[00:00] <BUGabundo> $ cat  /proc/asound/card*/codec*  | pastebinit
[00:00] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f65476bb1
[00:00] <crimsun> thanks
[00:00] <BUGabundo> Making
[00:01] <BUGabundo> there goes Saturday
[00:01] <BUGabundo> (12:00:28 AM) Day changed to 27 Dec 2009
[00:02] <BUGabundo> crimsun: /sbin/depmod -a 2.6.32-9-generic
[00:02] <crimsun> BUGabundo: ok, do you have powerdown active right now?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> what's powerdown?
[00:02] <crimsun> grep hda-intel /etc/modprobe.d/*
[00:03] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f5694ff47
[00:03] <crimsun> eww
[00:03] <crimsun> you should rm /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf~
[00:04] <BUGabundo> done
[00:04] <crimsun> please erase the " power_save_controller=N"
[00:05] <BUGabundo> done
[00:05] <BUGabundo> and ~ removed
[00:05] <crimsun> can you check again about the backup file?
[00:06] <crimsun> i.e., make sure there isn't one
[00:08] <BUGabundo> $ ls /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf* | pastebinit
[00:08] <BUGabundo> http://pastebin.com/f719adf9
[00:08] <BUGabundo> (12:05:08 AM) freenode: and ~ removed
[00:09] <crimsun> ok, now I need you to verify that there's an audible pop when the controller powers down after 10 idle seconds
[00:13] <BUGabundo> crimsun: no sound for at least a minute
[00:13] <BUGabundo> and now I just got a pong
[00:13] <BUGabundo> no POP
[00:13] <BUGabundo> some glichts in some of them
[00:13] <BUGabundo> but nothing out of usual
[00:13] <BUGabundo> no POP
[00:13] <crimsun> ok, that's the power_save_controller
[00:14] <crimsun> now, you should reboot
[00:17] <BUGabundo> well since you ask so nicelly
[00:17] <BUGabundo> BBR rebooting
[00:21] <BUGabundo> crimsun: back
[00:21] <BUGabundo> sound working
[00:21] <BUGabundo> YAY
[00:21] <crimsun> well, I'm not so concerned about sound working
[00:21] <crimsun> I want to know if you can hear a 'pop' when the controller powers down after 10 seconds
[00:21] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:21] <BUGabundo> well, I am
[00:22] <BUGabundo> let me see if I can go soundless for that long
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ping me in 10
[00:22] <crimsun> (I think you can ping yourself ;)
[00:22] <BUGabundo> BUGabundo: ping
[00:22] <BUGabundo> no pop
[00:22] <crimsun> and sound still works, correct
[00:22] <crimsun> ?
[00:22] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:22] <BUGabundo> I think so
[00:23] <crimsun> please verify that sound still works :)
[00:23] <BUGabundo> ping me :) I can't ping myseft
[00:23] <BUGabundo> wait, it works
[00:23] <BUGabundo> just got a pong
[00:23] <crimsun> ok, does suspend/resume work on your machine?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> not resume from hibernation
[00:23] <BUGabundo> it always does clean boot :((
[00:24] <BUGabundo> from the last two weeks
[00:24] <crimsun> but resume from suspend-to-RAM does, correct?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: not that king
[00:24] <BUGabundo> *kind
[00:24] <BUGabundo> crimsun: I'll have to test
[00:24] <BUGabundo> worked last weekend
[00:24] <BUGabundo> don't use it that much
[00:24] <crimsun> please suspend-to-RAM, then resume and verify that sound is still audible
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[00:24] <BUGabundo> that
[00:25] <BUGabundo> sound usualy is mutted after that
[00:25] <BUGabundo> and network fails to start
[00:25] <BUGabundo> but ill test again
[00:26] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, then what kind , don't see your ip ?
[00:27] <BUGabundo> sound works after resume
[00:27] <crimsun> BUGabundo: please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[00:27] <chu_> Morning all.
[00:27] <crimsun> BUGabundo: and, thanks for testing!
[00:28] <BUGabundo> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/f324f1bc4
[00:28] <BUGabundo> always glad to make Ubuntu Better
[00:28] <crimsun> ah, , great.
[00:28] <crimsun> 0x10ec0883
[00:28] <crimsun> those are the nasty ones
[00:28] <BUGabundo> crimsun: you wouldn't be running +1 for 4 years if I didn't like testing stuff
[00:29] <crimsun> BUGabundo: eh?
[00:29] <crimsun> I've been breaking things for a living since I was 16
[00:29] <BUGabundo> s/you/I/
[00:29] <crimsun> ah
[00:30] <bjsnider> crimsun, are you a demolition expert?
[00:30] <BUGabundo> I also beta test, LP, OOo, pidgin, android, NM, FF, chromium, a several other floss related services/apps
[00:30] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LOLOL
[00:30] <crimsun> bjsnider: heh
[00:30] <BUGabundo> breaking *in*
[00:35] <crimsun> BUGabundo: regardless, thanks for testing. I don't have enough Best Buys locally to verify all my fixes.
[00:36] <bjsnider> i need libmozjs-dev as a build-dep, but that file wants to pull out the entire desktop
[00:37] <bjsnider> i could use seamonkey-dev, but i think that would result in the binaries uselessly pulling in seamonkey
[00:38] <crimsun> $ aptitude why-not libmozjs-dev
[00:38] <crimsun> i   firefox         Depends   firefox-3.5
[00:38] <crimsun> i A firefox-3.5     Depends   xulrunner-1.9.1 (>= 1.9.1)
[00:38] <crimsun> i A xulrunner-1.9.1 Conflicts libmozjs-dev
[00:38] <bjsnider> i need xulrunner
[00:38] <bjsnider> but so does everything else
[00:39] <crimsun> do you actually *need* libmozjs-dev?
[00:39] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: have you tried #ubuntu-mozillateam ?
[00:39] <bjsnider> it contains a magical header
[00:39] <crimsun> which magical header?
[00:39] <bjsnider> it contains the header for spidermonkey
[00:40] <bjsnider> jsapi.h
[00:40] <BUGabundo> get it from LP ?
[00:40] <bjsnider> what i can't understand is how sebastian got the previous version to compile without that header
[00:40] <bjsnider> i mean it isn't here in the build-dep list
[00:40] <bjsnider> but the build log clearly demands it
[00:41] <crimsun> apt-file search jsapi.h|grep -v ^libmoz
[00:41] <crimsun> kompozer-dev: /usr/include/kompozer/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> seamonkey-dev: /usr/include/seamonkey/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> sunbird-dev: /usr/include/sunbird/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> thunderbird-dev: /usr/include/thunderbird/js/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> xulrunner-1.9.1-dev: /usr/include/xulrunner-1.9.1.6/unstable/jsapi.h
[00:41] <crimsun> so, why not use xulrunner-1.9.1-dev ?
[00:42] <bjsnider> that package is in the list
[00:42] <crimsun> in what list?
[00:42] <crimsun> the build-dependency alternates?
[00:44] <bjsnider> that package in karmic contains the header, but what about lucid?
[00:51] <bjsnider> the file is unquestionably there, but not being found
[00:51] <crimsun> I'm running lucid, and I refreshed apt-file before I did the search
[00:52] <crimsun> $ dpkg-deb -c xulrunner-1.9.1-dev_1.9.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb |grep jsapi
[00:52] <crimsun> -rw-r--r-- root/root    103631 2009-12-15 09:35 ./usr/include/xulrunner-1.9.1.6/unstable/jsapi.h
[00:53] <crimsun> make sure you're using the correct preprocessor path
[00:54] <bjsnider> where is that set?
[00:54] <crimsun> in the source code
[00:55] <crimsun> [of whatever you're trying to compile]
[00:55] <crimsun> actually
[00:55] <crimsun> the proper way is to use the pkg-config file
[00:56] <bjsnider> i had to run the autogen script before i could get to this point, but i doubt anything went wrong
[00:58] <bjsnider> what's probably happened is i didn't prepare this code properly
[00:58] <bjsnider> it was just a bunch of raw git stuff
[00:59] <bjsnider> it wasn't a tarball with all required files or anything
[01:02] <Ng> is it just me or is pylint uninstallable in lucid atm?
[01:03] <crimsun> it isn't you
[01:03] <Ng> ok :)
[01:03] <crimsun> interesting, you just helped me uncover an apt-get bug
[01:04] <Ng> well that's something I suppose :)
[01:04] <BUGabundo> Ng: not you, bjsnider
[01:04] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:04] <crimsun> The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-logilab-astng: Depends: python-logilab-common (>= 0.45.0) but it is not going to be installed
[01:04] <BUGabundo> or then again
[01:06] <Ng> crimsun: I'm curious how that's an apt bug? the dependency isn't satisfied by the current archive
[01:07] <crimsun> Ng: apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng
[01:07] <crimsun> Ng: then, sudo apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng
[01:08] <crimsun> bah, it's a heisenbug
[01:08] <Ng> output of those seems to be very much the same apart from the simulation warning
[01:09] <crimsun> except that every once in a while, you get:
[01:09] <crimsun> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:09] <crimsun> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:09] <crimsun> and that very much *is* a bug
[01:10] <Ng> not seeing that, but it may be a hardware related timing thing I suppose
[01:11] <crimsun> in which case it's still a bug (:
[01:12] <crimsun> hang a sec, I'll look at logilab-common
[01:12] <crimsun> it looks like it just needs a merge
[01:15] <biovore> maybe crimsun needs a hiesnburg compensator?
[01:15] <crimsun> that would rock
[01:15] <BUGabundo> MAUAUAUAUAU
[01:15] <BUGabundo> 27/Dec/2009 01:15:09 [     edge.c:1136] Using supernode 88.86.108.50:82
[01:15] <BUGabundo> ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]
[01:15] <BUGabundo> why why why
[01:16] <BUGabundo> thos was working so well a week ago :((((
[01:17] <crimsun> Ng: sec, testing
[01:18] <Ng> :)
[01:19] <bjsnider> !find mozilla-js.pc lucid
[01:24] <BUGabundo> is it just me or is Totem lacking total playing time , when windowed?
[01:35] <bjsnider> the upstream debian package failed for exactly the same reason. so it's nothing i've done
[01:45] <xfact> hey all
[01:46] <xfact> anybody using Lucid lynx?
[01:47] <ToxinPowe> no, it's win95 channel =)
[01:47] <BUGabundo> ToxinPowe: touché
[01:49] <xfact> ????
[01:49] <xfact> anybody alive for help?
[01:52] <BUGabundo> always
[01:52] <BUGabundo> xfact: don't ask to ask, just ASK
[01:52] <i_is_broke> nope we are here for the music and free beer..:D
[01:52] <chu_> beer?!
[01:52] <BUGabundo> i_is_broke: and killing bunies on release dates
[01:52] <i_is_broke> lol
[01:53] <xfact> I am using Ubuntu 8.04 LTs, and now this 10.04 LTS released, but why not it's showing in my upgrade list?
[01:53] <xfact> And I am here for getting help...
[01:53] <chu_> It's not officially released yet.
[01:53] <i_is_broke> um cause 10.4 isnt released yet.
[01:53] <chu_> This is the alpha 1 stage
[01:53] <bjsnider> lucid won't be released until april
[01:53] <i_is_broke> beta hasnt even been released yet.
[01:54] <BUGabundo> heck
[01:54] <BUGabundo> xfact: it hasn't been released yet
[01:54] <BUGabundo> do you guys think he got the picture?
[01:54] <chu_> No
[01:55] <bjsnider> what sort of people still use hardy?
[01:55] <bjsnider> it's a very conservative choice
[01:56] <xfact> ﻿BUGabundo: Really, it's already out for download and to use....@!
[01:56] <xfact> I have checked it on the web
[01:56] <chu_> It is available to _test_
[01:56] <BUGabundo> chu_: can we even call this testing ?
[01:56] <xfact> You mean Beta version like
[01:56] <chu_> Probably not.
[01:56] <BUGabundo> its more like breaking on every step
[01:56] <BUGabundo> xfact: no... not even alph2
[01:56] <chu_> Maybe I won't upgrade then!
[01:57] <BUGabundo> !schedule > xfact
[01:57] <bjsnider> upgrade in april
[01:57] <ToxinPowe> Breaking news, Lucid is out... only Canonical don't know yet :P
[01:57] <chu_> I usually upgrade to beta and everything's good.
[01:57] <crimsun> Ng: sorry, taking a bit longer than anticipated due to testing
[01:57] <BUGabundo> ahhahaahahaahahahahahahahaaahahahahahah
[01:57] <BUGabundo> ToxinPowe: you win the award of the week
[01:57] <chu_> Was just getting a bit keen for Lucid. It sounds promising.
[01:57] <BUGabundo> chu_: I jumped on day 2
[01:58] <i_is_broke> shhhh! dont tell them either.lol
[01:58] <BUGabundo> 2 days after karmic release
[01:58] <xfact> Well, new to ubuntu...no idea about these 'alpha' codes and stuffs....
[01:58] <bjsnider> xfact, are you an oem user?
[01:58] <chu_> Well, it's an introduction to software development in general.
[01:58] <bjsnider> in other words, did you buy a dellbuntu system?
[01:59] <chu_> Be right back, coffee...
[01:59] <xfact> what is oem...I just know I am a windows user, just interested to ubuntu
[02:00] <bjsnider> you said you were using hardy
[02:00] <Ng> crimsun: np at all :)
[02:05] <chu_> Would you say it's too ambitious to write a native gtk calendar application?
[02:06] <bjsnider> like evolution?
[02:06] <chu_> I've never used evolution, let me see.
[02:08] <chu_> THat's awesome.
[02:20] <ToxinPowe> bye people
[02:20] <chu_> see ya
[02:31] <crimsun> Ng: uploaded; thanks for catching the unmetdep
[02:31] <Ng> crimsun: thanks very much :)
[02:34] <yoasif> BUGabundo: around?
[02:35] <yoasif> anyone around who wants to help me confirm a bug?
[02:35] <BUGabundo> yoasif: still
[02:35] <BUGabundo> wathing TopGear
[02:36] <yoasif> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/500672 confirm away ;)
[02:37] <BUGabundo> done
[02:37] <yoasif> thanks BUGabundo
[04:22] <billybigrigger> howdy all
[04:22] <billybigrigger> anyone still alive?
[04:25] <chu_> yep
[04:27] <bjsnider> i died in the war
[04:27] <chu_> :o
[04:27] <billybigrigger> so i'm wondering if anyone here has been having grub problems?
[04:28] <oldude67> hmmm dont know i havent rebooted in a couple of days...kind of afraid too..lol
[04:28] <oldude67> hold let me see
[04:28] <billybigrigger> yeah i get a grub rescue prompt with an error grub symbol grub_gettext not found
[04:29] <billybigrigger> i successfully booted into my system ONCE using a solution i found on the forums, but it doesn't work for me anymore
[04:30] <billybigrigger> http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361013
[04:32] <oldude67> nope no issues with grub, booted right back up.
[04:33] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[05:02] <crimsun> Ng: how's pylint working?
[05:59]  * om26er got disconnected
[08:25] <jbicha1> howdy, attempting to login to Google Reader causes my computer to restart immediately
[08:26] <jbicha1> happens every time in Firefox, Chrome, Konqueror, and Arora, my graphics card is Intel GM45 (laptop)
[08:26] <crimsun> reproducible with 'vesa'?
[08:28] <jbicha1> let me try, I'll be back
[08:28] <Unksi> jbicha1: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^
[08:31] <jbicha> crimsun: how do I force vesa?
[08:31] <Unksi> jbicha: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^
[08:31] <jbicha> thanks, I don't have flash installed yet
[08:32] <Unksi> yeah, im just saying if you start finding a lot of other things like that then it might be the hardware itself, as it is quite weird to have that problem with so many different browsers
[08:32] <crimsun> jbicha: probably easier to create a skeleton xorg.conf
[08:32] <Unksi> might be still with graphics drivers etc though
[08:32] <jbicha> I think in Jaunty days xforcevesa was good enough
[08:52] <jbicha> I couldn't figure out how to forcevesa, when I tried moving xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf, I didn't get any display at all
[09:47] <Ng> crimsun: just installed, it doesn't work :/
[09:48] <Ng> crimsun: I think something is wrong with the logilab thing, pylint is exploding because it can't find logilab.common.modutils when doing "from logilab.common.modutils import NoSourceFile, is_python_source" in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/logilab/astng/manager.py (line 30)
[12:15] <soee> hi
[12:56] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[13:02] <soee> yo
[13:12] <BUGabundo> since exaile is totally broken on my side
[13:12] <BUGabundo> what other Music Player do you guys recommend ?
[13:14] <oldude67> well its not totem..thats for sure, i never can get it to play right.
[13:15] <BUGabundo> it was playing fine up until a few revisions
[13:15] <BUGabundo> I just upgraded to last branch, deleted all local settings
[13:15] <BUGabundo> and still it will get into a loop, when I right click a folder
[13:16] <oldude67> well i run kde so im an amarok person...but if i had to use a different one it would be mplayer.
[13:17] <BUGabundo> mplayer? to manage a 100GB music collention?
[13:17] <BUGabundo> nope
[13:17] <oldude67> well i dont have that much.lol
[13:17] <oldude67> well yet.
[13:20] <oldude67> although i have heard people talking about banshee but i havent tried it, yet.
[13:26] <jbicha> you could try bangarang if you like new, shiny things
[14:11] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, banshee
[14:11] <bjsnider> it's heading for default player status
[14:24]  * penguin42 is running Exaile, but with a fix for it's memory leak
[14:25]  * penguin42 eats that apostrophe
[14:27] <bjsnider> we all make mistake's
[14:31] <om26er> no updates even today?
[14:32] <om26er> transmission is not upto date in lucid and someothers too so is there a way that i might be able to upload them?
[14:39]  * penguin42 considers updating that--> box to Lucid; but I need to figure out what I need to do given it has xorg-edgers packages in
[14:40] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ask bjsnider
[14:40] <BUGabundo> he seems to have an working ppa
[14:41]  * penguin42 tickles bjsnider
[14:41] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It's my new fiddle machine - it's currently running karmic with a 2.6.33rc2 kernel and the xorg-edgers packages, but when ever I hit a Radeon problem the answer seems to be to try a newer X server (which the base intrepid has)
[14:43] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:43]  * bjsnider slaps penguin42 about the head and shoulders with a large carp
[14:43]  * penguin42 takes the carp
[14:44]  * bjsnider ducks
[14:44]  * penguin42 penguins
[14:44] <penguin42> bjsnider: So BUGabundo suggests asking you about updating to lucid; I've got the xorg-edgers PPAs in - is the best bet to remove the PPA from the sources and then update or what?
[14:45] <bjsnider> my ppa only deals with nvidia cards
[14:45] <penguin42> ah, hmm
[14:45] <penguin42> anything generally I should be careful of with Lucid at the moment?
[14:46] <bjsnider> regarding xorg?
[14:46] <penguin42> generally - or is it mostly OK at the moment?
[14:46] <bjsnider> no idea. i don't run lucid
[14:46] <bjsnider> this is a production machine here
[14:46] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LOLOLOL
[14:47] <BUGabundo> penguin42: X broken
[14:47]  * penguin42 checks which channel he's in
[14:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Ah, any particular form of broken?
[14:47] <yofel> no, only the nvidia X driver is broken
[14:47] <Tscheesy> penguin42: you should remove this ppa - because its thought to be used complete - but the xorg is new in Lucid...
[14:47] <bjsnider> there's no rule that says i have to run lucid to be in here
[14:47] <yofel> ok, fglrx too afaik
[14:47] <penguin42> yofel: But I assume those are both interfaces to binary drivers that have changed
[14:48] <yofel> penguin42: yes, unless you use nvidia or ati X works fine
[14:48] <penguin42> yofel: And by ati you mean the closed source ati
[14:48] <bjsnider> the nviudia blob's problem is that it needs to be rebuilt to provide xserver-xorg-video-6
[14:48] <bjsnider> instead of 5, which conflicts with ubuntu-dekstop
[14:49] <penguin42> nod, not a problem here - I'm using the open source radeon drivers
[14:49] <yofel> penguin42: yes, I don't have an ati card so I don't know more, iirc DanaG has one
[14:49] <bjsnider> i think radeon's in good shape
[14:49] <penguin42> bjsnider: Yes it is, the xedgers set I'm running at the moment, 3D works well for things like google earth
[14:50] <bjsnider> except for that pesky bug where it rm -rf's your root partition
[14:50]  * penguin42 runs do-update-release -d and hopes for the best
[14:50] <penguin42> bjsnider: Pah, that's normal
[14:50] <bjsnider> alex deucher coded that in there for the holidays as a small joke that only he gets
[14:51] <penguin42> bjsnider: As long as it doesn't actually create a black hole under the CPU I'd say it's OK for a dev release :-)
[15:01]  * penguin42 wonders if theres a way to figure out whether there are any edgers packages left after the upgrade
[15:04] <odinsbane> I've read awhile ago that Lucid was going to include 2.6.34 kernel.  Where would I check on things like that?
[15:04] <maco> 2.6.32
[15:04] <maco> 2.6.34 wont even be out yet
[15:04] <penguin42> given that .33 isn't out yet, and it's probably a bit difficult to say when 34 will land it would be hard to predict
[15:05] <maco> penguin42: apt-cache policy xorg* ?
[15:06] <penguin42> maco: Hmm interesting, I'll try it - although since I've removed the ppa from the sources I'm not sure that'll help
[15:07] <penguin42> or I will, after the update finishes
[15:07] <maxb> penguin42: apt-show-versions is what you want
[15:07] <maxb> most likely with | fgrep -v uptodate
[15:08] <penguin42> Thanks
[15:27] <bjsnider> !find Meta-2.28.typelib lucid
[15:33] <bjsnider> !find GstVideo-0.10.typelib lucid
[15:34] <penguin42> maxb: apt-show-versions works nicely (and finds 7 packages that were still from the old edgers)
[15:34] <BUGabundo> crimsun: if you have some time, I would like to start taking the headphone bug :(
[15:36] <penguin42> now the question is do I downgrade to the versions in lucid or move to the lucid version of edgers - hmm
[15:40] <bjsnider> !info gobject-introspection-repository
[15:40] <bjsnider> guhhhhh
[15:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I have a ppa for songbird and can't see any packages from it in my system
[15:41] <BUGabundo> so I guess APT DB is broken too
[15:41] <BUGabundo> lolol
[15:42] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, can you search for gobject-introspection-repository plz
[15:42] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache search gobject-introspection-repositor
[15:42] <BUGabundo> ZERO
[15:43] <bjsnider> if that package does not exist in lucid, then what is this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/gobject-introspection-repository
[15:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:44] <bjsnider> i can download the package right off that site
[15:55] <bjsnider> oh, the status says "deleted"
[15:55] <bjsnider> but why was it deleted
[15:55] <bjsnider> was it superseded by something else?
[16:01]  * penguin42 reboots and hopes for the best
[16:03] <penguin42> hmm - ok, tell me about plymouth
[16:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: not working here
[16:07] <penguin42> If I try and boot a custom kernel build it gets to mountall complaining it can't speak to plymouth; and drops me to a shell
[16:07] <penguin42> last I heard on fc plymouth was something that normally lived in an initrd - is an initrd with plymouth now required?
[16:09] <om26er> penguin42, when i install plymouth intramfs is also updated
[16:09] <bjsnider> !find JSCore-1.0.typelib lucid
[16:10] <penguin42> om26er: It's a pita that you need an initrd for a custom kernel with everything built in
[16:12] <penguin42> (and booting into the Lucid kernel with the edgers X gives me a dead system - hmph)
[16:22] <penguin42> Can someone tell me what version of libdevmapper they have installed on lucid? The one I have here doesn't seem to want to talk to my 2.6.33 kernel even though the karmic version spoke to it
[16:24] <penguin42> actually scrap that
[16:57] <crimsun> Ng: hmm, looks like a problem with our pyshared
[17:01] <crimsun> Ng: I'll look at it now
[17:01] <crimsun> BUGabundo: the what bug?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> none so far
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I've digged LP and dint find one similar
[17:02] <BUGabundo> although I've hear more ppl report it
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I'll file a new one
[17:02] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I don't know what you're talking about
[17:02] <BUGabundo> crimsun: alsa-base?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> crimsun: no stereo in head phone
[17:02] <BUGabundo> actually, sound in just ONE of the earphone
[17:03] <crimsun> file a bug
[17:03] <crimsun> It'll be a few hours before I can look anyhow
[17:03] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:03] <BUGabundo> I've lived with it since for ever
[17:03] <BUGabundo> so I can wait
[17:08] <BUGabundo> crimsun: is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/484576 Mac specific?
[17:09] <crimsun> BUGabundo: no idea; do your codecs match precisely?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> no idea
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I'm filling a new one
[17:09] <crimsun> sorry, I'm kinda busy with Ng's bug ATM
[17:10] <BUGabundo> crimsun: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/500828 or anyone else who can see similar prob
[17:10] <BUGabundo> crimsun: take your time, no worry
[17:13] <crimsun> Ng: sorry, no, it's because I suck
[17:14] <crimsun> Ng: fixed, uploaded. Sorry!
[17:18] <penguin42> yeh, working - somehow the upgrade managed to remove the xserver-xorg-radeon and ati packages - and for reasons I don't quite get without them it hung solid
[17:32] <om26er> !test
[17:33] <billybigrigger> is 190.35 the newest nvidia drivers?
[17:33] <billybigrigger> i can't seem to use ubuntu restricted drivers after my upgrade to 10.04
[17:34] <crimsun> billybigrigger: that's due to an ABI bump in the X server
[17:34] <crimsun> the current restricted Nvidia drivers in the repo are incompatible
[17:34] <billybigrigger> how about from nvidia.com
[17:34] <crimsun> bjsnider has a separate PPA if you'd like to use those
[17:34] <billybigrigger> i've seen posts that they work
[17:35] <billybigrigger> sure, what's the ppa crimsun
[17:35] <yofel> the nvidia drivers from xorg edgers and nvidia vdpau ppa work
[17:35] <bjsnider> the stable version is 190.53
[17:35] <crimsun> ~nvidia-vdpau
[17:35] <crimsun> I recommend only pulling the necessary debs by hand
[17:35] <billybigrigger> oooh
[17:36] <billybigrigger> since when was nano color coded? :P
[17:36] <billybigrigger> just looking at my sources, i just remembered the upgraded disabled my 3rd party sources...and i think i already have nvidia-vdpau
[17:36] <billybigrigger> # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid
[17:36] <billybigrigger> # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid
[17:36] <crimsun> BUGabundo: hum, unfortunately your codec wasn't changed at all :(
[17:36] <billybigrigger> is it nvidia or ~nvidia?
[17:37] <crimsun> billybigrigger: ~ is the LP username. The PPA entry has no tilde.
[17:37] <billybigrigger> fair enough
[17:37] <billybigrigger> so is nano color coding new to lucid?
[17:37] <crimsun> billybigrigger: the syntax addition is.
[17:37] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I'll need you to retest if you have time.
[17:38] <BUGabundo> crimsun: sure... later tonigh
[17:38] <BUGabundo> now I'm listing to music :)
[17:38] <billybigrigger> 190.53-0ubuntu1 is latest you say?
[17:39] <yofel> billybigrigger: stable yes
[17:39] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, hey ya old bastard merry ho ho and happy new year! :P
[17:39] <billybigrigger> cool, there's one problem down
[17:39] <billybigrigger> now just to sort out grub
[17:47] <CosmiChaos> what is wrong with the ugly gridded notify-osd and howto remove that?
[17:47] <crimsun> the grid is intentional as is the urgency
[17:48] <crimsun> anyone around with an Analog Devices HDA or Realtek HDA codec?
[17:48] <penguin42> hmm
[17:49] <penguin42> crimsun: Realtek ALC861 do?
[17:51] <crimsun> penguin42: sure, please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec*
[17:51] <crimsun> penguin42: if you have a few moments I'd appreciate your testing some powerdown fixes
[17:52] <penguin42> crimsun: The machine with that on is still running Karmic - does that matter?
[17:52] <crimsun> penguin42: it'll involve downloading, compiling, and installing a new alsa-kernel
[17:52] <crimsun> penguin42: no, Ubuntu release does not matter
[17:52] <penguin42> ok, I can do builds
[17:52] <penguin42> just let me get you your paste data
[17:52] <crimsun> penguin42: if you want, to be safe, first do: aptitude download linux-image-$(uname -r)
[17:54] <penguin42> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/347686/
[17:54] <penguin42> crimsun: For ref this is a Toshiba Equium A100 laptop
[17:56] <crimsun> penguin42: are you using any model quirk?
[17:56] <crimsun> (in /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf)
[17:57] <penguin42> let me just check, I have in the past
[17:57] <penguin42> options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N - so no model quirk
[17:59] <crimsun> penguin42: is patch_realtek.c using bios autoprobe according to dmesg?
[17:59] <penguin42> crimsun: That seems to be running a customer 2.6.31.4 build I did a while ago, if you like I can boot it into karmic 2.6.31-17, or just tell me what you ned to try
[18:00] <penguin42> crimsun: dmesg|grep real is showing me nothing
[18:01] <crimsun> grep -i auto
[18:02] <penguin42> ah yes, [   24.628848] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC861, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[18:03]  * penguin42 tries to remember the name of the package that allows you to easily build packages in a chroot
[18:04] <maxb> pbuilder / cowbuilder
[18:04] <penguin42> ah yeh pbuilder
[18:06] <maxb> Does anyone know what's responsible for managing hard disc power management settings in Lucid, now laptop-mode-tools are gone?
[18:06] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, what do you need me to test?
[18:08] <crimsun> maxb: pm-utils-powersave-policy
[18:08] <crimsun> penguin42: sec
[18:08] <crimsun> penguin42: please download http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.bz2
[18:08] <crimsun> just adding your id ATM
[18:09] <penguin42> got it
[18:10] <maxb> crimsun: Ah.... which seems to delegate back to /etc/hdparm.conf in the end ... right :-)
[18:11] <maxb> Another round of chase-the-config-file over :-)
[18:14] <presshot> hi
[18:14] <presshot> will 10.04 be i686 optimized ?
[18:14] <BUGabundo> no more then usual presshot
[18:15] <BUGabundo> its 586 I think
[18:15] <BUGabundo> ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:15] <presshot> and 9.10 was i486 ?
[18:15] <BUGabundo> no
[18:15] <presshot> 386 ?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> 586 I think
[18:16] <billybigrigger> has the keycombo for switching vt's changed?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> ho ho ho billybigrigger
[18:16] <billybigrigger> ctrl-alt fX ???
[18:16] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: howdy
[18:16] <penguin42> crimsun: So do you just want me to build that alsa set?
[18:17] <presshot> ok
[18:17] <billybigrigger> or is switching vt's in recovery mode disabled for some reason?
[18:17] <BUGabundo> recovery?
[18:17] <billybigrigger> yeah, broken x
[18:17] <BUGabundo> did recovery ever had more then on TTY ?
[18:18] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: don't know, i usually don't spend much time in recovery mode :P
[18:18] <BUGabundo> so how can you tell its broken?
[18:18] <billybigrigger> which is pretty stupid, can't get irc support and have a terminal at the same time :P
[18:19] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: startx brings up a black screen, and trying a normal boot, i can get passed grub to a black screen
[18:19] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Two machines!
[18:19] <billybigrigger> penguin42: not everyone has 2 machines :P
[18:19] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Interesting, what graphics card do you have ?
[18:19] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: broken X
[18:19] <billybigrigger> nvidia :( just upgraded to 195.35
[18:19] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[18:19] <BUGabundo> byyeeeee
[18:19] <billybigrigger> i noticed in my xorg.conf that Driver "nvidia" was commented out, so i uncommented, but found the same results
[18:20] <billybigrigger> 190.53 or 35 can't remember, whatever is newest from nvidia-vdpau ppa
[18:20] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: should i just revert to vesa?
[18:21] <billybigrigger> penguin42: graphics card is a 9800 gtx+
[18:21] <penguin42> billybigrigger: So just check you have all the appropriate xserver-xorg-* packages installed - for some reason on upgrade I lost the -ati and -radeon ones that my Radeon needs, and whatever the default one was hung
[18:22] <billybigrigger> well can anyone confirm that x.53 from the nvidia-vdpau ppa is actually working?
[18:23] <yofel> billybigrigger: me
[18:23] <billybigrigger> yofel: fair enough
[18:23] <billybigrigger> will check my xserver-xorg-* packages, and if nothing i guess i'll have to revert to vesa
[18:23] <billybigrigger> any other suggestions?
[18:24] <billybigrigger> no? okies
[18:24] <billybigrigger> ill be back then
[18:29] <crimsun> penguin42: no
[18:29] <crimsun> penguin42: please apply http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/powerdown-realtek/powerdown.diff on top of that extracted tarball
[18:29] <crimsun> penguin42: then, ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make -j3 && sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound
[18:30] <billybigrigger> nv and nvidia are both busted
[18:30] <billybigrigger> seems i have the needed xserver-xorg-driver and -video packages
[18:30] <billybigrigger> vesa works though thank god
[18:31] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, I'm just going to boot back into a standard ubuntu kernel with the headers and everything in the standard place before I do that
[18:31] <penguin42> brb
[18:32] <yoasif> anyone feel like confirming this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/500840 simple help issue
[18:40] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, so that's built and apparently installed - has it just loaded the modules it's built or what do you want me to test?
[18:42] <natewiebe131> is plymouth planned to work with nvidia/ati? or just intel?
[18:42] <crimsun> penguin42: you need to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf first
[18:42] <bjsnider> crimsun, why should people only pull the necessary debs out of the nvidia ppa by hand?
[18:42] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, what does it need
[18:43] <crimsun> bjsnider: generally recommending everything in a PPA is a bad idea
[18:43] <crimsun> bjsnider: I don't recommend stuff I haven't tested
[18:43] <bjsnider> crimsun, well played, number six...
[18:43] <crimsun> penguin42: remove the power_save_controller=N
[18:44] <bjsnider> crimsun, aren't  you using the awesome nv driver, with its unbreakable 2d desktop?
[18:44] <crimsun> bjsnider: yes
[18:44] <crimsun> (I have more than one machine with NVidia hw)
[18:44] <penguin42> crimsun: OK so just leave it as   options snd-hda-intel power_save=10  ?
[18:44] <crimsun> penguin42: yes
[18:45] <penguin42> ok, done
[18:45] <crimsun> penguin42: have you disabled PA autospawn?
[18:45] <BUGabundo> once NV gives me 3D, and it keeps up with X abi bumps I'm fine with it
[18:45] <crimsun> penguin42: echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf
[18:45] <crimsun> BUGabundo: that isn't the point
[18:45] <crimsun> nv will never be a good driver
[18:46] <natewiebe131> how is nouveau?
[18:46] <bjsnider> you were saying you loved it last week
[18:46] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, done (Isn't >> easier than | tee -a ? )
[18:46] <crimsun> bjsnider: I do love it because it works
[18:46] <crimsun> penguin42: I'm used to using sudo, so >> wouldn't work
[18:47] <penguin42> ah right
[18:47] <BUGabundo> ok, so NV isn't for 3D, how  is nouveau ?
[18:47] <penguin42> ok, so that's done
[18:47] <penguin42> I've killed pulse with a pactl exit
[18:47] <crimsun> bjsnider: however, I'm not an idiot. Clearly nv is not a usable driver for 99.99% of peole.
[18:47] <crimsun> people*
[18:48] <crimsun> penguin42: sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload
[18:48] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver?
[18:48] <penguin42> crimsun: DOne, but there still seem to be a bunch of snd modules loaded
[18:48] <crimsun> penguin42: again
[18:48] <crimsun> penguin42: if necessary, modprobe -r manually
[18:50] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, lsmod | grep snd   is now empty
[18:51] <crimsun> penguin42: ok, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[18:51] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, seems to have loaded  [  996.295052] hda_codec: ALC861: BIOS auto-probing.
[18:52] <crimsun> penguin42: start-pulseaudio-x11
[18:52] <crimsun> then, pactl stat
[18:52] <penguin42> crimsun: looks good Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo  Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
[18:53] <crimsun> penguin42: can you verify that the controller does not emit a pop when it powers down or up?
[18:53] <crimsun> (after 10 idle seconds)
[18:53] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, let me first test that I have some basic sound
[18:54] <crimsun> you might have to turn up the volume really loud to hear it
[18:54] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, yes
[18:55] <bjsnider> have you got a console?
[18:56] <penguin42> crimsun: I didn't hear any pops
[18:56] <crimsun> penguin42: great, thanks. Do you mind me adding you to Tested-by?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> there's a list of All of Fame ?!?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:57] <crimsun> penguin42: i.e., Tested-by: you <e-mail>
[18:57] <penguin42> crimsun: Let me give it one more try - I'm just going to test it on an external amp - to get it to idle do I just need to make sure there is nothing playing, or do I need to actually kill pa again?
[18:57] <BUGabundo> crimsun: so are we dumping the powerdown ?
[18:57] <crimsun> BUGabundo: eh?
[18:57] <crimsun> penguin42: just play nothing for 10 seconds
[18:58] <crimsun> BUGabundo: what will likely happen is that our kernel team won't backport the fixes, so I'll just disable powerdown completely in alsa-base.conf
[18:59] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahha
[18:59] <crimsun> BUGabundo: it's understandable; these are fairly invasive changes
[18:59] <penguin42> crimsun: Yeh, I'm good with that - sign it off as linux@treblig.org please
[18:59] <crimsun> there will be a linux-backports-modules-
[19:00] <crimsun> alsa-lucid-generic that will have the powerdown fixes
[19:00] <crimsun> penguin42: thanks
[19:00] <penguin42> crimsun: No problem
[19:01] <penguin42> crimsun: Incidentally, I've just got a machine that has a VIA VT1708S on - seems to work a charm
[19:02] <bjsnider> isn't via typically hostile to linux?
[19:03] <penguin42> bjsnider: It's a via codec on an Intel HDA thingy
[19:03] <crimsun> bjsnider: no
[19:03] <penguin42> bjsnider: I've not used via enough to know
[19:03] <crimsun> VIA has come a *long* way in terms of FOSS-friendliness
[19:04] <crimsun> many thanks to the work of the incredible Harald Welte
[19:04] <crimsun> if you don't know who he is, you should
[19:04] <penguin42> crimsun: Only weird thing I had (since it's got 5.1 etc) is that if I have the drop down in the sound settings and have it plugged into the centre audio socket I can hear a lot of high frequency artifacts, if I just set it as stero it's OK
[19:04] <bjsnider> so how many are left that are hostile? creative, broadcom...
[19:05] <crimsun> penguin42: yes, known issue
[19:05] <bjsnider> lexmark
[19:05] <penguin42> crimsun: I'm curious about trying it's 192 ksample rate and trying some software radio on it - but that would take some effort I probably won't get around to
[19:06] <belal1> is there any screenshots of the latest lucid release?
[19:06] <crimsun> penguin42: you sure you don't want your name associated with that Tested-by?
[19:06] <crimsun> (it's fine if you don't; the e-mail's there)
[19:06] <penguin42> crimsun: Oh, I forgot about that :-) Dr. David Alan Gilbert
[19:07] <crimsun> done
[19:07] <crimsun> ok, I'll push this one now
[19:10]  * penguin42 goes to get some food
[19:10] <penguin42> crimsun: If you need anything else testing on there just bounce me a mail
[19:11] <crimsun> penguin42: I need additional testers with different Realtek codecs (:
[19:12] <bjsnider> crimsun, what does "codec" refer to in that context?
[19:25] <crimsun> bjsnider: a codec, of course. There's only one definition of a codec, really.
[19:26] <crimsun> bjsnider: in this instance, the HDA codec handles routing. It's still encoding and decoding.
[20:20] <penguin42> crimsun: It's kind of surprising so many vendors bothered producing an almost identical device just with more curious and devious broken bits
[20:21] <crimsun> welcome to my world.
[20:27] <penguin42> I wonder if there is a document anywhere along the lines of 'Linux for motherboard designers'
[20:28] <BUGabundo> lololol
[20:28] <oldude67> crimsun, is that the intel ICH family?
[20:28] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'm not joking - ditto for peripheral chip designers
[20:29] <crimsun> oldude67: has nothing to do with ICH
[20:29] <crimsun> oldude67: ICH is just a name for a particular chipset
[20:29] <crimsun> you can implement HDA codecs on just about any chipset
[20:29] <crimsun> Analog Devices was the first; it hooked an HDA into a legacy mainboard system
[20:29] <crimsun> that was a nightmare.
[20:30] <penguin42> crimsun: Another one to watch out for, I don't know if you've already hit - my case came with two plugs for the lead to the front panel - one was HD-audio, the other was legacy-audio - I bet 50% of home built machines have the wrong one in the board
[20:34] <crimsun> penguin42: I don't know what you mean by that
[20:35] <bjsnider> penguin42, i know what you mean by that
[20:35] <bjsnider> crimsun, sorry, i didn't mena that to sound flippant
[20:35] <penguin42> crimsun: I bought a case and motherboard on my new machine separately; the sockets on the back are soldered directly to the motherboard; but the board also has an 8ish pin header for audio; the case has a lead for the two jacks on the front of the case - this lead has two different 8ish pin plugs on it to go in said socket in motherboard
[20:36] <bjsnider> penguin42, you have to know what you're doing when you assemble the hardware
[20:36] <bjsnider> and the bios settings have top be correct. there's nothing crimsun can do about that kind of situation
[20:37] <penguin42> bjsnider: Well yes :-)  That was the only thing which caused me to have to think, hadn't seen that before - and there was a cryptic badly labelled diagram on a 1x4cm piece of paper inside the case bag with the screws
[20:37] <bjsnider> pengqthey are always badly labelled and documented. it's a consequence of this stuff all coming out of the little dragons
[20:38] <penguin42> bjsnider: It took me about 15mins of looking at that, together with the wiring and comparing it to the slightly better drawn diagram in the motherboard manual
[20:38] <bjsnider> those are situations where you have both ac97 and hda hardware ont he same board and you are presented with a choice
[20:39] <crimsun> penguin42: yes, those are compatibility toggles
[20:39] <penguin42> is there any sane reason why they decided to wire the two differently?
[20:40] <bjsnider> why even offer both options?
[20:40] <bjsnider> obviously everybody's going to pick hda
[20:40] <crimsun> no, not everyone
[20:40] <crimsun> the HDA feature set is unspecified
[20:40] <bjsnider> and the headers on the board are side by side and poorly labelled
 billybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver?
[20:40] <crimsun> it's completely up to the codec and controller manufacturer(s) to write that
[20:41] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, you have a workaround?
[20:41] <penguin42> do they have presence detect for the sockets and do they come through to the software ?
[20:41] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, possibly. have you got a console?
[20:41] <crimsun> in HDA, all jack detection is done in software
[20:41] <crimsun> in AC'97, it's unspecified
[20:42] <crimsun> (can be hw or sw)
[20:42] <penguin42> how can the sw do it?
[20:42] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, i'm in x now, using the vesa driver
[20:42] <bjsnider> i just think the choice of the two adds an unnecessary layer of confusion and opportunity for mistakes
[20:42] <crimsun> penguin42: you write a callback in the driver that reads a NID
[20:42] <penguin42> NID?
[20:42] <crimsun> node id
[20:43] <penguin42> is that a register somewhere?
[20:43] <crimsun> well, techincally it's a pin widget in a nid
[20:43] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, open a console and type in dkms status
[20:43] <crimsun> essentially, yes.
[20:43] <billybigrigger> i think the dkms module installed fine, from when i upgraded from ppa
[20:43] <billybigrigger> i could be wrong
[20:43] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 190.53, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed
[20:43] <bjsnider> let's make sure of that
[20:43] <crimsun> bjsnider: of course, but that isn't a problem if your mainboard ships with an OS that supports only one of those feature sets
[20:43] <penguin42> anyone running kvm on Intrepid?
[20:44] <crimsun> if, OTOH, you like to go poking in register space because your OS allows (perhaps even encourages) it, you can see all sorts of really screwed up OEM decisions
[20:44] <bjsnider> crimsun, yes but my board is relatively new and has that option. surely xp/vista/win 7 can all run hda fine
[20:44] <bjsnider> or maybe not
[20:44] <crimsun> bjsnider: there are *tons* of mainboards that ship with them
[20:45] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, i thought you'd installed the 195 driver
[20:45] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, i thought i did too
[20:45] <bjsnider> install nvidia-glx-195
[20:45] <bjsnider> i'm not 100% sure the 190 driver works
[20:46] <bjsnider> crimsun, that ship with both ac97 and hda?
[20:46] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:46] <billybigrigger> 190 was installed
[20:46] <billybigrigger> installing 195 now
[20:46] <billybigrigger> 195.30-0ubuntu1
[20:47] <bjsnider> afterwards make sure the 195 module is installed by re-running the dkms command
[20:47] <billybigrigger> will i loose vdpau?
[20:47] <billybigrigger> Removing nvidia-190-libvdpau
[20:47] <bjsnider> you don't have it yet. not with vesa
[20:47] <billybigrigger> i had it in 9.10
[20:47] <bjsnider> that package is deprecated
[20:48] <bjsnider> libvdpau is now separate
[20:48] <billybigrigger> this might be offtopic, but anyone know when vlc will have vdpau support built in?
[20:48] <bjsnider> i'm working on it
[20:48] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 195.30, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed
[20:48] <bjsnider> i need to refresh ffmpeg but it's broken right now
[20:48] <billybigrigger> aight, well that was simple enough, thanks bjsnider
[20:48] <billybigrigger> will try a reboot
[20:48] <bjsnider> enable it in the xorg.conf file
[20:48] <billybigrigger> nvidia right
[20:49] <billybigrigger> not nv
[20:49] <bjsnider> right
[20:49] <BUGabundo> I wish pidgin allowed to change nick collours
[20:49] <BUGabundo> having billybigrigger in PINK sucks :(
[20:49]  * billybigrigger still wonders why "nvidia" was commented out on my upgrade
[20:49] <billybigrigger> yeah, pink isn't my color
[20:49] <billybigrigger> anywho
[20:49] <billybigrigger> brb, i hope
[20:50] <bjsnider> works for everybody else
[20:50] <billybigrigger> alt-k-sysreq won't do for this change will it? i need a complete reboot
[20:50] <billybigrigger> nvm, dumb question
[20:50] <bjsnider> i might even flea power the thing
[20:57] <crimsun> bjsnider: yes
[21:01] <bjsnider> i still don't see why OS feature support would be an issue this many years after hda's creation
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, still booting to low graphics mode
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> using "nvidia" driver
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> dkms status reports installed
[21:01] <bjsnider> anything crazy in your xorg.conf file?
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> yeah
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> segfault after loading "ramdac"
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> ill paste
[21:02] <bjsnider> you didn't use the nvidia-xconfig command way back when did you?
[21:03] <billybigrigger_> nope
[21:03] <billybigrigger_> maybe back in karmic
[21:03] <billybigrigger_> sudo nvidia-xconfig, had to run it as root to get it to save my config, running dual monitors
[21:03] <bjsnider> that command should never be used
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> well i was in karmic, only my 1 display works now
[21:04] <bjsnider> it creates a parochial xorg.conf
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> start with a skeleton xorg then is what your saying?
[21:04] <bjsnider> just use mine
[21:04] <bjsnider> let me see yours first
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> k, throw me a link
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> you want my log and .conf? or just my .conf?
[21:04] <bjsnider> .conf
[21:05] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/f16c69a61
[21:05] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, i have the 190 driver with 7600gt card
[21:06] <crimsun> bjsnider: life sucks. Such is the life of a hardware enabler/kernel hacker.
[21:06] <crimsun> actually life doesn't suck, but it sure makes one wonder WTH OEMs are smoking
[21:07] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, it says update-manger commented stuff out during an upgrade
[21:07] <bjsnider> bilylet's just try a basic one and see if the driver works. then you can try to rebuild the dual monitors thing afterwards, k?
[21:09] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, http://pastebin.com/d580677db
[21:09] <bjsnider> very simple file
[21:10] <bjsnider> crimsun, i'm going to call the CEO of the creative corporation and say "daniel t. chen would like to know what you're smoking, sir"
[21:11] <crimsun> bjsnider: I and many others have already corresponded with their engineering dept
[21:11] <crimsun> i.e., "if you sign an NDA, we'll give you data sheets"
[21:13] <bjsnider> if there was a programmer's union, and its policy was that no members would ever sign an NDA...
[21:13] <crimsun> many of us don't sign NDAs for other reasons
[21:13] <penguin42> although in their case I suspect it's their problem, with some vendors the problem is that they've licensed hardware from other people
[21:14] <crimsun> nearly all the components are subcontracted these days
[21:14] <bjsnider> well, creative does pay for a DTS license i think
[21:24] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, i still get low graphics mode from your xorg.conf
[21:24] <billybigrigger_> but i think that's because we didn't define any resolutions
[21:25] <bjsnider> ok, where's the log?
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> it's different errors nwo
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> now
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> but ill paste it
[21:25] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/f2999b0ba
[21:26] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, lines 26 and 27
[21:27] <bjsnider> you put a number 0 in there when it shouldn't be
[21:27]  * penguin42 wonders if there is a way to stop screenlock during fullscreen flash
[21:30] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, all is good now
[21:31] <bjsnider> yeah, so now you can try to get that dual monitors setup put back, possibly with nvidia-xconfig, but if it doesn't work you'll know why
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> i can just add it what i want my hand i guess
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> if you say nvidia-xconfig should never be used
[21:32] <bjsnider> they don't document when they make changes to it
[21:32] <bjsnider> so maybe it works, maybe not
[21:33] <bjsnider> but you can always go back to the simple xorg.conf if it doesn't (which jockey creates if you use that)
[21:41] <billybigrigger_> don't even know what jockey is
[21:42] <bjsnider> the "hardware drivers" administrative program
[21:42] <billybigrigger_> ahh
[21:52] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you're using the 190 driver with lucid?
[21:52] <BluesKaj> yes
[21:53] <BluesKaj> on my desktop
[21:53] <bjsnider> where did you get the driver?
[21:53] <BluesKaj> launchpad ppa i think
[21:53] <bjsnider> so it's not the driver in the lucid repos
[21:57] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, might be now, not sure
[22:00] <BUGabundo> what's the package that has PDF printing support that replace cups-pdf ??
[22:05] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[22:58] <penguin42> hmm, so I've got the current Lucid upgrade in - but there isn't actually much noticeably different - is there anything cute/new/worth noticing?
[23:02] <billybigrigger_> what's up with the notification bubble?
[23:02] <bjsnider> not for a couple of weeks
[23:02] <bjsnider> there hasn't really been an autosync with upstream debian yet
[23:03] <bjsnider> the multimedia packages can't be refreshed because ffmpeg is broken
[23:03] <billybigrigger_> mine has like an orange grid around it and some weird blue writing at the top, low - report incorrect urgency?
[23:03] <bjsnider> i think that's a known issue
[23:04] <billybigrigger_> http://imagebin.ca/view/gpO0b2g.html
[23:04] <billybigrigger_> known ^^^
[23:10] <Ng> crimsun: thank you very much, pylint is now functioning normally :D
[23:14] <yofel> penguin42: if you want something new and shiny use kde, but other than that there isn't much new in lucid yet afaik
[23:15] <yofel> ah, we do have plymouth in the  repos
[23:15] <cdE|Woozy> which isn't working atm :)
[23:15] <yofel> heh
[23:16] <penguin42> yofel: Hohum, I'm running the xorg-edgers set for Lucid anyway and that's getting me working Radeon 3d with kms (on a 33rc2 kernel) so I'm happy
[23:17] <crimsun> Ng: excellent
[23:19] <yoasif> there's a new kernel with more fixes and breakage
[23:19] <yoasif> ;)
[23:20] <penguin42> yoasif: It's always good to have a bit of variety!
[23:20] <yoasif> heh yeah
[23:20] <yoasif> the mainline kernel added suspend for my laptop
[23:20] <yoasif> but the ubuntu kernel removed support for my webcam
[23:21] <crimsun> get that webcam support merged into mainline, then
[23:21] <penguin42> yoasif: If an ubuntu kernel broke it then thats a bug - it might be possible to find which patch broke it
[23:21] <yoasif> penguin42: the mainline kernel doesn't have support for the webcam, but the karmic kernel did
[23:22] <penguin42> ah
[23:25] <yoasif> need to report that asap, reported the suspend issue already
[23:25] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:25] <yoasif> hi
[23:26] <sebsebseb> yoasif: hi
[23:26] <penguin42> yoasif: Suspend is black magic; 5th circle of hell; one down from hibernation
[23:26] <yoasif> penguin42: it's supposed to work :P
[23:26] <penguin42> yoasif: So's the economy
[23:26] <yoasif> thankfully it works in mainline now
[23:26] <yoasif> so as long as ubuntu kernel devs remove their hack :)
[23:27] <yoasif> penguin42: really? i thought it was more like a "hope it works, doesn't really matter too much if it does because the guys on top (who control it) will be ok anyway"
[23:28] <penguin42> yoasif: Well there are two forms of skeptical answer to this 1) There's no one really in control   2) The guys who package the kernels machines probably work great :-)
[23:29] <yoasif> penguin42: the monied interests that elect politicians and finance wars and stuff, that's what i mean
[23:29] <yoasif> there is no conspiracy because there doesn't need to be
[23:31] <yoasif> interesting, PGO has been enabled in FF upstream in ff 3.7
[23:31] <penguin42> PGO?
[23:31] <yoasif> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520704
[23:32] <penguin42> what is PGO?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> yoasif: not sure
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I lost track
[23:32] <yoasif> profile guided optimization, it should make firefox faster
[23:33] <yoasif> supposedly one of the reasons that windows ff is faster than linux ff
[23:33] <yoasif> my firefox is still lagging, but i have 100 tabs open
[23:33] <yoasif> :/
[23:34] <bjsnider> chromium is the fastest i think i've used on linux
[23:34] <penguin42> ah ok, they'replaying that game
[23:34] <yoasif> yeah chromium is fast
[23:34] <bjsnider> and i like the each-page-is-its -own-thread philosophy
[23:34]  * penguin42 hits yoasif with the 'you aren't supposed to keep the entire internet in your browser' trout
[23:34] <crimsun> penguin42: oh, can you verify that suspend and resume work properly with that patch?
[23:35] <crimsun> penguin42: meaning "sound works properly with suspend-to-ram and resume"
[23:36] <penguin42> hmm, so assuming I haven't done anything I shoiuld just play some sound, suspend, resume and see if it still plays?
[23:36] <crimsun> yes
[23:36] <crimsun> I suspect that I'll need to modify my code sooner or later to pass a NID struct
[23:36] <crimsun> (rather than just enabling powersavings for Front and PCM)
[23:37] <yoasif> crimsun: my laptop's sound works great now... karmic was a great release, thanks for your help :)
[23:37] <yoasif> any ideas on where to get some help with mplayer-nogui?
[23:38] <crimsun> yoasif: which specific help?
[23:38] <penguin42> crimsun: OK, so I'm going to suspend and resume this box - if you're really lucky I'll keep my connection :-)
[23:39] <crimsun> freenode has a ridiculously long timeout
[23:39] <yoasif> crimsun: crackling with pulseaudio mostly, there were also some headphone autosense help
[23:39] <crimsun> yoasif: are you using the pulse output or the alsa output (of mplayer)?
[23:39] <crimsun> yoasif: and, autosense?
[23:40] <yoasif> crimsun: currently using pulse... i think it has something to do with 5.1 surround sound
[23:40] <penguin42> crimsun: Looks good
[23:40] <yoasif> vlc plays the file fine, but i don't know how to troubleshoot it
[23:40] <crimsun> penguin42: excellent
[23:41]  * crimsun cherrypicks and pushes
[23:45] <yoasif> anyone have any idea what may be happening here? http://pastebin.com/m10587f7
[23:46] <penguin42> yoasif: Sure it's an MPEG2 stream? is it just an MPEG2 video rather than a transport stream etc
[23:47] <yoasif> penguin42: supposedly it is x264 2pass @ 10050 Kbps
[23:47] <yoasif> i can pull it up in vlc and see what it says
[23:49] <yoasif> penguin42: vlc says it is avc1, with dts audio
[23:50]  * penguin42 doesn't know what one of those is
[23:51] <yoasif> avc1 is h264, which should be supported by vdpau
[23:53] <Sarvatt> yoasif: what command are you running it with?
[23:53] <billybigrigger_> yoasif, do you have a link to the video clip for us to test?
[23:53] <yoasif> Sarvatt: just mplayer but i have a customized config file, one sec
[23:54] <yoasif> Sarvatt: config file: http://pastebin.com/m6faa6810
[23:54] <yoasif> billybigrigger_: i can try to create one using avidemux i think
[23:55] <BUGabundo> hey Sarvatt
[23:56] <billybigrigger_> yoasif, vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,
[23:56] <Sarvatt> heyo BUGabundo!
[23:56] <billybigrigger_> is all i have in my ~/.mplayer/config
[23:56] <billybigrigger_> mind you now that i think of it, if i use mplayer, it's smplayer (front end)
[23:57] <billybigrigger_> mostly vlc though
[23:57] <bjsnider> yoasif, is this a trusted fie? i mean maybe it was ripped incorrectly
[23:57] <yoasif> billybigrigger you think i should get rid of the -vo?
[23:57] <billybigrigger_> no, -vo specifies to use vdpau
[23:58] <billybigrigger_> have you tried smplayer? i use it for my hi def movies and uses smplayer fine, but it's just a front end...so something in your mplayer config is still wrong, as i think smplayer uses it's own config
[23:58] <yoasif> hmm
[23:58] <yoasif> alright, i'll give smplayer a shot
[23:58] <bjsnider> gnome-mplayer is good too
[23:58] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, is that the same as gmplayer?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:59] <yoasif> bjsnider: gnome-mplayer was buggy for me when i used it :
[23:59] <BUGabundo> so many names
[23:59] <yoasif> :/
[23:59] <BUGabundo> mplayer, gmplayer, smplayer, totem, vlc
[23:59] <BUGabundo> I use totem for most
[23:59] <BUGabundo> vlc for FULL HD
[23:59] <BUGabundo> and mplayer for quick debug
[23:59]  * billybigrigger_ can't wait for vdpau in vlc