[00:45] <EagleScreen> hi
[00:46] <EagleScreen> you could consider an amarok 2.2.2 package for Kubuntu karmic + KDE 4.3.4, i have built it sucessfully
[00:49] <Riddell> EagleScreen: isn't the latest 2.2.1.90 ?
[00:49] <EagleScreen> it depends in kde 4.3.85
[00:50] <EagleScreen> most people do not want to install kde 4.3.85
[00:50] <EagleScreen> it is as it had be built for lucid
[00:51] <EagleScreen> i have just rebuilt the same package agains a karmic chroot and it works
[00:51] <Riddell> the trouble is we don't have a suitable PPA, and people get confused by the number of PPAs we have already
[00:51] <EagleScreen> i think it should go in beta-backports
[00:52] <Riddell> beta backports has KDE 4.4 beta in it
[00:52] <EagleScreen> ups
[00:53] <EagleScreen> then in kubuntu backports ppa
[00:53] <EagleScreen> when it reaches final 2.2.2 may be
[00:53] <Riddell> yes that would be ok
[00:53] <Riddell> or even real backports
[00:54] <EagleScreen> but i do not understand why it depends on kde 4.3.85 if it is suposed to be built for karmic
[00:54] <Riddell> it's built against the packages in the PPA
[00:54] <EagleScreen> yes, i see
[00:54] <EagleScreen> how do you do it?
[00:55] <EagleScreen> does pbuild or soyuz support ppa "distro releases"?
[00:56] <Riddell> EagleScreen: how do you mean?
[00:58] <EagleScreen> how do you build a package against a PPA distro? as I know, pbuilder or soyuz only build for official releases (karmic, squeeze, hardy, unstable...)
[00:58] <Riddell> you can change your sources.list in the pbuilder to include the PPA
[00:58] <Riddell> and when uploading to the PPA it'll build against the packages in the PPA
[00:58] <nixternal> EagleScreen: you don't build against the ppa, the package can leverage other packages in the ppa for build depends...
[00:59] <EagleScreen> okay, then, you add your ppa to pbuilder config for karmic
[01:00] <EagleScreen> then if you run a sudo pbuilder update, is karmic updated with ppa packages or what?
[01:02] <EagleScreen> if I had kde packages 4.5.85 in my ppa, will soyuz build amarok for kdelibs 4.3.85 in place of 4.3.2 for karmic?
[01:02] <Riddell> EagleScreen: yes
[01:02] <Riddell> to both
[01:03] <EagleScreen> to both?
[01:03] <Riddell> both questions
[01:03] <EagleScreen> oh okay
[01:03] <EagleScreen> need to sleep now
[01:04] <EagleScreen> thanks, see you tomorrow
[01:09] <crimsun> psst, it's ScottK's birthday today
[01:12] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, hi :D I am currently looking into bugzilla <-> launchpad integration task for kubuntu, would you like to give me any advice on what should I be doing? Do i need a dev account to do so
[01:23] <shtylman> I wants my kubuntu menu icon back :(
[01:24] <shtylman> I don't think upgrading karmic to kde4 betas was a good idea
[01:24] <shtylman> something is now using 100% cpu :)
[01:26] <shtylman> konversation uses 100% cpu :)
[01:26] <shtylman> maybe a qt bug?
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> using monospaced font for the chatview is a workaround, iirc
[01:30] <shtylman> yea that worked
[01:30] <shtylman> weird
[01:31] <DaskrEEch> Kopete uses 100% CPU if I mouse over it
[01:33] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: has that bug been reported? or is it no longer a problem with latest kde trunk?
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> It's been reported at the Qt bugtracker
[01:34] <shtylman> so it is a qt thing?
[01:35] <shtylman> man..I really hate the new notification crap
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> yea
[01:36] <shtylman> its very annoying to clear them now
[01:36] <shtylman> and when many apps add notifications that little slider overflows
[01:39] <shtylman> kubuntu qa widget doesn't work :(
[01:45] <Quintasan> hmm anyone of you can help me a little bit with perl script for irssi?
[01:46] <shtylman> don't know perl :/
[01:46] <Quintasan> urgh, at least I think the problem is a regexp inside the script
[01:47] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.ca/1730146
[01:47] <Quintasan> :S
[01:47] <shtylman> whats the problem?
[01:47] <Quintasan> it says that amarok is not working while I' listening music now
[01:48] <Quintasan> oh wait, actually dbus fails to get called
[01:48] <Quintasan> :/
[01:48] <Quintasan> Could not connect to D-Bus server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: /bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed
[01:49] <shtylman> could be a problem
[01:49] <Quintasan> I wonder why, localhost works fine, when called over ssh it fails
[01:50] <shtylman> do you need the -X flag to ssh?
[01:50] <shtylman> for x11...
[01:51] <shtylman> I dunno if your qdbus command is trying to do some gui stuff
[01:55] <Quintasan> shtylman: on my local box this command just displays a string in cli
[01:55] <Quintasan> shtylman: -X flag doesn't help
[01:55] <shtylman> gotcha
[01:59] <Quintasan> damn
[02:04] <shtylman> does autologin work for anyone else in 4.4 b2?
[02:15] <DaskrEEch> Isn't it -x ?
[02:19] <shtylman> on another note... I like the new quadros wallpaper ...
[02:29] <shtylman> digikam dies :(
[02:32] <shtylman> ScottK:
[02:32] <shtylman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:32] <shtylman>   digikam: Depends: libkdcraw8 but it is not going to be installed
[02:32] <shtylman>            Depends: libkipi7 but it is not going to be installed
[02:32] <shtylman> im using the beta ppa
[02:33] <DaskrEEch> What's your policy for kipiplugins ?
[02:33] <shtylman> ?
[02:33] <DaskrEEch> apt-cache policy kipiplugins ?
[02:34] <shtylman> unable to locate package
[02:36] <shtylman> I just forced a few upadates...I think it just failed to upgrade some stuff
[02:37] <shtylman> I still don't have kipiplugins
[02:51] <ScottK> shtylman: Something didn't get rebuilt with the new kdegraphics libs.
[02:51] <shtylman> ScottK: :(
[02:52] <ScottK> shtylman: Force install libkdcraw8 and see what it wants to uninstall.
[02:53] <shtylman> yea
[02:53] <shtylman> I installed that
[02:53] <ScottK> What got kicked out?
[02:54] <shtylman> don't remember ... :/ that was a while back... but im installing showfoto now
[02:54] <shtylman> I noticed in aptitude that a few things didn't install
[02:54] <shtylman> and im installing the dbg packages just in case
[02:54] <ScottK> Back later.
[03:32] <shtylman> kipi-plugins isn't available... that seems to be the problem...
[03:32] <DaskrEEch> Uh huh
[03:32] <DaskrEEch> I have somewhat the same issue
[04:14] <ScottK> That'd need to be uploaded to the PPA to build against 4.4
[04:17] <shtylman> is someone on that?
[04:29] <ScottK> Not as far as I know.
[04:34] <shtylman> k
[04:34] <shtylman> can we pull the ones from lucid? cause those seem to work fine
[04:35] <ScottK> I haven't been keeping track of the changes that need to be made to go from lucid to karmic.
[04:36] <shtylman> ahh
[04:36] <shtylman> I guess its not a big focus anyhow
[04:42] <ScottK> Not for me anyway
[04:42] <ScottK> nixternal: Getting louder over there?
[05:19] <nixternal> don't hear anything
[05:19] <nixternal> it is warmer in here though
[05:19] <ScottK> ;-)
[05:20] <ScottK> Stuff is compiling.
[05:20] <nixternal> System load: 1.72
[05:20] <nixternal> hrmm, it is actually fairly quiet
[05:21] <nixternal> kdevelop(7396)/kio (KDirListerCache) KDirListerCache::slotFileDirty: forgetting about individual update to "/home/nixternal/.zhistory"
[05:21] <nixternal> kdevelop(7396)/kio (KDirListerCache) KDirListerCache::updateDirectory: KUrl("file:///home/nixternal")
[05:21] <nixternal> that sounds a bit unnecessary to me
[05:21] <nixternal> why does kdevelop care that I did 'ls' in a terminal?
[05:22] <ScottK> Seems OK speed wise too.
[05:29] <nixternal> 667MHz G4, quite ancient
[05:29] <nixternal> it has 1.25GB of ram, which I think I pieced together from spare parts I found around here
[05:30] <nixternal> I got it free a few years back..I tried OS X, realized it was not my cup of soup....used it for Debian for a few months, then finally decomissioned it until today
[05:54] <DaskrEEch> When you decide that yo uwant to kill it?
[06:13] <nixternal> would be nice if this thing had wake on lan, then you could shut it off when you were done with it, and start it up when you were ready to play again :)
[06:14] <nixternal> never noticed how noisy this thing was before
[06:15] <nixternal> anywho, to bed I go...g'nite
[08:30] <jussi01> Just a quick question, is kpackagekit's non handling of sun licenses going to be fixed for lucid? ie. is it planned?
[10:50] <Nightrose> happy birthday ScottK :)
[11:15] <ghostcube> ScottK: happy birthday o.o
[11:15] <ghostcube> we need a birthday calender in here
[11:15] <ghostcube> someone codes a birthday bot ?
[11:15] <ghostcube> :D
[12:16] <jussi01> ghostcube: please no more bots....
[12:16] <jussi01> if anything a plugin for kubotu...
[12:28] <ghostcube> jussi01: i was just joking :) but if someone can manage this
[12:29] <jussi01> ghostcube: I dont think its that useful, but meh
[12:29] <ghostcube> its like a weather bot funny for 3 weeks and then ...
[12:29] <ghostcube> :)
[12:30]  * jussi01 downloads lucid alternate for installing in virtualbox...
[12:30] <ghostcube> :O
[12:30] <ghostcube> hmmm i known i forgot something to install yesterday damn
[12:31] <ghostcube> virtualbox is missing on a friends pc heh i think he doesnt like this
[12:31] <ghostcube> :D
[14:10] <apparle> Who develops Kdelirc
[14:12] <apparle> I would like to write an extension for it
[14:18] <DaSKreeCH> apparle seems to do that a heck of a lot?
[14:18] <DaSKreeCH> that's the third time I've seen him (assuming him) login and ask something then insta logout
[15:03] <jussi01> DaSKreeCH: yeah, theres a few regular flyby'ers
[15:11] <DaSKreeCH> apparle: hi.
[15:14] <apparle> DaSKreeCH: hi
[15:19] <DaSKreeCH> apparle: Did you check the Authours file in SVN ?
[15:21] <apparle> DaSKreeCH: Nope...I don't know much abt this
[15:22] <DaSKreeCH> apparle: ok well head to http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE and find klirc
[15:23] <DaSKreeCH> You can see who has been commiting recently and get the e-mail addresses
[16:15] <ScottK> Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes.  I think it's safely over everywhere now.
[17:33] <RiotingPacifist> what is the ETA for nepomuk working in karmic?
[17:38] <DaSKreeCH> RiotingPacifist: Ask openlinks
[17:42] <jussi01> RiotingPacifist: when virtuoso release...
[17:43] <ejat> did someone working for kmymoney beta ?
[17:44] <ejat> i got issues while compiling it .. since it need to port to qt4
[17:44] <ejat> will glad if someone package it for kubuntu :)
[17:45] <nixternal> heh, how do I get pictures off my camera w/o digikam? I feel like a freakin' newb right now
[17:46] <ejat> nixternal: mount it manually ?
[17:46] <nixternal> guess so, I thought it would have popped up and told me I plugged it in
[17:47] <nixternal> thought it did that before...guess not
[17:47] <ejat> nixternal: should be if u choose the storage mode from the camera
[17:47] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:47] <_Groo_> i found another broken kde package in lucid, this time a kopete one
[17:47] <_Groo_> kopete-cryptography: Depends: libkleo4 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.3.85-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[17:48] <ejat> i think .. same goes to da hphone .. it will notify ...
[17:48] <_Groo_> also koffice-kde4 krita is still version 2.0.2 :(
[17:48] <_Groo_> i mean the entire koffice package in lucid is still old
[17:49] <ejat> anyone working to update the kopete-facebook package for kde sc 4.4 beta2 ?
[17:49] <jussi01> _Groo_: I think thats because of the main inclusion
[17:50] <_Groo_> jussi01: are you refering to koffice?
[17:50] <jussi01> yes
[17:50] <jussi01> its waiting on a mir iirc
[17:50] <_Groo_> also vlc needs to be updated to 1.0.4 in order to fix the kde over fullscreen bug
[17:50] <_Groo_> jussi01: waiting on a what? lol
[17:50] <jussi01> Main Inclusion Report
[17:51] <_Groo_> jussi01: ah ok
[17:51] <_Groo_> can someone take a look at kopete-cryptography then?
[17:55] <shtylman> what is all this with this steve guy?
[17:56] <shtylman> vorian I think
[17:56] <shtylman> what the hell happened?
[17:56] <Nightrose> a few things that weren't CoC compatible - nothing to loose sleep over now though as it is dealt with
[17:57] <shtylman> interesting
[17:57] <DaSKreeCH> nixternal: Gwenview can pull pics off
[17:57] <nixternal> I can't figure it out
[17:58] <ejat> DaSKreeCH: did it need to install the plugin ?
[17:59] <nixternal> oh, maybe I can now
[17:59] <nixternal> all of my kipi this and kipi that were busted
[18:00] <shtylman> yea
[18:00] <shtylman> my kipi stuff is borked as well
[18:00] <DaSKreeCH> Mine too
[18:04] <nixternal> hrmm...guess I will install f-spot then
[18:04] <shtylman> nooooooo
[18:05] <RiotingPacifist> jussi01: huh? isn't 5.0.12 already out?
[18:05] <nixternal> shtylman: what else can I use then?
[18:05] <shtylman> what are you trying to do?
[18:08] <nixternal> haha, I just installed the new kipi-plugins from lucid in karmic :)
[18:09] <nixternal> booyahzers
[18:09] <shtylman> nice
[18:09] <shtylman> I might have to do that :)
[18:09] <shtylman> you just got that deb file?
[18:09] <ScottK> _Groo_: We need to wait for a new kopete-cryptography release that works with 4.4 before we can fix it.
[18:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: ah ok
[18:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: the thing is, if lucid is kde 4.4 based, shouldnt the old packages be purged until they are upgraded?
[18:11] <ScottK> _Groo_: There isn't a really great way to do that.  Fundamentally the development release is only for testing and development, so if some stuff doesn't work, I think it's oK.
[18:12] <ScottK> nixternal: I fixed libsdl1.2 on powerpc.  I'll upload it shortly.  Thanks.
[18:12] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok :) ill keep bugging you guys :D how about vlc 1.0.4? from launchpad it should have been included in lucid already
[18:13] <ScottK> _Groo_: There should be a new kopete-cryptography release with 4.4 final.
[18:13] <nixternal> shit, digikam breaks
[18:14] <nixternal> DaSKreeCH: gwenview does not dl pics from a camera...if it does, it is a well hidden feature
[18:14] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok
[18:15] <ScottK> _Groo_: Both Ubuntu and Debian still have 1.0.3 vlc, why do you say it should be included already?
[18:15] <_Groo_> ScottK: cause 1.0.4 fixes the kde over vlc fullscreen bug
[18:16] <ScottK> Ah.  I guess it just needs someone to package it.
[18:17] <_Groo_> ScottK: i can do it and send to revu if you want
[18:18] <ScottK> _Groo_: For a new upstream release, just attach the .diff.gz to a bug and subsribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors.
[18:19] <ScottK> _Groo_: Even better, ping someone on pkg-multimedia and help them update it in Debian (perhaps siretart)
[18:19] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok
[18:26] <_Groo_> ScottK: i cant subscribe to ubuntu-universe-sponsors, i need to be added by an admin
[18:27] <ScottK> _Groo_: You can subscribe uus to the bug that has the diff.gz.
[18:27]  * ScottK is off for a while.
[18:27] <_Groo_> ScottK: ahhh ok
[18:27] <_Groo_> ScottK: cant i be added to ubuntu-universe-contributors?
[18:28] <_Groo_> ScottK: or revu-uploaders since i already upload to revu :P
[18:28] <txwikinger> _Groo_: I think ScottK meant to add ubuntu-universe-contributors to the bug report not to add yourself to ubuntu-universe-contributors
[18:28] <_Groo_> txwikinger: yeah i got it now...
[18:29] <_Groo_> debian = ubuntu = lots of bureacracy
[18:29] <txwikinger> well.. you need some checks and balances.. if you don't want that, I fear you need to do your own distro
[18:30] <jjesse> txwikinger: totally agree, no checks and balances and things go to chaos really quickly
[18:38] <ejat> my alt+f2 wont popup the run command .. where should i check ?
[18:39] <shtylman> ejat: rerun krunner
[18:39] <shtylman> (probly in a konsole)
[18:40] <ejat> shtylman: thanks ..
[18:40] <shtylman> np
[18:40] <ejat> wondering why it suddenly died
[18:40] <ejat> even i already restart the machine it wont run ..
[18:40] <shtylman> who knows... some bug most likely
[18:41] <shtylman> if it happens alot you could try running it in a debugger
[18:41] <_Groo_> txwikinger: i agree, but ubuntu could create a more loose revu/uploaders for the ocasional packager, like myself
[18:42] <ejat> ok .. my plasmoid also disappear .. then i need to add it back .. yeah .. maybe its a bug in kde sc 4.4 beta2
[18:42] <txwikinger> _Groo_: we have that... it is called a ppa
[18:42] <_Groo_> txwikinger: ¬¬
[18:42] <ghostcube> :)
[19:00] <_Groo_> is anyone looking at kdebindings for kde 4.4 beta 2? (lucid)
[19:14] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/4226262754/sizes/l/  <- 1 to 3 inches of snow
[19:16] <ghostcube> woha
[19:17] <Tm_T> only ~30 cm snow here ):
[19:17] <Tm_T> perhaps more but still not much
[19:17] <ghostcube> null here cause to warm
[19:26] <Quintasan> _Groo_: the debian dir for virtuoso you sent me is corrupted, at least it fails to extract
[19:27] <Quintasan> also, nice drama with Steve
[19:28] <_Groo_> Quintasan: it is? whats your email again, gonna resend
[19:28] <Quintasan> quintasan@kubuntu.org
[19:28] <_Groo_> Quintasan: very strange i checked it here before i sent it
[19:29] <_Groo_> Quintasan: im trying to make kdebidings for 4.3.85
[19:29] <Quintasan> don't waste your time now
[19:29] <Quintasan> if they don't build they wont :P
[19:30] <Quintasan> Lex79: did you try building kdebindings?
[19:31] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ok, sent.. try now.. but it IS working... its a tar.bz2 file
[19:34] <Quintasan> _Groo_: okay, thanks
[19:35] <_Groo_> i need to hangup see ya guys later
[21:11] <DaSKreeCH> nixternal: http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/
[21:12] <nixternal> yeah, I know about that...but it seems it is either a) not in our current release of gwenview, b) cannot be triggered manually, or c) not popping up teh notification when I attach my camera
[21:15] <ulysses__> the Time Lords returned \o/
[21:16] <DaSKreeCH> It's about time! Lord!
[21:17] <Quintasan> wut?
[21:17] <ulysses__> "For Gallifrey! For victory! For the end of time itself!"
[21:20] <nixternal> ScottK: are we doing that bzr merging/building crap now? want to make sure I am doing things right before committing anything...shit changes so frequently around here, I don't have time to keep up
[21:21] <ScottK> nixternal: For Kubuntu packages we are still just keeping debian dir in bzr (like the last couple of releases), but for merging in general, you need to use the bzr stuff since MoM is dead.
[21:21] <ScottK> You can build the package using it, but you still have to upload the source yourself.
[21:21] <nixternal> ahhh, ok that explains your email I read the other day then
[21:21] <nixternal> haha, I got a chuckle out of it, as I could tell you were a bit pissed
[21:22] <Lex79> Quintasan: yes, it was ftbs
[21:23] <Quintasan> Lex79: Groo wanted to do it very badly but I told him to stop wasting time :P
[21:24] <Lex79> Quintasan: it makes sense :D
[21:25] <Quintasan> grr when that damned virtuoso is going to get released
[21:25] <Lex79> dunno
[21:27] <Quintasan> FCKIN FLASH
[21:28] <Quintasan> damn it and I had sooo damn good tiles
[21:28] <Quintasan> how can this be, clicking stops working when I'm one tile awayfrom winning
[21:30] <DaSKreeCH> Quintasan: Ping overlinks and ask for a timeline once they have finished drinking
[21:30] <Quintasan> wait, what?
[21:31] <DaSKreeCH> Quintasan: the fine folks who have the final say on the release of virtuoso ?
[21:31] <DaSKreeCH> Would be a good set of people to ask for a timeline :)
[21:31] <Quintasan> oh
[21:31] <Quintasan> now that you mention it
[21:32] <Quintasan> I wonder who's responisble
[21:34] <DaSKreeCH> openlinkssw ?
[22:18] <shtylman> is quadros going to be the default wallpaper?
[22:18] <shtylman> for lucid?
[23:02] <shtylman> Riddell: is quadros wallpaper gonna be default in lucid?
[23:09] <Riddell> shtylman: nobody seems to like it, it's not a small job replacing it though, chosing artwork is tricky (everyone has an opinion) and stuff like the konqueror about page need updated too
[23:33] <shtylman> Riddell: really... noone likes it?
[23:33] <shtylman> I kinda like it :)
[23:34] <shtylman> so is that a yes or a no on default?
[23:34] <shtylman> I was just wondering if I should change the installer background to use it
[23:35] <Riddell> shtylman: it's too distracting.  I havn't seen anyone in here or in KDE channels who likes it
[23:35] <shtylman> gotcha
[23:35] <Riddell> I'd be tempted to use the circle one from 4.3 since it was never set to default for that
[23:36] <shtylman> yea...I like that one too
[23:36] <shtylman> so is pinheiro gonna make something else since no one likes it?
[23:37] <Riddell> I've not heard form upstream.  but no decision here yet, I think we should make a decision shortly after 4.4 is released since upstream could change it until then
[23:37] <shtylman> makes sense