[05:54] grrr... I hate gtk more than ever [07:46] hey [07:47] :D [07:48] anybody here? [12:41] http://www.flickr.com/photos/24681250@N07/4208717468/in/set-72157623056086416/ [12:52] thorwil: nice! :D === \vish is now known as mac_v [18:29] Hello Kenneth I have just signed up and now I'm testing x-chat... [18:33] Could you possibly confirm if you are receiving this message please... [18:38] I guess you must be enjoying the holidays anyway seasons greetings will try to contact you again sometime soon. [18:38] hi cb2k. Kenneth goes by the nick kwwii here [18:39] cb2k: and he will see lines with his nick in them highlighted (red) [18:39] Thank you and glad to hear from you. [18:43] cb2k: np. since it sounds like you're new to irc, let me add that this medium allows close-to-synchronous communication, but it is not uncommon that several minutes or even hours pass before a response [18:45] Thanks for the info and yes you assumed correctly first time on Irc, I guess I should just leave it open then... [18:48] cb2k: some of us leave an irc window open all day / as long as the system is on. hardcore users even use remote sessions for 24/7 loging :) [18:50] this is a small and often rather quiet channel, of course [18:50] It seems very useful to have an open communication I've just been going through the registration procedures - remote sessions ? sounds like I have some swatting up to do [18:53] thorwil: I assume you have been involved with the ubuntu-art for sometime then? [18:53] cb2k: you need a server for that (in the sense of an always-on system, at least). usually involves irssi and gnu screen. but one should not worry about things happening while one is not directly present. you need time to read the logs and i wonder who has it? [18:55] Thorwil: got it I guess I can leave it open during my waking hours and catch up relay style via the lists then... [18:55] cb2k: since before hardy at least, i think [18:56] cb2k: a channel like this one shines if you work directly with someone else here on a project [18:57] Nice to hear - I like the the direction it has taken.... ah I saw the flash when you responded. [18:57] cb2k: sometimes also for open discussions and having a little fun [18:58] Thorwil: it's going to take me some getting used to... [18:58] cb2k: but announcements, calls for help/collaboration, refining plans ... are often better off on the mailing list [18:59] cb2k: yes, i recall it did in my case :) [18:59] Thorwil: Understood mailing list. [18:59] * thorwil got dragged into irc from jabber sessions with 2 developers [19:00] Thorwil: will catch up some other time when suitable thanks for your help :) [19:00] cb2k: ok, np, cya :) [19:54] I know everyone is probably busy with the holidays and such, but does anyone have a few minutes to teach me how to edit a .svg file in inkscape? [19:56] cjohnston: if you can be more specific than that / break it down, perhaps [19:57] thorwil: I'm trying to edit the text of the business cards provided by Ubuntu... for members.. but I have no idea how.. It's a .svg file [19:58] what about using Inkscape? [19:58] cjohnston: do you have the file up somewhere? [19:58] thorwil: that you could look at? [19:58] yes [19:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu_card.tar.gz [19:59] heh, the about.rdf is a joke [20:04] cjohnston: the letters of the name are vectors, not editable text [20:04] not clever [20:04] umm.. Ok.. [20:05] So it's not gonna be easy for me to edit them then.. [20:05] well, not necessarily hard either :-) [20:05] vectors are flexible [20:05] anyone got an idea what font that is? [20:07] * cjohnston isnt good with artsy type stuff at all.. We actually need some artwork made for Ubuntu User Days too.. but I guess someone was told to wait until after the new year for that [20:10] cjohnston: if you open the file in inkscape, you only need Object -> Ungroup to make the contents editable [20:11] cjohnston: you could then replace the vector name with a custom one as actual text [20:11] i can't find a matching type quickly and won't invest more time [20:13] Ok.. Thanks for your time [20:14] cjohnston: if you hand out an svg for printing, it is a good idea to convert all text to vectors. but as you not if you pass files on for editing [20:15] cjohnston: maybe you can make some noise about this issue so it might be solved once and for all? [20:16] thorwil: no matter what changes are made, I'd still have to learn how to edit the file... so I don't know that it's really that big of a deal.. I would imagine if it was, others would have complained already [20:18] cjohnston: if it was done right, changing the text would be about as difficult as changing any text in a word processor [20:18] I gotcha.. [20:18] cjohnston: compared to now, where you have to insert new text with the right font in the right place and delete the old one [20:19] Any idea who to "make noise" to? [20:20] cjohnston: this is connected to the whole membership business? is there a general list for that? dholbach or jono, perhaps? [20:20] ok.. thansk [20:20] thanks [20:20] this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards [20:20] clearly should offer one option and one only [20:28] cjohnston: in any case, i'll post to our list. maybe we can replace the mess without stepping on someones toes [20:29] Thanks thorwil.. That would be great! [20:44] thorwil: can you think of any reason to hand out an svg for printing instead of a pdf? [20:45] ryanprior: now that you say that, to suggest people export to pdf is likely better than telling them to turn text to vectors [20:46] ryanprior: otherwise, a reason could be a print shop that happens to use inkscape ... not likely [20:47] with transparent gradients, PDF export might go wrong, though [20:51] is that a bug in PDF, or in the export function? [20:55] it's more a matter of inkscape doing things assbackwards. [20:56] well, svg and pdf do not speak the same language when it comes to transparency and a number of effects === mac_v is now known as \vish [20:58] <\vish> argh! the card was done on OSX :/ [20:59] \vish: like most ubuntu design? ^^ [20:59] thorwil: bah. it about the quality of the software involved. not the languages they speak. for instance. acrobat handles pdf's from inkscap just fine. ocular, evince etc choke and die [20:59] <\vish> lol [21:01] and there in lies the problem. 90% of GPL software is of low quality ;p [21:02] <\vish> atleast when they packaged it they could have removed the redundant ._* files ;) [21:02] darkmatter: i'm pretty sure there is an issue with expressing transparencies because SVG and PDF have different concepts. and effects like blur have to be realized with bitmaps, i guess [21:03] \vish: lol. but the __MACOSX file thingy proves they're 1337 and like snakeoil ;D [21:04] <\vish> ;) [21:04] darkmatter: it just hasn't the same grace and impact to it if you talk bad about gpl software. Troy does it better ^^ [21:05] <\vish> thorwil: i guess its the years of practice troy has had ;p ... darkmatter just keep at it :D [21:05] thorwil: yes. but like I said. 'quality of the software' although there are always 'transliteration issues' it's really not that big of an issue. acrobat for example handles transparencies and embedded bitmaps well enough last time I tried [21:06] thorwil: its because I'm a real man (unlike troy'. I don't beat around the bush and honey-coat things when simple honesty should suffice ;P [21:07] darkmatter: too bad. i was actually happy to get rid of acrobat, but i guess i should better use it if i ever have a print job [21:07] lol [21:08] yeah. acrobat is big and nasty (I loath it as well). but its the only craptastic pdf-er-er-er-er I've found that handles the exports from inkscape efficiently [21:11] good night!