| darkmatter | grrr... I hate gtk more than ever | 05:54 |
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| itsbrad212 | hey | 07:46 |
| itsbrad212 | :D | 07:47 |
| itsbrad212 | anybody here? | 07:48 |
| thorwil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/24681250@N07/4208717468/in/set-72157623056086416/ | 12:41 |
| raozuzu | thorwil: nice! :D | 12:52 |
| === \vish is now known as mac_v | ||
| cb2k | Hello Kenneth I have just signed up and now I'm testing x-chat... | 18:29 |
| cb2k | Could you possibly confirm if you are receiving this message please... | 18:33 |
| cb2k | I guess you must be enjoying the holidays anyway seasons greetings will try to contact you again sometime soon. | 18:38 |
| thorwil | hi cb2k. Kenneth goes by the nick kwwii here | 18:38 |
| thorwil | cb2k: and he will see lines with his nick in them highlighted (red) | 18:39 |
| cb2k | Thank you and glad to hear from you. | 18:39 |
| thorwil | cb2k: np. since it sounds like you're new to irc, let me add that this medium allows close-to-synchronous communication, but it is not uncommon that several minutes or even hours pass before a response | 18:43 |
| cb2k | Thanks for the info and yes you assumed correctly first time on Irc, I guess I should just leave it open then... | 18:45 |
| thorwil | cb2k: some of us leave an irc window open all day / as long as the system is on. hardcore users even use remote sessions for 24/7 loging :) | 18:48 |
| thorwil | this is a small and often rather quiet channel, of course | 18:50 |
| cb2k | It seems very useful to have an open communication I've just been going through the registration procedures - remote sessions ? sounds like I have some swatting up to do | 18:50 |
| cb2k | thorwil: I assume you have been involved with the ubuntu-art for sometime then? | 18:53 |
| thorwil | cb2k: you need a server for that (in the sense of an always-on system, at least). usually involves irssi and gnu screen. but one should not worry about things happening while one is not directly present. you need time to read the logs and i wonder who has it? | 18:53 |
| cb2k | Thorwil: got it I guess I can leave it open during my waking hours and catch up relay style via the lists then... | 18:55 |
| thorwil | cb2k: since before hardy at least, i think | 18:55 |
| thorwil | cb2k: a channel like this one shines if you work directly with someone else here on a project | 18:56 |
| cb2k | Nice to hear - I like the the direction it has taken.... ah I saw the flash when you responded. | 18:57 |
| thorwil | cb2k: sometimes also for open discussions and having a little fun | 18:57 |
| cb2k | Thorwil: it's going to take me some getting used to... | 18:58 |
| thorwil | cb2k: but announcements, calls for help/collaboration, refining plans ... are often better off on the mailing list | 18:58 |
| thorwil | cb2k: yes, i recall it did in my case :) | 18:59 |
| cb2k | Thorwil: Understood mailing list. | 18:59 |
| * thorwil got dragged into irc from jabber sessions with 2 developers | 18:59 | |
| cb2k | Thorwil: will catch up some other time when suitable thanks for your help :) | 19:00 |
| thorwil | cb2k: ok, np, cya :) | 19:00 |
| cjohnston | I know everyone is probably busy with the holidays and such, but does anyone have a few minutes to teach me how to edit a .svg file in inkscape? | 19:54 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: if you can be more specific than that / break it down, perhaps | 19:56 |
| cjohnston | thorwil: I'm trying to edit the text of the business cards provided by Ubuntu... for members.. but I have no idea how.. It's a .svg file | 19:57 |
| raozuzu | what about using Inkscape? | 19:58 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: do you have the file up somewhere? | 19:58 |
| cjohnston | thorwil: that you could look at? | 19:58 |
| thorwil | yes | 19:58 |
| cjohnston | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu_card.tar.gz | 19:58 |
| thorwil | heh, the about.rdf is a joke | 19:59 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: the letters of the name are vectors, not editable text | 20:04 |
| thorwil | not clever | 20:04 |
| cjohnston | umm.. Ok.. | 20:04 |
| cjohnston | So it's not gonna be easy for me to edit them then.. | 20:05 |
| ryanprior | well, not necessarily hard either :-) | 20:05 |
| ryanprior | vectors are flexible | 20:05 |
| thorwil | anyone got an idea what font that is? | 20:05 |
| * cjohnston isnt good with artsy type stuff at all.. We actually need some artwork made for Ubuntu User Days too.. but I guess someone was told to wait until after the new year for that | 20:07 | |
| thorwil | cjohnston: if you open the file in inkscape, you only need Object -> Ungroup to make the contents editable | 20:10 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: you could then replace the vector name with a custom one as actual text | 20:11 |
| thorwil | i can't find a matching type quickly and won't invest more time | 20:11 |
| cjohnston | Ok.. Thanks for your time | 20:13 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: if you hand out an svg for printing, it is a good idea to convert all text to vectors. but as you not if you pass files on for editing | 20:14 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: maybe you can make some noise about this issue so it might be solved once and for all? | 20:15 |
| cjohnston | thorwil: no matter what changes are made, I'd still have to learn how to edit the file... so I don't know that it's really that big of a deal.. I would imagine if it was, others would have complained already | 20:16 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: if it was done right, changing the text would be about as difficult as changing any text in a word processor | 20:18 |
| cjohnston | I gotcha.. | 20:18 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: compared to now, where you have to insert new text with the right font in the right place and delete the old one | 20:18 |
| cjohnston | Any idea who to "make noise" to? | 20:19 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: this is connected to the whole membership business? is there a general list for that? dholbach or jono, perhaps? | 20:20 |
| cjohnston | ok.. thansk | 20:20 |
| cjohnston | thanks | 20:20 |
| thorwil | this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards | 20:20 |
| thorwil | clearly should offer one option and one only | 20:20 |
| thorwil | cjohnston: in any case, i'll post to our list. maybe we can replace the mess without stepping on someones toes | 20:28 |
| cjohnston | Thanks thorwil.. That would be great! | 20:29 |
| ryanprior | thorwil: can you think of any reason to hand out an svg for printing instead of a pdf? | 20:44 |
| thorwil | ryanprior: now that you say that, to suggest people export to pdf is likely better than telling them to turn text to vectors | 20:45 |
| thorwil | ryanprior: otherwise, a reason could be a print shop that happens to use inkscape ... not likely | 20:46 |
| thorwil | with transparent gradients, PDF export might go wrong, though | 20:47 |
| ryanprior | is that a bug in PDF, or in the export function? | 20:51 |
| darkmatter | it's more a matter of inkscape doing things assbackwards. | 20:55 |
| thorwil | well, svg and pdf do not speak the same language when it comes to transparency and a number of effects | 20:56 |
| === mac_v is now known as \vish | ||
| \vish | argh! the card was done on OSX :/ | 20:58 |
| thorwil | \vish: like most ubuntu design? ^^ | 20:59 |
| darkmatter | thorwil: bah. it about the quality of the software involved. not the languages they speak. for instance. acrobat handles pdf's from inkscap just fine. ocular, evince etc choke and die | 20:59 |
| \vish | lol | 20:59 |
| darkmatter | and there in lies the problem. 90% of GPL software is of low quality ;p | 21:01 |
| \vish | atleast when they packaged it they could have removed the redundant ._* files ;) | 21:02 |
| thorwil | darkmatter: i'm pretty sure there is an issue with expressing transparencies because SVG and PDF have different concepts. and effects like blur have to be realized with bitmaps, i guess | 21:02 |
| darkmatter | \vish: lol. but the __MACOSX file thingy proves they're 1337 and like snakeoil ;D | 21:03 |
| \vish | ;) | 21:04 |
| thorwil | darkmatter: it just hasn't the same grace and impact to it if you talk bad about gpl software. Troy does it better ^^ | 21:04 |
| \vish | thorwil: i guess its the years of practice troy has had ;p ... darkmatter just keep at it :D | 21:05 |
| darkmatter | thorwil: yes. but like I said. 'quality of the software' although there are always 'transliteration issues' it's really not that big of an issue. acrobat for example handles transparencies and embedded bitmaps well enough last time I tried | 21:05 |
| darkmatter | thorwil: its because I'm a real man (unlike troy'. I don't beat around the bush and honey-coat things when simple honesty should suffice ;P | 21:06 |
| thorwil | darkmatter: too bad. i was actually happy to get rid of acrobat, but i guess i should better use it if i ever have a print job | 21:07 |
| thorwil | lol | 21:07 |
| darkmatter | yeah. acrobat is big and nasty (I loath it as well). but its the only craptastic pdf-er-er-er-er I've found that handles the exports from inkscape efficiently | 21:08 |
| thorwil | good night! | 21:11 |
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