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SkaagI'm trying to install Ubuntu 8.04 on a machine with an Intel 82576 NIC (drive name is 'igb')00:29
SkaagIt doesn't detect the network card00:30
SkaagI can only find a driver for Redhat & Suse, on SuperMicro's site00:32
ziesemerSkaag what is SuperMicro? Can't you get a driver directly from Intel?00:45
SkaagI don't really know how to do that00:45
Skaagwhat to get00:46
Skaaghow to prepare it so that Hardy's Install CD will see it00:46
twbA driver for what?00:46
Skaagfor Intel's 82576 network card ('igb' module)00:46
SkaagIt works in Jaunty00:46
Skaagbut I'm supposed to install 8.04 LTS on this box00:47
SkaagI wish I could just install Karmic on it00:47
ziesemerJust install Hardy.  It doesn't need the network to work right away.00:47
Skaagand then?00:47
twbSkaag: it's part of the mainline kernel00:47
twbSkaag: to get it to work on Hardy, you'll need to install a non-Hardy kernel00:47
SkaagI see00:48
ziesemerCan't he install as a module otherwise?00:48
Skaagif I mount the karmic cd?00:48
twbziesemer: if it was packages as a standalone module, perhaps.00:48
Skaagcan I install its kernel  on hardy?00:48
twbziesemer: as it is, I don't know.00:48
ziesemerI'm looking on Intel...00:48
ziesemerThey always seem to have pretty good Linux support.00:49
twbSkaag: it's usually a very bad idea to install packages -- especially low-level packages -- from a different release.00:49
twbziesemer: good support means that it's in the kernel, not that you download a shitty third-party driver.00:49
twbInstalling third-party drivers is also a good way to make your system unstable.00:49
ziesemerYes, exactly:  http://downloadcenter.intel.com/detail_desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=1366300:50
ziesemertwb:  It may not be exactly desired, but it'll meet his requirements.00:50
ziesemerSkaag:  There's a readme in the download.  Just compile and follow the instructions after you install Hardy.00:51
twbSkaag: what's your reason for running Hardy?00:51
ziesemerIt's not like it's a "binary BLOB", as used with some video drivers.00:51
SkaagI need to compile this on another 8.04 that works already and is connected, right?00:51
ziesemerHardy is also LTS, remember.00:51
Skaagtwb: It's requested by some company I work with00:51
twbziesemer: yes, that's my guess.00:52
SkaagThey want 8.04 because it's LTS00:52
ziesemerSkaag:  You could, but I'd just run it on the machine you need it on.00:52
twbSkaag: what I'd tell the company is that you can install 8.04, but you'll need an out-of-band driver -- or you can install a non-LTS release and upgrade to 10.04 in a few months.00:52
twbBoth suck, so IMO it's best to leave the decision to the customer00:53
ziesemerI just went through all this on a system with a Realtek network card.  My only issue was that the r8169 driver from Realtek's web site wasn't updated yet for the latest 2.6.31 kernel, so it won't compile without some patchwork, or until Realtek updates it.  In this case, Intel last updated the driver just last month, so I doubt you'll have any issues.00:56
Skaagziesemer: I need to find a way to copy it there... along with build-essential... without a network!00:59
Skaag10.04 is the next LTS?01:00
Skaaghow long until that's out?01:00
ziesemer10.04 would be roughly April 2010.01:05
ptingis it just my network, or is amazon.com down?01:05
ziesemerSkaag:  Especially if you use the DVD installation of hardy, you should have most everything you need available, including build-essential.01:06
ziesemerpting:  It's just your network.  :-)01:06
ziesemerSkaag:  Otherwise, you can always "sneaker-net" the packages, using a USB flash drive, etc.  Or just temporarily install a compatible network card.01:07
SkaagI don't have physical access to the machine, just IPMI, so I can connect my local cd-rom, and my local flopy01:07
Skaagfloppy01:07
Skaagall the iso files are on my laptop here01:07
ziesemerWell, after you complete the initial install, you can always create new .iso's containing the files you need, if necessary.01:09
twbSkaag: can you have a waldo add a second NIC to the machine temporarily?01:16
twbSkaag: or use IP-over-1394?01:17
twbIf it has to be via CD, you can use jigdo to create a CD with the packages you need.01:17
Skaagjigdo sounds like the only option I have01:29
twbWhat kind of box is this?01:33
twbNormally I would just slap in an e100 for a few months, then upgrade to 10.0401:33
Skaag10.04 is available now?01:34
Skaagok sorry01:34
Skaagdon't answer that01:34
SkaagI just re-read what you wrote01:34
SkaagI'm just really tired01:34
Skaagthere's nobody I can speak to right now, so I can't have anything put into the server01:34
twbI hate hardware01:36
Skaagoh man, so do I01:37
twbWhen computers run entirely in software, I'll be happy01:37
Skaagevery hardware manufacturer and his own stupid proprietary crap01:37
ziesemerThey do.  Enter virtualization.  :-)01:37
twbziesemer: SOMEONE is still responsible for the hardware01:37
SkaagI actually believe in Open Source hardware01:38
SkaagAnd its adoption by companies01:38
Skaaglike, ok, here's a standard for implementing a network card01:38
Skaagand companies will just make cards to that spec01:38
twbThere are like four pieces of fully open hardware01:38
twbEverything else just has open drivers and -- if you're lucky -- a well-documented ABI01:39
neezerhello01:52
ziesemerI had to replace a failed motherboard with a different replacement, so a new on-board LAN controller.  My configured VLAN is no longer receiving traffic, but everything else is working.  Just ruled out driver issues, as it works on a reinstall to a different hard drive.  Is there anything else that needs to be cleared out due to this, e.g. a MAC address stored somewhere?02:14
twbziesemer: yes02:22
twbziesemer: udev remembers MAC -> interface name mappings02:22
twbziesemer: delete the relevant file in /etc/udev/rules.d/02:23
twbOr reconfigure everything to operate on eth202:23
ziesemertwb: Done, both ways.02:23
twbThat's the only place the MAC is stored on a typical 8.04 system02:23
twbs/system/server/02:23
ziesemerOriginally tried removing the old rules, to keep everything on eth0 and eth0.*.  Then tried moving to eth1 and eth1.*, in case there was something funny about eth0.02:24
ziesemerIs actually a Karmic / 9.10 system.02:24
ziesemerOr what else can I do to essentially "reset the network" without having to re-install the entire system?  (It works on a fresh install to a new HD.)02:25
twbI have no experience with non-LTS releases, sorry02:25
ScottKziesemer: I'd grep -r "[MAC address]" * in /etc02:27
ScottKI think I was running Feisty the last time I had deal with this.02:28
ziesemerOnly result is in the /etc/udev/rules.d, which I already edited.02:33
ziesemerI guess a reinstall won't hurt, except for the time.  But I'll probably make up for it by the time I figure this out.  But I really want to figure this out, in case it happens again...02:34
ScottKYou did restart the machine after editing that, right?02:35
ziesemerYep.02:36
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neezerhello04:05
neezerdoes anyone here know much about getting remote desktop to work via ssh?04:05
ziesemerBy Remote Desktop, do you mean the Windows tool?  I.E., using SSH to secure your RDP traffic?04:09
neezerI'm not sure.04:09
neezerI just want to be able to see the desktop on my media server and use my mouse on it in a window.04:09
neezerI am not exactly sure how I was doing it before, but I had it working with putty on vista. now i just have ubuntu on my laptop with ubuntu also on my server box.04:10
twbziesemer: on Windows, RDP is called "tsclient"04:12
ziesemertwb:  Yes, but that's not what he's looking for here.04:12
twbneezer: if your media server runs Linux, the easiest thing is to use VNC (over SSH, for security).04:12
ziesemerneezer: Well, that's kind of off-topic for here, but especially if you're doing Linux -> Linux, you'd either want X11 forwarding, or probably VNC.  Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC .04:13
neezerhow do I do that?04:13
twb"ssh -fX fs oowriter" is also pretty easy, I guess :-)04:13
neezerI guess I have been doing x11 forwarding. I have been opening things like gedit, firefox just to test it, fahmon.04:15
twbneezer: that's X forwarding, yes04:15
neezerI read somewhere that i could use the command gnome-desktop when ssh'd into my server to see the desktop...it gives me errors.04:17
twbX forwarding just runs applications (or even an entire desktop) remotely.04:17
twbIt doesn't let you view what's on another desktop -- for that, you need VNC04:18
twbBut as ziesemer points out, GUI stuff is off-topic here.04:18
neezerI guess I'm missing something. You are saying that x forwarding would allow me to run an entire desktop. then right after it you say it doesn't let me view another desktop.04:21
twbneezer: GNU/Linux can display an arbitrary number of desktops concurrently04:22
neezerI think I get it.04:24
neezerif someone were logged into my server at home while I was away, we couldn't share the same desktop and watch each other do work with x forwarding.04:25
neezerin order for two people to view the same desktop you need vnc?04:25
twbneezer: or some other desktop *export* system04:26
twbVNC is the only one that's widely available04:26
neezeri see.04:26
neezerso using x forwarding I should be able to pull up a desktop and control it remotely with ssh?04:26
twbneezer: yes.04:26
neezercause that is really all I need.04:26
neezerthank you.04:26
twbFor example, you could run Firefox remotely04:26
neezeryes. and I have.04:27
twbExcept for thin clients, you wouldn't normally forward an entire desktop04:27
neezerI just run into problems when I try to run the desktop.04:27
neezeroh.04:27
neezerso I need to go to ubuntu-gui??04:28
twbDunno04:28
maxgqci'm running a wisp (wireless isp). I have a linux bridge proxy cache server between my router and the lan/wlan. I'd like to get statistics on bandwidth usage of each station. Does anyone know something that could do that ?05:43
ziesemerSo my VLAN issues appear to be due to the physical interface being part of a bridge (bridge_ports in /etc/network/interfaces).  If I remove the bridge, then everything works as expected.  Could this be driver specific?  (It worked with my old motherboard, same installation.)05:54
twbI've only ever put a bridge on a vlan, not the other way around05:54
ziesemerWell, I need to bridge VirtualBox to the "untagged VLAN".05:55
ziesemerSo previously, I had eth0 (physical), eth0.5 (vlan), vbox0, and br0.  br0 was made of eth0 and vbox0.05:56
ziesemerRight now, VirtualBox isn't even in the equation.  The moment I add only eth0 to a bridge "br0", the VLAN transmits, but no longer receives traffic.05:56
twbziesemer: that would be a bridge on top of eth0.005:58
twbOr eth0.1 or whatever your untagged vlan is05:58
twbHmm, does Linux use raw "eth0" for untagged packets?05:59
ziesemer"eth0" was working for me, prior to replacing the Motherboard and getting a new network controller/driver.05:59
ziesemerShould eth0.0 work?05:59
ziesemerMaybe that's my entire issue?05:59
twbAs "ip addr" which interfaces have IPs06:00
twbHere, eth0.0 and eth0.1 have IPs06:00
twb(that's on a 2.4 kernel OpenWRT)06:00
ziesemerI'll try declaring my "eth0" as "eth0.0" instead...06:00
ziesemerSeems like it must be eth0.0000 .  This fixed communication on my VLAN.  But now I have no communication on the untagged VLAN...06:07
ziesemerBasically same as before.  eth0.0000 is transmitting traffic, but not receiving.06:08
ziesemerLooks like someone else had my issue:  http://www.mail-archive.com/bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org/msg01269.html06:15
Jeeves_ziesemer: Is that box using udev too?06:24
ziesemer"that box"?  Yes, I'm using udev, I think...06:24
ziesemerBasically, I mostly solved my previous "VLAN" issue.  It appeared that VLAN was broke on my new network controller with different drivers.  However, it is only "broke" when I attempt to bridge the untagged (physical) interface.06:26
Jeeves_ziesemer: Udev might be renaming your interface06:27
Jeeves_look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules06:27
ziesemerI don't think this is the issue here...06:27
Jeeves_If your old interface is mentioned in there, you might get weird results06:28
ziesemerI've now reinstalled since the motherboard replacement.06:28
ziesemerThat rule file has only one line for my physical adapter, naming it to eth0, which I believe is correct for my setup (?).06:28
Jeeves_Ah ok06:28
Jeeves_I've never experienced the issues you describe above06:29
ziesemerDo you have a setup with both bridging and vlans?06:30
Jeeves_Yes, although without a native vlan06:31
Jeeves_But i've had that before06:31
ziesemerAs did I - before I had to replace hardware...06:31
Jeeves_ziesemer: What switching hardware are you using?06:31
Jeeves_Should be a real issue if you push it tagged to the switch, iirc06:32
ziesemerA Dell PowerConnect.  Guess I could just reconfigure it to send all untagged traffic to this box as a new tag...06:32
Jeeves_iirc, with Cisco, if you put the native vlan tagged in the trunk as well, it'll stop using the native vlan and start using the tag06:33
Jeeves_Not completely sure though06:33
Jeeves_Anyway, have to go06:34
ziesemerAt least on the PowerConnect, the "untagged" traffic is actually VLAN1 - which is just configured to untag on all ports by default...06:34
ziesemerThanks for the insight.06:34
Jeeves_np, good luck06:34
quietonenewbie here. I'm trying to setup a home network to run a calendar for the family. I followed instructions at UbuntuGeek and it seems to work fine on the host machine (mine). But I can't get another machine to access the calendar or publish.  I've skimmed the server guide but it doesn't seem to fit what I am trying to do.08:20
twbquietone: what kind of calendar?08:36
twbThe traditional kind of email-based BSD calendaring is, I suspect, not what you mean08:37
Aisonhello08:38
Aisonhow can I bring rsyslogd to accept external logmessages over network?08:38
AisonI uncommented this lines in rsyslog.conf08:38
twbAison: isn't that covered in the ubuntu server guide?08:38
Aison$ModLoad imudp08:38
Aison$UDPServerRun 51408:38
quietoneI found a page describing how to set up a remote calendar using webDAV and mozilla songbird08:38
Aisonbut it dont help08:38
twbquietone: ITYM sunbird (iceowl).08:39
Aisontwb, maybe? but where?!08:40
twbLemme look...08:40
quietonetwb: ? new to chat too and don't know what you are saying08:41
twbquietone: the Mozilla calendar application is called "sunbird", not "songbird".08:41
twbAison: I can't find a mention of it, so ignore me.08:42
quietonetwb: yes, it was a typo.08:42
twbquietone: where is this page you're reading?08:43
quietonetwb: i'll be a minute as I figure out tinyurl again ... and help a child who just called....08:44
quietonetwb: I used this:   http://tinyurl.com/yfc2xpj08:48
qman__quietone, well I see the problem08:49
qman__that doc is from november 200708:49
qman__stuff has changed a lot in the last two years08:49
quietoneqman__: ok, where do I start?08:50
qman__well, I haven't set anything like that up, but you should always start with official documentation first08:51
qman__the ubuntu server guide, official help and wiki, etc08:51
quietoneqman__: I have read through the ubuntu server guide and it hasn't help me.08:52
qman__ok, well it looks like a pretty straightforward setup from what I've read so far08:52
qman__I don't know anything about the calendar bit but I know a lot about apache08:53
qman__first make sure it's running and what port it's on08:53
quietoneqman__: thanks, yes apache2 is up and running. I have it on 80 but would like the calendar to use another, if possible so apache is listening on two ports.08:56
twbquietone: I kinda suspect you just need to tell apache to allow remote access instead of just localhost08:57
qman__quietone, that's possible but it's a little more complicated08:57
qman__you will need to create a second site configuration, using another virtualhost for it08:57
qman__but first just try to get it working08:58
twbI hate vhosting08:58
quietoneqman__: that's fine I am happy to keep it simple and use 80.08:58
twbBecause we don't have split-horizon DNS in the office, so the multi-homed server needs at least foo, foo.office.cybersource.com.au and foo.cybersource.com.au for any given vhost, and whoever sets up each vhost usually forgets two of the three.08:59
twbThat and it means DNS needs to work in order to get to the vhosted pages08:59
qman__yeah, it can get frustrating when stuff just doesn't want to work09:00
qman__and I always end up having to mess with /etc/hosts to get apache to stop complaining09:00
qman__even when DNS is correct09:00
qman__quietone, the next step is to make sure you're answering web requests, so open up http://localhost/ on the server if you have a browser on it, and open up the server's name on the other computer09:01
qman__if you get an "It Works!" page or a directory listing, you're good09:02
qman__on both machines that is, if only localhost works we've narrowed the problem09:02
quietoneqman__: it works on the host only with 127.0.0.1. Both machines fail with my static ip address.09:03
qman__ok09:03
qman__I'm guessing you don't have a firewall configured, and in that case apache would only be listening on localhost09:04
qman__run the following and paste (or pastebin if it's long) the result09:04
qman__grep -R "Listen" /etc/apache209:04
quietoneWe have three machines behind a router for a firewall.09:05
qman__I mean on the machine running the calender09:05
qman__are both the server and client behind the same router?09:05
quietoneyes. since I don't know pastebin yet. Can I just confirm that apache only knows about 127.0.0.109:06
qman__well09:06
quietoneqman__: Yes server and client (my machine) are behind the same router.09:07
qman__if you have any Listen lines (that aren't commented out) that specify an IP address, change them to only specify the port09:07
qman__grep -R shows you which file each line is in09:07
qman__if none of them are specifying an IP, then you need to check the site virtualhost configuration09:07
qman__which, with only one default site, should be *:8009:08
quietoneok i'll be a few minutes09:08
quietoneqman: both my machine and my partner's' now get the "It works" with my static IP. Yippy!09:12
qman__great09:12
qman__hopefully the calendar will work now09:13
qman__DAV and sunbird are beyond my expertise, so if apache's working that's all the help I can provide anyway09:13
quietoneqman__: you've been extremely helpful. we just tested and hubby got to the calendar! that is all we want to do!09:17
j416Hi. Does anyone know of a good guide on how to set up a CA and create a root certificate?09:18
qman__j416, https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html09:20
j416qman__: thank you! reading09:20
j416perfect09:21
j416this'll do09:21
j416I hope09:21
qman__it really boils down to just a few commands to get going, but you need to understand what's really going on, that's why it's a bit wordy09:22
qman__CA part is below the certificate part09:22
j416yeah I found it09:23
j416thanks09:23
j416I understand the concepts, but not the complicated syntax09:23
qman__lots of options09:23
j416indeed09:24
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mcashi again11:17
mcasis there a package for icinga?11:18
mcasor is it ok if i try to build one?11:18
_ruben!info icinga11:30
ubottuPackage icinga does not exist in karmic11:31
Thugalicinga is an interesting project, adding some functionality to nagios that has been very slow in coming.  But version 1.0 was released on the 16th of this month.  I'm not aware of anyone packaging it yet11:50
mcasThugal: i could try the build12:08
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blistovanyone have openvas-server running on karmic WITH a plugin feed?16:43
blistovI seem to be missing the binaries to sync.16:43
blistovnvm.  bug #48679016:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 486790 in openvas-server "openvas-server is missing openvas-nvt-sync script" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48679016:46
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MatukuI've just made a bit of a boo-boo whilst messing around with my server; I think i've managed to strip my main account of sudo priveleges...17:35
ScottKDo you have physical access to the box?17:37
MatukuNo screen attached atm but if necessary I could get one17:38
uvirtbotNew bug: #500179 in likewise-open5 (universe) "package likewise-open5-eventlog 5.0.3991.1+krb5-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50017917:41
MatukuI was attempting to add the user to a new group but forget the -a so it's stripped it from all the others17:43
ScottKYou can reboot and locally select the recovery option.  That'll give you a root shell you can fix it with.17:53
Matuku_14What do I need to do? Just add them to admin group again?17:55
ScottKShould be.17:57
Matuku_14Seems to have done it :)17:58
Mrseekhello18:08
Mrseekis there any good documentation on the upstart process for ubuntu ?18:08
tesseracterim putting my 2 ssds on raid0, with backup to a 2tb external, and want to figure out what settings would be best in terms of stripe size and such.18:26
Hypnozin the command "find . -name file -exec chgrp woot {} +"  it seems I need the + at the end, but anyone know what thats for?19:06
Hypnozhttp://www.linuxjokes.com/19:20
uvirtbotNew bug: #498152 in samba (main) "Problem with Ubuntu 9.10 to Windows XP file share" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49815219:50
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