[10:58] <huats> hey everyone
[11:44] <bittin_> hello
[14:37] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i actually don't recall what the final verdict was on that
[14:37] <bratsche> Hey kenvan, how was your holiday?
[14:37] <kenvandine> hey, pretty good... and your's bratsche?
[14:38] <kenvandine> i've been driving 2 hours back and forth to the hospital :/
[14:38] <bratsche> kenvandine: Oh man, I'm sorry.  That sucks. :/
[14:39] <kenvandine> yeah.. good news is she is still alive :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> and stable, we just have to hope she can make it until the 6th when they can operate
[14:40] <kenvandine> but we made she we focused on the kids for christmas, and not her... that is how she would want it
[14:40] <kenvandine> so xmas was great with the kids :)
[14:40] <bratsche> Nice.
[14:40] <kenvandine> bratsche, have you been able to work on the gtk problems?
[14:40] <kenvandine> or other bugs introduced by rgba on by default :)
[14:41] <bratsche> No, I was focusing on other stuff but I'm going to switch back to rgba stuff now.
[14:41] <kenvandine> ok
[14:41] <kenvandine> good
[14:41] <bratsche> The rgba code won't make it into 2.20 though.
[14:41] <kenvandine> :)
[14:41] <kenvandine> :(
[14:41] <kenvandine> bummer
[14:41] <kenvandine> client side decorations?
[14:42] <bratsche> Because that comes out in like a few days, and we're still blocking on window manager hint spec stuff.
[14:43] <bratsche> c-s-d still has some other bugs in it, so that won't be in 2.20.
[14:43] <kenvandine> ok
[14:43] <kenvandine> so are we planning to distro patch it then?
[14:44] <bratsche> I'd like to distro patch the rgba stuff at least.  I want to get the WM hint spec passed and get upstream approval for it, then distro patch it.
[14:44] <bratsche> Honestly, the c-s-d is the less important thing to get and it's also the bigger change and the more intrusive change.
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine: would there be an appropriate place for a discussion on what should happen after exiting your preferred IM client?
[14:52] <kenvandine> probably on that old bug
[14:52] <kenvandine> or the ayatana mailing liust
[14:52] <kenvandine> list
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> ok
[14:57] <kenvandine> thx
[15:38] <real_ate> hi everyone... I'm working on an application that will be using the new implementation of the Ubuntu Application Indicators but i've run into some problems
[15:38] <real_ate> if i copy the python code found on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[15:39] <real_ate> i get an error ** (test.py:22994): WARNING **: Unable to create Ayatana Watcher proxy!  Could not get owner of name 'org.ayatana.indicator.application': no such name
[15:39] <real_ate> and nothing happens
[15:55] <kenvandine> real_ate, i am not an expert
[15:56] <kenvandine> real_ate, but i think that means you either don't have all the necessary deps installed or it isn't running
[15:58] <real_ate> kenvandine: hmm... well I'm pretty certain that I have all the right deps because I've added the ppa that the page tells you to add
[15:59] <kenvandine> do you have libappindicator0 installed?
[15:59] <kenvandine> and have you restarted your session?
[15:59] <real_ate> i haven't restarted my session
[15:59] <kenvandine> ah... you need to
[15:59] <real_ate> thats probably it ;) brb
[15:59] <kenvandine> :)
[15:59] <kenvandine> it starts some services are needed
[16:02] <real_ate> kenvandine: thanks ;) its beautiful!
[16:02] <kenvandine> great
[16:02] <kenvandine> what are you working on?
[16:03] <real_ate> just one of my little crazy ideas ;) have you ever used apt-chacher ?
[16:03] <kenvandine> nope
[16:04] <real_ate> simple idea... its like an apt proxy that you put on your local network that caches any packages that you download
[16:04] <kenvandine> ah
[16:04] <kenvandine> ok
[16:04] <kenvandine> and there is a gtk ui?
[16:04] <real_ate> nope, not yet ;)
[16:06] <real_ate> i want to turn the script at the bottom of this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server#Use%20as%20a%20proxy%20to%20APT into a little system tray applet
[16:07] <real_ate> simple enough idea but will make a huge difference for people who are afraid of the command line ;)