[01:49] <gord> christmas eve brings out the crazies...
[02:23] <MenZa> idd.
[02:23] <MenZa> also, happy christmas gordles.
[02:24] <gord> merrys all around
[02:39]  * MenZa noddles.
[02:41]  * mneptok decks the halls with bans of folly
[03:11]  * MenZa decks mneptok with a blanket.
[04:54] <Jeruvy> need ops in #ubuntu please
[04:57] <MenZa> !ops | Could someone attend to #ubuntu?
[04:57] <MenZa> Lovely, thanks KB1JWQ :)
[04:57] <KB1JWQ> Heh, tried, MenZa
[04:57] <KB1JWQ> I'll let you clean it up. :-)
[04:58] <MenZa> I don't have #ubuntu access
[04:58] <MenZa> Jamed: We're aware.
[04:58] <Jamed> MenZa: ok, i was wondering why nobody bans him...
[04:58] <MenZa> Jamed: As am I.
[04:59] <MenZa> Jamed: We've had a shortage of core ops around at these times lately.
[04:59] <MenZa> KB1JWQ: Would you care to address the issue here?
[04:59] <Jamed> MenZa: so there is nobody around to ban him?
[04:59] <KB1JWQ> Trying to figure out who started it, I'm reading my logs now.
[05:00] <KB1JWQ> So much for that.
[05:00] <KB1JWQ> That's a ten minute quiet.
[05:00] <MenZa> Jamed: Because we're volunteers in different timezones. Freenode staff are able to resolve situations if they go against Freenode policy.
[05:01] <MenZa> KB1JWQ: I recommend a ban on Plankton, without having read everything thoroughly.
[05:01] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, staff tends to backstop ops when they're not around. :)
[05:01]  * MenZa bows deeply to KB1JWQ 
[05:01] <Jamed> MenZa: i have just never seen that there is no op around
[05:01] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, there are a LOT of them in #ubuntu land.
[05:02] <MenZa> Jamed: Unfortunately, we've experienced a shortage lately. The IRC Council will be looking into it.
[05:02] <MenZa> Worry not; it'll be resolved.
[05:03] <KB1JWQ> It's Christmas eve / day though, so..
[05:03] <MenZa> Indeed.
[05:04] <MenZa> KB1JWQ: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2009-December/000829.html
[05:04] <MenZa> Jamed: Can we do anything else for you?
[05:04] <MenZa> Jeruvy: Hi, can we help you?
[05:04] <Jeruvy> thank you KB1JWQ
[05:04] <Jamed> MenZa: no, i'm happy now :)
[05:05] <MenZa> Jamed: Excellent! Please note the topic :)
[05:05] <KB1JWQ> No worries.
[05:05] <Jamed> MenZa: i did
[05:05] <Jamed> i am about to leave :)
[05:06] <MenZa> KB1JWQ: I've experienced this issue a few times recently.
[05:06] <KB1JWQ> Lots of ops tend to dislike it when staff get involved (with good reason!), but stuff like that isn't exactly "grey area."
[05:06] <MenZa> Oh, I definitely agree.
[05:06] <MenZa> In this case, I would have happily taken the blame upon myself in case anyone complained.
[05:07] <MenZa> Right, I'll return to my X-Files Marathon.
[05:07]  * MenZa wavess
[05:07] <MenZa> Thanks, Merry Christmas :)
[05:10] <KB1JWQ> No worries.
[05:10] <KB1JWQ> Ping me if anything blows up again, I should be around for a few hours.
[06:21] <bazhang> rgr seems to be a searchbot
[06:26] <KB1JWQ> Ugh.
[06:26] <KB1JWQ> How'd you know?
[06:26] <KB1JWQ> bazhang: ^^
[06:26] <bazhang> KB1JWQ, saw the !google | m00ey response also in ##linux
[06:27] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, I'll boot it out of there.
[07:26] <Gentoon> Hi
[07:27] <Gentoon> I was banned a while ago in #ubuntu-offtopic for losing my temper, I am sorry. May I please be allowed back in now?
[14:03] <bazhang> is Ubuntu CE officially supported?
[14:12] <topyli> the christian edition? afaik no
[14:21] <bazhang> okay thanks.
[14:21] <jussi01> bazhang: what do you mean by "officially supported2?
[14:23] <jussi01> bazhang: this page is helpful ;) http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/derivatives
[14:25] <bazhang> jussi01, just checking what psinetic was posting about UbuntuCE , went to their homepage and it seems it is a derivative as your link suggests, thanks
[14:25] <jussi01> bazhang: :)
[14:30] <jussi01> hehe, I just tried to tab complete my password....
[14:31] <bazhang> haha
[19:00] <Tm_T> hi kids
[23:08] <bazhang> guntbert, hi
[23:08] <guntbert> Hi, according to a conversation between fata_erro and  jpds the company www.linode.com change their ubuntu server serioulsy (root password set, no admin group) should ubuntu be informed?
[23:08] <guntbert> *seriously
[23:08] <jpds> No?
[23:09] <jussi01> guntbert: no, its open source, so they can do pretty much what they like with their settings.
[23:09] <guntbert> jussi01: yes, but changing essential parts and still calling i ubuntu seems a bit starnge to me
[23:10] <Pricey> guntbert: To offer the sort of service they do, they need to make those changes.
[23:10] <Pricey> different kernel etc. etc.
[23:10] <jpds> Pricey: Well, they use Xen.
[23:10] <jussi01> guntbert: I think this page is where youll find what you need: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[23:11] <Pricey> jpds: meh sorry, over generalising it
[23:11] <jpds> guntbert: How else would someone log in for the first time if not through root?
[23:11] <guntbert> Pricey: I see - but I suppose we will get some weird support questions in the future
[23:11] <jpds> (...to make changes as they see fit?)
[23:11] <jussi01> jpds: ?
[23:11] <jpds> jussi01: Hmm?
[23:12] <guntbert> jpds: jussi01 the changes are ok - but it worries me that they are not made obvious for the users
[23:12]  * jussi01 doesnt know the situation, but to me it seems strange they have a root user...
[23:14] <guntbert> I'd expext them to say: "you get basically ubuntu 9.10 but with several interesting changes - please visit our friendly forums for suppport"
[23:14] <jpds> jussi01: EC2 does the same thing.
[23:15] <guntbert> ok - I'll leave that to you - have a nice time