[00:08] <crimsun> apw: any interest in extending buildscripts/build-mkschroot to work for Debian suites, too? I could push my tree.
[00:57] <apw> crimsun, why not indeed
[19:01] <matti> Quick question folks: is there a way of installing latest kernel from Lucid on 8.10?
[19:01] <matti> I've tried the PPA for kernel, but its empty ;]
[19:01] <dhillon-v10> matti, I think that could break stuff, you may want to try that in a virtual machine
[19:02] <matti> Isn't the kernel quasi-agnostic?
[19:02] <crimsun> matti: of course, just manually install the debs
[19:02] <matti> I believe it should be fine, but I will use your advise ;]
[19:02] <crimsun> insert big fat disclaimer/caveat
[19:03] <matti> crimsun: I am not gonna complain in a case of issues.
[19:03] <matti> ;]
[19:03] <dhillon-v10> crimsun, a quick question: won't the latest kernel break stuff in intrepid, i am just asking to get some information on this topic
[19:04] <matti> I always can build it myself using make-kpkg.
[19:04] <matti> dhillon-v10: Em. Actually.
[19:04] <matti> dhillon-v10: Interpid is still udev-bounded.
[19:04] <matti> dhillon-v10: Therefore it might actually be unhappy.
[19:04] <matti> ;]
[19:05] <matti> I wonder if backport is possible.
[19:06] <dhillon-v10> matti, there are some great videos on youtube about making a custom kernel on debian based systems (ubuntu) let me get you the link for that, I have tried myself it works :D
[19:07] <matti> I have no problem compiling it from the vanilla.
[19:07] <matti> But I like the way how it is patched in Ubuntu.
[19:07] <matti> I've noticed, that an upstream bug has been resolved in almost-latest version available in Lucid.
[19:07] <matti> Hence, I wanted to upgrade ;]
[19:08] <dhillon-v10> matti, ahh here you go, try it out and see what you get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH4H9cHPV2s&feature=channel that's part 1, part 2 will be in the related videos
[19:09] <matti> I have to finally put myself up and do some bug squashing and help in general with the Ubuntu development.
[19:09] <matti> dhillon-v10: Thanks!
[19:09] <matti> dhillon-v10: Interestingly, I am finding process of building .deb package a nightmare ;]
[19:10] <dhillon-v10> matti, sure :D I actually got started with ubuntu development in this channel
[19:10] <dhillon-v10> matti, packaging isn't too hard, over time you get the hang of it
[19:10] <matti> dhillon-v10: Granted.
[19:10] <matti> dhillon-v10: I am used to building .rpm because of my work.
[19:11] <matti> dhillon-v10: And it is really simple - I've found building .deb a little bit more complex - although both apt-get and aptitude are better than rpm package manager.
[19:11] <matti> dhillon-v10: Any advice on how to begin?
[19:11] <dhillon-v10> matti, sure, you will have to do a lot of reading 
[19:12] <dhillon-v10> matti, what are you trying to package
[19:12] <matti> Nothing at the moment.
[19:12] <dhillon-v10> matti, nice :D alright let's find something for you, just a sec.
[19:13] <matti> Perhaps I should backport vlc 1.0.x to Intrepid.
[19:13] <matti> Unless its already done.
[19:13] <dhillon-v10> matti, you want to start out doing something smaller, I am not discouraging you but the amount of information you will find will be hard to keep up with
[19:14] <matti> ;]
[19:14] <matti> But it is not a rocket science, isnt it? ;]
[19:14] <dhillon-v10> matti, here's an insanely long guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html keep that for reference, Danial Holbach made some videos on packaging, let me get you the link for that as well
[19:15] <dhillon-v10> matti, no its not rocket science otherwise I wouldn't get it
[19:15] <matti> You would ;]
[19:15] <matti> Nothing is impossible.
[19:16] <matti> ;]
[19:16] <dhillon-v10> matti, alright here's another page, this one is long but you will have to read it, sorry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[19:17] <matti> What do we use during build process?
[19:17] <matti> Makefile? Ant? Scons?
[19:17] <matti> Crazy to the level of n^n autoconf?
[19:17] <matti> ;]
[19:18] <dhillon-v10> matti, nothing there's one common build process that applies to packaging a software written in any language
[19:18] <dhillon-v10> matti, that makes Debian so awesome
[19:19] <matti> Quick question - side thing - is there a way for an aplication to be forced to re-connect to the Puleaudio sink?
[19:20] <dhillon-v10> matti, not sure about that, I am learning about the sound base, right now I don't know much :D
[19:20] <dhillon-v10> matti, alright here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Videos 
[19:22] <matti> ;]
[19:23] <dhillon-v10> matti, when you finish watching the videos you can then jump on to #ubuntu-motu and then ask on how to get started
[19:24] <matti> OK
[19:24] <matti> I am already spying there ;]
[19:25] <matti> dhillon-v10: Thank you very much for your help!
[19:25] <matti> dhillon-v10: Do you have Wiki page on ubuntu.com?
[19:25] <dhillon-v10> matti, good luck and whenever you need me just /query dhillon-v10
[19:25] <dhillon-v10> matti, yah just a sec.
[19:26] <dhillon-v10> matti, it needs to be updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dhillonv/ will do that today
[19:26] <matti> Oh gosh.
[19:26] <matti> My FF just crashed ;]
[19:26]  * matti blames Adobe Flash.
[19:27] <dhillon-v10> matti, use chromium its really fast but in beta though never crashed until now
[19:27] <matti> Indeed it is.
[19:27] <matti> I am used to FF, hard to break old habits ;]
[19:28] <matti> Oh, you do not actually have feedback section in there ;]
[19:30] <dhillon-v10> matti, just make one then lol :D
[19:31] <dhillon-v10> matti, alright its there now
[19:35] <matti> Ops.
[19:35] <matti> I have conflicting entry ;]
[19:35] <matti> I was in process of adding one for you ;]
[19:36] <dhillon-v10> matti, don't worry I'll fix it 
[19:38] <matti> I can deal with it ;p
[19:40] <matti> - done.
[19:40] <matti> Hope you like it ;]
[19:41] <dhillon-v10> matti, thanks a lot, now that you remind me, I need to get testimonials from other devs. as well :D
[19:41] <matti> :)
[19:42] <dhillon-v10> matti, alright I have to go now, good luck and I'll talk to you later bye
[19:42] <matti> Bye!
[19:42] <matti> Merry Christmas!
[19:42] <dhillon-v10> matti, yah same to you