[05:54] <darkmatter> grrr... I hate gtk more than ever
[07:46] <itsbrad212> hey
[07:47] <itsbrad212> :D
[07:48] <itsbrad212> anybody here?
[12:41] <thorwil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24681250@N07/4208717468/in/set-72157623056086416/
[12:52] <raozuzu> thorwil: nice! :D
[18:29] <cb2k> Hello Kenneth I have just signed up and now I'm testing x-chat...
[18:33] <cb2k> Could you possibly confirm if you are receiving this message please...
[18:38] <cb2k> I guess you must be enjoying the holidays anyway seasons greetings will try to contact you again sometime soon.
[18:38] <thorwil> hi cb2k. Kenneth goes by the nick kwwii here
[18:39] <thorwil> cb2k: and he will see lines with his nick in them highlighted (red)
[18:39] <cb2k> Thank you and glad to hear from you.
[18:43] <thorwil> cb2k: np. since it sounds like you're new to irc, let me add that this medium allows close-to-synchronous communication, but it is not uncommon that several minutes or even hours pass before a response
[18:45] <cb2k> Thanks for the info and yes you assumed correctly first time on Irc, I guess I should just leave it open then...
[18:48] <thorwil> cb2k: some of us leave an irc window open all day / as long as the system is on. hardcore users even use remote sessions for 24/7 loging :)
[18:50] <thorwil> this is a small and often rather quiet channel, of course
[18:50] <cb2k> It seems very useful to have an open communication I've just been going through the registration procedures - remote sessions ? sounds like I have some swatting up to do
[18:53] <cb2k> thorwil: I assume you have been involved with the ubuntu-art for sometime then?
[18:53] <thorwil> cb2k: you need a server for that (in the sense of an always-on system, at least). usually involves irssi and gnu screen. but one should not worry about things happening while one is not directly present. you need time to read the logs and i wonder who has it?
[18:55] <cb2k> Thorwil: got it I guess I can leave it open during my waking hours and catch up relay style via the lists then...
[18:55] <thorwil> cb2k: since before hardy at least, i think
[18:56] <thorwil> cb2k: a channel like this one shines if you work directly with someone else here on a project
[18:57] <cb2k> Nice to  hear - I like the the direction it has taken....  ah I saw the flash when you responded.
[18:57] <thorwil> cb2k: sometimes also for open discussions and having a little fun
[18:58] <cb2k> Thorwil: it's going to take me some getting used to...
[18:58] <thorwil> cb2k: but announcements, calls for help/collaboration, refining plans ... are often better off on the mailing list
[18:59] <thorwil> cb2k: yes, i recall it did in my case :)
[18:59] <cb2k> Thorwil: Understood mailing list.
[18:59]  * thorwil got dragged into irc from jabber sessions with 2 developers
[19:00] <cb2k> Thorwil: will catch up some other time when suitable thanks for your help :)
[19:00] <thorwil> cb2k: ok, np, cya :)
[19:54] <cjohnston> I know everyone is probably busy with the holidays and such, but does anyone have a few minutes to teach me how to edit a .svg file in inkscape?
[19:56] <thorwil> cjohnston: if you can be more specific than that / break it down, perhaps
[19:57] <cjohnston> thorwil: I'm trying to edit the text of the business cards provided by Ubuntu... for members.. but I have no idea how.. It's a .svg file
[19:58] <raozuzu> what about using Inkscape?
[19:58] <thorwil> cjohnston: do you have the file up somewhere?
[19:58] <cjohnston> thorwil: that you could look at?
[19:58] <thorwil> yes
[19:58] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu_card.tar.gz
[19:59] <thorwil> heh, the about.rdf is a joke
[20:04] <thorwil> cjohnston: the letters of the name are vectors, not editable text
[20:04] <thorwil> not clever
[20:04] <cjohnston> umm.. Ok..
[20:05] <cjohnston> So it's not gonna be easy for me to edit them then..
[20:05] <ryanprior> well, not necessarily hard either :-)
[20:05] <ryanprior> vectors are flexible
[20:05] <thorwil> anyone got an idea what font that is?
[20:07]  * cjohnston isnt good with artsy type stuff at all.. We actually need some artwork made for Ubuntu User Days too.. but I guess someone was told to wait until after the new year for that
[20:10] <thorwil> cjohnston: if you open the file in inkscape, you only need Object -> Ungroup to make the contents editable
[20:11] <thorwil> cjohnston: you could then replace the vector name with a custom one as actual text
[20:11] <thorwil> i can't find a matching type quickly and won't invest more time
[20:13] <cjohnston> Ok.. Thanks for your time
[20:14] <thorwil> cjohnston: if you hand out an svg for printing, it is a good idea to convert all text to vectors. but as you not if you pass files on for editing
[20:15] <thorwil> cjohnston: maybe you can make some noise about this issue so it might be solved once and for all?
[20:16] <cjohnston> thorwil: no matter what changes are made, I'd still have to learn how to edit the file... so I don't know that it's really that big of a deal.. I would imagine if it was, others would have complained already
[20:18] <thorwil> cjohnston: if it was done right, changing the text would be about as difficult as changing any text in a word processor
[20:18] <cjohnston> I gotcha..
[20:18] <thorwil> cjohnston: compared to now, where you have to insert new text with the right font in the right place and delete the old one
[20:19] <cjohnston> Any idea who to "make noise" to?
[20:20] <thorwil> cjohnston: this is connected to the whole membership business? is there a general list for that? dholbach or jono, perhaps?
[20:20] <cjohnston> ok.. thansk
[20:20] <cjohnston> thanks
[20:20] <thorwil> this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards
[20:20] <thorwil> clearly should offer one option and one only
[20:28] <thorwil> cjohnston: in any case, i'll post to our list. maybe we can replace the mess without stepping on someones toes
[20:29] <cjohnston> Thanks thorwil.. That would be great!
[20:44] <ryanprior> thorwil: can you think of any reason to hand out an svg for printing instead of a pdf?
[20:45] <thorwil> ryanprior: now that you say that, to suggest people export to pdf is likely better than telling them to turn text to vectors
[20:46] <thorwil> ryanprior: otherwise, a reason could be a print shop that happens to use inkscape ... not likely
[20:47] <thorwil> with transparent gradients, PDF export might go wrong, though
[20:51] <ryanprior> is that a bug in PDF, or in the export function?
[20:55] <darkmatter> it's more a matter of inkscape doing things assbackwards.
[20:56] <thorwil> well, svg and pdf do not speak the same language when it comes to transparency and a number of effects
[20:58] <\vish> argh! the card was done on OSX :/
[20:59] <thorwil> \vish: like most ubuntu design? ^^
[20:59] <darkmatter> thorwil: bah. it about the quality of the software involved. not the languages they speak. for instance. acrobat handles pdf's from inkscap just fine. ocular, evince etc choke and die
[20:59] <\vish> lol
[21:01] <darkmatter> and there in lies the problem. 90% of GPL software is of low quality ;p
[21:02] <\vish> atleast when they packaged it they could have removed the redundant ._* files ;)
[21:02] <thorwil> darkmatter: i'm pretty sure there is an issue with expressing transparencies because SVG and PDF have different concepts. and effects like blur have to be realized with bitmaps, i guess
[21:03] <darkmatter> \vish: lol. but the __MACOSX file thingy proves they're 1337 and like snakeoil ;D
[21:04] <\vish> ;)
[21:04] <thorwil> darkmatter: it just hasn't the same grace and impact to it if you talk bad about gpl software. Troy does it better ^^
[21:05] <\vish> thorwil: i guess its the years of practice troy has had ;p ... darkmatter just keep at it :D
[21:05] <darkmatter> thorwil: yes. but like I said. 'quality of the software' although there are always  'transliteration issues' it's really not that big of an issue. acrobat for example handles transparencies and embedded bitmaps well enough last time I tried
[21:06] <darkmatter> thorwil: its because I'm a real man (unlike troy'. I don't beat around the bush and honey-coat things when simple honesty should suffice ;P
[21:07] <thorwil> darkmatter: too bad. i was actually happy to get rid of acrobat, but i guess i should better use it if i ever have a print job
[21:07] <thorwil> lol
[21:08] <darkmatter> yeah. acrobat is big and nasty (I loath it as well). but its the only craptastic pdf-er-er-er-er I've found that handles the exports from inkscape efficiently
[21:11] <thorwil> good night!