[05:34] <seeker_> while runnig the instance using eucalyptus on Ubuntu, I am facing problem. Can some one help me in this?
[08:12] <jussi01> seeker_: best if you just state the problem and see...
[08:17] <seeker_> jussi01: I didn't get you
[08:17] <jussi01> seeker_: Dont use Pm ;) ANd just ask your question, and see if someone knows thew answer - how can we say we can help you if we dont know what the question is...
[08:18] <alkisg> !ask
[08:19] <seeker_>  when I type ec2-describe-availability-zones verbose, i am getting all 0/0 and no node is listed. Any help?
[08:19]  * alkisg wonders what amazon cloud has to do with edubuntu...
[09:19] <Guest19934> hey
[09:19] <alkisg> Ηι
[09:21] <Guest19934> i have to install edubuntu, is it ok doing that an an P2-266/96Mb Laptop? Sry this question, i can't find the minimum Hardware requirements as fast as i want.
[09:22] <Guest19934> Is it possible choosing gnome/kde desktop within the installer?
[09:22] <Guest19934> ...or xfce4?
[09:25] <Guest19934> *sry, "edubuntu+requirements" searching helps.
[09:25] <Guest19934> 256MB minimum.
[09:27] <Guest19934> bye
[15:27] <highvoltage> heh @ http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/love-and-hate-search-results/
[15:48] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:49] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
[15:55]  * alkisg has tried sharing the (ed)ubuntu live cd over nfs, it worked perfectly. I even timed it, and there was no significant time difference.
[15:56] <alkisg> (difference between 1=plain booting from the live cd, or 2=booting a "server" with the live cd, and then booting the client over nfs)
[15:56] <highvoltage> cool
[16:08] <highvoltage> our bug day is in about 2 weeks
[16:08] <highvoltage> I'd like to make some announcements and noise about it next week
[16:09] <highvoltage> I guess we could plan what we'll do at tomorrow night's meeting, but it would be good to think of some ideas in the meantime
[16:12] <alkisg> As it's holidays, and people don't read their emails often, it'd be better to make the announcement asap.
[16:13] <highvoltage> yep, I was just thinking it would be kind of useful to announce more or less what we'd do on the bug day
[16:13] <highvoltage> I guess the usual triaging, fixing, etc
[16:18] <alkisg> When are we going to have the first edubuntu Lucid alpha release?
[16:18] <alkisg> (do we have daily builds for testing?)
[16:19] <highvoltage> on january 14th with the Lucid alpha 2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[16:19] <highvoltage> builds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/
[16:20] <sbalneav> I need to release a new sabayon by then, and get one of you to sponsor it.
[16:20] <sbalneav> so we can get it in the alpha to test
[16:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: if you upload it to revu you can ping me and stgraber to review it
[16:20] <sbalneav> ok
[16:20] <sbalneav> will do.
[16:21] <alkisg> I'm going to install the edubuntu daily to my laptop, anything particular to look for?
[16:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and if you need any help with that then feel free to ping/harrass/etc
[16:21] <sbalneav> I think there's instructions for how to build a package from a git checkout, in terms of the naming.
[16:21] <sbalneav> I could just do that today.
[16:24] <highvoltage> cool
[16:31] <sbalneav> hm, I'll have to make a new upstream release.
[16:31] <sbalneav> Shhhhhoooooldnt be a problem for me.
[16:32] <sbalneav> Seeing as how I have all the keys to the barn on the gnonme side. :)
[16:36] <alkisg> Heh, gnome upstream first, motu after. Doesn't sound right... ;)
[16:40] <sbalneav> Well, I don't mean to put to fine a point on it.
[16:42] <sbalneav> But there's a little something wrong with Ubuntu's method when after a year's contribution to Gnome, I become upstream simply by asking one person, and Federico simply vouches for me, and that's it: I'm in, whereas after 4+ years contributing to Ubuntu, I still have to go before a panel of experts to prove my worth :)
[16:42] <sbalneav> But, the procedure is what the procedure is.
[16:43]  * alkisg thinks that sbalneav could have become a motu 4 years ago with no preperation at all :)
[16:48] <sbalneav> No, I tried
[16:49] <sbalneav> I was told I "wasn't ready yet"
[16:49] <alkisg> Ooooh :(
[16:50] <sbalneav> bbiab, off to make my kiddies some breakfast.
[16:50] <sbalneav> Then I'll get another sabayon out the door, and dump some stuff in REVU
[16:50] <alkisg> That was silly of them. You shouldn't *have* to know packaging to become a motu
[16:50] <alkisg> Knowing C should be enough...
[17:13] <highvoltage> alkisg: you don't have to know any C to become a MOTU
[17:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: and knowing how to package seems kind of imporant for giving someone rights to make changes to packages :)
[17:14] <alkisg> highvoltage: sure, maybe a phrased it wrong, I meant that sbalneav knows C, and that should be enough
[17:14] <alkisg> highvoltage: not really. He could work as part of a team.
[17:15] <highvoltage> I agree that sbalneav knows enough, I think once we get his packages in universe that should be enough motivation for the developer board to approve him
[17:15] <alkisg> E.g. sbalneav has been upstream for LTSP even before Ubuntu began its history...
[17:16] <alkisg> And, another member of the team, vagrantc, doesn't know any C at all but is a really good packager. That's what teams are for; not all should know the same stuff..
[17:19] <highvoltage> that still doesn't add much weight to that knowing C should be enough of a qualifier.
[17:19] <mhall119|work> what does knowing C have to do with being MOTU?
[17:20] <alkisg> sbalneav is upstream for sabayon. Another guy packaged it. Suppose sbalneav doesn't know anything about packaging, except for debuild and dput. Why wouldn't he be a MOTU?
[17:21] <alkisg> Isn't motu about being able to upload newer package versions? Is that ALWAYS related to packaging? Or some times it is about new features?
[17:22] <highvoltage> alkisg: if you haven't gotten much packaging experience, you can easily destroy many users' systems by uploading a bad package
[17:22] <alkisg> Well I suppose that any developer knows when he doesn't know enough about something and when he'd need help...
[17:22] <highvoltage> alkisg: in the past, some very big problems were even caused by experienced packagers, in short, you want someone who have at least taken the time to learn how to package and applied for upload rights
[17:22] <alkisg> So is motu mainly about packaging? Not about programming?
[17:23] <highvoltage> alkisg: yes
[17:23] <alkisg> Ah. A misunderstanding of mine, then :)
[17:23] <alkisg> Thanks for clearing it up :)
[17:24] <highvoltage> MOTU stands for Masters of The Universe, it's literally the people who take care of the packaging in the 'universe' section of ubuntu
[17:28] <alkisg> In my mind I had this scenario: "I'm a developer. I ask someone to package my program, and then I mainly change the changelog, or bump the standards versions, and I ask for help when I want to change something more. So I apply to be a MOTU to be able to upload newer versions of my program to universe".
[17:28] <alkisg> But I guess it goes like this: "I'm a developer. Either I learn *well* how to package on my own, or I find some MOTU to always do it for me".
[17:29] <alkisg> So in the LTSP example, vagrantc would be MOTU and upstream, and sbalneav would be "just" upstream. OK...
[17:41] <highvoltage> alkisg: yep, something like taht
[17:41] <highvoltage> alkisg: although vagrantc has debian upload rights iirc, so he can also upload to Debian and then it would land in Ubuntu
[17:41] <alkisg> Yeah it was just an example, "ignoring" vagrantc's relationship with Debian...
[17:41] <highvoltage> but if he wanted to change things in ubuntu directly he'd get his changes sponsored and if he wants to do so often, then a motu
[17:42] <alkisg> OK, I think I got it, thanks highvoltage :)
[18:57] <sbalneav> Back
[18:57] <highvoltage> Front
[18:57] <sbalneav> Side
[18:57] <highvoltage> Otherside
[18:57] <sbalneav> top
[18:58] <highvoltage> great, now I'm going to have red hot chilli peppers stuck in my head
[18:58] <sbalneav> What you got you got to get it put it in you
[18:58] <highvoltage> rofl
[18:58] <sbalneav> California rest in peace simultaneous release
[18:58] <highvoltage> the music video for that song is disturbing
[18:58] <stgraber> how, looks like we have a party in this chan ? :)
[18:58] <stgraber> *oh
[18:59] <sbalneav> Hey, I'm doing a simultaneous release now!
[18:59] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, yes. it's way too easy to get distracted :)
[18:59] <sbalneav> I'm gonna release an upstream rc candidate for Sabayon, then release a version to my ppa, and into revu! :)
[18:59] <sbalneav> uno momento
[18:59] <highvoltage> sbalneav: RHCP would be so proud
[19:00] <highvoltage> btw, feel free to add comments or questions etc at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Specifications/LucidNetbookOption
[19:18] <alkisg> Looks good...
[21:55] <alkisg> I'm trying the edubuntu Lucid daily build. Note #1: it doesn't autologin, and, as the "ubuntu" user doesn't even exist, it doesn't login either. I'll create a user to continue...
[22:03] <alkisg> Ugh, after creating a user and killing gdm and X a few times I was able to login
[22:09] <sbalneav> You know, the older I get, the less tolerant i become of people who do not seem to be able to spend 10 seconds to pop a few search terms into google.
[22:09] <alkisg> sbalneav: nah moldy is OK. It's not like he was asking for something trivial..
[22:10] <alkisg> You *did* remember part of the answer to google it, right? ;)
[22:10] <sbalneav> No, my search terms were:
[22:11] <sbalneav> ltsp-discuss display on all terminals
[22:11] <alkisg> Wow... I wouldn't bet on that giving results!
[22:11] <sbalneav> and it's like the first link.
[22:12] <alkisg> I'd put something with XAUTHORITY there to make sure!
[22:13] <sbalneav> But, you see, that's what I find aggrivating.  If people came in and said "You know, I've googled around for the following terms and haven't found anything, and looked back at the last year of ltsp-discuss archives, and didn't find anything, can someone help?" it's like "Sure!  I'll help!
[22:14] <alkisg> Oooouch I wouldn't want you as my employer :P Com'on, we've dealt with worse cases in the past! ;)
[22:15] <alkisg> I do hope they (=Lns + modly) get tcm-ng up and going, though, it has great potential...
[22:16] <alkisg> Note #2: we should really ditch that Programming > Qt3 assistant somehow...
[22:17] <sbalneav> Sure.  But it's like, people seem to miss the entire POINT of the internet, an mailing list archives, and... everything.  They don't seem to get that the whole POINT of archiving information is... so that you can SEARCH it for the answer at some point in the future.  It's like someone wandering into here and saying "So, can someone tell me what's edubuntu's focus
[22:17] <sbalneav> ?
[22:17] <sbalneav> I'm just grumpy today
[22:17] <sbalneav> ignore me.
[22:17] <alkisg> Sure, you got a point
[22:19] <sbalneav> My lucid virtualbox is updating.
[22:19] <alkisg> It's just that we've had worse cases, and even then you were helpful... so don't try to sound too harsh ;)
[22:19] <alkisg> Back to Qt3 assistant, I think that ancient stuff is pulled from qcad docs, maybe we could ship qcad without its docs?
[22:20] <sbalneav> Well, either that, or can we fix qcad's docs packaging so it doesn't import the assistant?
[22:21] <sbalneav> lemme look at the deps...
[22:21] <alkisg> It uses it to display them. I don't know nothing about qt3/4 so I don't know if there's a qt4 version available...
[22:22] <sbalneav> Wonder what the docs are in?
[22:22] <sbalneav> are they docbook, or something else?
[22:22]  * alkisg looks...
[22:23] <sbalneav> they look like they're just HTML
[22:23] <sbalneav> couldn't we just depend on one of the meta-programs like "html-viewer"?
[22:23] <alkisg> "this manual was created with manstyle"
[22:25] <sbalneav> ah, I see
[22:25] <alkisg> It looks like it's their own product?
[22:25] <sbalneav> qcad itself's a QT program
[22:26] <alkisg> Ah maybe we can hide the menu with edubuntu-menus, and be done with it :P
[22:26] <alkisg> It's really ugly to have a "programming" menu with just an unusable qt3 assistant in there...
[22:27] <sbalneav> Yeah, I'd say an override on the menu would be the best way to go.
[22:27] <sbalneav> some xdg magic, maybe?
[22:27] <alkisg> I think we'll ship edubuntu-menus by default, won't we?
[22:27] <alkisg> So in the default profile, we could have the assistant hidden...
[22:30] <alkisg> "Kalzium" is in the "Science" menu, and "Kalgebra" in "Education"? weird...
[22:32] <alkisg> And "Kanagram" and "Khangman" are in both education and games...
[22:34] <sbalneav> yeah, the menus need some love
[22:52] <sbalneav> OK, time to cook a new sabayon release
[23:35] <sbalneav> highvoltage: pingity
[23:35] <sbalneav> stgraber: pongity