[05:27] <Guest53746> hey what exactly is Ubuntu arm? sounds fun
[05:39] <Guest53746> ?
[05:40] <pwnguin> presumably its a port to the ARM architecture
[05:40] <Guest53746> so then i could run it on say my ipod touch
[05:40] <Guest53746> ?
[05:41] <pwnguin> how would you install it?
[05:42] <Guest53746> well one installs an os from a medium of data called a CD, so i guess the data medium of installation would be a hard drive and a usb cord
[05:42] <Guest53746> if i were to do it at least
[05:45] <Programmador> so i guess thats how
[05:45] <Programmador> The darwin kernel is open source too
[05:45] <Programmador> so i guess i would grab some of its kext handling code
[05:45] <Programmador> patch them into the kernel
[05:46] <Programmador> and keep the ipod kexts until i could write my own (good luck)
[05:46] <Programmador> seeing as the ipod touch os is a stripped down version of OSX
[05:48] <pwnguin> have you by chance ever installed rockbox on your ipod touch?
[05:49] <Programmador> this sounds like fun. if anyone who is working on it is here please keep in touch, i would love see ubuntu on my ipod touch
[05:49] <pwnguin> i dont think anyone's working on it
[05:49] <pwnguin> there's far more open hardware available
[05:50] <Programmador> open what?
[05:50] <pwnguin> hardware
[05:50] <Programmador> like open source hardware as in the blueprints?
[05:50] <pwnguin> you dont have to jailbreak nokia's stuff
[05:50] <Programmador> true that
[05:51] <pwnguin> openmoko, pandora
[05:51] <Programmador> im just thinking about how many people have the ipod touch i know
[05:51] <Programmador> its all the same hardware and software, makes things easy lol
[05:51] <pwnguin> kinda
[05:52] <pwnguin> i guess people have hacked up the iphone enough to install a bootloader and kernel
[05:52] <pwnguin> http://www.vimeo.com/2373142
[05:52] <Martyn> And rockbox is meant to run on =far= less capable hardware
[05:52] <Programmador> IOKit probably has something to program for the hardware
[05:52] <Martyn> franly, the ipod touch is /huge/ compared to the platforms rockbox usually runs on
[05:53] <pwnguin> Martyn: im just saying, rockbox would be an easier first step than ubuntu
[05:53] <Programmador> more memory to work with, but also more hardware to deal with
[05:53] <Martyn> pwnguin : Oh good god
[05:53] <Martyn> pwnguin : The entire linux kernel was ported to the iPhone platform, and then we all gave up on it because Apple basically has built a platform to be as unfriendly as possible
[05:53] <Programmador> well easy isnt my thing lol ive been a linux user for years now and have dug deep lol
[05:53] <pwnguin> heh
[05:54] <Martyn> half the hardware in there is nearly impossible to reverse engineer drivers for without being exposed to the original firmware
[05:54] <Programmador> IOkit works?
[05:54] <Programmador> the xcode programming interface for drivers?
[05:54] <Programmador> its got to
[05:55] <Martyn> When Jurgen tried to cobble together a driver for the capacitive touch sensor .. he literally threw the phone out a window after three months of fruitless toil
[05:55] <pwnguin> heh
[05:55] <Programmador> that bad eh?
[05:55] <Martyn> that bad
[05:55] <pwnguin> Martyn: so what hardware do you run ubuntu-arm on?
[05:56] <Martyn> WIth the G1 and all the other great Android hardware platforms .. nobody really wanted to run on the iPhone anymore
[05:56] <Programmador> that sucks
[05:56] <Martyn> pwnguin : One of the first quad core ARM development boards in the world?
[05:56] <pwnguin> hah
[05:56] <pwnguin> ok
[05:57] <pwnguin> god why
[05:57] <Martyn> pwnguin : I work for smooth-stone, we're making an ARM server CPU
[05:57] <Programmador> I'd really like to see ubuntu on the iphone so I can see Steve Jobs cry
[05:57] <Programmador> wow lol
[05:57] <Martyn> Yep, big wow
[05:57] <pwnguin> Programmador: why would he cry, when ubuntu isn't gonna run smoothly on it
[05:57] <Programmador> why on earth would you want to do that?
[05:57] <Martyn> I've already gotten 9.10 working, and I'm the one who created the lucid-arm-server blueprint
[05:57] <pwnguin> probably power envelope and because you think it'll be fast
[05:57] <Programmador> because i bet you some one out there would make it soooth
[05:58] <Programmador> smooth
[05:58] <Programmador> so anyway i gtg happy christmas all, i think I'll drop in later, this sounds pretty cool