| micahg | asac: if you get a chance can you update upstream mozilla 478463 with info about libindicate | 00:35 |
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| ubottu | Mozilla bug 478463 in Backend "Add libnotify (+ libindicate) support to Thunderbird" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478463 | 00:35 |
| micahg | ping joelinux | 01:14 |
| === jtv1 is now known as jtv | ||
| mahfouz | in current ubuntu-mozilla build of 3.6, if I go to download list, choose a downloaded file, I click "open containing folder" and nothing happens | 14:40 |
| mahfouz | my wm is metacity | 14:40 |
| mahfouz | i have a related problem that some files dont open their external client when i download them | 14:40 |
| mahfouz | the problem is only there in 3.6 | 14:40 |
| mahfouz | it works fine in 3.5 and 3.7 | 14:41 |
| mahfouz | from daily build | 14:41 |
| joelinux | micahg: Did you get a change to look at the Seamonkey debian files? | 15:54 |
| micahg | not yet | 15:54 |
| micahg | let me see | 15:55 |
| joelinux | I made options for configure really simple. I basically went with the default config. I needed to set disable-crashreporter so it would build on i386. | 15:58 |
| micahg | we don't build with crash reporter yet | 15:59 |
| joelinux | I also had questions on how you select what goes in. | 16:00 |
| micahg | joelinux: looks pretty good | 16:00 |
| joelinux | I've been really happy with 2.0.1. It's been very stable for me. | 16:01 |
| micahg | joelinux: are you just looking for this in Lucid or in dailies as well? | 16:01 |
| joelinux | Um, this is where I need to learn the process. I know code and I'm coming over from a different distro. | 16:02 |
| joelinux | karmic had seamonkey 1.1.17 and I was getting worried that there were bugs that were not patched. | 16:03 |
| micahg | joelinux: well, lucid's no problem, but we probably need a few more ubuntu specific patches | 16:03 |
| joelinux | I would really like to understand those patches. I looked at the 1.1.17 patches and was trying to figure out what they do. | 16:04 |
| joelinux | The rules file also needs some work. I did not understand all the options. | 16:05 |
| * micahg is still learning some of that as well joelinux | 16:06 | |
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| micahg | thanks _Tsk_, I'm still learning :) | 16:27 |
| _Tsk_ | micahg: no problem | 16:27 |
| _Tsk_ | the more people on board the merrier ! | 16:27 |
| joelinux | micahg: What is the proper way to proceed? Do I set this up a personal project page? Do I join this team? How would I join? | 16:37 |
| mahfouz | concerning my what I said above, I noticed there is a content type "file" in 3.6 which messes up my application settings | 16:41 |
| mahfouz | is it possible to remove this "file" type or anything else i can do? | 16:41 |
| micahg | joelinux: if you're interested in joining the team, the best way is to contribute patches for a period of time | 16:42 |
| micahg | mahfouz: what application? | 16:43 |
| micahg | joelinux: you don't have to be a member to contribute | 16:43 |
| mahfouz | i have problems with different apps, one of them e.g. is scid to open pgn files | 16:43 |
| micahg | scid? | 16:43 |
| mahfouz | a chess program | 16:43 |
| mahfouz | but it's not just that | 16:43 |
| micahg | mahfouz: what does that have to do with mozilla or browsers in general? | 16:43 |
| mahfouz | say I set "file" to gedit, then it tries to open everything with gedit | 16:43 |
| mahfouz | it's the file type association of ff 3.6 | 16:44 |
| micahg | ah, ok | 16:44 |
| mahfouz | something is funny there, not just scid | 16:44 |
| mahfouz | i noticed that 3.6 has a type "file" which 3.5 and 3.7 dont have | 16:44 |
| micahg | mahfouz: what are you trying to open? | 16:44 |
| micahg | hmm | 16:44 |
| micahg | yeah, I see it | 16:44 |
| mahfouz | well, you don't have scid | 16:44 |
| micahg | idr ever running into it | 16:45 |
| mahfouz | i can find another example if you like | 16:45 |
| micahg | mahfouz: I think that's just for generic files | 16:45 |
| mahfouz | ah | 16:45 |
| mahfouz | so maybe it treats some files as generic | 16:45 |
| micahg | it's set to always ask for me by defulat | 16:45 |
| micahg | *default | 16:45 |
| mahfouz | but e.g. pgn has it's own type | 16:45 |
| mahfouz | it should not be treated as "generic" | 16:46 |
| micahg | right, images shouldn't be generic | 16:46 |
| mahfouz | there were some changes 2 weeks ago | 16:46 |
| mahfouz | that caused this | 16:47 |
| micahg | I guess the assumption is that images will open in the browser | 16:47 |
| mahfouz | ah | 16:47 |
| micahg | mahfouz: are you using dailies? | 16:47 |
| mahfouz | yes | 16:47 |
| mahfouz | daily build ppa | 16:47 |
| mahfouz | if you want, can try the following: (1) go to (say) www.reuters.com (2) download an image into your download folder (3) go to ff downloads (4) say "open" or "open containing" | 16:48 |
| micahg | hmm, I can't find anything | 16:49 |
| mahfouz | then it uses the "file" association | 16:49 |
| micahg | opens for me in ristretto | 16:50 |
| micahg | which is the system default | 16:51 |
| mahfouz | aha | 16:51 |
| micahg | mahfouz: what flavour of ubuntu are you on? | 16:51 |
| mahfouz | karmic | 16:51 |
| mahfouz | normal ubuntu | 16:51 |
| micahg | ah, ok, do you have firefox-3.6-gnome-support? | 16:51 |
| micahg | and xulrunner-1.9.2-gnome-support? | 16:51 |
| mahfouz | ah, no | 16:52 |
| mahfouz | do i have to install that manually? | 16:52 |
| mahfouz | forgot | 16:52 |
| mahfouz | only have 1.9.1 gnome-support | 16:52 |
| micahg | mahfouz: yeah, we don't force that because of KDE users | 16:52 |
| mahfouz | aha, works better now with jpg and ogg | 16:56 |
| mahfouz | but scid doesn't open still | 16:56 |
| mahfouz | is it possible that ff 3.6 has a problem with binaries in /usr/local/bin? | 16:59 |
| mahfouz | gtg, be back later | 17:01 |
| mbana | does anyone recall offhand if i can use gmail for custom domain but redirect my site to my personal sever? | 18:07 |
| micahg | mbana: that's controlled by dns | 18:08 |
| mbana | mmm ... i'm already using gmail for email on the custom domain but i _hate_ their sites application | 18:08 |
| micahg | mbana: you just need to set the a record to point to your webhost | 18:10 |
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| BUGabundo | fta: around? | 20:16 |
| BUGabundo | Ch is a mess :( | 20:16 |
| === BUGabundo is now known as SantaBUG | ||
| SantaBUG | Merry xtmas every one | 20:20 |
| mac_v | ho ho ho , SantaBUG ;p | 20:26 |
| mac_v | merry xmas :) | 20:27 |
| SantaBUG | mac_v: Merry xtmas http://p.bugabundo.net/merry-xtmas-and-an-happy-new-year-2010 | 20:27 |
| === mac_v is now known as \vish | ||
| * \vish wonders why SantaBUG isnt BUGsanta ;) would be more in line with BUGabundo | 20:28 | |
| \vish | or even Santabundo :) | 20:29 |
| mahfouz | micahg: are you still there? | 22:24 |
| micahg | mahfouz: yes | 22:24 |
| mahfouz | do you have emacs23? | 22:25 |
| mahfouz | to test | 22:25 |
| micahg | mahfouz: no | 22:25 |
| mahfouz | hmm | 22:25 |
| mahfouz | geany | 22:25 |
| mahfouz | ok | 22:25 |
| mahfouz | let me find some other test case | 22:25 |
| micahg | mahfouz: what's the problem | 22:25 |
| mahfouz | I claim that some apps don't open when choose them for opening a file | 22:26 |
| micahg | mahfouz: do you have the apparmor profile enabled? | 22:26 |
| micahg | check /var/log/kern.log | 22:26 |
| mahfouz | hmm | 22:26 |
| mahfouz | huge file | 22:26 |
| micahg | mahfouz: tail -n | 22:27 |
| micahg | tail -n 10 or 20 or 30 | 22:27 |
| mahfouz | AppArmor: AppArmor initialized | 22:27 |
| mahfouz | this one? | 22:27 |
| mahfouz | AppArmor: AppArmor Filesystem Enabled | 22:28 |
| micahg | you should see lines about firefox | 22:28 |
| micahg | if it's enabled | 22:28 |
| mahfouz | ah | 22:29 |
| mahfouz | (1261693453.795:406): operation="exec" pid=7943 parent=23144 profile="/usr/lib/firefox-3.6*/firefox{,*[^s][^h]}" requested_mask="::x" denied_mask="::x" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 name="/usr/bin/emacs23-x" | 22:29 |
| mahfouz | I tried emacs23 and it didn't open | 22:29 |
| micahg | mahfouz: there you go | 22:29 |
| mahfouz | oh | 22:30 |
| micahg | mahfouz: please follow instructions here on how to allow emacs | 22:30 |
| micahg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor | 22:30 |
| mahfouz | yeah same with the other apps | 22:30 |
| mahfouz | ok thx | 22:30 |
| micahg | mahfouz: if you think firefox should have access, please debug it and file a bug with what you find | 22:30 |
| mahfouz | but note that this is not a problem in 3.7 and 3.5 | 22:30 |
| micahg | mahfouz: you might not have those enabled | 22:30 |
| mahfouz | where to file btw? on lp or bugzilla.mozilla? | 22:31 |
| micahg | mahfouz: lp in firefox-3.5 | 22:31 |
| micahg | mahfouz: apparmor is ubuntu specific, not FF specific | 22:31 |
| mahfouz | but there must have been some changes about this 2 weeks ago | 22:32 |
| micahg | it would be great if we can get the bugs out now so that we can enable in lucid | 22:32 |
| mahfouz | in 3.6 only | 22:32 |
| micahg | mahfouz: yes, it was just added | 22:32 |
| mahfouz | oh, i see | 22:32 |
| micahg | but I guess it was jsut left on :) | 22:32 |
| micahg | I'll chat with the maintainer about it | 22:32 |
| mahfouz | ok, thx for your help | 22:32 |
| mahfouz | it was kind of annoying for me that some clients wouldnt start anymore | 22:32 |
| micahg | I can imagine | 22:33 |
| * micahg has been dealing with apparmor all day | 22:33 | |
| mahfouz | good idea for Xmas | 22:33 |
| micahg | mahfouz: are you able to debug and figure out if certain apparmor lines in the profile will help? | 22:59 |
| mahfouz | sure, but I have to read into wiki or do you have any suggestions? | 23:01 |
| micahg | mahfouz: wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor | 23:02 |
| mahfouz | what about this nano and less audits btw, need less be allowed or disallowed for some reason? | 23:03 |
| mahfouz | i mean i wasn't actively invoking nano | 23:03 |
| micahg | mahfouz: less doesn | 23:04 |
| micahg | 't make sense for output from firefox | 23:04 |
| micahg | what were you doing when it wanted to open nano | 23:04 |
| mahfouz | i get a lot of those, lesspipe, lessecho | 23:05 |
| micahg | mahfouz: you can do a tail -f and watch the entries come in as you work | 23:05 |
| mahfouz | i don't know atm what I did to get those messages | 23:05 |
| mahfouz | yeah, I even see the time stamps | 23:05 |
| mahfouz | but i have to do more testing | 23:05 |
| micahg | mahfouz: ok | 23:06 |
| mahfouz | micahg: I have a strange path to the profile binary | 23:12 |
| micahg | micahg: what do you mean? | 23:12 |
| mahfouz | profile="/usr/lib/firefox-3.6*/firefox{,*[^s][^h]}" | 23:12 |
| micahg | mahfouz: that's normal | 23:12 |
| mahfouz | i paste that into the terminal | 23:12 |
| mahfouz | ? | 23:12 |
| micahg | mahfouz: no | 23:12 |
| micahg | oh, sorry, I misunderstoog | 23:13 |
| mahfouz | sudo aa-complain /usr/lib/firefox-3.6b6pre/firefox-3.6 | 23:13 |
| micahg | the profile should be usr.bin.firefox-3.6 | 23:13 |
| micahg | so, sudo aa-complain /usr/bin/firefox-3.6 | 23:13 |
| micahg | we might need to update the documentation :) | 23:15 |
| mahfouz | # for maximum plugin/helper compatibility | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | #/usr/bin/* Uxr, | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | #/usr/lib/*/** ixr, | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | # | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | # For stricter access, comment out the 'maximum plugin/helper compatibility' | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | # lines above and uncomment these | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | # | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | i understand that this is the whitelist | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | that's from apparmor.d/firefox-3.6 | 23:19 |
| micahg | yes | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | imho, we shld allow everything in /usr/bin/ | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | or is that too much | 23:19 |
| micahg | mahfouz: too much | 23:19 |
| mahfouz | oh | 23:20 |
| mahfouz | gedit is whitelisted below | 23:20 |
| mahfouz | so you want to just add certain apps to the "miscellaneous" list? | 23:20 |
| micahg | mahfouz: yes, the apps that firefox should have access to under normal circumstances | 23:21 |
| mahfouz | wait, lemme check 3.5 | 23:21 |
| mahfouz | is it possible that 3.5 and 3.6 block different apps even though they have the same profile in apparmor.d? | 23:24 |
| mahfouz | usr.bin.firefox-3.5 and usr.bin.firefox-3.6 seem to be the same file | 23:25 |
| mahfouz | but 3.6 blocks a whole lot more | 23:26 |
| micahg | mahfouz: 3.6 is probably on and 3.5 is probably off | 23:26 |
| mahfouz | oh, so apparmor was never active for ff before? | 23:27 |
| micahg | they'll be the same if you're running dailies | 23:27 |
| micahg | mahfouz: not before karmic | 23:27 |
| micahg | and even in karmic not by default | 23:27 |
| mahfouz | yes | 23:27 |
| mahfouz | that's what I mean | 23:27 |
| mahfouz | but 3.6 has "on" by default? | 23:28 |
| micahg | mahfouz: not sure if that's a bug, I'll talk to the maintainer next week | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIMsgAccountManager.createIncomingServer]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://messenger/content/accountcreation/verifyConfig.js :: verifyConfig :: line 84" data | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | TB 3.1 | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | adding new account | 23:29 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: you have any extensions enabled? | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | no | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | clean profile | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | just installed it | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | 1st account | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | GApps account | 23:29 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: is this it? bug 490234? | 23:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 490234 in nemesispercussions "Make sure we can't move a drum outside the stage" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490234 | 23:39 |
| micahg | oops mozilla 490234 | 23:39 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 490234 in Account Manager "[autoconfig] New Quick Account doesn't support Google Apps" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490234 | 23:39 |
| BUGabundo | no idea | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | ahhhhhh maybe it is | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | so I can use TB3 | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOLOL | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | so much for my testing | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | found a bug right of the start that prevents me from using it | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | just my luck | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | subbing to it | 23:40 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: well, take a look at the bug and see if that's your situation, if so, please post the error in the bug | 23:40 |
| mahfouz | micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/500244 | 23:40 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 500244 in firefox-3.5 "AppArmor blocks Firefox 3.6 from opening many important apps" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 23:40 |
| mahfouz | I updated the bug | 23:41 |
| mahfouz | can easily be fixed by adding /usr/bin/emacs Uxr, | 23:41 |
| mahfouz | and analogous lines | 23:41 |
| micahg | mahfouz: BTW, we won't add anything in /usr/local/bin | 23:41 |
| mahfouz | there shld be some discussion about which apps are whitelisted and which shldnt | 23:41 |
| BUGabundo | done | 23:42 |
| micahg | mahfouz: openoffice is already whitelisted | 23:42 |
| mahfouz | many users would be surprised about the current (restrictive) settings | 23:42 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: thanks | 23:42 |
| mahfouz | openoffice is white, yeah my mistake | 23:43 |
| micahg | mahfouz: well, my suggestion to is to file a bug for each app or group of related apps | 23:43 |
| micahg | mahfouz: we've already covered most of the defaults | 23:43 |
| mahfouz | how about a warning if apps get blocked? | 23:44 |
| mahfouz | can we whitelist an app if the user chooses it himself? | 23:45 |
| micahg | bug 489278 | 23:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 489278 in apparmor "Apparmor should notify the user when it blocks access" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489278 | 23:45 |
| mahfouz | ah ok | 23:45 |
| micahg | mahfouz: I'm going to update your bug just for emacs | 23:46 |
| mahfouz | how about scid for the chess lovers? | 23:46 |
| micahg | unless you have the line for nano | 23:46 |
| micahg | mahfouz: is scid an ubuntu package? | 23:46 |
| mahfouz | yes | 23:46 |
| micahg | from our repo? | 23:46 |
| mahfouz | aptitude search scid | 23:46 |
| mahfouz | firefox even has a pgn file type association | 23:47 |
| mahfouz | pgn = chess notation | 23:47 |
| micahg | mahfouz: you must have a custom version of it | 23:47 |
| micahg | out scid is in /usr/bin/scid | 23:47 |
| micahg | *our | 23:47 |
| mahfouz | right | 23:47 |
| mahfouz | because the scid in repos is very old | 23:47 |
| mahfouz | there is a bug for this as well | 23:48 |
| mahfouz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scid/+bug/258183 | 23:48 |
| micahg | mahfouz: yes, but we can't grant access by default to anything not from the ubuntu repo | 23:48 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 258183 in scid "Please update Scid to new upstream version 3.6.24" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 23:48 |
| mahfouz | aha | 23:48 |
| mahfouz | well, ok | 23:48 |
| micahg | mahfouz: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/scid | 23:48 |
| mahfouz | but then we need documentation about how to whitelist these "other" packages | 23:49 |
| micahg | it's on the debuggingapparmor wiki page | 23:49 |
| mahfouz | well,ok then I'll vote for bug 489278 | 23:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 489278 in apparmor "Apparmor should notify the user when it blocks access" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489278 | 23:50 |
| micahg | mahfouz: you can mark it as affecting you | 23:51 |
| mahfouz | i did and subscribed | 23:51 |
| micahg | great | 23:51 |
| mahfouz | since this is affecting lucid, can you add /usr/bin/scid? | 23:52 |
| mahfouz | this will probly have newer scid version | 23:52 |
| mahfouz | and /usr/bin/emacs I guess | 23:52 |
| mahfouz | what is xemacs? /usr/bin/xemacs? | 23:52 |
| micahg | mahfouz: it's probably best if you list each app and the use case for including it | 23:53 |
| micahg | in the bug | 23:53 |
| mahfouz | the one I just filed? | 23:54 |
| mahfouz | ok, I'll update description again | 23:54 |
| micahg | mahfouz: yeah, great, thanks | 23:55 |
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