59
bjsniderwhy can't we just have ONE audio system that's flexible enough that it does everything?00:59
crimsunchrist, that's what we're trying to do01:00
BUGabundoDec 24 00:35:48 BluBUG pulseaudio[1481]: ratelimit.c: 105 events suppressed01:00
BUGabundosigh01:00
crimsunBUGabundo: that doesn't mean a thing01:00
BUGabundomeans a 20MBs log :)01:01
crimsunpeople look at ratelimit and go "oh no"01:01
BUGabundoits writing ervery 10 sec01:01
crimsunBUGabundo: seriously, it very probably means your sound hw is broken, and we're unable to work around it in the driver01:01
BUGabundoeheh01:01
BUGabundowe know its broken01:01
BUGabundoyou proved it yesterday01:01
bjsniderso's his graphics card01:01
crimsunno, yesterday was a bug01:02
crimsuntakashi and I fixed it early this morning01:02
SoftwareExplorercrisum:I'm getting ready to report a Lucid bug. Every time an application starts to play a sound or stops playing a sound there is a pop/click. Does you know if I should report this as a bug for the pulseaudio package or the linux package?01:02
crimsunSoftwareExplorer: don't bother, I already know about powerdown issues.01:02
BUGabundobjsnider: not sure gpu is broken... from what I've been reading, I think savat was wrong. this card is proposely cripped by manufatured01:03
crimsunSoftwareExplorer: technically it's a linux issue, but the symptom is *caused* by an addition to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, which is owned by the alsa-driver source package.01:03
bjsniderwhat?01:03
bjsniderthe manufacturer cannopt cripple the purevideo hardware01:03
bjsniderthey could cripple the windows driver01:03
bjsniderbut the hardware would not be crippled01:04
crimsunoh but the OEM can do anything01:04
crimsunthere's this thing called a "bios"01:04
bjsnidercrimsun, not without opening the case and hacking it with a screwdriver01:04
crimsun(and don't tell me efi is any better)01:04
SoftwareExplorercrimsun: Ok, thanks.01:04
crimsunbjsnider: it doesn't have to have anything to do with physically crippling it01:04
BUGabundobjsnider: not like that01:05
bjsniderthey can cripple the windblows driver and that's all. the purevideo hardware cannot be disabled in the bios01:05
BUGabundobasicly this model is a entrance model01:05
BUGabundoso they used less pipes01:05
BUGabundo16 instead of regular 3201:05
bjsniderpipes?01:05
BUGabundoso it "can't" do vdpay01:05
bjsniderdid you ask nvidia about this?01:05
crimsunbjsnider: dude, you can do a *lot* in bios. you can intercept all sorts of junk.01:05
BUGabundobjsnider: its words from nvidia dev on their forum01:06
BUGabundoabout the g85 vs g90 GPU core01:06
bjsnideri'd like to see that post01:06
BUGabundoeasy01:06
bjsnidertake that craptop back and get a better one01:06
bjsnideryou got robbed01:06
BUGabundogoogle nvidia forum 8400 vdpau01:06
BUGabundoits on board01:06
crimsunSoftwareExplorer: which codec do you have? head -6 /proc/asound/card*/codec*01:07
bjsniderif that happened then the windows purevideo driver would also not work01:07
BUGabundobjsnider: no idea01:08
BUGabundomaybe it doesn't01:08
BUGabundoI never put win in this laptop01:08
bjsniderBUGabundo, who manufactured that thing? which oem?01:09
BUGabundoasustek01:09
BUGabundomodel S27S01:09
BUGabundo*S37S01:09
SoftwareExplorercrimsun: "Conexant CX20549 (Venice)" ,  when I ran the command it did pop/click01:09
bjsniderasus?01:09
i_is_brokewhat the heck is byobu?01:10
BUGabundobjsnider: not quite... it's the factory that used to assemble Asus laptop01:10
BUGabundonow asus has a new factory01:10
crimsunSoftwareExplorer: ok, thanks. I should have fixes for that in a few days01:10
BUGabundo!google byobu01:10
SoftwareExplorercrimsun: Thanks for working on Ubuntu :)01:11
bjsniderSoftwareExplorer, that's very different from the messages he usually sees in here01:12
jherraezhey there, im trying the lucid alpha 1 on a virtual machine, and it demands login/pw , which i  have no idea what it could be...01:52
Tscheesyhm.. on the ARM from schratch it was ubuntu:ubuntu01:55
jherraezits not that, guess i should have download the alpha instead of the daily build01:57
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Tscheesycan't help sry01:59
arandjherraez: is this the livecd asking?02:21
jherraezbooted from the daily build , selected try without changes, eventually gdm appeared asking for a login, throw typical "ubuntu" and "guest" at it, no luck02:23
arandjherraez: default login is ubuntu with no password, I think02:25
jherraeznope, when i type ubuntu it will play the usual failure song, won't even ask for a pw02:26
jherraezthx anyway, im goin to sleep now, ill just wait for alpha 2 to try again02:28
arandThat to me indicates some form of mess-up.. (redownload?/wait for next daily build?) dunno though.02:28
SoftwareExplorerI'm trying to get a backtrace for an xserver bug. The machine I'm using has a nvidia card, and I haven't installed the proprietary driver. What debug symbol packages should I install? I have already added the ddebs repository(s)05:02
bjsniderSoftwareExplorer, what driver are you using then?05:02
RAOFSoftwareExplorer: libc6, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-(nv,vesa - depending on your driver), various xserver-xorg-input-* packages...05:03
SoftwareExplorerI don't know a lot about how the xserver works, how would I find out what driver?05:03
RAOFgrep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log05:03
bjsnideryou're probably using the awesome nv driver then05:03
SoftwareExplorerit lists fb, nv and vesa05:04
SoftwareExplorerRAOF: so when you say, for example, libc6 I should add "-dbgsym" to the end of it?05:05
RAOFYup.05:06
RAOFYou'd add -dbgsym to all those package names.05:06
SoftwareExplorerRAOF: Ok, got. Thanks. I'll see what I can get05:06
SoftwareExplorerRAOF: Sorry, I meant "Ok, got it."  (oops)05:07
RAOFX's backtrace itself can help in working out what dbgsym packages you need - ie: if nv_drv.so appears in the backtrace, you'll need the dbgsym package for the package containing nv_drv.so, which you can find using "dpkg -S nv_drv.so".05:07
SoftwareExplorerRAOF: Wow, thanks, that will help a lot. I was kind of wondering if I could find out what package a file belonged to.05:08
RAOFdpkg -S is awesomely useful, yes.  If you're looking for "what package contains this file that I don't have", then apt-file is what you're after.05:09
SoftwareExplorerGDB says "Reading symbols from /usr/bin/Xorg...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg...(no debugging symbols found)...done." is that bad? dpkg -S Xorg has the line "xserver-xorg-core-dbgsym: /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/Xorg" which I have installed. So wouldn't I have the package that has what I need already installed?05:17
RAOFThat's OK; it's read debugging symbols for Xorg, and it can't find debugging symbols for the debugging symbols of Xorg.05:19
SoftwareExplorer RAOF: Thanks :)05:22
billybigriggeranyone alive?05:39
billybigriggeri did an update-manager -d upgrade to lucid today and upon reboot, i'm stuck at a grub rescue screen with grub rescue>05:39
billybigriggersomething about the symbol `grub_gettext` not found05:39
billybigriggerany clues?05:39
billybigriggerthere is one forum post i've dug up and it's a pretty new thread, only 3 posts, and the solution doesn't work for me05:40
billybigriggerwhat is the latest vmlinuz image? maybe i can manually boot it, but have no way of telling what kernel i have05:40
i_is_broke2.6.31-17 is what i got.05:44
billybigriggerwhats the standard 64bit kernel?05:45
billybigrigger-68605:45
billybigriggervmlinuz-2.6.31-17-686 file not found05:45
billybigrigger:(05:45
i_is_brokewait wrong grub..sorry hold on a sec.05:47
i_is_broke2.6.32-905:47
billybigriggeri_is_broke: you there?05:50
i_is_brokeyeah05:50
billybigriggerthought i lost my connection05:51
i_is_brokena your still here..lol05:51
billybigriggerhmm05:53
billybigrigger2.6.32-9 doesn't exist either05:53
billybigriggersigh05:53
billybigriggerthis sucks05:54
i_is_brokewhen did you last update?05:59
i_is_brokei have -5 threw -906:00
i_is_brokemight try with generic-pae on it.06:01
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i_is_brokehmmm?06:01
billybigriggeroh my, sorry, was trying to type over the laptop on my other machine06:01
i_is_brokelol np.06:02
billybigriggerahh ls /boot works from rescue promt :P06:02
billybigriggerits 32-9-generic06:02
billybigriggernot 686 like i was trying06:02
i_is_brokefigured it was something simple...just didnt know which one it was.06:03
billybigriggerok now i'm at a busy box shell06:07
billybigriggertelling me to try root = /dev/sda106:07
i_is_brokewell thats a step closer..lol06:07
billybigriggernot hda106:07
billybigriggernever used a busy box shell06:08
billybigriggeri don't see any commands to set root boot device though06:08
billybigriggerls06:08
crimsunset root foo, e.g., set root (hd0,1)06:09
crimsunwe deprecated -686 many releases ago06:09
billybigriggercrimsun: just going of the only solution i've found for my problem06:11
billybigriggerkernel in question was 2.6.31-1-686 so....yeah06:11
crimsun...from Debian?06:12
billybigriggerhttp://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136101306:13
billybigriggernow i'm getting target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init06:13
crimsun-1- is very old06:13
billybigriggerno init found try passing init= bootarg06:13
billybigriggeri'm using 2.6.32-9-generic06:13
crimsunyou really should use an alternate installer in rescue mode06:14
billybigriggeri don't have an install disk, this was from a karmic upgrade06:14
crimsunyou don't have a live image, either?06:15
crimsun(you're seriously running a development version with no alternate installer or desktop installer?)06:15
billybigriggeryup06:16
billybigriggerjaunty+1 was beautiful for me, not any problems like this ever06:17
crimsunjust saying that it's foolhardy not to have a rescue mode available06:17
crimsunit sounds like you haven't gotten a real / yet06:18
billybigriggeri can ls in busy box and it show's my /06:19
crimsundo you have /sbin/init ?06:21
billybigriggerno06:21
crimsundo you have /sbin on a separate partition?06:21
billybigriggerno06:21
crimsunthen it isn't your real /06:21
billybigriggerhave a good suggestion for a live usb?06:22
billybigriggerslax usb download link is broken06:22
crimsunanything that boots and ships /usr/sbin/chroot is a good candidate06:23
crimsunwere you current with updates?06:23
billybigriggeryeah just updated karmic, then did a update-manager -d upgrade to lucid06:25
crimsunmountall 2.2 or 2.3?06:26
billybigriggeryour speaking chinese06:26
billybigriggercrimsun: what is mountall? 2.2 or 2.3?06:31
i_is_brokei just updated that..06:31
i_is_brokewe just went in to 2.3.06:32
i_is_brokei have thought about and think i will from now on out im going to save a list of all the updates that i get, on my production box so i can go back and see incase of things like this.06:33
crimsunapt and dpkg both have logs in /var/log/06:34
i_is_brokecrimsun yeah but if you cant get into them...they wont do you any good, thats why i said i was going to put them on my production box so i can have them for fubar moments.06:43
billybigriggerhmm this sucks06:44
billybigriggerso much for passing out to heroes tonight :P06:44
crimsuni_is_broke: there should not be a reason you can't get to them provided you always keep a method for chrooting into the install06:46
crimsuni.e., an alternate installer disc/image06:46
i_is_brokeah thats true, i guess i should make one as well...the only thing i got right now is karmics install disk..06:47
crimsunyou could also configure rsyslog to log remotely, too06:47
i_is_brokecant i just copy them threw ssh?06:50
i_is_brokecrimsun you got to remember im still learning this stuff...06:51
crimsuni_is_broke: sure, there are many roads to Rome06:52
i_is_brokecrimsun that is what i like about linux theres more then one way to do something or run something unlike windows where you have to do everything there way or it borks everything.06:53
i_is_brokethat and the fact that everytime a new windows version is release you almost have to buy a new computer to get it to run.06:55
i_is_brokelinux im pressed me when i had my old 2x2x6 burner and windows wouldnt run it any more, but i installed linux and it worked like a charm..slow as hell but still worked.06:56
i_is_brokewhat the hey ....cant the find something else to spam..that one is getting old.07:10
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knittlbjsnider: merry christmas! are you there? :)09:45
nanomadis anyone having issues with grub? update-grub locks up here09:48
nanomadnvm, it worked. It just took a LOT of time, lol09:50
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CosmiChaosHey, got strange screen-output for Usplash and TTYs, guess its related to xorg-nv, because nvidia-glx is installed and correctly working for desktop mode11:47
CosmiChaosany idea?11:47
soeehi11:50
CosmiChaoshey its not very useful to have no CONSOLE available because graphic-output is crippled11:51
CosmiChaoshello anyone of 146?11:51
CosmiChaosgimp-plugin-registry depends on libcv1, libcvaux1 and libhighgui1 but new sivp 0.5.0-1ubuntu3 upgraded packages to libcv4, libcvaux4 and libhighgui411:59
CosmiChaoshey according to synaptic search mode the new section list with one section per source is really nice, great work12:17
CosmiChaosnow when we install a specific package12:18
CosmiChaoscan you add a text in the properties, from which source it comes from, that would be really helpful12:18
CosmiChaosxD it already is12:19
maxbHi, is anyone else experiencing graphics glitching and occasional blank screens requiring a reboot, using Intel graphics hardware in Lucid?12:33
CosmiChaosmaxb,  no but lots a graphic glitches in TTY or during boot and shutdown with Nvidia, nobody here cares12:41
yofelmaxb: me after resuming from suspend13:05
maxbyofel: bug 492392 is where I've been making notes13:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 492392 in linux "[lucid, intel] After suspend, flickering screen and then blank screen." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49239213:07
maxbWhat's your hardware?13:07
maxbMine is an Aspire One13:07
yofel945GME13:07
yofel(eeePC 1000H)13:07
yofelyep, that sounds like the bug13:08
maxbhmm... well at least it affects enough common hardware that it ought to get some attention :-)13:09
maxbhmm... seems I've developed a gdm-fails-to-start race condition too13:10
yofelyeah, that GPU was pretty much the default for netbooks for a while13:11
maxbWell... that was novel. Having persuaded GDM to start at all, I had to log in three times before it managed it without crashing13:13
BluesKajHey all14:35
om26eri unplugged the charger but still the battery status show full14:59
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billybigriggeranyone alive?16:30
billybigriggeranyone had problems with grub booting to rescue mode after an upgrade to lucid?16:31
billybigriggeri'm stuck at the rescue prompt giving me about symbol grub_gettext not found16:31
billybigriggercrimsun: ping16:35
yofelI don't have that but I'm certain a few people reported the same16:35
yofel*error16:35
billybigriggeroh yeah?16:35
billybigriggeri found 1 post on the forums, and the solution doesn't work for me16:35
billybigriggeryofel: i can get to a busybox shell...but with the error target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init16:39
billybigriggeri think it was crimsun told me i haven't picked the right /16:39
billybigriggertried booting (hd0,1) and root = /dev/sda116:39
yofelthat would explain a few things16:39
billybigriggerhttp://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136101316:40
billybigriggerlast post16:40
billybigriggeri get to a busybox shell with that, changing my device names and kernel of course16:40
billybigriggerbut i'm not sure if booting a supergrub disk will tell me how grub see's my disks16:40
yofelhm... do you have /boot seperate or on / ?16:42
billybigriggeryofel: haha this sounds amatuer but i don't know16:43
billybigriggerbooting SGD now to peak around16:43
billybigriggerahh poop i'm going to need to chroot16:43
yofelwell, I'm still trying to figure out what information grub2 needs to boot the os...16:44
billybigriggerhmm16:45
billybigriggerfound out my / is on sdc116:45
billybigriggerand no separate /boot16:45
billybigriggerand assuming i still remember grub2's naming convention, that should be 2,0 no?16:46
yofelhm that would be 'set root=(hd2,1)' then16:46
billybigriggeri know between grub and grub2 they named hdd's different16:46
yofelno, 2,0 was grub-legacy16:46
billybigriggerahh16:46
billybigriggerok16:46
yofelVERY annoying16:46
billybigriggerhmm16:47
billybigriggerwill give that a go16:47
yofelat least if I understand this correct now...16:47
billybigriggerunderstand what16:48
yofelthe numbering16:48
billybigriggerhmmm16:48
yofelyep, sdc1 is 2,1, checked the doc16:49
billybigriggerlinux16 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-9-generic root=/dev/sdc1 ro16:49
billybigriggerfile not found16:49
billybigriggerwhere as before, using (hd0,1) and /dev/sda1 it found it16:49
billybigriggerand booted16:49
yofelo.O16:49
billybigriggeri have 2 other hard drives, sda and sdb, but root is on sdc16:49
billybigriggermaybe grub isn't seeing those disks and is naming sdc as sda16:50
billybigriggerbecause i can boot my 2.6.32-9-generic kernel using set root hd0,1 and /dev/sda116:50
yofelmaybe the device.map isn't right?16:50
yofelhm, and root hd2,1 and /dev/sdc1 ?16:51
billybigriggerahhh16:51
yofelerr...16:51
billybigriggergrub rescue prompt has an ls16:51
yofelhd0,1  and /dev/sdc116:51
billybigriggerafter setting rood to hd2,1 and running ls16:51
billybigriggeri can see i'm not on my / disk16:51
yofelhehe, good to know...16:52
billybigriggerhmm16:52
billybigriggerit has to be hd016:53
billybigriggeras i can see hd0 hd0,1 hd0,6 hd0,516:53
billybigriggerwhich would be my / /home and swap i assume16:53
billybigriggerit has to be 0,116:53
yofelcan you check your device.map somehow?16:55
billybigriggerhmm16:56
billybigriggergot to x in low graphics mode16:56
bjsniderhd0 would not be sdc16:56
billybigriggerit was root (hd0,1) and /dev/sdc116:56
bjsniderit would be sda16:56
billybigriggerya i dunno16:56
billybigriggeri'm in x now16:56
yofelthat would mean your device.map is wrong16:56
billybigriggeri tried hd0,1 and sda1 and busybox complained it couldn't find /sbin/init16:56
bjsniderwhat if you try hd2,1?16:57
billybigriggerhd2,1 is my music drive16:57
bjsnideris your root hard drive not plugged into the first sata port?16:57
billybigriggerls at the grub rescue prompt showed hd0 hd0,1 hd0,5 hd 06, hd1 hd1,1 hd2 hd2,116:58
billybigriggerbjsnider: no, root is on sdc116:58
billybigriggerin my device.map16:58
billybigriggerhd0 /dev/sda16:58
billybigriggerhd1 sdb16:58
billybigriggerhd2 sdc16:58
bjsnideryes but i mean physically, is it plugged into sata1?16:58
billybigriggeryeah16:58
billybigriggeroooh wait a minute, i was screwing around with my sata ports when i was modding my xbox36016:59
* billybigrigger ponders....16:59
billybigrigger:)116:59
bjsniderdon't ponder. open it up and look16:59
billybigriggerno i needed to ponder17:00
billybigriggerroot disk is ide17:00
billybigriggerthe other 2 storage drives are sata17:00
bjsnideryou've got a board with 1 ata and multiple satas17:01
bjsnideror 2 atas17:01
billybigrigger2 atas, root disk, and dvdrw are ata17:01
billybigriggerand 4 sata ports17:01
bjsniderwell, ide drives should not be called sd-anything17:02
bjsnidersd is sata, orscsi17:02
billybigriggeryeah17:02
bjsniderwaht does /etc/fstab say?17:02
billybigriggeride drives have been showing up as sd for me for a long time, since intrepid iirc17:02
billybigrigger_http://pastebin.com/m77a5503d17:04
bjsniderif sata drives get priority then i can see how your first ide drive would be sdc17:05
bjsniderbecause you have two satas17:05
bjsniderwhich would be a and b17:05
bjsniderand in fact that is exactly what your fstab file says17:06
yofelmakes sense, but that doesn't explain why an ide drive would show up as sdX, some bios setting?17:07
om26er!mac17:07
ubottuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE17:07
bjsnideri don't know. maybe the kernel changed in that regard17:08
om26erhow can i find my wireless mac address17:08
om26eri am not connected to any network17:08
bjsnideriwconfig17:08
bjsnideri think that show you what it is17:08
om26erbjsnider, iwconfig17:08
om26erdont work17:08
bjsniderwhat do you mean?17:08
billybigriggerbjsnider: yofel thanks for the help guys17:09
billybigriggeri have a semi-working x, all i needed for now, will fix later i guess :P17:09
om26erdoes not show the mac address of wifi17:09
yofelom26er: doesn't ifconfig show it even if you're disconnected?17:10
om26erdont seem to17:10
bjsniderit would be the "HWAddr"17:10
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yoasif_anyone here using xchat?18:31
yofelyoasif_: sometimes, what's the question?18:32
yoasif_yofel, i added a new server to my autojoins, but there aren't any channel set up for the autojoins (the server is slashnet)... when i start up xchat now, the "join channel" dialog comes up, i enter #webdesign, and it crashes18:33
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bjsnidertry it from the console to check output18:35
bjsniderthere are two different xchat options in the repos though18:35
bjsnidermaybe you've got the wrong one18:35
yoasif_bjsnider, i can do that, there are no debug packages fyi18:35
yoasif_hmm18:35
bjsniderare you using xchat or xchat-gnome?18:36
yoasif_xchat-gnome18:36
yoasif_Installed: 1:0.26.1-1ubuntu118:37
bjsnideri'm using the xchat package, and it doesn't crash, at east here on karmic18:37
bjsnideri had trouble with the other one18:37
yoasif_yeah, but xchat-gnome is in main18:37
bjsniderwhat is your point?18:38
yoasif_main apps should supposedly have more support18:38
yoasif_that's all18:38
yoasif_alright, i'll try it in console, brb18:39
yofelwasn't that something about the license, not support?18:40
bjsniderplease don't bore me with talk of licenses18:41
mac_vlol18:41
yofelhehe18:41
yoasif_bjsnider, yofel this is my console output18:42
yoasif_http://pastebin.com/m3334520418:42
yofelsegfault yay...18:43
yoasif_yeah and no debug packages18:43
bjsniderit only says segmentation fault, nothing else helpful18:44
bjsnidertry the other xchat18:44
yoasif_i'm not looking for a workaround, i want to submit a good bug report heh18:44
yofelyoasif_: run xchat-gnome in gdb and get a backtrace?18:45
bjsnideris anyone still developing it?18:45
yoasif_xchat-gnome is dead upstream?18:45
mac_vbjsnider: xchat-gnome is not dead ,it is active more atleast in Ubuntu :)18:46
bjsnideri don't know18:46
* mac_v uses xchat... waiting or userlist to be implemented to switch to *-gnome18:46
bjsniderwhy is it always so unstable then?18:46
mac_vfor*18:46
yofelis it really  active? the package wasn't modified since jaunty...18:47
mac_vbjsnider: not sure , i used it a couple of weeks ago , seemed fine then...18:47
mac_vyofel: kenvandine is doing work on the xchat-gnome... , let me find the package18:47
mac_vyofel: if you want to check dev frequency... even xchat hasnt had updates since jan/feb :)18:48
bjsniderxchat works fine here18:49
mac_v > https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/xchat-gnome18:49
mac_vbjsnider: yeah , for me too :)18:49
mac_vyoasif_: try the ppa ^ bug might have been solved18:51
yoasif_mac_v, getting the backtrace first18:51
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bjsniderghostcube, ping20:43
SantaBUGhey yoasif bjsnider20:43
SantaBUGMerry xtmas guys http://p.bugabundo.net/merry-xtmas-and-an-happy-new-year-201020:43
SantaBUGI LUV YOU ALL20:43
Tallkenomg21:21
i_is_brokewell all have a safe and merry christmas.:D21:32
sebsebsebhi21:39
IzinucsIf I load up kubuntu alpha on a system that also has windows and ubuntu.. 1> will it replace grub1 with grub2 2> how will that effect my booting the older ubuntu install21:56
darthanubisno21:58
Izinucsguess that answers question 1 and 2 concurrently :)22:08
BookmanIn 9.10 there used to be System>Administration>Services, what does 10.04 now that this has been removed?23:24
BookmanActually I'm not sure 9.10 had it either.  Last time I checked was in 9.0423:26
yofelas far as I know this is still being worked on because managing system services has changed now that ubuntu uses upstart23:35
BUGabundoeheh23:35
yofelmore like a upstart/sysvinit mix right now :/23:35
BookmanDid 9.10 have it?23:36
yofeldon't know any more TBH23:36
BookmanSo there is no GUI method of starting/stopping services?  And to see which are running?23:36
bjsniderkarmic did not have the services cp23:37
bjsniderthere is no gui method of stopping and starting services23:37
BookmanWell that is a pita23:39
bjsnideri think lucid is going to be 100% upstart23:40
BookmanI have no idea what upstart is23:41
yofel!upstart23:41
ubottuUpstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/23:41
BookmanThanks!  I will get reading23:42
BookmanSo if I SSH into a machine not running an ssh server, will it automatically start it? (start on event)23:45
yofelBookman: no, to start an ssh connection you'll need a listening ssh server on the other pc23:46
bjsniderwhich means you would need to configure the service to start23:47
BUGabundoBookman: look at xinetd23:49
yofelBookman: 'event' is used here as in another service or init itself emits an event and another service can be configured to start when that happens23:49
BookmanGot it.23:49
BookmanI'm trying to install openssh via synaptic and it will not allow me.  I think there are dependencies issues.23:50
yofelreally? lemme check for updates, I do have the server installed here23:52
BUGabundoworks fine her23:53
Bookmanhmmm....23:53
yofelnope, nothing related to openssh23:53
yofelBookman: can you be a bit more verbose about 'doesn't allow me to'?23:55
BookmanI am checking my repositories list now.23:56
BookmanThat was it.  Some were not turned on, sorry about htat.23:56
Bookman*that23:56

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