[00:00] <Quintasan> I realised this after seeing messing with udev
[00:02] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: how do i edit this stuff with kauth now?
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> KAuth should pop up a policykit dialog any time the app needs to do something root-y
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> that way you don't have to run the app as root (or add users to permission groups root normally has)
[00:06] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: that i know, but HOW do i configure policykit to use this with recorditnow?
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> should do it automatically, I guess
[00:06] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: for what i read and seen, you need proper rules
[00:12] <shtylman> amichair: install kubuntu option should not present the user with a desktop
[00:12] <shtylman> it should launch the installer right away
[00:12] <shtylman> I will take a peak... it might be a regression with some part of the installer system
[00:13] <amichair> shtylman: ok, thanks :-)
[00:24] <amichair> in the daily desktop livecd, I get crashes when shutting down (knetworkmanager it seems - disappears shortly afterwards as the shutdown proceeds). Is this a known issue?
[00:55] <nixternal> I take it our network manager still doesn't work with hidde essid's?
[00:56] <crimsun> it did last I tried
[00:56] <crimsun> meaning: in lucid, it worked about 40 minutes ago
[00:57] <crimsun> don't take my experience as gospel (:
[00:57] <nixternal> it isn't doing a damn thing for me...I click on the icon, set upthe network as it should be, and nothing happens
[01:02] <nixternal> maybe hidden essid's and wpa2-psk
[01:03] <DaSkrEEcH> or just wpa2-psk
[01:04] <nixternal> whatever it is, it sucks ass...i had to switch over to a bit more secure home network, as everyone and the neighbor has been enjoying our wifi today...I was wondering why it was so saturated....7 iPod touches were connected to itunes and such, and 8 PCs, and 2 Macs
[01:04] <nixternal> those not being any of the 15 machines in the house
[01:05] <DaSkrEEcH> nixternal: mac auth
[01:09] <_Groo_> neversfelde: did you check the latest qt-recordmydesktop?
[01:10] <_Groo_> neversfelde: that ive uploaded to revu?
[01:17] <nixternal> bug 468471 says it doesn't work, fortunately there is a workaround
[01:17] <nixternal> I found a workaround, too: Installing Fedora 12! :-)
[01:17] <nixternal> For me it's as easy as ubuntu, but network manager works!
[01:17] <nixternal> that is quoted from the bug :p
[01:18] <DaSkrEEcH> good work around
[01:18] <DaSkrEEcH> We'll be rady to welcome them back with open arms :)
[01:38]  * nixternal kicks that plasma network mangler shit in the ass big time
[01:38]  * nixternal installs nm-applet
[01:38] <nixternal> gnome ftw :(
[01:39] <DaSkrEEcH> For the wireless?
[01:40] <nixternal> yup
Here is an idea, lets ship stuff for Lucid that don't work like in Karmic as well.</annoyed>
 welcome to my life. </sigh>
[01:44] <nixternal> interesting
[01:44] <nixternal> so I connected with nm-applet right...boom it works
[01:44] <nixternal> I close nm-applet and fire up knetworkmanager to do the tests per opensuse
[01:44] <nixternal> shit, knetworkmangler worked
[01:44]  * nixternal reboots as he doesn't believe it
[01:47] <nixternal> whoa, now it just works
[01:48] <crimsun> srsly, ain't knm (;
[01:48] <nixternal> qdbusfornm reports the same now
[01:49] <nixternal> wonder if it was a booged wpa_supplicant config
[01:50] <ScottK> Clearly PEBKAC then.
[01:51] <ScottK> ;-)
[01:51] <nixternal> no, my lucid box does not work at all
[01:52] <nixternal> I bet if I install nm-applet, it will work just like it did in karmic
[01:52] <nixternal> testing a live cd as well and it doesn't work
[02:22] <nixternal> hrmm, for both lucid and karmic, fire up nm-applet, connect to the hidden essid, kill nm-applet, start knetworkmanager...and it works
[02:22] <nixternal> when knetworkmanager creates a connection, it tells me it is "Insecure"
[02:22] <nixternal> but when I create it in nm-applet, then come back to knetworkmanger, it has the correct information
[02:23] <nixternal> though...in Lucid...neither nm-applet or knetworkmanager will connect it seems
[02:37] <DaSkrEEcH> nixternal: Someone was having the same connection problems with bluetooth
[02:37] <DaSkrEEcH> Gnome wouldn't connect to Bluetooth
[02:37] <DaSkrEEcH> They opened kbluetooth and connected and after that Gnome can cnonnect fine
[02:38] <nixternal> might help if I restart maybe
[02:38] <nixternal> the restart notification didn't come up in lucid
[02:38]  * nixternal bets it works now
[03:42] <_Groo_> neversfelde: hey neversfelde
[03:42] <_Groo_> newbie: the recordit package is kinda broken, not per se, but the app is missing stuff..
[03:44] <_Groo_> neversfelde:  the recordit package is kinda broken, not per se, but the app is missing stuff..
[03:44] <_Groo_> neversfelde: pls take a look at my ppa, im gonna upload a 0.8 git of recorditnow there
[05:04] <shtylman> so my laptop sleep key is sending the XF86Sleep keycode (in xev)
[05:04] <shtylman> and I see the hal event to sleep
[05:04] <shtylman> but the laptop does not sleep
[05:04] <shtylman> thoughts?
[05:19] <ScottK> I think it's a bug.
[05:25] <shtylman> goodie
[05:26] <ScottK> Sorry, best I've got.
[05:26] <crimsun> what does Kubuntu use for PM?
[05:26] <crimsun> i.e., what's over top of devkit-power?
[05:27] <maco> powerdevil
[05:27] <maco> used to be guidance
[05:27] <shtylman> I like powerdevil
[05:27] <shtylman> it has good features for various power levels and whatnot
[05:27]  * maco read crimsun's first question as "what does Kubuntu user for private messaging?"
[05:27] <maco> s/user/use/
[05:28] <crimsun> what's its source package?
[05:29] <crimsun> at least it doesn't seem to rdep devkit-power, which I suppose isn't all that surprising
[05:32] <crimsun> kdebase? mmkay.
[05:32] <ScottK> crimsun: Part of kdebase-workspace
[05:34] <crimsun> shtylman: does pm-suspend or pm-hibernate succeed?
[09:23] <emonkey> Is it known that after the update to the 4.4 packages, there are massive performance problems, or is that just my laptop?
[09:24] <emonkey> for example, konversation eats 100% of one of my two cores
[09:27] <emonkey-t> quassel seems to work normal
[09:28] <Mamarok> emonkey-t: works fine here
[09:28] <Mamarok> but Qt 4.6 has a lot of bugs causing havoc
[09:29] <emonkey-t> except the fact that I don't see any conversation in quassel ... ?
[09:30] <Mamarok> ask the Quassel guys?
[09:31]  * Mamarok uses Konversation now
[09:31] <Mamarok> never liked Quassel anyway
[12:35] <jepong> hello... is there a fix/patch for the MSI WInd U100 brightness bug?
[13:56] <Quintasan> so, hi
[14:33] <shtylman> crimsun: pm-suspend does work
[14:34] <shtylman> but only as root (I imagine this is normal)
[14:34] <shtylman> on an unrelated note... sound does not stay muted for me
[14:44] <shtylman> more specifically I keep getting low humming/static out of my laptop speakers even when I mute...
[14:44] <shtylman> but as soon as I mute it goes away
[14:44] <shtylman> and comes back a few seconds later...like it doesn't stay muted :/
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, so that's the sleep button :x
[16:13] <shtylman> haha
[16:34] <ScottK> nixternal: I got a second build failure I could use that powerpc box to look into ..
[17:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: nice troll on #ubuntu-motu :D
[17:03] <ScottK> Yeah.
[17:10] <Quintasan> ScottK: you know bash?
[17:10] <Quintasan> +Do*
[18:22] <Quintasan> laziness++
[18:22]  * Quintasan wrote an automated tarball+bzr branch downloader for ninja
[18:37] <Lex79> Quintasan: can you ack this? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/colibri
[18:37] <Lex79> thanks
[18:42] <Quintasan> Lex79: huh, I can only comment @_@
[18:43] <Lex79> :(
[18:43] <Quintasan> I wonder how do I apply for this
[18:43] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^^
[18:44] <Quintasan> oh I need to poke on IRC
[18:55] <Quintasan> Lex79:
[18:55] <Quintasan> dpkg: błąd przetwarzania colibri_0.1.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install):
[18:55] <Quintasan>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service', which is also in
[18:55] <Quintasan> oh wait, nvm
[19:06]  * jussi01 wonders if any of the KC are around? hrm, who was on it exactly, Nightrose, Riddell, JontheEchidna ?
[19:06] <Nightrose> wasup jussi01?
[19:07] <jussi01> Nightrose: got a sec for pm?
[19:07] <Nightrose> sure
[19:23] <neversfelde> do we remove kvkbd from the cd?
[19:23] <neversfelde> as far as I can see KDE SC 4.4 has a widget for a desktop keyboard
[19:25] <ScottK> If it's redundant, we probably should
[19:26] <smarter> unless plasma board has had some recent updates, the keyboard layout is hardcoded to qwerty
[19:26] <smarter> so, I wouldn't remove kvkbd yet
[19:28] <neversfelde> smarter: is the integrated board http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Plasmaboard?content=101822
[19:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Looks like you get to do a MIR for libdvdread
[19:28] <neversfelde> I read about integrating this widget into KDE SC some time ago
[19:29] <smarter> should be that one yeah
[19:29]  * smarter still finds "KDE SC" a bit silly :p
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> bleh
[19:30] <neversfelde> so we should at least remove plasma-widget-plasmaboard
[19:30] <neversfelde> Riddell: can you do it?
[19:31] <smarter> and kdeplasma-addons should conflicts/replace it?
[19:32] <neversfelde> yes
[19:32] <smarter> what happens if kdeplasma-addons isn't installed but plasma-widget-plasmaboard is during upgrade?
[19:33] <neversfelde> I guess the plasma-widget will stay
[19:34] <neversfelde> ScottK: how can we solve this situation?
[19:34] <smarter> dummy package which depends on kdeplasma-addons?
[19:35] <smarter> or rather, plasma-widgets-addons
[19:35] <ScottK> It needs a transitional dummy package.
[19:35] <neversfelde> smarter: it would probably pull in some unwanted packages, but I do not know
[19:36] <ScottK> kdeplasma-addons should provide this packages and it should depend on the binary where it lives now.
[19:36] <neversfelde> ok, I will have a look at it
[19:36] <smarter> neversfelde: well, it'd pull in all the other widgets in kdeplasma-addons, but the only way to prevent this would be to split them in different binary packages
[19:36] <ScottK> neversfelde: I think it's unavoidable to pull in some extras.  We aren't going to be able to provide a separate binary for every widget that gets added.
[19:37] <smarter> yup :]
[19:37] <smarter> anyway, we should probably ask the debian-qt-kde guys what they plan to do
[19:38] <neversfelde> where can I ask them? Any list or is there an irc channel?
[19:39] <ScottK> neversfelde: #debian-qt-kde on OFTC.
[19:39] <Riddell> neversfelde: do which?
[19:40] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a moment for archive stuff, I'd appreciate it if you would release avidemux from binary New.
[19:40] <neversfelde> Riddell: removing plasma-widget-plasmaboard, but I think we should have a solution for it first. So sorry for the ping :)
[19:43] <Riddell> avidemux accepted
[19:46] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: are you working on new upstream releases for polkit-qt, polkit-qt-1 and polkit-kde-1 ?
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> I actually need polkit-qt-1 sponsored
[19:47] <Riddell> I can do that
[19:47] <Riddell> where is it?
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> sec
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> hrm, my ftp bookmark is on my old computer
[19:49] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: you did only polkit-qt-1 ? I did polkit-qt and I'm doing polkit-kde but seems kde4libs needs rebuilds against polkit-qt-1t
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: I'm doing polkit-qt-1 and polkit-kde-1 at the moment
[19:50] <Lex79> ok polkit-qt is here https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> grr, ftp's not gonna work today
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'll throw it up at my ppa
[19:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[20:11] <Quintasan> \o
[20:11] <ulysses__> o/
[20:11] <Quintasan> Was Groo here?
[20:17] <Lex79> JontheEchidna, Riddell: I uploaded polkit-kde-1 and polkit-qt here https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages
[20:18] <Lex79> and kde4libs because polkit-kde needs kde4libs built against new polkit-qt-1
[20:18] <Lex79> see also in bzr for kde4libs
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> polkit-qt-1 in my ppa
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> oh, got rejected :(
[20:23]  * Quintasan hands out cookies to JontheEchidna and Lex79
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: just use Lex's polkit-qt-1 I suppose
[20:23] <Riddell> ok
[20:24]  * JontheEchidna makes note to self to not try packaging while sick again
[20:24] <Quintasan> it ends as a total disaster in my case :P
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> I forgot to copy over the new .install files from the pbuilder chroot
[20:25] <Quintasan> argh those damned Tenhou players, they should go hell
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: btw, a Lost fan then? :D
[20:26] <Quintasan> s/Tenhou/mahjong
[20:26] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, lol
[20:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: polkit-kde failed?
[20:27] <Riddell> wrong person
[20:27] <Riddell> Lex79: polkit-kde failed?
[20:27] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yeah :)
[20:27] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: they just ron me for 8k points every time T_T
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> last season next year :(
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> but it ought to be good :)
[20:27] <Lex79> Riddell: needs kde4libs built with new polkit-qt-1
[20:27] <Quintasan> should be impossible to score +-0 each round but they somehow manage to do it @_@
[20:28] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, I am playing 4 of a kind, and that game is hard :D
[20:28] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yeah on February \o/
[20:28] <Riddell> Lex79: so kde4libs needs uploading before polkit-kde?
[20:28] <Lex79> Riddell: yes
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> on that note, The End of Time part one was most excellent
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> might be one of my favorite Doctor Whos
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> but I guess I'll have to wait for part two to make that judgement
[20:30] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: hmm, you probably mean that mahjong where you have to collect pairs?
[20:30] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, well that's a different game, i was talking about another game called 4 in a row
[20:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I got the impression there was a load of backstory that you'd need to watch 40 years of doctor who to get
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> mm, 4 years maybe
[20:31] <maco> i think the new series should be enough to cover it
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the Last Great Time War and the season 3 finale are really the only pre-requisites
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> well, knowledge of the time war's existence anyways, which was alluded to throughout the new series
[20:33] <Lex79> Lost rulez !!!
[20:33] <Lex79> "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" :D
[20:33] <maco> haha would be funny if Romana came back!
[20:33] <maco> well Romana II
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> this could be their way to give the new writers access to gallifrey, etc
[20:34] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: play the "real" mahjong, you will see what is hard :DD http://japanese-mahjong.com/riichi-mahjong.html
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> sorta reset things a bit to give them more room to work with
[20:34] <maco> hang on...has anyone in here who is interested in Doctor Who *not* seen the End of Time pt 1?
[20:34] <maco> because we're spoilering all over
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> oops
[20:35] <claydoh> somehow they need to add more Jack harness in Dr Who
[20:35] <maco> claydoh: oh yes plz
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> we need a chanel for doctor who spoiler discussion :x
[20:35] <claydoh> the last Torchwood 'series" was wayyy too short
[20:35] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, thanks a lot, have you played Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2
[20:35] <maco> i told Riddell, Doctor Who's got two hot Scotsman. he was confused..thought i meant Sylvester McCoy cuz he didnt know Barrowman was Scottish
[20:36] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: unfortunately yes, lol @ no dedicated servers
[20:36] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, that game it AWESOME, although can't play it on linux
[20:36] <claydoh> barrowman's not  yank?
[20:36] <maco> no
[20:36] <maco> scottish born
[20:37] <maco> taught himself to speak american so the kids in school would stop picking on his funny accent
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> he does it quite well, I must say
[20:37] <Riddell> and then had a career on English telly
[20:37] <Quintasan> oh man, I didn't bought it just because you can't rent a dedicated server and all servers are actually hosted by players hence >300ms ping :P
[20:37]  * Quintasan is not watching Dr Who
[20:37] <Quintasan> is this not normal?
[20:37] <maco> no, its not
[20:37] <maco> its a fun show.
[20:38] <dhillon-v10> maco, lol
[20:38] <Quintasan> hmm means I should *cough*buy*cough* few eps
[20:38] <claydoh> i thought he at least lived in the us for a bit, but no matter
[20:38] <Riddell> he did
[20:38]  * maco got http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/womens/bdda/ for xmas
[20:38] <Quintasan> Lex79: \o
[20:39] <maco> claydoh: yes he did...hence being teased for his accent :P
[20:39] <Lex79> Quintasan: \o
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> Tennant is a Scottish person doing an english accent for The Doctor, iirc
[20:39] <maco> yep
[20:40] <Riddell> which is why McCoy is the best Doctor, he maintained his accent
[20:40] <Quintasan> Lex79: lol meant for Lure 8D
[20:40] <maco> proof of tennant's scottishness: http://www.dressaday.com/DavidTennant3.jpg
[20:40] <Quintasan> Lure: \o
[20:40] <Lex79> lol
[20:40] <Lex79> Quintasan: news for acking colibri on revu?
[20:42] <Quintasan> Lex79: poking persia or nixternal with a stick to put me as a Reviewer on revu
[20:42] <Lex79> ok
[20:42] <Quintasan> Lex79: looks fine anyways :)
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> not the pointy stick of doom!111
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> only Hobbsee has that ;-)
[20:43] <Lex79> Quintasan: :)
[20:43] <maco> haha
[20:44] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, hey is becomming a MOTU the same as becomming a kubuntu ninja
[20:45]  * Quintasan got only Mighty Stick of Waking the apachelogger
[20:45] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: nah
[20:45] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, so what's the difference
[20:45] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: ninjas only create packages for KDE whilst MOTU has upload rights to Universe
[20:45] <Quintasan> that's just basic difference
[20:46] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, ahh, so its like the next level
[20:46] <maco> and kubuntu-dev can upload the stuff that goes on the kubuntu cd
[20:46] <Quintasan> still apachelogger can order me around since he's kubuntu-dev, but just wait ;>
[20:47] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, since you are pretty good at this, I am making a ppa, there is nothing really that needs to be compiled and the .orig file is 43 mgs. but the .deb files from launchpad are only 2.4 kbs why??
[20:48] <Quintasan> @_@
[20:48] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: what's that package?
[20:48] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: you probably have to use *.install rules to copy the files
[20:49] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, its a project over at Sun Microsystems, its called starfish, I am just putting together some netbeans extensions so that people at my internship can use it since they all use ubuntu
[20:49]  * Quintasan would use create install files
[20:50] <Quintasan> -create
[20:50] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, here, have a look: https://launchpad.net/~dhillon-v10/+archive/starfish/+packages
[20:50] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, how do i use create install files, I just used dh_make
[20:53] <Quintasan> huh? dh_make is for compiling and since that package does not compiling so how come you expect any output files from it? :D
[20:53] <Quintasan> let me try doing this
[20:56] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, I have to go eat something, can we talk after like 10 mins. sorry :D
[21:06] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: you are doing it wrong, how come your source tar.gz contains no main directory?
[21:09] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: first thing, you need to repack the source, second thing is that ALL files created by YOU related to packaging go to debian/ directory NOT to the source, the README file there is not acceptable
[21:10] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, wait, you are confusing me now :D
[21:11] <Quintasan> what's confusing there? did you even went through Packaging from scratch on Wiki?
[21:12] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, yah, I have packaged a lot before but this one is confusing because its not coming out like it should have
[21:12] <Quintasan> first of all where did you get the source?
[21:13] <dhillon-v10> the starfish project website, it was 6 seprate downloads from different place there, that's why I wanted to make a package so people can get them from a single source
[21:14] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, let me give you the link, just a sec.
[21:15] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, here: http://stage.opensolaris.org/os/project/starfish/
[21:15] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, and here's my directory structure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/347784/
[21:16] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: you'd better go to #ubuntu-motu, you can't create a source tar ball by combining many upstream tgz's I don't know how to create a multipe tar.gz packages
[21:16] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, alright thanks a lot for your help here :D it was nice talking to you
[21:17] <Quintasan> and don't you need only NetBeans module packaged?
[21:17] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, true but that was just some other help files that makes people's life easy so I though might as well include them in
[21:18] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: dunno who maintains NetBeans but you could ask them how to do it
[21:18] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, alright will do thanks again
[21:19] <Quintasan> Yulia Novozhilova <Yulia.Novozhilova@sun.com>
[21:41] <nixternal> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/8-of-the-best-kde-distributions-657523  -- Kubuntu gets a positive review and good marks :)
[21:52] <shtylman> do we have a full copy of kdebase workspace in launchpad somwhere?
[22:09] <ScottK> shtylman: You mean in a VCS?
[22:10] <ScottK> lp:ubuntu/kdebase-workspace, I think.
[23:32] <Quintasan> Lex79: colibri ack, I find this strage, can't you do self-ack? :PP
[23:39] <ScottK> Quintasan: Normally new packages require two advocations, so a MOTU can be one of them.  MOTU are encouraged, but not required to get their packages reviewed (it's OK to just upload if you want)
[23:40] <crimsun> my, the slippery slope (;
[23:40] <crimsun> we used to *have* to have 2 advocates
[23:41] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh well. Now that you mention it it's really better to ask someone else to checkup on your work
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> As a personal practice, I have at least one person look over my new packages.
[23:47] <Quintasan> Hmm I was just wondering if we have an "emergency" contact system, like Riddell is not here and we badly need his guidance or something like this
[23:47] <Quintasan> changed Riddell to anyone else :P
[23:48] <Quintasan> oh man s/changed/change
[23:56] <pgquiles> am I seeing visions or Qt4 4:4.6.0-1ubuntu3 broke ABI with previous versions due to the inclusion of sandsmark's Phonon update?