BUGabundo | $ cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | pastebinit | 00:00 |
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BUGabundo | http://pastebin.com/f65476bb1 | 00:00 |
crimsun | thanks | 00:00 |
BUGabundo | Making | 00:00 |
BUGabundo | there goes Saturday | 00:01 |
BUGabundo | (12:00:28 AM) Day changed to 27 Dec 2009 | 00:01 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: /sbin/depmod -a 2.6.32-9-generic | 00:02 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: ok, do you have powerdown active right now? | 00:02 |
BUGabundo | what's powerdown? | 00:02 |
crimsun | grep hda-intel /etc/modprobe.d/* | 00:02 |
BUGabundo | http://pastebin.com/f5694ff47 | 00:03 |
crimsun | eww | 00:03 |
crimsun | you should rm /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf~ | 00:03 |
BUGabundo | done | 00:04 |
crimsun | please erase the " power_save_controller=N" | 00:04 |
BUGabundo | done | 00:05 |
BUGabundo | and ~ removed | 00:05 |
crimsun | can you check again about the backup file? | 00:05 |
crimsun | i.e., make sure there isn't one | 00:06 |
BUGabundo | $ ls /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf* | pastebinit | 00:08 |
BUGabundo | http://pastebin.com/f719adf9 | 00:08 |
BUGabundo | (12:05:08 AM) freenode: and ~ removed | 00:08 |
crimsun | ok, now I need you to verify that there's an audible pop when the controller powers down after 10 idle seconds | 00:09 |
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BUGabundo | crimsun: no sound for at least a minute | 00:13 |
BUGabundo | and now I just got a pong | 00:13 |
BUGabundo | no POP | 00:13 |
BUGabundo | some glichts in some of them | 00:13 |
BUGabundo | but nothing out of usual | 00:13 |
BUGabundo | no POP | 00:13 |
crimsun | ok, that's the power_save_controller | 00:13 |
crimsun | now, you should reboot | 00:14 |
BUGabundo | well since you ask so nicelly | 00:17 |
BUGabundo | BBR rebooting | 00:17 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: back | 00:21 |
BUGabundo | sound working | 00:21 |
BUGabundo | YAY | 00:21 |
crimsun | well, I'm not so concerned about sound working | 00:21 |
crimsun | I want to know if you can hear a 'pop' when the controller powers down after 10 seconds | 00:21 |
BUGabundo | lol | 00:21 |
BUGabundo | well, I am | 00:21 |
BUGabundo | let me see if I can go soundless for that long | 00:22 |
BUGabundo | ping me in 10 | 00:22 |
crimsun | (I think you can ping yourself ;) | 00:22 |
BUGabundo | BUGabundo: ping | 00:22 |
BUGabundo | no pop | 00:22 |
crimsun | and sound still works, correct | 00:22 |
crimsun | ? | 00:22 |
BUGabundo | yes | 00:22 |
BUGabundo | I think so | 00:22 |
crimsun | please verify that sound still works :) | 00:23 |
BUGabundo | ping me :) I can't ping myseft | 00:23 |
BUGabundo | wait, it works | 00:23 |
BUGabundo | just got a pong | 00:23 |
crimsun | ok, does suspend/resume work on your machine? | 00:23 |
BUGabundo | not resume from hibernation | 00:23 |
BUGabundo | it always does clean boot :(( | 00:23 |
BUGabundo | from the last two weeks | 00:24 |
crimsun | but resume from suspend-to-RAM does, correct? | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | BluesKaj: not that king | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | *kind | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: I'll have to test | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | worked last weekend | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | don't use it that much | 00:24 |
crimsun | please suspend-to-RAM, then resume and verify that sound is still audible | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | ok | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | ahhh | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | that | 00:24 |
BUGabundo | sound usualy is mutted after that | 00:25 |
BUGabundo | and network fails to start | 00:25 |
BUGabundo | but ill test again | 00:25 |
BluesKaj | BUGabundo, then what kind , don't see your ip ? | 00:26 |
BUGabundo | sound works after resume | 00:27 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec* | 00:27 |
chu_ | Morning all. | 00:27 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: and, thanks for testing! | 00:27 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: http://pastebin.com/f324f1bc4 | 00:28 |
BUGabundo | always glad to make Ubuntu Better | 00:28 |
crimsun | ah, , great. | 00:28 |
crimsun | 0x10ec0883 | 00:28 |
crimsun | those are the nasty ones | 00:28 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: you wouldn't be running +1 for 4 years if I didn't like testing stuff | 00:28 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: eh? | 00:29 |
crimsun | I've been breaking things for a living since I was 16 | 00:29 |
BUGabundo | s/you/I/ | 00:29 |
crimsun | ah | 00:29 |
bjsnider | crimsun, are you a demolition expert? | 00:30 |
BUGabundo | I also beta test, LP, OOo, pidgin, android, NM, FF, chromium, a several other floss related services/apps | 00:30 |
BUGabundo | bjsnider: LOLOL | 00:30 |
crimsun | bjsnider: heh | 00:30 |
BUGabundo | breaking *in* | 00:30 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: regardless, thanks for testing. I don't have enough Best Buys locally to verify all my fixes. | 00:35 |
bjsnider | i need libmozjs-dev as a build-dep, but that file wants to pull out the entire desktop | 00:36 |
bjsnider | i could use seamonkey-dev, but i think that would result in the binaries uselessly pulling in seamonkey | 00:37 |
crimsun | $ aptitude why-not libmozjs-dev | 00:38 |
crimsun | i firefox Depends firefox-3.5 | 00:38 |
crimsun | i A firefox-3.5 Depends xulrunner-1.9.1 (>= 1.9.1) | 00:38 |
crimsun | i A xulrunner-1.9.1 Conflicts libmozjs-dev | 00:38 |
bjsnider | i need xulrunner | 00:38 |
bjsnider | but so does everything else | 00:38 |
crimsun | do you actually *need* libmozjs-dev? | 00:39 |
BUGabundo | bjsnider: have you tried #ubuntu-mozillateam ? | 00:39 |
bjsnider | it contains a magical header | 00:39 |
crimsun | which magical header? | 00:39 |
bjsnider | it contains the header for spidermonkey | 00:39 |
bjsnider | jsapi.h | 00:40 |
BUGabundo | get it from LP ? | 00:40 |
bjsnider | what i can't understand is how sebastian got the previous version to compile without that header | 00:40 |
bjsnider | i mean it isn't here in the build-dep list | 00:40 |
bjsnider | but the build log clearly demands it | 00:40 |
crimsun | apt-file search jsapi.h|grep -v ^libmoz | 00:41 |
crimsun | kompozer-dev: /usr/include/kompozer/js/jsapi.h | 00:41 |
crimsun | seamonkey-dev: /usr/include/seamonkey/js/jsapi.h | 00:41 |
crimsun | sunbird-dev: /usr/include/sunbird/js/jsapi.h | 00:41 |
crimsun | thunderbird-dev: /usr/include/thunderbird/js/jsapi.h | 00:41 |
crimsun | xulrunner-1.9.1-dev: /usr/include/xulrunner-1.9.1.6/unstable/jsapi.h | 00:41 |
crimsun | so, why not use xulrunner-1.9.1-dev ? | 00:41 |
bjsnider | that package is in the list | 00:42 |
crimsun | in what list? | 00:42 |
crimsun | the build-dependency alternates? | 00:42 |
bjsnider | that package in karmic contains the header, but what about lucid? | 00:44 |
bjsnider | the file is unquestionably there, but not being found | 00:51 |
crimsun | I'm running lucid, and I refreshed apt-file before I did the search | 00:51 |
crimsun | $ dpkg-deb -c xulrunner-1.9.1-dev_1.9.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb |grep jsapi | 00:52 |
crimsun | -rw-r--r-- root/root 103631 2009-12-15 09:35 ./usr/include/xulrunner-1.9.1.6/unstable/jsapi.h | 00:52 |
crimsun | make sure you're using the correct preprocessor path | 00:53 |
bjsnider | where is that set? | 00:54 |
crimsun | in the source code | 00:54 |
crimsun | [of whatever you're trying to compile] | 00:55 |
crimsun | actually | 00:55 |
crimsun | the proper way is to use the pkg-config file | 00:55 |
bjsnider | i had to run the autogen script before i could get to this point, but i doubt anything went wrong | 00:56 |
bjsnider | what's probably happened is i didn't prepare this code properly | 00:58 |
bjsnider | it was just a bunch of raw git stuff | 00:58 |
bjsnider | it wasn't a tarball with all required files or anything | 00:59 |
Ng | is it just me or is pylint uninstallable in lucid atm? | 01:02 |
crimsun | it isn't you | 01:03 |
Ng | ok :) | 01:03 |
crimsun | interesting, you just helped me uncover an apt-get bug | 01:03 |
Ng | well that's something I suppose :) | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | Ng: not you, bjsnider | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | lol | 01:04 |
crimsun | The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-logilab-astng: Depends: python-logilab-common (>= 0.45.0) but it is not going to be installed | 01:04 |
BUGabundo | or then again | 01:04 |
Ng | crimsun: I'm curious how that's an apt bug? the dependency isn't satisfied by the current archive | 01:06 |
crimsun | Ng: apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng | 01:07 |
crimsun | Ng: then, sudo apt-get -s install python-logilab-astng | 01:07 |
crimsun | bah, it's a heisenbug | 01:08 |
Ng | output of those seems to be very much the same apart from the simulation warning | 01:08 |
crimsun | except that every once in a while, you get: | 01:09 |
crimsun | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 01:09 |
crimsun | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 01:09 |
crimsun | and that very much *is* a bug | 01:09 |
Ng | not seeing that, but it may be a hardware related timing thing I suppose | 01:10 |
crimsun | in which case it's still a bug (: | 01:11 |
crimsun | hang a sec, I'll look at logilab-common | 01:12 |
crimsun | it looks like it just needs a merge | 01:12 |
biovore | maybe crimsun needs a hiesnburg compensator? | 01:15 |
crimsun | that would rock | 01:15 |
BUGabundo | MAUAUAUAUAU | 01:15 |
BUGabundo | 27/Dec/2009 01:15:09 [ edge.c:1136] Using supernode 88.86.108.50:82 | 01:15 |
BUGabundo | ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2] | 01:15 |
BUGabundo | why why why | 01:15 |
BUGabundo | thos was working so well a week ago :(((( | 01:16 |
crimsun | Ng: sec, testing | 01:17 |
Ng | :) | 01:18 |
bjsnider | !find mozilla-js.pc lucid | 01:19 |
ubottu | File mozilla-js.pc found in xulrunner-1.9.1-dev | 01:19 |
BUGabundo | is it just me or is Totem lacking total playing time , when windowed? | 01:24 |
bjsnider | the upstream debian package failed for exactly the same reason. so it's nothing i've done | 01:35 |
xfact | hey all | 01:45 |
xfact | anybody using Lucid lynx? | 01:46 |
ToxinPowe | no, it's win95 channel =) | 01:47 |
BUGabundo | ToxinPowe: touché | 01:47 |
xfact | ???? | 01:49 |
xfact | anybody alive for help? | 01:49 |
BUGabundo | always | 01:52 |
BUGabundo | xfact: don't ask to ask, just ASK | 01:52 |
i_is_broke | nope we are here for the music and free beer..:D | 01:52 |
chu_ | beer?! | 01:52 |
BUGabundo | i_is_broke: and killing bunies on release dates | 01:52 |
i_is_broke | lol | 01:52 |
xfact | I am using Ubuntu 8.04 LTs, and now this 10.04 LTS released, but why not it's showing in my upgrade list? | 01:53 |
xfact | And I am here for getting help... | 01:53 |
chu_ | It's not officially released yet. | 01:53 |
i_is_broke | um cause 10.4 isnt released yet. | 01:53 |
chu_ | This is the alpha 1 stage | 01:53 |
bjsnider | lucid won't be released until april | 01:53 |
i_is_broke | beta hasnt even been released yet. | 01:53 |
BUGabundo | heck | 01:54 |
BUGabundo | xfact: it hasn't been released yet | 01:54 |
BUGabundo | do you guys think he got the picture? | 01:54 |
chu_ | No | 01:54 |
bjsnider | what sort of people still use hardy? | 01:55 |
bjsnider | it's a very conservative choice | 01:55 |
xfact | BUGabundo: Really, it's already out for download and to use....@! | 01:56 |
xfact | I have checked it on the web | 01:56 |
chu_ | It is available to _test_ | 01:56 |
BUGabundo | chu_: can we even call this testing ? | 01:56 |
xfact | You mean Beta version like | 01:56 |
chu_ | Probably not. | 01:56 |
BUGabundo | its more like breaking on every step | 01:56 |
BUGabundo | xfact: no... not even alph2 | 01:56 |
chu_ | Maybe I won't upgrade then! | 01:56 |
BUGabundo | !schedule > xfact | 01:57 |
ubottu | xfact, please see my private message | 01:57 |
bjsnider | upgrade in april | 01:57 |
ToxinPowe | Breaking news, Lucid is out... only Canonical don't know yet :P | 01:57 |
chu_ | I usually upgrade to beta and everything's good. | 01:57 |
crimsun | Ng: sorry, taking a bit longer than anticipated due to testing | 01:57 |
BUGabundo | ahhahaahahaahahahahahahahaaahahahahahah | 01:57 |
BUGabundo | ToxinPowe: you win the award of the week | 01:57 |
chu_ | Was just getting a bit keen for Lucid. It sounds promising. | 01:57 |
BUGabundo | chu_: I jumped on day 2 | 01:57 |
i_is_broke | shhhh! dont tell them either.lol | 01:58 |
BUGabundo | 2 days after karmic release | 01:58 |
xfact | Well, new to ubuntu...no idea about these 'alpha' codes and stuffs.... | 01:58 |
bjsnider | xfact, are you an oem user? | 01:58 |
chu_ | Well, it's an introduction to software development in general. | 01:58 |
bjsnider | in other words, did you buy a dellbuntu system? | 01:58 |
chu_ | Be right back, coffee... | 01:59 |
xfact | what is oem...I just know I am a windows user, just interested to ubuntu | 01:59 |
bjsnider | you said you were using hardy | 02:00 |
Ng | crimsun: np at all :) | 02:00 |
chu_ | Would you say it's too ambitious to write a native gtk calendar application? | 02:05 |
bjsnider | like evolution? | 02:06 |
chu_ | I've never used evolution, let me see. | 02:06 |
chu_ | THat's awesome. | 02:08 |
ToxinPowe | bye people | 02:20 |
chu_ | see ya | 02:20 |
crimsun | Ng: uploaded; thanks for catching the unmetdep | 02:31 |
Ng | crimsun: thanks very much :) | 02:31 |
yoasif | BUGabundo: around? | 02:34 |
yoasif | anyone around who wants to help me confirm a bug? | 02:35 |
BUGabundo | yoasif: still | 02:35 |
BUGabundo | wathing TopGear | 02:35 |
yoasif | BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/500672 confirm away ;) | 02:36 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 500672 in gnome-control-center "[lucid] setting keyboard shortcut for switching between windows of an application does not work with compiz" [Undecided,New] | 02:36 |
BUGabundo | done | 02:37 |
yoasif | thanks BUGabundo | 02:37 |
billybigrigger | howdy all | 04:22 |
billybigrigger | anyone still alive? | 04:22 |
chu_ | yep | 04:25 |
bjsnider | i died in the war | 04:27 |
chu_ | :o | 04:27 |
billybigrigger | so i'm wondering if anyone here has been having grub problems? | 04:27 |
oldude67 | hmmm dont know i havent rebooted in a couple of days...kind of afraid too..lol | 04:28 |
oldude67 | hold let me see | 04:28 |
billybigrigger | yeah i get a grub rescue prompt with an error grub symbol grub_gettext not found | 04:28 |
billybigrigger | i successfully booted into my system ONCE using a solution i found on the forums, but it doesn't work for me anymore | 04:29 |
billybigrigger | http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361013 | 04:30 |
oldude67 | nope no issues with grub, booted right back up. | 04:32 |
billybigrigger | hmmm | 04:33 |
crimsun | Ng: how's pylint working? | 05:02 |
* om26er got disconnected | 05:59 | |
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jbicha1 | howdy, attempting to login to Google Reader causes my computer to restart immediately | 08:25 |
jbicha1 | happens every time in Firefox, Chrome, Konqueror, and Arora, my graphics card is Intel GM45 (laptop) | 08:26 |
crimsun | reproducible with 'vesa'? | 08:26 |
jbicha1 | let me try, I'll be back | 08:28 |
Unksi | jbicha1: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^ | 08:28 |
jbicha | crimsun: how do I force vesa? | 08:31 |
Unksi | jbicha: i used to have a computer with similar symptoms a few years back, it did have a damaged motherboard that caused it.. it did reboot/crash on a lot other things as well though, but they were all specific little things like flash though^ | 08:31 |
jbicha | thanks, I don't have flash installed yet | 08:31 |
Unksi | yeah, im just saying if you start finding a lot of other things like that then it might be the hardware itself, as it is quite weird to have that problem with so many different browsers | 08:32 |
crimsun | jbicha: probably easier to create a skeleton xorg.conf | 08:32 |
Unksi | might be still with graphics drivers etc though | 08:32 |
jbicha | I think in Jaunty days xforcevesa was good enough | 08:32 |
jbicha | I couldn't figure out how to forcevesa, when I tried moving xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf, I didn't get any display at all | 08:52 |
Ng | crimsun: just installed, it doesn't work :/ | 09:47 |
Ng | crimsun: I think something is wrong with the logilab thing, pylint is exploding because it can't find logilab.common.modutils when doing "from logilab.common.modutils import NoSourceFile, is_python_source" in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/logilab/astng/manager.py (line 30) | 09:48 |
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soee | hi | 12:15 |
BUGabundo | guud morning | 12:56 |
soee | yo | 13:02 |
BUGabundo | since exaile is totally broken on my side | 13:12 |
BUGabundo | what other Music Player do you guys recommend ? | 13:12 |
oldude67 | well its not totem..thats for sure, i never can get it to play right. | 13:14 |
BUGabundo | it was playing fine up until a few revisions | 13:15 |
BUGabundo | I just upgraded to last branch, deleted all local settings | 13:15 |
BUGabundo | and still it will get into a loop, when I right click a folder | 13:15 |
oldude67 | well i run kde so im an amarok person...but if i had to use a different one it would be mplayer. | 13:16 |
BUGabundo | mplayer? to manage a 100GB music collention? | 13:17 |
BUGabundo | nope | 13:17 |
oldude67 | well i dont have that much.lol | 13:17 |
oldude67 | well yet. | 13:17 |
oldude67 | although i have heard people talking about banshee but i havent tried it, yet. | 13:20 |
jbicha | you could try bangarang if you like new, shiny things | 13:26 |
bjsnider | BUGabundo, banshee | 14:11 |
bjsnider | it's heading for default player status | 14:11 |
* penguin42 is running Exaile, but with a fix for it's memory leak | 14:24 | |
* penguin42 eats that apostrophe | 14:25 | |
bjsnider | we all make mistake's | 14:27 |
om26er | no updates even today? | 14:31 |
om26er | transmission is not upto date in lucid and someothers too so is there a way that i might be able to upload them? | 14:32 |
* penguin42 considers updating that--> box to Lucid; but I need to figure out what I need to do given it has xorg-edgers packages in | 14:39 | |
BUGabundo | penguin42: ask bjsnider | 14:40 |
BUGabundo | he seems to have an working ppa | 14:40 |
* penguin42 tickles bjsnider | 14:41 | |
penguin42 | BUGabundo: It's my new fiddle machine - it's currently running karmic with a 2.6.33rc2 kernel and the xorg-edgers packages, but when ever I hit a Radeon problem the answer seems to be to try a newer X server (which the base intrepid has) | 14:41 |
BUGabundo | lol | 14:43 |
* bjsnider slaps penguin42 about the head and shoulders with a large carp | 14:43 | |
* penguin42 takes the carp | 14:43 | |
* bjsnider ducks | 14:44 | |
* penguin42 penguins | 14:44 | |
penguin42 | bjsnider: So BUGabundo suggests asking you about updating to lucid; I've got the xorg-edgers PPAs in - is the best bet to remove the PPA from the sources and then update or what? | 14:44 |
bjsnider | my ppa only deals with nvidia cards | 14:45 |
penguin42 | ah, hmm | 14:45 |
penguin42 | anything generally I should be careful of with Lucid at the moment? | 14:45 |
bjsnider | regarding xorg? | 14:46 |
penguin42 | generally - or is it mostly OK at the moment? | 14:46 |
bjsnider | no idea. i don't run lucid | 14:46 |
bjsnider | this is a production machine here | 14:46 |
BUGabundo | bjsnider: LOLOLOL | 14:46 |
BUGabundo | penguin42: X broken | 14:47 |
* penguin42 checks which channel he's in | 14:47 | |
penguin42 | BUGabundo: Ah, any particular form of broken? | 14:47 |
yofel | no, only the nvidia X driver is broken | 14:47 |
Tscheesy | penguin42: you should remove this ppa - because its thought to be used complete - but the xorg is new in Lucid... | 14:47 |
bjsnider | there's no rule that says i have to run lucid to be in here | 14:47 |
yofel | ok, fglrx too afaik | 14:47 |
penguin42 | yofel: But I assume those are both interfaces to binary drivers that have changed | 14:47 |
yofel | penguin42: yes, unless you use nvidia or ati X works fine | 14:48 |
penguin42 | yofel: And by ati you mean the closed source ati | 14:48 |
bjsnider | the nviudia blob's problem is that it needs to be rebuilt to provide xserver-xorg-video-6 | 14:48 |
bjsnider | instead of 5, which conflicts with ubuntu-dekstop | 14:48 |
penguin42 | nod, not a problem here - I'm using the open source radeon drivers | 14:49 |
yofel | penguin42: yes, I don't have an ati card so I don't know more, iirc DanaG has one | 14:49 |
bjsnider | i think radeon's in good shape | 14:49 |
penguin42 | bjsnider: Yes it is, the xedgers set I'm running at the moment, 3D works well for things like google earth | 14:49 |
bjsnider | except for that pesky bug where it rm -rf's your root partition | 14:50 |
* penguin42 runs do-update-release -d and hopes for the best | 14:50 | |
penguin42 | bjsnider: Pah, that's normal | 14:50 |
bjsnider | alex deucher coded that in there for the holidays as a small joke that only he gets | 14:50 |
penguin42 | bjsnider: As long as it doesn't actually create a black hole under the CPU I'd say it's OK for a dev release :-) | 14:51 |
* penguin42 wonders if theres a way to figure out whether there are any edgers packages left after the upgrade | 15:01 | |
odinsbane | I've read awhile ago that Lucid was going to include 2.6.34 kernel. Where would I check on things like that? | 15:04 |
maco | 2.6.32 | 15:04 |
maco | 2.6.34 wont even be out yet | 15:04 |
penguin42 | given that .33 isn't out yet, and it's probably a bit difficult to say when 34 will land it would be hard to predict | 15:04 |
maco | penguin42: apt-cache policy xorg* ? | 15:05 |
penguin42 | maco: Hmm interesting, I'll try it - although since I've removed the ppa from the sources I'm not sure that'll help | 15:06 |
penguin42 | or I will, after the update finishes | 15:07 |
maxb | penguin42: apt-show-versions is what you want | 15:07 |
maxb | most likely with | fgrep -v uptodate | 15:07 |
penguin42 | Thanks | 15:08 |
bjsnider | !find Meta-2.28.typelib lucid | 15:27 |
ubottu | File Meta-2.28.typelib found in libmutter0 | 15:28 |
bjsnider | !find GstVideo-0.10.typelib lucid | 15:33 |
ubottu | File GstVideo-0.10.typelib found in gir1.0-gst-plugins-base-0.10, ia32-libs | 15:33 |
penguin42 | maxb: apt-show-versions works nicely (and finds 7 packages that were still from the old edgers) | 15:34 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: if you have some time, I would like to start taking the headphone bug :( | 15:34 |
penguin42 | now the question is do I downgrade to the versions in lucid or move to the lucid version of edgers - hmm | 15:36 |
bjsnider | !info gobject-introspection-repository | 15:40 |
ubottu | Package gobject-introspection-repository does not exist in lucid | 15:40 |
bjsnider | guhhhhh | 15:40 |
BUGabundo | bjsnider: I have a ppa for songbird and can't see any packages from it in my system | 15:41 |
BUGabundo | so I guess APT DB is broken too | 15:41 |
BUGabundo | lolol | 15:41 |
bjsnider | BUGabundo, can you search for gobject-introspection-repository plz | 15:42 |
BUGabundo | $ apt-cache search gobject-introspection-repositor | 15:42 |
BUGabundo | ZERO | 15:42 |
bjsnider | if that package does not exist in lucid, then what is this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/gobject-introspection-repository | 15:43 |
BUGabundo | eheh | 15:44 |
bjsnider | i can download the package right off that site | 15:44 |
bjsnider | oh, the status says "deleted" | 15:55 |
bjsnider | but why was it deleted | 15:55 |
bjsnider | was it superseded by something else? | 15:55 |
* penguin42 reboots and hopes for the best | 16:01 | |
penguin42 | hmm - ok, tell me about plymouth | 16:03 |
BUGabundo | penguin42: not working here | 16:06 |
penguin42 | If I try and boot a custom kernel build it gets to mountall complaining it can't speak to plymouth; and drops me to a shell | 16:07 |
penguin42 | last I heard on fc plymouth was something that normally lived in an initrd - is an initrd with plymouth now required? | 16:07 |
om26er | penguin42, when i install plymouth intramfs is also updated | 16:09 |
bjsnider | !find JSCore-1.0.typelib lucid | 16:09 |
ubottu | File JSCore-1.0.typelib found in gir1.0-webkit-1.0 | 16:09 |
penguin42 | om26er: It's a pita that you need an initrd for a custom kernel with everything built in | 16:10 |
penguin42 | (and booting into the Lucid kernel with the edgers X gives me a dead system - hmph) | 16:12 |
penguin42 | Can someone tell me what version of libdevmapper they have installed on lucid? The one I have here doesn't seem to want to talk to my 2.6.33 kernel even though the karmic version spoke to it | 16:22 |
penguin42 | actually scrap that | 16:24 |
crimsun | Ng: hmm, looks like a problem with our pyshared | 16:57 |
crimsun | Ng: I'll look at it now | 17:01 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: the what bug? | 17:01 |
BUGabundo | none so far | 17:01 |
BUGabundo | I've digged LP and dint find one similar | 17:02 |
BUGabundo | although I've hear more ppl report it | 17:02 |
BUGabundo | I'll file a new one | 17:02 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: I don't know what you're talking about | 17:02 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: alsa-base? | 17:02 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: no stereo in head phone | 17:02 |
BUGabundo | actually, sound in just ONE of the earphone | 17:02 |
crimsun | file a bug | 17:03 |
crimsun | It'll be a few hours before I can look anyhow | 17:03 |
BUGabundo | ok | 17:03 |
BUGabundo | I've lived with it since for ever | 17:03 |
BUGabundo | so I can wait | 17:03 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/484576 Mac specific? | 17:08 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 484576 in alsa-driver "[9.10] macbook 2.1 sound jack outputs one channel only" [Undecided,New] | 17:08 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: no idea; do your codecs match precisely? | 17:09 |
BUGabundo | no idea | 17:09 |
BUGabundo | I'm filling a new one | 17:09 |
crimsun | sorry, I'm kinda busy with Ng's bug ATM | 17:09 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/500828 or anyone else who can see similar prob | 17:10 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 500828 in alsa-driver "no audio in one of headphone channels " [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: take your time, no worry | 17:10 |
crimsun | Ng: sorry, no, it's because I suck | 17:13 |
crimsun | Ng: fixed, uploaded. Sorry! | 17:14 |
penguin42 | yeh, working - somehow the upgrade managed to remove the xserver-xorg-radeon and ati packages - and for reasons I don't quite get without them it hung solid | 17:18 |
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om26er | !test | 17:32 |
ubottu | yes, I'm alive. | 17:33 |
billybigrigger | is 190.35 the newest nvidia drivers? | 17:33 |
billybigrigger | i can't seem to use ubuntu restricted drivers after my upgrade to 10.04 | 17:33 |
crimsun | billybigrigger: that's due to an ABI bump in the X server | 17:34 |
crimsun | the current restricted Nvidia drivers in the repo are incompatible | 17:34 |
billybigrigger | how about from nvidia.com | 17:34 |
crimsun | bjsnider has a separate PPA if you'd like to use those | 17:34 |
billybigrigger | i've seen posts that they work | 17:34 |
billybigrigger | sure, what's the ppa crimsun | 17:35 |
yofel | the nvidia drivers from xorg edgers and nvidia vdpau ppa work | 17:35 |
bjsnider | the stable version is 190.53 | 17:35 |
crimsun | ~nvidia-vdpau | 17:35 |
crimsun | I recommend only pulling the necessary debs by hand | 17:35 |
billybigrigger | oooh | 17:35 |
billybigrigger | since when was nano color coded? :P | 17:36 |
billybigrigger | just looking at my sources, i just remembered the upgraded disabled my 3rd party sources...and i think i already have nvidia-vdpau | 17:36 |
billybigrigger | # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid | 17:36 |
billybigrigger | # deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu lucid main # disabled on upgrade to lucid | 17:36 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: hum, unfortunately your codec wasn't changed at all :( | 17:36 |
billybigrigger | is it nvidia or ~nvidia? | 17:36 |
crimsun | billybigrigger: ~ is the LP username. The PPA entry has no tilde. | 17:37 |
billybigrigger | fair enough | 17:37 |
billybigrigger | so is nano color coding new to lucid? | 17:37 |
crimsun | billybigrigger: the syntax addition is. | 17:37 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: I'll need you to retest if you have time. | 17:37 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: sure... later tonigh | 17:38 |
BUGabundo | now I'm listing to music :) | 17:38 |
billybigrigger | 190.53-0ubuntu1 is latest you say? | 17:38 |
yofel | billybigrigger: stable yes | 17:39 |
billybigrigger | BUGabundo, hey ya old bastard merry ho ho and happy new year! :P | 17:39 |
billybigrigger | cool, there's one problem down | 17:39 |
billybigrigger | now just to sort out grub | 17:39 |
CosmiChaos | what is wrong with the ugly gridded notify-osd and howto remove that? | 17:47 |
crimsun | the grid is intentional as is the urgency | 17:47 |
crimsun | anyone around with an Analog Devices HDA or Realtek HDA codec? | 17:48 |
penguin42 | hmm | 17:48 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Realtek ALC861 do? | 17:49 |
crimsun | penguin42: sure, please pastebin your /proc/asound/card*/codec* | 17:51 |
crimsun | penguin42: if you have a few moments I'd appreciate your testing some powerdown fixes | 17:51 |
penguin42 | crimsun: The machine with that on is still running Karmic - does that matter? | 17:52 |
crimsun | penguin42: it'll involve downloading, compiling, and installing a new alsa-kernel | 17:52 |
crimsun | penguin42: no, Ubuntu release does not matter | 17:52 |
penguin42 | ok, I can do builds | 17:52 |
penguin42 | just let me get you your paste data | 17:52 |
crimsun | penguin42: if you want, to be safe, first do: aptitude download linux-image-$(uname -r) | 17:52 |
penguin42 | crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/347686/ | 17:54 |
penguin42 | crimsun: For ref this is a Toshiba Equium A100 laptop | 17:54 |
crimsun | penguin42: are you using any model quirk? | 17:56 |
crimsun | (in /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf) | 17:56 |
penguin42 | let me just check, I have in the past | 17:57 |
penguin42 | options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 power_save_controller=N - so no model quirk | 17:57 |
crimsun | penguin42: is patch_realtek.c using bios autoprobe according to dmesg? | 17:59 |
penguin42 | crimsun: That seems to be running a customer 2.6.31.4 build I did a while ago, if you like I can boot it into karmic 2.6.31-17, or just tell me what you ned to try | 17:59 |
penguin42 | crimsun: dmesg|grep real is showing me nothing | 18:00 |
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crimsun | grep -i auto | 18:01 |
penguin42 | ah yes, [ 24.628848] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC861, trying auto-probe from BIOS... | 18:02 |
* penguin42 tries to remember the name of the package that allows you to easily build packages in a chroot | 18:03 | |
maxb | pbuilder / cowbuilder | 18:04 |
penguin42 | ah yeh pbuilder | 18:04 |
maxb | Does anyone know what's responsible for managing hard disc power management settings in Lucid, now laptop-mode-tools are gone? | 18:06 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, what do you need me to test? | 18:06 |
crimsun | maxb: pm-utils-powersave-policy | 18:08 |
crimsun | penguin42: sec | 18:08 |
crimsun | penguin42: please download http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.bz2 | 18:08 |
crimsun | just adding your id ATM | 18:08 |
penguin42 | got it | 18:09 |
maxb | crimsun: Ah.... which seems to delegate back to /etc/hdparm.conf in the end ... right :-) | 18:10 |
maxb | Another round of chase-the-config-file over :-) | 18:11 |
presshot | hi | 18:14 |
presshot | will 10.04 be i686 optimized ? | 18:14 |
BUGabundo | no more then usual presshot | 18:14 |
BUGabundo | its 586 I think | 18:15 |
BUGabundo | ask in #ubuntu-kernel | 18:15 |
presshot | and 9.10 was i486 ? | 18:15 |
BUGabundo | no | 18:15 |
presshot | 386 ? | 18:15 |
BUGabundo | 586 I think | 18:16 |
billybigrigger | has the keycombo for switching vt's changed? | 18:16 |
BUGabundo | ho ho ho billybigrigger | 18:16 |
billybigrigger | ctrl-alt fX ??? | 18:16 |
billybigrigger | BUGabundo: howdy | 18:16 |
penguin42 | crimsun: So do you just want me to build that alsa set? | 18:16 |
presshot | ok | 18:17 |
billybigrigger | or is switching vt's in recovery mode disabled for some reason? | 18:17 |
BUGabundo | recovery? | 18:17 |
billybigrigger | yeah, broken x | 18:17 |
BUGabundo | did recovery ever had more then on TTY ? | 18:17 |
billybigrigger | BUGabundo: don't know, i usually don't spend much time in recovery mode :P | 18:18 |
BUGabundo | so how can you tell its broken? | 18:18 |
billybigrigger | which is pretty stupid, can't get irc support and have a terminal at the same time :P | 18:18 |
billybigrigger | BUGabundo: startx brings up a black screen, and trying a normal boot, i can get passed grub to a black screen | 18:19 |
penguin42 | billybigrigger: Two machines! | 18:19 |
billybigrigger | penguin42: not everyone has 2 machines :P | 18:19 |
penguin42 | billybigrigger: Interesting, what graphics card do you have ? | 18:19 |
BUGabundo | billybigrigger: broken X | 18:19 |
billybigrigger | nvidia :( just upgraded to 195.35 | 18:19 |
BUGabundo | ehehehe | 18:19 |
BUGabundo | byyeeeee | 18:19 |
billybigrigger | i noticed in my xorg.conf that Driver "nvidia" was commented out, so i uncommented, but found the same results | 18:19 |
billybigrigger | 190.53 or 35 can't remember, whatever is newest from nvidia-vdpau ppa | 18:20 |
billybigrigger | BUGabundo: should i just revert to vesa? | 18:20 |
billybigrigger | penguin42: graphics card is a 9800 gtx+ | 18:21 |
penguin42 | billybigrigger: So just check you have all the appropriate xserver-xorg-* packages installed - for some reason on upgrade I lost the -ati and -radeon ones that my Radeon needs, and whatever the default one was hung | 18:21 |
billybigrigger | well can anyone confirm that x.53 from the nvidia-vdpau ppa is actually working? | 18:22 |
yofel | billybigrigger: me | 18:23 |
billybigrigger | yofel: fair enough | 18:23 |
billybigrigger | will check my xserver-xorg-* packages, and if nothing i guess i'll have to revert to vesa | 18:23 |
billybigrigger | any other suggestions? | 18:23 |
billybigrigger | no? okies | 18:24 |
billybigrigger | ill be back then | 18:24 |
crimsun | penguin42: no | 18:29 |
crimsun | penguin42: please apply http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/powerdown-realtek/powerdown.diff on top of that extracted tarball | 18:29 |
crimsun | penguin42: then, ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel --with-card-options=all && make -j3 && sudo make install && sudo rm -f /etc/init.d/alsasound | 18:29 |
billybigrigger | nv and nvidia are both busted | 18:30 |
billybigrigger | seems i have the needed xserver-xorg-driver and -video packages | 18:30 |
billybigrigger | vesa works though thank god | 18:30 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, I'm just going to boot back into a standard ubuntu kernel with the headers and everything in the standard place before I do that | 18:31 |
penguin42 | brb | 18:31 |
yoasif | anyone feel like confirming this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese/+bug/500840 simple help issue | 18:32 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 500840 in cheese "[lucid] Cheese manual contains XML errors that prevent full display of help " [Undecided,New] | 18:32 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, so that's built and apparently installed - has it just loaded the modules it's built or what do you want me to test? | 18:40 |
natewiebe131 | is plymouth planned to work with nvidia/ati? or just intel? | 18:42 |
crimsun | penguin42: you need to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf first | 18:42 |
bjsnider | crimsun, why should people only pull the necessary debs out of the nvidia ppa by hand? | 18:42 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, what does it need | 18:42 |
crimsun | bjsnider: generally recommending everything in a PPA is a bad idea | 18:43 |
crimsun | bjsnider: I don't recommend stuff I haven't tested | 18:43 |
bjsnider | crimsun, well played, number six... | 18:43 |
crimsun | penguin42: remove the power_save_controller=N | 18:43 |
bjsnider | crimsun, aren't you using the awesome nv driver, with its unbreakable 2d desktop? | 18:44 |
crimsun | bjsnider: yes | 18:44 |
crimsun | (I have more than one machine with NVidia hw) | 18:44 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK so just leave it as options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 ? | 18:44 |
crimsun | penguin42: yes | 18:44 |
penguin42 | ok, done | 18:45 |
crimsun | penguin42: have you disabled PA autospawn? | 18:45 |
BUGabundo | once NV gives me 3D, and it keeps up with X abi bumps I'm fine with it | 18:45 |
crimsun | penguin42: echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf | 18:45 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: that isn't the point | 18:45 |
crimsun | nv will never be a good driver | 18:45 |
natewiebe131 | how is nouveau? | 18:46 |
bjsnider | you were saying you loved it last week | 18:46 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, done (Isn't >> easier than | tee -a ? ) | 18:46 |
crimsun | bjsnider: I do love it because it works | 18:46 |
crimsun | penguin42: I'm used to using sudo, so >> wouldn't work | 18:46 |
penguin42 | ah right | 18:47 |
BUGabundo | ok, so NV isn't for 3D, how is nouveau ? | 18:47 |
penguin42 | ok, so that's done | 18:47 |
penguin42 | I've killed pulse with a pactl exit | 18:47 |
crimsun | bjsnider: however, I'm not an idiot. Clearly nv is not a usable driver for 99.99% of peole. | 18:47 |
crimsun | people* | 18:47 |
crimsun | penguin42: sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload | 18:48 |
bjsnider | billybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver? | 18:48 |
penguin42 | crimsun: DOne, but there still seem to be a bunch of snd modules loaded | 18:48 |
crimsun | penguin42: again | 18:48 |
crimsun | penguin42: if necessary, modprobe -r manually | 18:48 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, lsmod | grep snd is now empty | 18:50 |
crimsun | penguin42: ok, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel | 18:51 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, seems to have loaded [ 996.295052] hda_codec: ALC861: BIOS auto-probing. | 18:51 |
crimsun | penguin42: start-pulseaudio-x11 | 18:52 |
crimsun | then, pactl stat | 18:52 |
penguin42 | crimsun: looks good Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo | 18:52 |
crimsun | penguin42: can you verify that the controller does not emit a pop when it powers down or up? | 18:53 |
crimsun | (after 10 idle seconds) | 18:53 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, let me first test that I have some basic sound | 18:53 |
crimsun | you might have to turn up the volume really loud to hear it | 18:54 |
billybigrigger | bjsnider, yes | 18:54 |
bjsnider | have you got a console? | 18:55 |
penguin42 | crimsun: I didn't hear any pops | 18:56 |
crimsun | penguin42: great, thanks. Do you mind me adding you to Tested-by? | 18:56 |
BUGabundo | there's a list of All of Fame ?!? | 18:57 |
BUGabundo | lol | 18:57 |
crimsun | penguin42: i.e., Tested-by: you <e-mail> | 18:57 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Let me give it one more try - I'm just going to test it on an external amp - to get it to idle do I just need to make sure there is nothing playing, or do I need to actually kill pa again? | 18:57 |
BUGabundo | crimsun: so are we dumping the powerdown ? | 18:57 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: eh? | 18:57 |
crimsun | penguin42: just play nothing for 10 seconds | 18:57 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: what will likely happen is that our kernel team won't backport the fixes, so I'll just disable powerdown completely in alsa-base.conf | 18:58 |
BUGabundo | ahahahahahahha | 18:59 |
crimsun | BUGabundo: it's understandable; these are fairly invasive changes | 18:59 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Yeh, I'm good with that - sign it off as linux@treblig.org please | 18:59 |
crimsun | there will be a linux-backports-modules- | 18:59 |
crimsun | alsa-lucid-generic that will have the powerdown fixes | 19:00 |
crimsun | penguin42: thanks | 19:00 |
penguin42 | crimsun: No problem | 19:00 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Incidentally, I've just got a machine that has a VIA VT1708S on - seems to work a charm | 19:01 |
bjsnider | isn't via typically hostile to linux? | 19:02 |
penguin42 | bjsnider: It's a via codec on an Intel HDA thingy | 19:03 |
crimsun | bjsnider: no | 19:03 |
penguin42 | bjsnider: I've not used via enough to know | 19:03 |
crimsun | VIA has come a *long* way in terms of FOSS-friendliness | 19:03 |
crimsun | many thanks to the work of the incredible Harald Welte | 19:04 |
crimsun | if you don't know who he is, you should | 19:04 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Only weird thing I had (since it's got 5.1 etc) is that if I have the drop down in the sound settings and have it plugged into the centre audio socket I can hear a lot of high frequency artifacts, if I just set it as stero it's OK | 19:04 |
bjsnider | so how many are left that are hostile? creative, broadcom... | 19:04 |
crimsun | penguin42: yes, known issue | 19:05 |
bjsnider | lexmark | 19:05 |
penguin42 | crimsun: I'm curious about trying it's 192 ksample rate and trying some software radio on it - but that would take some effort I probably won't get around to | 19:05 |
belal1 | is there any screenshots of the latest lucid release? | 19:06 |
crimsun | penguin42: you sure you don't want your name associated with that Tested-by? | 19:06 |
crimsun | (it's fine if you don't; the e-mail's there) | 19:06 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Oh, I forgot about that :-) Dr. David Alan Gilbert | 19:06 |
crimsun | done | 19:07 |
crimsun | ok, I'll push this one now | 19:07 |
* penguin42 goes to get some food | 19:10 | |
penguin42 | crimsun: If you need anything else testing on there just bounce me a mail | 19:10 |
crimsun | penguin42: I need additional testers with different Realtek codecs (: | 19:11 |
bjsnider | crimsun, what does "codec" refer to in that context? | 19:12 |
crimsun | bjsnider: a codec, of course. There's only one definition of a codec, really. | 19:25 |
crimsun | bjsnider: in this instance, the HDA codec handles routing. It's still encoding and decoding. | 19:26 |
penguin42 | crimsun: It's kind of surprising so many vendors bothered producing an almost identical device just with more curious and devious broken bits | 20:20 |
crimsun | welcome to my world. | 20:21 |
penguin42 | I wonder if there is a document anywhere along the lines of 'Linux for motherboard designers' | 20:27 |
BUGabundo | lololol | 20:28 |
oldude67 | crimsun, is that the intel ICH family? | 20:28 |
penguin42 | BUGabundo: I'm not joking - ditto for peripheral chip designers | 20:28 |
crimsun | oldude67: has nothing to do with ICH | 20:29 |
crimsun | oldude67: ICH is just a name for a particular chipset | 20:29 |
crimsun | you can implement HDA codecs on just about any chipset | 20:29 |
crimsun | Analog Devices was the first; it hooked an HDA into a legacy mainboard system | 20:29 |
crimsun | that was a nightmare. | 20:29 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Another one to watch out for, I don't know if you've already hit - my case came with two plugs for the lead to the front panel - one was HD-audio, the other was legacy-audio - I bet 50% of home built machines have the wrong one in the board | 20:30 |
crimsun | penguin42: I don't know what you mean by that | 20:34 |
bjsnider | penguin42, i know what you mean by that | 20:35 |
bjsnider | crimsun, sorry, i didn't mena that to sound flippant | 20:35 |
penguin42 | crimsun: I bought a case and motherboard on my new machine separately; the sockets on the back are soldered directly to the motherboard; but the board also has an 8ish pin header for audio; the case has a lead for the two jacks on the front of the case - this lead has two different 8ish pin plugs on it to go in said socket in motherboard | 20:35 |
bjsnider | penguin42, you have to know what you're doing when you assemble the hardware | 20:36 |
bjsnider | and the bios settings have top be correct. there's nothing crimsun can do about that kind of situation | 20:36 |
penguin42 | bjsnider: Well yes :-) That was the only thing which caused me to have to think, hadn't seen that before - and there was a cryptic badly labelled diagram on a 1x4cm piece of paper inside the case bag with the screws | 20:37 |
bjsnider | pengqthey are always badly labelled and documented. it's a consequence of this stuff all coming out of the little dragons | 20:37 |
penguin42 | bjsnider: It took me about 15mins of looking at that, together with the wiring and comparing it to the slightly better drawn diagram in the motherboard manual | 20:38 |
bjsnider | those are situations where you have both ac97 and hda hardware ont he same board and you are presented with a choice | 20:38 |
crimsun | penguin42: yes, those are compatibility toggles | 20:39 |
penguin42 | is there any sane reason why they decided to wire the two differently? | 20:39 |
bjsnider | why even offer both options? | 20:40 |
bjsnider | obviously everybody's going to pick hda | 20:40 |
crimsun | no, not everyone | 20:40 |
crimsun | the HDA feature set is unspecified | 20:40 |
bjsnider | and the headers on the board are side by side and poorly labelled | 20:40 |
billybigrigger | <bjsnider> billybigrigger, you got a black screen after installing the 195 driver? | 20:40 |
crimsun | it's completely up to the codec and controller manufacturer(s) to write that | 20:40 |
billybigrigger | bjsnider, you have a workaround? | 20:41 |
penguin42 | do they have presence detect for the sockets and do they come through to the software ? | 20:41 |
bjsnider | billybigrigger, possibly. have you got a console? | 20:41 |
crimsun | in HDA, all jack detection is done in software | 20:41 |
crimsun | in AC'97, it's unspecified | 20:41 |
crimsun | (can be hw or sw) | 20:42 |
penguin42 | how can the sw do it? | 20:42 |
billybigrigger | bjsnider, i'm in x now, using the vesa driver | 20:42 |
bjsnider | i just think the choice of the two adds an unnecessary layer of confusion and opportunity for mistakes | 20:42 |
crimsun | penguin42: you write a callback in the driver that reads a NID | 20:42 |
penguin42 | NID? | 20:42 |
crimsun | node id | 20:42 |
penguin42 | is that a register somewhere? | 20:43 |
crimsun | well, techincally it's a pin widget in a nid | 20:43 |
bjsnider | billybigrigger, open a console and type in dkms status | 20:43 |
crimsun | essentially, yes. | 20:43 |
billybigrigger | i think the dkms module installed fine, from when i upgraded from ppa | 20:43 |
billybigrigger | i could be wrong | 20:43 |
billybigrigger | nvidia, 190.53, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed | 20:43 |
bjsnider | let's make sure of that | 20:43 |
crimsun | bjsnider: of course, but that isn't a problem if your mainboard ships with an OS that supports only one of those feature sets | 20:43 |
penguin42 | anyone running kvm on Intrepid? | 20:43 |
crimsun | if, OTOH, you like to go poking in register space because your OS allows (perhaps even encourages) it, you can see all sorts of really screwed up OEM decisions | 20:44 |
bjsnider | crimsun, yes but my board is relatively new and has that option. surely xp/vista/win 7 can all run hda fine | 20:44 |
bjsnider | or maybe not | 20:44 |
crimsun | bjsnider: there are *tons* of mainboards that ship with them | 20:44 |
bjsnider | billybigrigger, i thought you'd installed the 195 driver | 20:45 |
billybigrigger | bjsnider, i thought i did too | 20:45 |
bjsnider | install nvidia-glx-195 | 20:45 |
bjsnider | i'm not 100% sure the 190 driver works | 20:45 |
bjsnider | crimsun, that ship with both ac97 and hda? | 20:46 |
billybigrigger | hmm | 20:46 |
billybigrigger | 190 was installed | 20:46 |
billybigrigger | installing 195 now | 20:46 |
billybigrigger | 195.30-0ubuntu1 | 20:46 |
bjsnider | afterwards make sure the 195 module is installed by re-running the dkms command | 20:47 |
billybigrigger | will i loose vdpau? | 20:47 |
billybigrigger | Removing nvidia-190-libvdpau | 20:47 |
bjsnider | you don't have it yet. not with vesa | 20:47 |
billybigrigger | i had it in 9.10 | 20:47 |
bjsnider | that package is deprecated | 20:47 |
bjsnider | libvdpau is now separate | 20:48 |
billybigrigger | this might be offtopic, but anyone know when vlc will have vdpau support built in? | 20:48 |
bjsnider | i'm working on it | 20:48 |
billybigrigger | nvidia, 195.30, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed | 20:48 |
bjsnider | i need to refresh ffmpeg but it's broken right now | 20:48 |
billybigrigger | aight, well that was simple enough, thanks bjsnider | 20:48 |
billybigrigger | will try a reboot | 20:48 |
bjsnider | enable it in the xorg.conf file | 20:48 |
billybigrigger | nvidia right | 20:48 |
billybigrigger | not nv | 20:49 |
bjsnider | right | 20:49 |
BUGabundo | I wish pidgin allowed to change nick collours | 20:49 |
BUGabundo | having billybigrigger in PINK sucks :( | 20:49 |
* billybigrigger still wonders why "nvidia" was commented out on my upgrade | 20:49 | |
billybigrigger | yeah, pink isn't my color | 20:49 |
billybigrigger | anywho | 20:49 |
billybigrigger | brb, i hope | 20:49 |
bjsnider | works for everybody else | 20:50 |
billybigrigger | alt-k-sysreq won't do for this change will it? i need a complete reboot | 20:50 |
billybigrigger | nvm, dumb question | 20:50 |
bjsnider | i might even flea power the thing | 20:50 |
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crimsun | bjsnider: yes | 20:57 |
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bjsnider | i still don't see why OS feature support would be an issue this many years after hda's creation | 21:01 |
billybigrigger_ | bjsnider, still booting to low graphics mode | 21:01 |
billybigrigger_ | using "nvidia" driver | 21:01 |
billybigrigger_ | dkms status reports installed | 21:01 |
bjsnider | anything crazy in your xorg.conf file? | 21:01 |
billybigrigger_ | yeah | 21:02 |
billybigrigger_ | segfault after loading "ramdac" | 21:02 |
billybigrigger_ | ill paste | 21:02 |
bjsnider | you didn't use the nvidia-xconfig command way back when did you? | 21:02 |
billybigrigger_ | nope | 21:03 |
billybigrigger_ | maybe back in karmic | 21:03 |
billybigrigger_ | sudo nvidia-xconfig, had to run it as root to get it to save my config, running dual monitors | 21:03 |
bjsnider | that command should never be used | 21:03 |
billybigrigger_ | well i was in karmic, only my 1 display works now | 21:04 |
bjsnider | it creates a parochial xorg.conf | 21:04 |
billybigrigger_ | start with a skeleton xorg then is what your saying? | 21:04 |
bjsnider | just use mine | 21:04 |
bjsnider | let me see yours first | 21:04 |
billybigrigger_ | k, throw me a link | 21:04 |
billybigrigger_ | you want my log and .conf? or just my .conf? | 21:04 |
bjsnider | .conf | 21:04 |
billybigrigger_ | http://pastebin.com/f16c69a61 | 21:05 |
BluesKaj | bjsnider, i have the 190 driver with 7600gt card | 21:05 |
crimsun | bjsnider: life sucks. Such is the life of a hardware enabler/kernel hacker. | 21:06 |
crimsun | actually life doesn't suck, but it sure makes one wonder WTH OEMs are smoking | 21:06 |
bjsnider | billybigrigger, it says update-manger commented stuff out during an upgrade | 21:07 |
bjsnider | bilylet's just try a basic one and see if the driver works. then you can try to rebuild the dual monitors thing afterwards, k? | 21:07 |
bjsnider | billybigrigger, http://pastebin.com/d580677db | 21:09 |
bjsnider | very simple file | 21:09 |
bjsnider | crimsun, i'm going to call the CEO of the creative corporation and say "daniel t. chen would like to know what you're smoking, sir" | 21:10 |
crimsun | bjsnider: I and many others have already corresponded with their engineering dept | 21:11 |
crimsun | i.e., "if you sign an NDA, we'll give you data sheets" | 21:11 |
bjsnider | if there was a programmer's union, and its policy was that no members would ever sign an NDA... | 21:13 |
crimsun | many of us don't sign NDAs for other reasons | 21:13 |
penguin42 | although in their case I suspect it's their problem, with some vendors the problem is that they've licensed hardware from other people | 21:13 |
crimsun | nearly all the components are subcontracted these days | 21:14 |
bjsnider | well, creative does pay for a DTS license i think | 21:14 |
billybigrigger_ | bjsnider, i still get low graphics mode from your xorg.conf | 21:24 |
billybigrigger_ | but i think that's because we didn't define any resolutions | 21:24 |
bjsnider | ok, where's the log? | 21:25 |
billybigrigger_ | it's different errors nwo | 21:25 |
billybigrigger_ | now | 21:25 |
billybigrigger_ | but ill paste it | 21:25 |
billybigrigger_ | http://pastebin.com/f2999b0ba | 21:25 |
bjsnider | billybigrigger, lines 26 and 27 | 21:26 |
bjsnider | you put a number 0 in there when it shouldn't be | 21:27 |
* penguin42 wonders if there is a way to stop screenlock during fullscreen flash | 21:27 | |
billybigrigger_ | bjsnider, all is good now | 21:30 |
bjsnider | yeah, so now you can try to get that dual monitors setup put back, possibly with nvidia-xconfig, but if it doesn't work you'll know why | 21:31 |
billybigrigger_ | i can just add it what i want my hand i guess | 21:32 |
billybigrigger_ | if you say nvidia-xconfig should never be used | 21:32 |
bjsnider | they don't document when they make changes to it | 21:32 |
bjsnider | so maybe it works, maybe not | 21:32 |
bjsnider | but you can always go back to the simple xorg.conf if it doesn't (which jockey creates if you use that) | 21:33 |
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billybigrigger_ | don't even know what jockey is | 21:41 |
bjsnider | the "hardware drivers" administrative program | 21:42 |
billybigrigger_ | ahh | 21:42 |
bjsnider | BluesKaj, you're using the 190 driver with lucid? | 21:52 |
BluesKaj | yes | 21:52 |
BluesKaj | on my desktop | 21:53 |
bjsnider | where did you get the driver? | 21:53 |
BluesKaj | launchpad ppa i think | 21:53 |
bjsnider | so it's not the driver in the lucid repos | 21:53 |
BluesKaj | bjsnider, might be now, not sure | 21:57 |
BUGabundo | what's the package that has PDF printing support that replace cups-pdf ?? | 22:00 |
BluesKaj | bjsnider, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa | 22:05 |
penguin42 | hmm, so I've got the current Lucid upgrade in - but there isn't actually much noticeably different - is there anything cute/new/worth noticing? | 22:58 |
billybigrigger_ | what's up with the notification bubble? | 23:02 |
bjsnider | not for a couple of weeks | 23:02 |
bjsnider | there hasn't really been an autosync with upstream debian yet | 23:02 |
bjsnider | the multimedia packages can't be refreshed because ffmpeg is broken | 23:03 |
billybigrigger_ | mine has like an orange grid around it and some weird blue writing at the top, low - report incorrect urgency? | 23:03 |
bjsnider | i think that's a known issue | 23:03 |
billybigrigger_ | http://imagebin.ca/view/gpO0b2g.html | 23:04 |
billybigrigger_ | known ^^^ | 23:04 |
Ng | crimsun: thank you very much, pylint is now functioning normally :D | 23:10 |
yofel | penguin42: if you want something new and shiny use kde, but other than that there isn't much new in lucid yet afaik | 23:14 |
yofel | ah, we do have plymouth in the repos | 23:15 |
cdE|Woozy | which isn't working atm :) | 23:15 |
yofel | heh | 23:15 |
penguin42 | yofel: Hohum, I'm running the xorg-edgers set for Lucid anyway and that's getting me working Radeon 3d with kms (on a 33rc2 kernel) so I'm happy | 23:16 |
crimsun | Ng: excellent | 23:17 |
yoasif | there's a new kernel with more fixes and breakage | 23:19 |
yoasif | ;) | 23:19 |
penguin42 | yoasif: It's always good to have a bit of variety! | 23:20 |
yoasif | heh yeah | 23:20 |
yoasif | the mainline kernel added suspend for my laptop | 23:20 |
yoasif | but the ubuntu kernel removed support for my webcam | 23:20 |
crimsun | get that webcam support merged into mainline, then | 23:21 |
penguin42 | yoasif: If an ubuntu kernel broke it then thats a bug - it might be possible to find which patch broke it | 23:21 |
yoasif | penguin42: the mainline kernel doesn't have support for the webcam, but the karmic kernel did | 23:21 |
penguin42 | ah | 23:22 |
yoasif | need to report that asap, reported the suspend issue already | 23:25 |
sebsebseb | hi | 23:25 |
yoasif | hi | 23:25 |
sebsebseb | yoasif: hi | 23:26 |
penguin42 | yoasif: Suspend is black magic; 5th circle of hell; one down from hibernation | 23:26 |
yoasif | penguin42: it's supposed to work :P | 23:26 |
penguin42 | yoasif: So's the economy | 23:26 |
yoasif | thankfully it works in mainline now | 23:26 |
yoasif | so as long as ubuntu kernel devs remove their hack :) | 23:26 |
yoasif | penguin42: really? i thought it was more like a "hope it works, doesn't really matter too much if it does because the guys on top (who control it) will be ok anyway" | 23:27 |
penguin42 | yoasif: Well there are two forms of skeptical answer to this 1) There's no one really in control 2) The guys who package the kernels machines probably work great :-) | 23:28 |
yoasif | penguin42: the monied interests that elect politicians and finance wars and stuff, that's what i mean | 23:29 |
yoasif | there is no conspiracy because there doesn't need to be | 23:29 |
yoasif | interesting, PGO has been enabled in FF upstream in ff 3.7 | 23:31 |
penguin42 | PGO? | 23:31 |
yoasif | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520704 | 23:31 |
ubottu | Mozilla bug 520704 in Build Config "Build problems with libffi and PGO" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 23:31 |
penguin42 | what is PGO? | 23:32 |
BUGabundo | yoasif: not sure | 23:32 |
BUGabundo | I lost track | 23:32 |
yoasif | profile guided optimization, it should make firefox faster | 23:32 |
yoasif | supposedly one of the reasons that windows ff is faster than linux ff | 23:33 |
yoasif | my firefox is still lagging, but i have 100 tabs open | 23:33 |
yoasif | :/ | 23:33 |
bjsnider | chromium is the fastest i think i've used on linux | 23:34 |
penguin42 | ah ok, they'replaying that game | 23:34 |
yoasif | yeah chromium is fast | 23:34 |
bjsnider | and i like the each-page-is-its -own-thread philosophy | 23:34 |
* penguin42 hits yoasif with the 'you aren't supposed to keep the entire internet in your browser' trout | 23:34 | |
crimsun | penguin42: oh, can you verify that suspend and resume work properly with that patch? | 23:34 |
crimsun | penguin42: meaning "sound works properly with suspend-to-ram and resume" | 23:35 |
penguin42 | hmm, so assuming I haven't done anything I shoiuld just play some sound, suspend, resume and see if it still plays? | 23:36 |
crimsun | yes | 23:36 |
crimsun | I suspect that I'll need to modify my code sooner or later to pass a NID struct | 23:36 |
crimsun | (rather than just enabling powersavings for Front and PCM) | 23:36 |
yoasif | crimsun: my laptop's sound works great now... karmic was a great release, thanks for your help :) | 23:37 |
yoasif | any ideas on where to get some help with mplayer-nogui? | 23:37 |
crimsun | yoasif: which specific help? | 23:38 |
penguin42 | crimsun: OK, so I'm going to suspend and resume this box - if you're really lucky I'll keep my connection :-) | 23:38 |
crimsun | freenode has a ridiculously long timeout | 23:39 |
yoasif | crimsun: crackling with pulseaudio mostly, there were also some headphone autosense help | 23:39 |
crimsun | yoasif: are you using the pulse output or the alsa output (of mplayer)? | 23:39 |
crimsun | yoasif: and, autosense? | 23:39 |
yoasif | crimsun: currently using pulse... i think it has something to do with 5.1 surround sound | 23:40 |
penguin42 | crimsun: Looks good | 23:40 |
yoasif | vlc plays the file fine, but i don't know how to troubleshoot it | 23:40 |
crimsun | penguin42: excellent | 23:40 |
* crimsun cherrypicks and pushes | 23:41 | |
yoasif | anyone have any idea what may be happening here? http://pastebin.com/m10587f7 | 23:45 |
penguin42 | yoasif: Sure it's an MPEG2 stream? is it just an MPEG2 video rather than a transport stream etc | 23:46 |
yoasif | penguin42: supposedly it is x264 2pass @ 10050 Kbps | 23:47 |
yoasif | i can pull it up in vlc and see what it says | 23:47 |
yoasif | penguin42: vlc says it is avc1, with dts audio | 23:49 |
* penguin42 doesn't know what one of those is | 23:50 | |
yoasif | avc1 is h264, which should be supported by vdpau | 23:51 |
Sarvatt | yoasif: what command are you running it with? | 23:53 |
billybigrigger_ | yoasif, do you have a link to the video clip for us to test? | 23:53 |
yoasif | Sarvatt: just mplayer but i have a customized config file, one sec | 23:53 |
yoasif | Sarvatt: config file: http://pastebin.com/m6faa6810 | 23:54 |
yoasif | billybigrigger_: i can try to create one using avidemux i think | 23:54 |
BUGabundo | hey Sarvatt | 23:55 |
billybigrigger_ | yoasif, vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffvc1vdpau, | 23:56 |
Sarvatt | heyo BUGabundo! | 23:56 |
billybigrigger_ | is all i have in my ~/.mplayer/config | 23:56 |
billybigrigger_ | mind you now that i think of it, if i use mplayer, it's smplayer (front end) | 23:56 |
billybigrigger_ | mostly vlc though | 23:57 |
bjsnider | yoasif, is this a trusted fie? i mean maybe it was ripped incorrectly | 23:57 |
yoasif | billybigrigger you think i should get rid of the -vo? | 23:57 |
billybigrigger_ | no, -vo specifies to use vdpau | 23:57 |
billybigrigger_ | have you tried smplayer? i use it for my hi def movies and uses smplayer fine, but it's just a front end...so something in your mplayer config is still wrong, as i think smplayer uses it's own config | 23:58 |
yoasif | hmm | 23:58 |
yoasif | alright, i'll give smplayer a shot | 23:58 |
bjsnider | gnome-mplayer is good too | 23:58 |
billybigrigger_ | bjsnider, is that the same as gmplayer? | 23:58 |
BUGabundo | lolol | 23:59 |
yoasif | bjsnider: gnome-mplayer was buggy for me when i used it : | 23:59 |
BUGabundo | so many names | 23:59 |
yoasif | :/ | 23:59 |
BUGabundo | mplayer, gmplayer, smplayer, totem, vlc | 23:59 |
BUGabundo | I use totem for most | 23:59 |
BUGabundo | vlc for FULL HD | 23:59 |
BUGabundo | and mplayer for quick debug | 23:59 |
* billybigrigger_ can't wait for vdpau in vlc | 23:59 |
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