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BUGabundo$ cat  /proc/asound/card*/codec*  | pastebinit00:00
BUGabundohttp://pastebin.com/f65476bb100:00
crimsunthanks00:00
BUGabundoMaking00:00
BUGabundothere goes Saturday00:01
BUGabundo(12:00:28 AM) Day changed to 27 Dec 200900:01
BUGabundocrimsun: /sbin/depmod -a 2.6.32-9-generic00:02
crimsunBUGabundo: ok, do you have powerdown active right now?00:02
BUGabundowhat's powerdown?00:02
crimsungrep hda-intel /etc/modprobe.d/*00:02
BUGabundohttp://pastebin.com/f5694ff4700:03
crimsuneww00:03
crimsunyou should rm /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf~00:03
BUGabundodone00:04
crimsunplease erase the " power_save_controller=N"00:04
BUGabundodone00:05
BUGabundoand ~ removed00:05
crimsuncan you check again about the backup file?00:05
crimsuni.e., make sure there isn't one00:06
BUGabundo$ ls /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf* | pastebinit00:08
BUGabundohttp://pastebin.com/f719adf900:08
BUGabundo(12:05:08 AM) freenode: and ~ removed00:08
crimsunok, now I need you to verify that there's an audible pop when the controller powers down after 10 idle seconds00:09
=== BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo
BUGabundocrimsun: no sound for at least a minute00:13
BUGabundoand now I just got a pong00:13
BUGabundono POP00:13
BUGabundosome glichts in some of them00:13
BUGabundobut nothing out of usual00:13
BUGabundono POP00:13
crimsunok, that's the power_save_controller00:13
crimsunnow, you should reboot00:14
BUGabundowell since you ask so nicelly00:17
BUGabundoBBR rebooting00:17
BUGabundocrimsun: back00:21
BUGabundosound working00:21
BUGabundoYAY00:21
crimsunwell, I'm not so concerned about sound working00:21
crimsunI want to know if you can hear a 'pop' when the controller powers down after 10 seconds00:21
BUGabundolol00:21
BUGabundowell, I am00:21
BUGabundolet me see if I can go soundless for that long00:22
BUGabundoping me in 1000:22
crimsun(I think you can ping yourself ;)00:22
BUGabundoBUGabundo: ping00:22
BUGabundono pop00:22
crimsunand sound still works, correct00:22
crimsun?00:22
BUGabundoyes00:22
BUGabundoI think so00:22
crimsunplease verify that sound still works :)00:23
BUGabundoping me :) I can't ping myseft00:23
BUGabundowait, it works00:23
BUGabundojust got a pong00:23
crimsunok, does suspend/resume work on your machine?00:23
BUGabundonot resume from hibernation00:23
BUGabundoit always does clean boot :((00:23
BUGabundofrom the last two weeks00:24
crimsunbut resume from suspend-to-RAM does, correct?00:24
BUGabundoBluesKaj: not that king00:24
BUGabundo*kind00:24
BUGabundocrimsun: I'll have to test00:24
BUGabundoworked last weekend00:24
BUGabundodon't use it that much00:24
crimsunplease suspend-to-RAM, then resume and verify that sound is still audible00:24
BUGabundook00:24
BUGabundoahhh00:24
BUGabundothat00:24
BUGabundosound usualy is mutted after that00:25
BUGabundoand network fails to start00:25
BUGabundobut ill test again00:25
BluesKajBUGabundo, then what kind , don't see your ip ?00:26
BUGabundosound works after resume00:27
crimsunBUGabundo: please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec*00:27
chu_Morning all.00:27
crimsunBUGabundo: and, thanks for testing!00:27
BUGabundocrimsun: http://pastebin.com/f324f1bc400:28
BUGabundoalways glad to make Ubuntu Better00:28
crimsunah, , great.00:28
crimsun0x10ec088300:28
crimsunthose are the nasty ones00:28
BUGabundocrimsun: you wouldn't be running +1 for 4 years if I didn't like testing stuff00:28
crimsunBUGabundo: eh?00:29
crimsunI've been breaking things for a living since I was 1600:29
BUGabundos/you/I/00:29
crimsunah00:29
bjsnidercrimsun, are you a demolition expert?00:30
BUGabundoI also beta test, LP, OOo, pidgin, android, NM, FF, chromium, a several other floss related services/apps00:30
BUGabundobjsnider: LOLOL00:30
crimsunbjsnider: heh00:30
BUGabundobreaking *in*00:30
crimsunBUGabundo: regardless, thanks for testing. I don't have enough Best Buys locally to verify all my fixes.00:35
bjsnideri need libmozjs-dev as a build-dep, but that file wants to pull out the entire desktop00:36
bjsnideri could use seamonkey-dev, but i think that would result in the binaries uselessly pulling in seamonkey00:37
crimsun$ aptitude why-not libmozjs-dev00:38
crimsuni   firefox         Depends   firefox-3.500:38
crimsuni A firefox-3.5     Depends   xulrunner-1.9.1 (>= 1.9.1)00:38
crimsuni A xulrunner-1.9.1 Conflicts libmozjs-dev00:38
bjsnideri need xulrunner00:38
bjsniderbut so does everything else00:38
crimsundo you actually *need* libmozjs-dev?00:39
BUGabundobjsnider: have you tried #ubuntu-mozillateam ?00:39
bjsniderit contains a magical header00:39
crimsunwhich magical header?00:39
bjsniderit contains the header for spidermonkey00:39
bjsniderjsapi.h00:40
BUGabundoget it from LP ?00:40
bjsniderwhat i can't understand is how sebastian got the previous version to compile without that header00:40
bjsnideri mean it isn't here in the build-dep list00:40
bjsniderbut the build log clearly demands it00:40
crimsunapt-file search jsapi.h|grep -v ^libmoz00:41
crimsunkompozer-dev: /usr/include/kompozer/js/jsapi.h00:41
crimsunseamonkey-dev: /usr/include/seamonkey/js/jsapi.h00:41
crimsunsunbird-dev: /usr/include/sunbird/js/jsapi.h00:41
crimsunthunderbird-dev: /usr/include/thunderbird/js/jsapi.h00:41
crimsunxulrunner-1.9.1-dev: /usr/include/xulrunner-1.9.1.6/unstable/jsapi.h00:41
crimsunso, why not use xulrunner-1.9.1-dev ?00:41
bjsniderthat package is in the list00:42
crimsunin what list?00:42
crimsunthe build-dependency alternates?00:42
bjsniderthat package in karmic contains the header, but what about lucid?00:44
bjsniderthe file is unquestionably there, but not being found00:51
crimsunI'm running lucid, and I refreshed apt-file before I did the search00:51
crimsun$ dpkg-deb -c xulrunner-1.9.1-dev_1.9.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb |grep jsapi00:52
crimsun-rw-r--r-- root/root    103631 2009-12-15 09:35 ./usr/include/xulrunner-1.9.1.6/unstable/jsapi.h00:52
crimsunmake sure you're using the correct preprocessor path00:53
bjsniderwhere is that set?00:54
crimsunin the source code00:54
crimsun[of whatever you're trying to compile]00:55
crimsunactually00:55
crimsunthe proper way is to use the pkg-config file00:55
bjsnideri had to run the autogen script before i could get to this point, but i doubt anything went wrong00:56
bjsniderwhat's probably happened is i didn't prepare this code properly00:58
bjsniderit was just a bunch of raw git stuff00:58
bjsniderit wasn't a tarball with all required files or anything00:59
Ngis it just me or is pylint uninstallable in lucid atm?01:02
crimsunit isn't you01:03
Ngok :)01:03
crimsuninteresting, you just helped me uncover an apt-get bug01:03
Ngwell that's something I suppose :)01:04
BUGabundoNg: not you, bjsnider01:04
BUGabundolol01:04
crimsunThe following packages have unmet dependencies: python-logilab-astng: Depends: python-logilab-common (>= 0.45.0) but it is not going to be installed01:04
BUGabundoor then again01:04
Ngcrimsun: I'm curious how that's an apt bug? the dependency isn't satisfied by the current archive01:06
crimsunNg: apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng01:07
crimsunNg: then, sudo apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng01:07
crimsunbah, it's a heisenbug01:08
Ngoutput of those seems to be very much the same apart from the simulation warning01:08
crimsunexcept that every once in a while, you get:01:09
crimsunE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)01:09
crimsunE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?01:09
crimsunand that very much *is* a bug01:09
Ngnot seeing that, but it may be a hardware related timing thing I suppose01:10
crimsunin which case it's still a bug (:01:11
crimsunhang a sec, I'll look at logilab-common01:12
crimsunit looks like it just needs a merge01:12
biovoremaybe crimsun needs a hiesnburg compensator?01:15
crimsunthat would rock01:15
BUGabundoMAUAUAUAUAU01:15
BUGabundo27/Dec/2009 01:15:09 [     edge.c:1136] Using supernode 88.86.108.50:8201:15
BUGabundoERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]01:15
BUGabundowhy why why01:15
BUGabundothos was working so well a week ago :((((01:16
crimsunNg: sec, testing01:17
Ng:)01:18
bjsnider!find mozilla-js.pc lucid01:19
ubottuFile mozilla-js.pc found in xulrunner-1.9.1-dev01:19
BUGabundois it just me or is Totem lacking total playing time , when windowed?01:24
bjsniderthe upstream debian package failed for exactly the same reason. so it's nothing i've done01:35
xfacthey all01:45
xfactanybody using Lucid lynx?01:46
ToxinPoweno, it's win95 channel =)01:47
BUGabundoToxinPowe: touché01:47
xfact????01:49
xfactanybody alive for help?01:49
BUGabundoalways01:52
BUGabundoxfact: don't ask to ask, just ASK01:52
i_is_brokenope we are here for the music and free beer..:D01:52
chu_beer?!01:52
BUGabundoi_is_broke: and killing bunies on release dates01:52
i_is_brokelol01:52
xfactI am using Ubuntu 8.04 LTs, and now this 10.04 LTS released, but why not it's showing in my upgrade list?01:53
xfactAnd I am here for getting help...01:53
chu_It's not officially released yet.01:53
i_is_brokeum cause 10.4 isnt released yet.01:53
chu_This is the alpha 1 stage01:53
bjsniderlucid won't be released until april01:53
i_is_brokebeta hasnt even been released yet.01:53
BUGabundoheck01:54
BUGabundoxfact: it hasn't been released yet01:54
BUGabundodo you guys think he got the picture?01:54
chu_No01:54
bjsniderwhat sort of people still use hardy?01:55
bjsniderit's a very conservative choice01:55
xfactBUGabundo: Really, it's already out for download and to use....@!01:56
xfactI have checked it on the web01:56
chu_It is available to _test_01:56
BUGabundochu_: can we even call this testing ?01:56
xfactYou mean Beta version like01:56
chu_Probably not.01:56
BUGabundoits more like breaking on every step01:56
BUGabundoxfact: no... not even alph201:56
chu_Maybe I won't upgrade then!01:56
BUGabundo!schedule > xfact01:57
ubottuxfact, please see my private message01:57
bjsniderupgrade in april01:57
ToxinPoweBreaking news, Lucid is out... only Canonical don't know yet :P01:57
chu_I usually upgrade to beta and everything's good.01:57
crimsunNg: sorry, taking a bit longer than anticipated due to testing01:57
BUGabundoahhahaahahaahahahahahahahaaahahahahahah01:57
BUGabundoToxinPowe: you win the award of the week01:57
chu_Was just getting a bit keen for Lucid. It sounds promising.01:57
BUGabundochu_: I jumped on day 201:57
i_is_brokeshhhh! dont tell them either.lol01:58
BUGabundo2 days after karmic release01:58
xfactWell, new to ubuntu...no idea about these 'alpha' codes and stuffs....01:58
bjsniderxfact, are you an oem user?01:58
chu_Well, it's an introduction to software development in general.01:58
bjsniderin other words, did you buy a dellbuntu system?01:58
chu_Be right back, coffee...01:59
xfactwhat is oem...I just know I am a windows user, just interested to ubuntu01:59
bjsnideryou said you were using hardy02:00
Ngcrimsun: np at all :)02:00
chu_Would you say it's too ambitious to write a native gtk calendar application?02:05
bjsniderlike evolution?02:06
chu_I've never used evolution, let me see.02:06
chu_THat's awesome.02:08
ToxinPowebye people02:20
chu_see ya02:20
crimsunNg: uploaded; thanks for catching the unmetdep02:31
Ngcrimsun: thanks very much :)02:31
yoasifBUGabundo: around?02:34
yoasifanyone around who wants to help me confirm a bug?02:35
BUGabundoyoasif: still02:35
BUGabundowathing TopGear02:35
yoasifBUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/500672 confirm away ;)02:36
ubottuUbuntu bug 500672 in gnome-control-center "[lucid] setting keyboard shortcut for switching between windows of an application does not work with compiz" [Undecided,New]02:36
BUGabundodone02:37
yoasifthanks BUGabundo02:37
billybigriggerhowdy all04:22
billybigriggeranyone still alive?04:22
chu_yep04:25
bjsnideri died in the war04:27
chu_:o04:27
billybigriggerso i'm wondering if anyone here has been having grub problems?04:27
oldude67hmmm dont know i havent rebooted in a couple of days...kind of afraid too..lol04:28
oldude67hold let me see04:28
billybigriggeryeah i get a grub rescue prompt with an error grub symbol grub_gettext not found04:28
billybigriggeri successfully booted into my system ONCE using a solution i found on the forums, but it doesn't work for me anymore04:29
billybigriggerhttp://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136101304:30
oldude67nope no issues with grub, booted right back up.04:32
billybigriggerhmmm04:33
crimsunNg: how's pylint working?05:02
* om26er got disconnected05:59
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jbicha1howdy, attempting to login to Google Reader causes my computer to restart immediately08:25
jbicha1happens every time in Firefox, Chrome, Konqueror, and Arora, my graphics card is Intel GM45 (laptop)08:26
crimsunreproducible with 'vesa'?08:26
jbicha1let me try, I'll be back08:28
Unksijbicha1: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^08:28
jbichacrimsun: how do I force vesa?08:31
Unksijbicha: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^08:31
jbichathanks, I don't have flash installed yet08:31
Unksiyeah, im just saying if you start finding a lot of other things like that then it might be the hardware itself, as it is quite weird to have that problem with so many different browsers08:32
crimsunjbicha: probably easier to create a skeleton xorg.conf08:32
Unksimight be still with graphics drivers etc though08:32
jbichaI think in Jaunty days xforcevesa was good enough08:32
jbichaI couldn't figure out how to forcevesa, when I tried moving xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf, I didn't get any display at all08:52
Ngcrimsun: just installed, it doesn't work :/09:47
Ngcrimsun: I think something is wrong with the logilab thing, pylint is exploding because it can't find logilab.common.modutils when doing "from logilab.common.modutils import NoSourceFile, is_python_source" in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/logilab/astng/manager.py (line 30)09:48
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soeehi12:15
BUGabundoguud morning12:56
soeeyo13:02
BUGabundosince exaile is totally broken on my side13:12
BUGabundowhat other Music Player do you guys recommend ?13:12
oldude67well its not totem..thats for sure, i never can get it to play right.13:14
BUGabundoit was playing fine up until a few revisions13:15
BUGabundoI just upgraded to last branch, deleted all local settings13:15
BUGabundoand still it will get into a loop, when I right click a folder13:15
oldude67well i run kde so im an amarok person...but if i had to use a different one it would be mplayer.13:16
BUGabundomplayer? to manage a 100GB music collention?13:17
BUGabundonope13:17
oldude67well i dont have that much.lol13:17
oldude67well yet.13:17
oldude67although i have heard people talking about banshee but i havent tried it, yet.13:20
jbichayou could try bangarang if you like new, shiny things13:26
bjsniderBUGabundo, banshee14:11
bjsniderit's heading for default player status14:11
* penguin42 is running Exaile, but with a fix for it's memory leak14:24
* penguin42 eats that apostrophe14:25
bjsniderwe all make mistake's14:27
om26erno updates even today?14:31
om26ertransmission is not upto date in lucid and someothers too so is there a way that i might be able to upload them?14:32
* penguin42 considers updating that--> box to Lucid; but I need to figure out what I need to do given it has xorg-edgers packages in14:39
BUGabundopenguin42: ask bjsnider14:40
BUGabundohe seems to have an working ppa14:40
* penguin42 tickles bjsnider14:41
penguin42BUGabundo: It's my new fiddle machine - it's currently running karmic with a 2.6.33rc2 kernel and the xorg-edgers packages, but when ever I hit a Radeon problem the answer seems to be to try a newer X server (which the base intrepid has)14:41
BUGabundolol14:43
* bjsnider slaps penguin42 about the head and shoulders with a large carp14:43
* penguin42 takes the carp14:43
* bjsnider ducks14:44
* penguin42 penguins14:44
penguin42bjsnider: So BUGabundo suggests asking you about updating to lucid; I've got the xorg-edgers PPAs in - is the best bet to remove the PPA from the sources and then update or what?14:44
bjsnidermy ppa only deals with nvidia cards14:45
penguin42ah, hmm14:45
penguin42anything generally I should be careful of with Lucid at the moment?14:45
bjsniderregarding xorg?14:46
penguin42generally - or is it mostly OK at the moment?14:46
bjsniderno idea. i don't run lucid14:46
bjsniderthis is a production machine here14:46
BUGabundobjsnider: LOLOLOL14:46
BUGabundopenguin42: X broken14:47
* penguin42 checks which channel he's in14:47
penguin42BUGabundo: Ah, any particular form of broken?14:47
yofelno, only the nvidia X driver is broken14:47
Tscheesypenguin42: you should remove this ppa - because its thought to be used complete - but the xorg is new in Lucid...14:47
bjsniderthere's no rule that says i have to run lucid to be in here14:47
yofelok, fglrx too afaik14:47
penguin42yofel: But I assume those are both interfaces to binary drivers that have changed14:47
yofelpenguin42: yes, unless you use nvidia or ati X works fine14:48
penguin42yofel: And by ati you mean the closed source ati14:48
bjsniderthe nviudia blob's problem is that it needs to be rebuilt to provide xserver-xorg-video-614:48
bjsniderinstead of 5, which conflicts with ubuntu-dekstop14:48
penguin42nod, not a problem here - I'm using the open source radeon drivers14:49
yofelpenguin42: yes, I don't have an ati card so I don't know more, iirc DanaG has one14:49
bjsnideri think radeon's in good shape14:49
penguin42bjsnider: Yes it is, the xedgers set I'm running at the moment, 3D works well for things like google earth14:49
bjsniderexcept for that pesky bug where it rm -rf's your root partition14:50
* penguin42 runs do-update-release -d and hopes for the best14:50
penguin42bjsnider: Pah, that's normal14:50
bjsnideralex deucher coded that in there for the holidays as a small joke that only he gets14:50
penguin42bjsnider: As long as it doesn't actually create a black hole under the CPU I'd say it's OK for a dev release :-)14:51
* penguin42 wonders if theres a way to figure out whether there are any edgers packages left after the upgrade15:01
odinsbaneI've read awhile ago that Lucid was going to include 2.6.34 kernel.  Where would I check on things like that?15:04
maco2.6.3215:04
maco2.6.34 wont even be out yet15:04
penguin42given that .33 isn't out yet, and it's probably a bit difficult to say when 34 will land it would be hard to predict15:04
macopenguin42: apt-cache policy xorg* ?15:05
penguin42maco: Hmm interesting, I'll try it - although since I've removed the ppa from the sources I'm not sure that'll help15:06
penguin42or I will, after the update finishes15:07
maxbpenguin42: apt-show-versions is what you want15:07
maxbmost likely with | fgrep -v uptodate15:07
penguin42Thanks15:08
bjsnider!find Meta-2.28.typelib lucid15:27
ubottuFile Meta-2.28.typelib found in libmutter015:28
bjsnider!find GstVideo-0.10.typelib lucid15:33
ubottuFile GstVideo-0.10.typelib found in gir1.0-gst-plugins-base-0.10, ia32-libs15:33
penguin42maxb: apt-show-versions works nicely (and finds 7 packages that were still from the old edgers)15:34
BUGabundocrimsun: if you have some time, I would like to start taking the headphone bug :(15:34
penguin42now the question is do I downgrade to the versions in lucid or move to the lucid version of edgers - hmm15:36
bjsnider!info gobject-introspection-repository15:40
ubottuPackage gobject-introspection-repository does not exist in lucid15:40
bjsniderguhhhhh15:40
BUGabundobjsnider: I have a ppa for songbird and can't see any packages from it in my system15:41
BUGabundoso I guess APT DB is broken too15:41
BUGabundololol15:41
bjsniderBUGabundo, can you search for gobject-introspection-repository plz15:42
BUGabundo$ apt-cache search gobject-introspection-repositor15:42
BUGabundoZERO15:42
bjsniderif that package does not exist in lucid, then what is this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/gobject-introspection-repository15:43
BUGabundoeheh15:44
bjsnideri can download the package right off that site15:44
bjsnideroh, the status says "deleted"15:55
bjsniderbut why was it deleted15:55
bjsniderwas it superseded by something else?15:55
* penguin42 reboots and hopes for the best16:01
penguin42hmm - ok, tell me about plymouth16:03
BUGabundopenguin42: not working here16:06
penguin42If I try and boot a custom kernel build it gets to mountall complaining it can't speak to plymouth; and drops me to a shell16:07
penguin42last I heard on fc plymouth was something that normally lived in an initrd - is an initrd with plymouth now required?16:07
om26erpenguin42, when i install plymouth intramfs is also updated16:09
bjsnider!find JSCore-1.0.typelib lucid16:09
ubottuFile JSCore-1.0.typelib found in gir1.0-webkit-1.016:09
penguin42om26er: It's a pita that you need an initrd for a custom kernel with everything built in16:10
penguin42(and booting into the Lucid kernel with the edgers X gives me a dead system - hmph)16:12
penguin42Can someone tell me what version of libdevmapper they have installed on lucid? The one I have here doesn't seem to want to talk to my 2.6.33 kernel even though the karmic version spoke to it16:22
penguin42actually scrap that16:24
crimsunNg: hmm, looks like a problem with our pyshared16:57
crimsunNg: I'll look at it now17:01
crimsunBUGabundo: the what bug?17:01
BUGabundonone so far17:01
BUGabundoI've digged LP and dint find one similar17:02
BUGabundoalthough I've hear more ppl report it17:02
BUGabundoI'll file a new one17:02
crimsunBUGabundo: I don't know what you're talking about17:02
BUGabundocrimsun: alsa-base?17:02
BUGabundocrimsun: no stereo in head phone17:02
BUGabundoactually, sound in just ONE of the earphone17:02
crimsunfile a bug17:03
crimsunIt'll be a few hours before I can look anyhow17:03
BUGabundook17:03
BUGabundoI've lived with it since for ever17:03
BUGabundoso I can wait17:03
BUGabundocrimsun: is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/484576 Mac specific?17:08
ubottuUbuntu bug 484576 in alsa-driver "[9.10] macbook 2.1 sound jack outputs one channel only" [Undecided,New]17:08
crimsunBUGabundo: no idea; do your codecs match precisely?17:09
BUGabundono idea17:09
BUGabundoI'm filling a new one17:09
crimsunsorry, I'm kinda busy with Ng's bug ATM17:09
BUGabundocrimsun: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/500828 or anyone else who can see similar prob17:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 500828 in alsa-driver "no audio in one of headphone channels " [Undecided,New]17:10
BUGabundocrimsun: take your time, no worry17:10
crimsunNg: sorry, no, it's because I suck17:13
crimsunNg: fixed, uploaded. Sorry!17:14
penguin42yeh, working - somehow the upgrade managed to remove the xserver-xorg-radeon and ati packages - and for reasons I don't quite get without them it hung solid17:18
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om26er!test17:32
ubottuyes, I'm alive.17:33
billybigriggeris 190.35 the newest nvidia drivers?17:33
billybigriggeri can't seem to use ubuntu restricted drivers after my upgrade to 10.0417:33
crimsunbillybigrigger: that's due to an ABI bump in the X server17:34
crimsunthe current restricted Nvidia drivers in the repo are incompatible17:34
billybigriggerhow about from nvidia.com17:34
crimsunbjsnider has a separate PPA if you'd like to use those17:34
billybigriggeri've seen posts that they work17:34
billybigriggersure, what's the ppa crimsun17:35
yofelthe nvidia drivers from xorg edgers and nvidia vdpau ppa work17:35
bjsniderthe stable version is 190.5317:35
crimsun~nvidia-vdpau17:35
crimsunI recommend only pulling the necessary debs by hand17:35
billybigriggeroooh17:35
billybigriggersince when was nano color coded? :P17:36
billybigriggerjust looking at my sources, i just remembered the upgraded disabled my 3rd party sources...and i think i already have nvidia-vdpau17:36
billybigrigger# deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid17:36
billybigrigger# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid17:36
crimsunBUGabundo: hum, unfortunately your codec wasn't changed at all :(17:36
billybigriggeris it nvidia or ~nvidia?17:36
crimsunbillybigrigger: ~ is the LP username. The PPA entry has no tilde.17:37
billybigriggerfair enough17:37
billybigriggerso is nano color coding new to lucid?17:37
crimsunbillybigrigger: the syntax addition is.17:37
crimsunBUGabundo: I'll need you to retest if you have time.17:37
BUGabundocrimsun: sure... later tonigh17:38
BUGabundonow I'm listing to music :)17:38
billybigrigger190.53-0ubuntu1 is latest you say?17:38
yofelbillybigrigger: stable yes17:39
billybigriggerBUGabundo, hey ya old bastard merry ho ho and happy new year! :P17:39
billybigriggercool, there's one problem down17:39
billybigriggernow just to sort out grub17:39
CosmiChaoswhat is wrong with the ugly gridded notify-osd and howto remove that?17:47
crimsunthe grid is intentional as is the urgency17:47
crimsunanyone around with an Analog Devices HDA or Realtek HDA codec?17:48
penguin42hmm17:48
penguin42crimsun: Realtek ALC861 do?17:49
crimsunpenguin42: sure, please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec*17:51
crimsunpenguin42: if you have a few moments I'd appreciate your testing some powerdown fixes17:51
penguin42crimsun: The machine with that on is still running Karmic - does that matter?17:52
crimsunpenguin42: it'll involve downloading, compiling, and installing a new alsa-kernel17:52
crimsunpenguin42: no, Ubuntu release does not matter17:52
penguin42ok, I can do builds17:52
penguin42just let me get you your paste data17:52
crimsunpenguin42: if you want, to be safe, first do: aptitude download linux-image-$(uname -r)17:52
penguin42crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/347686/17:54
penguin42crimsun: For ref this is a Toshiba Equium A100 laptop17:54
crimsunpenguin42: are you using any model quirk?17:56
crimsun(in /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf)17:56
penguin42let me just check, I have in the past17:57
penguin42options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N - so no model quirk17:57
crimsunpenguin42: is patch_realtek.c using bios autoprobe according to dmesg?17:59
penguin42crimsun: That seems to be running a customer 2.6.31.4 build I did a while ago, if you like I can boot it into karmic 2.6.31-17, or just tell me what you ned to try17:59
penguin42crimsun: dmesg|grep real is showing me nothing18:00
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crimsungrep -i auto18:01
penguin42ah yes, [   24.628848] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC861, trying auto-probe from BIOS...18:02
* penguin42 tries to remember the name of the package that allows you to easily build packages in a chroot18:03
maxbpbuilder / cowbuilder18:04
penguin42ah yeh pbuilder18:04
maxbDoes anyone know what's responsible for managing hard disc power management settings in Lucid, now laptop-mode-tools are gone?18:06
penguin42crimsun: OK, what do you need me to test?18:06
crimsunmaxb: pm-utils-powersave-policy18:08
crimsunpenguin42: sec18:08
crimsunpenguin42: please download http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.bz218:08
crimsunjust adding your id ATM18:08
penguin42got it18:09
maxbcrimsun: Ah.... which seems to delegate back to /etc/hdparm.conf in the end ... right :-)18:10
maxbAnother round of chase-the-config-file over :-)18:11
presshothi18:14
presshotwill 10.04 be i686 optimized ?18:14
BUGabundono more then usual presshot18:14
BUGabundoits 586 I think18:15
BUGabundoask in #ubuntu-kernel18:15
presshotand 9.10 was i486 ?18:15
BUGabundono18:15
presshot386 ?18:15
BUGabundo586 I think18:16
billybigriggerhas the keycombo for switching vt's changed?18:16
BUGabundoho ho ho billybigrigger18:16
billybigriggerctrl-alt fX ???18:16
billybigriggerBUGabundo: howdy18:16
penguin42crimsun: So do you just want me to build that alsa set?18:16
presshotok18:17
billybigriggeror is switching vt's in recovery mode disabled for some reason?18:17
BUGabundorecovery?18:17
billybigriggeryeah, broken x18:17
BUGabundodid recovery ever had more then on TTY ?18:17
billybigriggerBUGabundo: don't know, i usually don't spend much time in recovery mode :P18:18
BUGabundoso how can you tell its broken?18:18
billybigriggerwhich is pretty stupid, can't get irc support and have a terminal at the same time :P18:18
billybigriggerBUGabundo: startx brings up a black screen, and trying a normal boot, i can get passed grub to a black screen18:19
penguin42billybigrigger: Two machines!18:19
billybigriggerpenguin42: not everyone has 2 machines :P18:19
penguin42billybigrigger: Interesting, what graphics card do you have ?18:19
BUGabundobillybigrigger: broken X18:19
billybigriggernvidia :( just upgraded to 195.3518:19
BUGabundoehehehe18:19
BUGabundobyyeeeee18:19
billybigriggeri noticed in my xorg.conf that Driver "nvidia" was commented out, so i uncommented, but found the same results18:19
billybigrigger190.53 or 35 can't remember, whatever is newest from nvidia-vdpau ppa18:20
billybigriggerBUGabundo: should i just revert to vesa?18:20
billybigriggerpenguin42: graphics card is a 9800 gtx+18:21
penguin42billybigrigger: So just check you have all the appropriate xserver-xorg-* packages installed - for some reason on upgrade I lost the -ati and -radeon ones that my Radeon needs, and whatever the default one was hung18:21
billybigriggerwell can anyone confirm that x.53 from the nvidia-vdpau ppa is actually working?18:22
yofelbillybigrigger: me18:23
billybigriggeryofel: fair enough18:23
billybigriggerwill check my xserver-xorg-* packages, and if nothing i guess i'll have to revert to vesa18:23
billybigriggerany other suggestions?18:23
billybigriggerno? okies18:24
billybigriggerill be back then18:24
crimsunpenguin42: no18:29
crimsunpenguin42: please apply http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/powerdown-realtek/powerdown.diff on top of that extracted tarball18:29
crimsunpenguin42: then, ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make -j3 && sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound18:29
billybigriggernv and nvidia are both busted18:30
billybigriggerseems i have the needed xserver-xorg-driver and -video packages18:30
billybigriggervesa works though thank god18:30
penguin42crimsun: OK, I'm just going to boot back into a standard ubuntu kernel with the headers and everything in the standard place before I do that18:31
penguin42brb18:31
yoasifanyone feel like confirming this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/500840 simple help issue18:32
ubottuUbuntu bug 500840 in cheese "[lucid] Cheese manual contains XML errors that prevent full display of help " [Undecided,New]18:32
penguin42crimsun: OK, so that's built and apparently installed - has it just loaded the modules it's built or what do you want me to test?18:40
natewiebe131is plymouth planned to work with nvidia/ati? or just intel?18:42
crimsunpenguin42: you need to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf first18:42
bjsnidercrimsun, why should people only pull the necessary debs out of the nvidia ppa by hand?18:42
penguin42crimsun: OK, what does it need18:42
crimsunbjsnider: generally recommending everything in a PPA is a bad idea18:43
crimsunbjsnider: I don't recommend stuff I haven't tested18:43
bjsnidercrimsun, well played, number six...18:43
crimsunpenguin42: remove the power_save_controller=N18:43
bjsnidercrimsun, aren't  you using the awesome nv driver, with its unbreakable 2d desktop?18:44
crimsunbjsnider: yes18:44
crimsun(I have more than one machine with NVidia hw)18:44
penguin42crimsun: OK so just leave it as   options snd-hda-intel power_save=10  ?18:44
crimsunpenguin42: yes18:44
penguin42ok, done18:45
crimsunpenguin42: have you disabled PA autospawn?18:45
BUGabundoonce NV gives me 3D, and it keeps up with X abi bumps I'm fine with it18:45
crimsunpenguin42: echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf18:45
crimsunBUGabundo: that isn't the point18:45
crimsunnv will never be a good driver18:45
natewiebe131how is nouveau?18:46
bjsnideryou were saying you loved it last week18:46
penguin42crimsun: OK, done (Isn't >> easier than | tee -a ? )18:46
crimsunbjsnider: I do love it because it works18:46
crimsunpenguin42: I'm used to using sudo, so >> wouldn't work18:46
penguin42ah right18:47
BUGabundook, so NV isn't for 3D, how  is nouveau ?18:47
penguin42ok, so that's done18:47
penguin42I've killed pulse with a pactl exit18:47
crimsunbjsnider: however, I'm not an idiot. Clearly nv is not a usable driver for 99.99% of peole.18:47
crimsunpeople*18:47
crimsunpenguin42: sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload18:48
bjsniderbillybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver?18:48
penguin42crimsun: DOne, but there still seem to be a bunch of snd modules loaded18:48
crimsunpenguin42: again18:48
crimsunpenguin42: if necessary, modprobe -r manually18:48
penguin42crimsun: OK, lsmod | grep snd   is now empty18:50
crimsunpenguin42: ok, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel18:51
penguin42crimsun: OK, seems to have loaded  [  996.295052] hda_codec: ALC861: BIOS auto-probing.18:51
crimsunpenguin42: start-pulseaudio-x1118:52
crimsunthen, pactl stat18:52
penguin42crimsun: looks good Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo  Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo18:52
crimsunpenguin42: can you verify that the controller does not emit a pop when it powers down or up?18:53
crimsun(after 10 idle seconds)18:53
penguin42crimsun: OK, let me first test that I have some basic sound18:53
crimsunyou might have to turn up the volume really loud to hear it18:54
billybigriggerbjsnider, yes18:54
bjsniderhave you got a console?18:55
penguin42crimsun: I didn't hear any pops18:56
crimsunpenguin42: great, thanks. Do you mind me adding you to Tested-by?18:56
BUGabundothere's a list of All of Fame ?!?18:57
BUGabundolol18:57
crimsunpenguin42: i.e., Tested-by: you <e-mail>18:57
penguin42crimsun: Let me give it one more try - I'm just going to test it on an external amp - to get it to idle do I just need to make sure there is nothing playing, or do I need to actually kill pa again?18:57
BUGabundocrimsun: so are we dumping the powerdown ?18:57
crimsunBUGabundo: eh?18:57
crimsunpenguin42: just play nothing for 10 seconds18:57
crimsunBUGabundo: what will likely happen is that our kernel team won't backport the fixes, so I'll just disable powerdown completely in alsa-base.conf18:58
BUGabundoahahahahahahha18:59
crimsunBUGabundo: it's understandable; these are fairly invasive changes18:59
penguin42crimsun: Yeh, I'm good with that - sign it off as linux@treblig.org please18:59
crimsunthere will be a linux-backports-modules-18:59
crimsunalsa-lucid-generic that will have the powerdown fixes19:00
crimsunpenguin42: thanks19:00
penguin42crimsun: No problem19:00
penguin42crimsun: Incidentally, I've just got a machine that has a VIA VT1708S on - seems to work a charm19:01
bjsniderisn't via typically hostile to linux?19:02
penguin42bjsnider: It's a via codec on an Intel HDA thingy19:03
crimsunbjsnider: no19:03
penguin42bjsnider: I've not used via enough to know19:03
crimsunVIA has come a *long* way in terms of FOSS-friendliness19:03
crimsunmany thanks to the work of the incredible Harald Welte19:04
crimsunif you don't know who he is, you should19:04
penguin42crimsun: Only weird thing I had (since it's got 5.1 etc) is that if I have the drop down in the sound settings and have it plugged into the centre audio socket I can hear a lot of high frequency artifacts, if I just set it as stero it's OK19:04
bjsniderso how many are left that are hostile? creative, broadcom...19:04
crimsunpenguin42: yes, known issue19:05
bjsniderlexmark19:05
penguin42crimsun: I'm curious about trying it's 192 ksample rate and trying some software radio on it - but that would take some effort I probably won't get around to19:05
belal1is there any screenshots of the latest lucid release?19:06
crimsunpenguin42: you sure you don't want your name associated with that Tested-by?19:06
crimsun(it's fine if you don't; the e-mail's there)19:06
penguin42crimsun: Oh, I forgot about that :-) Dr. David Alan Gilbert19:06
crimsundone19:07
crimsunok, I'll push this one now19:07
* penguin42 goes to get some food19:10
penguin42crimsun: If you need anything else testing on there just bounce me a mail19:10
crimsunpenguin42: I need additional testers with different Realtek codecs (:19:11
bjsnidercrimsun, what does "codec" refer to in that context?19:12
crimsunbjsnider: a codec, of course. There's only one definition of a codec, really.19:25
crimsunbjsnider: in this instance, the HDA codec handles routing. It's still encoding and decoding.19:26
penguin42crimsun: It's kind of surprising so many vendors bothered producing an almost identical device just with more curious and devious broken bits20:20
crimsunwelcome to my world.20:21
penguin42I wonder if there is a document anywhere along the lines of 'Linux for motherboard designers'20:27
BUGabundolololol20:28
oldude67crimsun, is that the intel ICH family?20:28
penguin42BUGabundo: I'm not joking - ditto for peripheral chip designers20:28
crimsunoldude67: has nothing to do with ICH20:29
crimsunoldude67: ICH is just a name for a particular chipset20:29
crimsunyou can implement HDA codecs on just about any chipset20:29
crimsunAnalog Devices was the first; it hooked an HDA into a legacy mainboard system20:29
crimsunthat was a nightmare.20:29
penguin42crimsun: Another one to watch out for, I don't know if you've already hit - my case came with two plugs for the lead to the front panel - one was HD-audio, the other was legacy-audio - I bet 50% of home built machines have the wrong one in the board20:30
crimsunpenguin42: I don't know what you mean by that20:34
bjsniderpenguin42, i know what you mean by that20:35
bjsnidercrimsun, sorry, i didn't mena that to sound flippant20:35
penguin42crimsun: I bought a case and motherboard on my new machine separately; the sockets on the back are soldered directly to the motherboard; but the board also has an 8ish pin header for audio; the case has a lead for the two jacks on the front of the case - this lead has two different 8ish pin plugs on it to go in said socket in motherboard20:35
bjsniderpenguin42, you have to know what you're doing when you assemble the hardware20:36
bjsniderand the bios settings have top be correct. there's nothing crimsun can do about that kind of situation20:36
penguin42bjsnider: Well yes :-)  That was the only thing which caused me to have to think, hadn't seen that before - and there was a cryptic badly labelled diagram on a 1x4cm piece of paper inside the case bag with the screws20:37
bjsniderpengqthey are always badly labelled and documented. it's a consequence of this stuff all coming out of the little dragons20:37
penguin42bjsnider: It took me about 15mins of looking at that, together with the wiring and comparing it to the slightly better drawn diagram in the motherboard manual20:38
bjsniderthose are situations where you have both ac97 and hda hardware ont he same board and you are presented with a choice20:38
crimsunpenguin42: yes, those are compatibility toggles20:39
penguin42is there any sane reason why they decided to wire the two differently?20:39
bjsniderwhy even offer both options?20:40
bjsniderobviously everybody's going to pick hda20:40
crimsunno, not everyone20:40
crimsunthe HDA feature set is unspecified20:40
bjsniderand the headers on the board are side by side and poorly labelled20:40
billybigrigger<bjsnider> billybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver?20:40
crimsunit's completely up to the codec and controller manufacturer(s) to write that20:40
billybigriggerbjsnider, you have a workaround?20:41
penguin42do they have presence detect for the sockets and do they come through to the software ?20:41
bjsniderbillybigrigger, possibly. have you got a console?20:41
crimsunin HDA, all jack detection is done in software20:41
crimsunin AC'97, it's unspecified20:41
crimsun(can be hw or sw)20:42
penguin42how can the sw do it?20:42
billybigriggerbjsnider, i'm in x now, using the vesa driver20:42
bjsnideri just think the choice of the two adds an unnecessary layer of confusion and opportunity for mistakes20:42
crimsunpenguin42: you write a callback in the driver that reads a NID20:42
penguin42NID?20:42
crimsunnode id20:42
penguin42is that a register somewhere?20:43
crimsunwell, techincally it's a pin widget in a nid20:43
bjsniderbillybigrigger, open a console and type in dkms status20:43
crimsunessentially, yes.20:43
billybigriggeri think the dkms module installed fine, from when i upgraded from ppa20:43
billybigriggeri could be wrong20:43
billybigriggernvidia, 190.53, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed20:43
bjsniderlet's make sure of that20:43
crimsunbjsnider: of course, but that isn't a problem if your mainboard ships with an OS that supports only one of those feature sets20:43
penguin42anyone running kvm on Intrepid?20:43
crimsunif, OTOH, you like to go poking in register space because your OS allows (perhaps even encourages) it, you can see all sorts of really screwed up OEM decisions20:44
bjsnidercrimsun, yes but my board is relatively new and has that option. surely xp/vista/win 7 can all run hda fine20:44
bjsnideror maybe not20:44
crimsunbjsnider: there are *tons* of mainboards that ship with them20:44
bjsniderbillybigrigger, i thought you'd installed the 195 driver20:45
billybigriggerbjsnider, i thought i did too20:45
bjsniderinstall nvidia-glx-19520:45
bjsnideri'm not 100% sure the 190 driver works20:45
bjsnidercrimsun, that ship with both ac97 and hda?20:46
billybigriggerhmm20:46
billybigrigger190 was installed20:46
billybigriggerinstalling 195 now20:46
billybigrigger195.30-0ubuntu120:46
bjsniderafterwards make sure the 195 module is installed by re-running the dkms command20:47
billybigriggerwill i loose vdpau?20:47
billybigriggerRemoving nvidia-190-libvdpau20:47
bjsnideryou don't have it yet. not with vesa20:47
billybigriggeri had it in 9.1020:47
bjsniderthat package is deprecated20:47
bjsniderlibvdpau is now separate20:48
billybigriggerthis might be offtopic, but anyone know when vlc will have vdpau support built in?20:48
bjsnideri'm working on it20:48
billybigriggernvidia, 195.30, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed20:48
bjsnideri need to refresh ffmpeg but it's broken right now20:48
billybigriggeraight, well that was simple enough, thanks bjsnider20:48
billybigriggerwill try a reboot20:48
bjsniderenable it in the xorg.conf file20:48
billybigriggernvidia right20:48
billybigriggernot nv20:49
bjsniderright20:49
BUGabundoI wish pidgin allowed to change nick collours20:49
BUGabundohaving billybigrigger in PINK sucks :(20:49
* billybigrigger still wonders why "nvidia" was commented out on my upgrade20:49
billybigriggeryeah, pink isn't my color20:49
billybigriggeranywho20:49
billybigriggerbrb, i hope20:49
bjsniderworks for everybody else20:50
billybigriggeralt-k-sysreq won't do for this change will it? i need a complete reboot20:50
billybigriggernvm, dumb question20:50
bjsnideri might even flea power the thing20:50
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crimsunbjsnider: yes20:57
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bjsnideri still don't see why OS feature support would be an issue this many years after hda's creation21:01
billybigrigger_bjsnider, still booting to low graphics mode21:01
billybigrigger_using "nvidia" driver21:01
billybigrigger_dkms status reports installed21:01
bjsnideranything crazy in your xorg.conf file?21:01
billybigrigger_yeah21:02
billybigrigger_segfault after loading "ramdac"21:02
billybigrigger_ill paste21:02
bjsnideryou didn't use the nvidia-xconfig command way back when did you?21:02
billybigrigger_nope21:03
billybigrigger_maybe back in karmic21:03
billybigrigger_sudo nvidia-xconfig, had to run it as root to get it to save my config, running dual monitors21:03
bjsniderthat command should never be used21:03
billybigrigger_well i was in karmic, only my 1 display works now21:04
bjsniderit creates a parochial xorg.conf21:04
billybigrigger_start with a skeleton xorg then is what your saying?21:04
bjsniderjust use mine21:04
bjsniderlet me see yours first21:04
billybigrigger_k, throw me a link21:04
billybigrigger_you want my log and .conf? or just my .conf?21:04
bjsnider.conf21:04
billybigrigger_http://pastebin.com/f16c69a6121:05
BluesKajbjsnider, i have the 190 driver with 7600gt card21:05
crimsunbjsnider: life sucks. Such is the life of a hardware enabler/kernel hacker.21:06
crimsunactually life doesn't suck, but it sure makes one wonder WTH OEMs are smoking21:06
bjsniderbillybigrigger, it says update-manger commented stuff out during an upgrade21:07
bjsniderbilylet's just try a basic one and see if the driver works. then you can try to rebuild the dual monitors thing afterwards, k?21:07
bjsniderbillybigrigger, http://pastebin.com/d580677db21:09
bjsnidervery simple file21:09
bjsnidercrimsun, i'm going to call the CEO of the creative corporation and say "daniel t. chen would like to know what you're smoking, sir"21:10
crimsunbjsnider: I and many others have already corresponded with their engineering dept21:11
crimsuni.e., "if you sign an NDA, we'll give you data sheets"21:11
bjsniderif there was a programmer's union, and its policy was that no members would ever sign an NDA...21:13
crimsunmany of us don't sign NDAs for other reasons21:13
penguin42although in their case I suspect it's their problem, with some vendors the problem is that they've licensed hardware from other people21:13
crimsunnearly all the components are subcontracted these days21:14
bjsniderwell, creative does pay for a DTS license i think21:14
billybigrigger_bjsnider, i still get low graphics mode from your xorg.conf21:24
billybigrigger_but i think that's because we didn't define any resolutions21:24
bjsniderok, where's the log?21:25
billybigrigger_it's different errors nwo21:25
billybigrigger_now21:25
billybigrigger_but ill paste it21:25
billybigrigger_http://pastebin.com/f2999b0ba21:25
bjsniderbillybigrigger, lines 26 and 2721:26
bjsnideryou put a number 0 in there when it shouldn't be21:27
* penguin42 wonders if there is a way to stop screenlock during fullscreen flash21:27
billybigrigger_bjsnider, all is good now21:30
bjsnideryeah, so now you can try to get that dual monitors setup put back, possibly with nvidia-xconfig, but if it doesn't work you'll know why21:31
billybigrigger_i can just add it what i want my hand i guess21:32
billybigrigger_if you say nvidia-xconfig should never be used21:32
bjsniderthey don't document when they make changes to it21:32
bjsniderso maybe it works, maybe not21:32
bjsniderbut you can always go back to the simple xorg.conf if it doesn't (which jockey creates if you use that)21:33
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billybigrigger_don't even know what jockey is21:41
bjsniderthe "hardware drivers" administrative program21:42
billybigrigger_ahh21:42
bjsniderBluesKaj, you're using the 190 driver with lucid?21:52
BluesKajyes21:52
BluesKajon my desktop21:53
bjsniderwhere did you get the driver?21:53
BluesKajlaunchpad ppa i think21:53
bjsniderso it's not the driver in the lucid repos21:53
BluesKajbjsnider, might be now, not sure21:57
BUGabundowhat's the package that has PDF printing support that replace cups-pdf ??22:00
BluesKajbjsnider, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa22:05
penguin42hmm, so I've got the current Lucid upgrade in - but there isn't actually much noticeably different - is there anything cute/new/worth noticing?22:58
billybigrigger_what's up with the notification bubble?23:02
bjsnidernot for a couple of weeks23:02
bjsniderthere hasn't really been an autosync with upstream debian yet23:02
bjsniderthe multimedia packages can't be refreshed because ffmpeg is broken23:03
billybigrigger_mine has like an orange grid around it and some weird blue writing at the top, low - report incorrect urgency?23:03
bjsnideri think that's a known issue23:03
billybigrigger_http://imagebin.ca/view/gpO0b2g.html23:04
billybigrigger_known ^^^23:04
Ngcrimsun: thank you very much, pylint is now functioning normally :D23:10
yofelpenguin42: if you want something new and shiny use kde, but other than that there isn't much new in lucid yet afaik23:14
yofelah, we do have plymouth in the  repos23:15
cdE|Woozywhich isn't working atm :)23:15
yofelheh23:15
penguin42yofel: Hohum, I'm running the xorg-edgers set for Lucid anyway and that's getting me working Radeon 3d with kms (on a 33rc2 kernel) so I'm happy23:16
crimsunNg: excellent23:17
yoasifthere's a new kernel with more fixes and breakage23:19
yoasif;)23:19
penguin42yoasif: It's always good to have a bit of variety!23:20
yoasifheh yeah23:20
yoasifthe mainline kernel added suspend for my laptop23:20
yoasifbut the ubuntu kernel removed support for my webcam23:20
crimsunget that webcam support merged into mainline, then23:21
penguin42yoasif: If an ubuntu kernel broke it then thats a bug - it might be possible to find which patch broke it23:21
yoasifpenguin42: the mainline kernel doesn't have support for the webcam, but the karmic kernel did23:21
penguin42ah23:22
yoasifneed to report that asap, reported the suspend issue already23:25
sebsebsebhi23:25
yoasifhi23:25
sebsebsebyoasif: hi23:26
penguin42yoasif: Suspend is black magic; 5th circle of hell; one down from hibernation23:26
yoasifpenguin42: it's supposed to work :P23:26
penguin42yoasif: So's the economy23:26
yoasifthankfully it works in mainline now23:26
yoasifso as long as ubuntu kernel devs remove their hack :)23:26
yoasifpenguin42: really? i thought it was more like a "hope it works, doesn't really matter too much if it does because the guys on top (who control it) will be ok anyway"23:27
penguin42yoasif: Well there are two forms of skeptical answer to this 1) There's no one really in control   2) The guys who package the kernels machines probably work great :-)23:28
yoasifpenguin42: the monied interests that elect politicians and finance wars and stuff, that's what i mean23:29
yoasifthere is no conspiracy because there doesn't need to be23:29
yoasifinteresting, PGO has been enabled in FF upstream in ff 3.723:31
penguin42PGO?23:31
yoasifhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52070423:31
ubottuMozilla bug 520704 in Build Config "Build problems with libffi and PGO" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]23:31
penguin42what is PGO?23:32
BUGabundoyoasif: not sure23:32
BUGabundoI lost track23:32
yoasifprofile guided optimization, it should make firefox faster23:32
yoasifsupposedly one of the reasons that windows ff is faster than linux ff23:33
yoasifmy firefox is still lagging, but i have 100 tabs open23:33
yoasif:/23:33
bjsniderchromium is the fastest i think i've used on linux23:34
penguin42ah ok, they'replaying that game23:34
yoasifyeah chromium is fast23:34
bjsniderand i like the each-page-is-its -own-thread philosophy23:34
* penguin42 hits yoasif with the 'you aren't supposed to keep the entire internet in your browser' trout23:34
crimsunpenguin42: oh, can you verify that suspend and resume work properly with that patch?23:34
crimsunpenguin42: meaning "sound works properly with suspend-to-ram and resume"23:35
penguin42hmm, so assuming I haven't done anything I shoiuld just play some sound, suspend, resume and see if it still plays?23:36
crimsunyes23:36
crimsunI suspect that I'll need to modify my code sooner or later to pass a NID struct23:36
crimsun(rather than just enabling powersavings for Front and PCM)23:36
yoasifcrimsun: my laptop's sound works great now... karmic was a great release, thanks for your help :)23:37
yoasifany ideas on where to get some help with mplayer-nogui?23:37
crimsunyoasif: which specific help?23:38
penguin42crimsun: OK, so I'm going to suspend and resume this box - if you're really lucky I'll keep my connection :-)23:38
crimsunfreenode has a ridiculously long timeout23:39
yoasifcrimsun: crackling with pulseaudio mostly, there were also some headphone autosense help23:39
crimsunyoasif: are you using the pulse output or the alsa output (of mplayer)?23:39
crimsunyoasif: and, autosense?23:39
yoasifcrimsun: currently using pulse... i think it has something to do with 5.1 surround sound23:40
penguin42crimsun: Looks good23:40
yoasifvlc plays the file fine, but i don't know how to troubleshoot it23:40
crimsunpenguin42: excellent23:40
* crimsun cherrypicks and pushes23:41
yoasifanyone have any idea what may be happening here? http://pastebin.com/m10587f723:45
penguin42yoasif: Sure it's an MPEG2 stream? is it just an MPEG2 video rather than a transport stream etc23:46
yoasifpenguin42: supposedly it is x264 2pass @ 10050 Kbps23:47
yoasifi can pull it up in vlc and see what it says23:47
yoasifpenguin42: vlc says it is avc1, with dts audio23:49
* penguin42 doesn't know what one of those is23:50
yoasifavc1 is h264, which should be supported by vdpau23:51
Sarvattyoasif: what command are you running it with?23:53
billybigrigger_yoasif, do you have a link to the video clip for us to test?23:53
yoasifSarvatt: just mplayer but i have a customized config file, one sec23:53
yoasifSarvatt: config file: http://pastebin.com/m6faa681023:54
yoasifbillybigrigger_: i can try to create one using avidemux i think23:54
BUGabundohey Sarvatt23:55
billybigrigger_yoasif, vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,23:56
Sarvattheyo BUGabundo!23:56
billybigrigger_is all i have in my ~/.mplayer/config23:56
billybigrigger_mind you now that i think of it, if i use mplayer, it's smplayer (front end)23:56
billybigrigger_mostly vlc though23:57
bjsnideryoasif, is this a trusted fie? i mean maybe it was ripped incorrectly23:57
yoasifbillybigrigger you think i should get rid of the -vo?23:57
billybigrigger_no, -vo specifies to use vdpau23:57
billybigrigger_have you tried smplayer? i use it for my hi def movies and uses smplayer fine, but it's just a front end...so something in your mplayer config is still wrong, as i think smplayer uses it's own config23:58
yoasifhmm23:58
yoasifalright, i'll give smplayer a shot23:58
bjsnidergnome-mplayer is good too23:58
billybigrigger_bjsnider, is that the same as gmplayer?23:58
BUGabundololol23:59
yoasifbjsnider: gnome-mplayer was buggy for me when i used it :23:59
BUGabundoso many names23:59
yoasif:/23:59
BUGabundomplayer, gmplayer, smplayer, totem, vlc23:59
BUGabundoI use totem for most23:59
BUGabundovlc for FULL HD23:59
BUGabundoand mplayer for quick debug23:59
* billybigrigger_ can't wait for vdpau in vlc23:59

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