[00:01] how do I start the gnome shell and exit safely? [00:01] gnome-shell --replace [00:01] metacity --replace [00:01] thanks [00:05] bjsnider: its saying some thing about Clutter requiring, version none I thought that 10.04 would have that and the user / tester would be able to test it with the command you said? [00:05] Is it a known problem like this: I get to the login screen on the live cd, click the default user and the screen flickers blank and I'm back at the login screen [00:05] Spirits-Sight, gnome-shell does not currently work in lucid AFAIK [00:06] bjsnider: thanks [00:06] OK I will have to wait to check out whats new huh? :( [00:06] it works in karmic [00:07] I know, I used it before, I wanted to see if they had changed any thing :-) [00:07] in a couple of weeks it will be refreshed i'm sure [00:07] coool [00:07] thanks [00:08] these are the holidays so developers are out holidaying and whatnot [00:08] true true [00:14] OMG why the hell doesn't Ubuntu come with an IRC client?!??!?!? [00:15] I have to use some silly webchat. [00:15] ubuntulog: don't be even more stupid.... [00:16] BUGabundo: I beg you're pardon? [00:16] ubnuut, it does ..quassel [00:16] there are so many IRC apps in the archive [00:16] There are no IRC clients on the ISO. [00:16] pidgin, xchat... [00:17] konversation [00:17] None of those come with Ubuntu. [00:17] irssi [00:17] ubuntulog: install one [00:17] so what? [00:17] ubnuut: theres empathy I believe [00:17] does the pidgin replacement not do irc? [00:17] it also doenst bring all languages [00:17] or full OOo [00:17] or codecs [00:17] or many games [00:18] so what's the prob? [00:18] empathy can be used as an IRC client [00:18] install one of your choice [00:18] or any of the restricted extras [00:18] I don't want to install an IRC client on a Live CD. [00:18] It should be there. [00:18] alex_mayorga: yes it can [00:18] or drivers that work with my video card =S [00:18] hmm, there's an argument that if there isn't an obvious irc client on the livecd it's a problem [00:18] A Live CD should include all the basic tools. [00:18] ubuntulog: I don't want to install Chromium, it should be there ... pfff [00:18] IRC is NOT a basic tool [00:19] BUGabundo: Ubuntu comes with a web browser. [00:19] penguin42: It seems not to. [00:19] ubnuut, quassel came with ky install, so dunno what install you used but.... [00:19] Empathy SHOULD allow IRC. [00:19] it does [00:19] err my [00:19] BUGabundo: It's pretty useful if people can get here or to #ubuntu if they're having a problem with an insta;; [00:19] BluesKaj: 9.10 [00:20] penguin42: most NEW users only know about Foruns [00:20] ubnuut, if you're on the livecd, and it does not have irc capability, then how are you in this room? [00:20] or better, about GOOGLE [00:20] and google will not point them to IRC [00:20] Does 10.04 alpha 1 bring anything new compared to 9.10? [00:20] bjsnider: Webchat [00:20] well, then i guess it kinda does have irc capability [00:20] alpha1 is old [00:20] bjsnider: Sure, let's remove OpenOffice and use Google Docs [00:20] check technical overview wiki page [00:21] BUGabundo: Really? I agree not newbie computer users, but possibly newbie linux users; I know plenty of non-linux ircers, and if you are having a problem with an install or the other use of a live cd - a rescue - then irc is very useful [00:21] ubuntulog: if you don't like , start a blueprint, purpose discussion, and take it to the UDS [00:22] BUGabundo, that's not his alias [00:22] lol [00:22] FAIL [00:22] I better go to bed then [00:22] I can't read my own screen [00:23] ubnuut: : if you don't like , start a blueprint, purpose discussion, and take it to the UDS [00:23] Rather than download Alpha 1, what image should I download to test 10.04? [00:23] Daily? [00:24] ubnuut: I would think so [00:24] !daily > ubnuut [00:24] ubnuut, please see my private message [00:24] as there are no hourly [00:24] alex_mayorga: touché [00:24] !daily > alex_mayorga [00:24] alex_mayorga, please see my private message [00:25] Is 10.04 going to get RGBA transparency glass windows? [00:26] BUGabundo, how do I force VESA on the daily CD? [00:26] alex_mayorga: Safe graphics mode [00:30] ubnuut: thanks, I'll try that [01:08] bjsnider: stop attempting to put words in my mouth [01:11] lolol [01:17] crimsun, sorry, i didn't think i was doing that === lenios_ is now known as lenios [03:40] My wacom graphire3 is acting funky. The hover over mouse stops working after I've clicked. Does anybody know how to fix this? [03:42] Does anybody think installing the xorg-xi2 ppa will help? [04:38] can anyone confirm https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/501208 [04:38] Ubuntu bug 501208 in software-center "During download row duplicates itself" [Undecided,New] [04:45] alex_mayorga: confirmed [04:46] thanks [04:47] other than that and the broken nvidia lucid is rock solid here [04:47] * alex_mayorga knoks on wood [04:47] nvidia is not precisely broken [04:48] all 3 drivers in the nvidia-vdpau ppa work fine [04:53] bjsnider I believe my card calls for 195, would it be messy later if I use the ppa for now? [04:54] you mean jockey is recommending the 195? [04:55] now, the page manufacturer recommnds [04:55] what? [04:56] jockey icon didn't appear after some reboots [04:56] let me go in the menu, see what it says [04:57] jockey recommends 185 [04:57] nvidia site says 195 [04:57] no, i don't think so [04:57] you're probably looking at the windows site [04:57] this card http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_230m_us.html [04:58] sorry is 190 [04:59] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_190.53.html [04:59] that has a purevideo generation 4 chip [05:00] that can do vdpau on practically any video type that you'll run into [05:00] if vdpau is your primary concern, go with the 195. if not, stick with the safe 190 choice [05:01] that chip can accelerate all mpeg4 including vc1/h264 and divx/xvid and also wmv3 and all mpeg2 [05:01] bjsnider, is it a bug that jockey suggests 185? [05:02] have you got an hdmi port on that laptop? [05:02] yes [05:02] awesome [05:02] 1 HDMI [05:02] so you could connect it to an hdtv and use it as an htpc [05:02] now I need a hdmi to rf adapter :) [05:02] no, you need an hdtv [05:02] that'd work too [05:03] does is have a bluray drive? [05:04] no, I don't think [05:05] here's some info http://3wg.blogspot.com/2009/12/either-vaio-vpccw1ffxl-lasts-one-month.html [05:05] well, anyway, add the ppa and update jockey and install the modaliases packages and then it will recommend the 195 driver [05:06] I don't support bluray or other encryption drmy stuff [05:07] bjsnider, I heard that would be on mainline on a couple of days, should I wait? [05:07] well it doesn't appear that you need to worry about that since i guess it doesn't have a bluray drive [05:08] it's up to you, if that's actually the case [05:08] bjsnider, do you have a win32 background? [05:08] how do you mean? [05:08] in the post to my blog there were a couple of problems I initally had with the machine on win7 [05:09] is it possible wubi caused them? [05:09] i troubleshoot windows machines for a living [05:10] had I known that I wouldn't have lost my vacation pics :( [05:11] could wubi have caused the unmountable boot volume? is that the question? [05:11] you can recover deleted data, even data from previous partitions [05:12] yes, yes and enlighten me I'd be so happy to recover my pictures [05:13] is there a recovery tool I can run from ubuntu itself? [05:13] how soon after you installed wubi did you get the unmountable boot volume error? [05:14] 2-3 days [05:14] howo many times did you boot successfully after you installed it? [05:15] once, then it got screwed by one bug, let me dig [05:18] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/477169 [05:18] Ubuntu bug 477169 in wubi "Wubi/Karmic boot: kernel panic - not synching: VFS" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:18] that's the wubi bug that bit me [05:19] then some days after win7 got screwy too [05:19] bjsnider, is there a tool I can use inside ubuntu to try recover my files? [05:20] nott hat i know of [05:20] do you still have windows 7 on there? [05:21] Will lynx ship flash 10.1? === ripps is now known as ripps|sleep [05:21] bjsnider: no I got rid of it and let ubuntu take the whole drive [05:22] ok, well we use a tool called diskinternals to recover data. it will cost you over $100 and you have to install it in windows [05:24] Theres no free alternative or at least a torrent with a cracked app? 100$ is alot to spend on a program.. [05:24] he still has the windows issue though [05:25] he has to install it there [05:26] plus he altered the nature of the warranty because the warranty guys will need windows there to do testing [05:26] those guys can't test for a live/dead lan card using linux. their decision trees are all using windows [05:27] ...and in all likelihood there was or is a ghost image on a hidden partition for recovery that he may have blown away by installing linux and repartitioning [05:30] is no big deal, I've already accepeted the loss [05:31] but in reality the files might be still "there" [05:31] testdisk maybe? [05:32] the files pretty much certainly are still there. they don't show up because the entries in the master file table, and indeed the entire mft itself is gone. but the ones and zeros on the drive itself are there [05:33] some sites suggest testdisk === croppa is now known as croppa_ === croppa_ is now known as croppa [09:19] morning [09:45] BUGabundo_work, here's one for ya :) [09:45] * cwillu_at_work huggles [09:46] (that wasn't it) [09:47] firefox, open a couple tabs, and kill it. Reopen it, and open some new tabs in addition to the "restore session" tab, which you should ignore for now. Kill it again [09:47] Previously, you would get a 'nested' session restore on the next run: restoring the session brings back the "restore session" tab with the session - 1 tabs. [09:47] This is a good thing. [09:48] Now, it seems to just repeat the outer session's tabs, which is definitely wrong. [09:48] Glitch, or repeatable on machines other than mine? [09:52] also, is there really no clock sync set up by default? [09:53] The problem with upgrading one's main system since warty is that one's main system doesn't get all the new config brokenness :p === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [10:38] hi cwillu_at_work [10:38] well i dont know [10:38] i dont use FF session manager [10:39] i use tabmixplus [10:39] never manage to get Session Manager stock to work jus ti like it [10:40] tabmixplus is just a frontend on the session manager afaik [10:40] * cwillu_at_work is referring to the crash handler [10:41] i.e., "kill" -> killall -KILL firefox [10:45] cwillu_at_work: TMP has it own handler, and crash recover [10:46] elky: LOLOL [10:46] elky: venting too much? [10:46] BUGabundo_work, intriguing. I'm tempted to ask if it actually works, but I have a particular usecase in mind for "works" [10:46] specifically, how does it handle 200-300 open tabs across a dozen or so windows? [10:47] (the default just "goes away" for 5-10 seconds each time it saves state, which is less than ideal) === Evgeniy is now known as WhiteMushroom [10:50] cwillu_at_work: ? [10:51] BUGabundo_work, typically a crash handler works by maintaining some state while things are working fine, such that it doesn't handle the crash so much as keep good records to allow rebuilding after a crash [10:51] the default firefox one is very costly when you have lots of data to be stored, because it stores the entire state at each checkpoint [10:52] ext3, by comparison, keeps both a full state and a running log, where things that aren't in the state are stored in the log until the full state can be updated (as opposed to completely rewritten) [10:53] and I was curious how tmp handled that [10:54] BUGabundo_work, and having checked the site, it's just using firefox's crash handler [10:54] which makes me sad :( [10:54] http://tmp.garyr.net/help/#Session_-_Restore [10:56] it's basically like performing a full system backup every ten minutes in case your computer crashes. Yes, it works, but it's horribly wasteful if you have a big system [10:56] * cwillu_at_work has a big firefox :) [10:58] * BUGabundo_work as a bigger FF and runs 3 3.5 and 2 3.7 profiles [10:58] * BUGabundo_work mouth ducks elky [10:58] .p [10:59] cwillu_at_work: well dear, start a new profile, install TMP, *set to use its own TMP crash handler*, open 5 wind, 20 tabs, kill it, reopen and watch wonders [10:59] BUGabundo_work, the word in -offtopic is that the ubuntu ops are getting attacked by some dcc spam or some such [11:00] BUGabundo_work, citation needed [11:01] I see no evidence that tmp has its own crash handler [11:01] in fact I'm now pretty certain it doesn't [11:05] cwillu_at_work: ok... [11:05] if so, nothing to do [11:05] i never had much trouble with it [11:06] chromium session manager is way suckier [11:06] multiple sessions are about the only way of scaling large firefox sessions, I'm loath to do it though [11:06] ah well [11:42] Pidgin not able to connect to yahoo chat. any ideas? [12:16] !test [12:16] yes, I'm alive. [12:26] I see Lucid Lynx is scheduled to freeze about the same time as Squeeze. Will or might Lucid Lynx incorporate packages based on Squeeze? [13:15] lepr: AFAIK sync already happen , and just happens on request [13:17] BUGabundo_work, can you check something for me? In keyboard prefs | layouts | layout options | keys to change layout, select "both alt keys together", and tell me if your right alt key stops working (i.e., right-alt + f in firefox no longer pulls up the file menu, but left-alt + f does) [13:30] cwillu_at_work: i'm at work. debian unstalbe here [13:31] * cwillu_at_work puts BUGabundo_work to work? :p === mac_v_ is now known as \vish === mac_v is now known as \vish === Afwas_ is now known as Afwas === mac_v is now known as \vish [14:25] Can anyone confirm there are problems with the nv driver and Xorg crashes on Alpha 1? [14:27] zer0x: I haven't tested since the days before christmas, but my nvidia xorg (default conf) hasn't worked since beginning of december === \vish is now known as mac_v === mac_v is now known as \vish [14:29] SwedeMike: ah, just to clarify thats the open nv driver, not the closed nvidia driver? [14:30] zer0x: it's the one you get default without installing "restricted drivers" [14:30] SwedeMike: cheers :D [14:30] I haven't tried to install the nvidia drivers, it's just a lab machine [14:33] I'll be testing them soon, I'm hoping rtl8192e wireless is working with 2.6.32+ (just got a nvidia ION enabled netbook to play with :) [14:34] humm [14:35] i may need newer drivers for ION then those in archive [14:35] uh oh :) [14:36] I read you need to use entire disk with the Alpha 1 install is this also true? [14:36] entire disk !? [14:37] why ?? === ripps|sleep is now known as ripps [14:37] plus use dailies builds instead of alpha [14:37] !daily [14:37] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [14:37] lol, true! :) [14:38] It was just something I read a while back, I thought it sounded a bit odd.. but hey.. [14:40] BUGabundo_work, so you agree with me that there should not even _be_ alpha releases [14:41] because people test them when they should be testing the dailies [14:42] I had totally forgotten about the daily builds, I usually keep away from the edge! [14:43] we get people coming in here a week after an alpha release reporting bugs that have been fixed already because they went back and installed the alpha, which is now old news [14:45] I can imagine that is an annoyance, maybe as an alternative to no alphas there should be a link to the dailys on alpha page of the website? [14:45] if people do updates with their alphas no problem at all [14:47] zer0x, but then why offer an alpha at all, if you're just linking to the daily-livecd? [14:47] bjsnider: milestones [14:48] I guess, I like the OpenBSD setup, RELEASE, STABLE, CURRENT and SNAPSHOTS :) [14:48] I'd say the daily livecd isn't guaranteed to boot at all, whereas the alpha1 actually has been a little tested :P [14:48] to have a set point in time where we (not users but devs) know and can point (target) stuff [14:48] "users" are not supposed to "test" until around beta [14:48] oh come on. that'snot true [14:49] bjsnider: it is [14:49] they want more testing to find bugs [14:49] just a bunch of "us" in +1 run the entire dev cycle [14:49] "we" dont care about milestones [14:49] SwedeMike: +1 [14:50] i don't know why milestones are so important. just release the stuff when it is done [14:50] bjsnider: ah, the old debian way, then you get 1 year delays [14:50] if there is no rush, why not wait another week? [14:50] milestones are good. [14:51] SwedeMike, if it doesn't boot, i guess you took that into account when you decided to install a development series, didn't you? [14:51] bjsnider: yes. you're missing my point totally. [15:01] Are there still PS3/Cell ports of ubuntu? [15:04] oh yes, oops :) I can't believe sony disabled install other os on the new slim models :( [15:09] eheh [15:10] but i've read its still possible [15:22] I like to think where theres a will theres a way! One day I'll try that cell port of Gnu backgammon! :D [15:36] hi, does so else have no user on the daily live ? - no auto login and no login with user "ubuntu" [15:41] no idea benste [15:41] last time i used it , it worked [15:41] did u check ISO md5? [15:41] BUGabundo_work: no i didn't - I'm using zsync to get it so I persumed that it would be ok [15:42] BUGabundo_work: how can I use md5sum to check ? [15:42] oh ok [15:42] yes zync should take care of that [15:42] unless u try to do like i do, and get both kubuntu and ubuntu images at the same time [15:42] to the same file :S [15:43] benste: download the md5 file, put in the same dir, and $ md5sum -c md5sum.txt [15:43] thx [15:44] BUGabundo_work: by the way do you know when the daily build get build ? midnight CET ? [15:44] no idea [15:45] i may zsync to a previous one and test [15:46] - md5 sum is ok [15:46] may be kind of you if you'd sync the latest daily and try to get into GUI [15:57] not at home [15:57] no mirror here [15:58] benste: I just installed the daily-live/current and it works fine for me [15:58] now I just need to find that rtl8192e firmware! [16:19] zer0x: did you install from text mode or GUI ? [16:19] (choosing first or 2nd option in grub) [16:20] My laptop doesn't like the WPA network this morning, was working just fine last night, ideas? [16:32] anyone whilling to do me a quick test? [16:32] need to verify its not my kernel messing up [16:33] hggdh: bjsnider: around [16:33] alex_mayorga: you're using Lucid A1 ? [16:33] what is stdin erorr0 ? [16:33] yofel: ^^^^ [16:34] yeah, what do you need? [16:34] n2n test [16:34] BUGabundo_work: pong [16:34] it was working up to one week ago [16:34] now it doesnt [16:34] one of you install n2n package [16:35] launch server $ supernode -l 7777 [16:35] and client $ sudo /usr/sbin/edge -c f -a 172.10.10.1 -c f -k f -l 127.0.0.1:7777 [16:35] see if it works [16:35] my system fails with a c end file message [16:35] in this debian machine works fine [16:36] ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2] [16:37] DAMN IT [16:37] what the heck changed last week that could affect that?!? [16:39] benste: appologies, I just loaded the daily CD for today, will let you know if it happens once again [16:40] thx that's nice [16:40] alex_mayorga1 fyi download with zsync takes about 1 min ! [16:41] benste: thanks on the tip [16:41] i've learned it some days agi :-) and blogged about it [16:42] odd, I'm trying the 64 bit now and it just stalls after I entered my password on first boot, is that known, normal? [16:42] 32 bit worked just fine [16:43] never mind, is this lousy HD on my christmas laptop [16:44] never buy Sony VAIOs with Toshiba HDs if you can help it [16:45] anyne, clos to the Texas/Mexico border that want to help me make a warranty good? [16:47] the thing is just 3 weeks old [16:48] This is HD issue, firght? "error: {UNC}" [16:50] I thought the installer checked for badblocks, doesn't it? [16:52] benste: sorry afk, from GUI, I noticed the stdin error also [16:54] alex_mayorga1: that would take it a long time :) [16:56] how do I force a fsck -cc on the reboot? [16:57] alex_mayorga1: wrote you a PM about your other problem [17:01] benste: thanks! [17:01] anyone on how to force fsck to makr badblocks on reboot? [17:02] I seem to have booted, and I'm now in one of the tty, where's the GUI alt+ctrl+? [17:02] alex_mayorga1: you can force a normal fsck at reboot with 'sudo touch /forcefsck' [17:03] alex_mayorga1: but I think you will need to use the badblocks program to do a full check [17:03] zer0x: thanks, do you happen to know how to go about doing it? [17:05] what kernel version(exactly) 2.6.32-9 is? [17:05] alex_mayorga1: I would boot from a livecd and do it on the raw block device, check man badblocks though and make sure you don't do a destructive test! :D [18:23] are wifi cards easy to brick? [18:24] zer0x: with two bricks - yes ;-) [18:24] guntbert: doh :D [18:24] zer0x: scnr - but I have no idea at all [18:25] i wouldn't think so [18:26] I've been trying to get a rtl8192e to work, there is a driver in staging for 2.6.32, so I installed a daily snapshot, and plugged in firmware from: [18:26] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/927872 [18:27] it loaded on first boot, but still wouldn't link, since first working the firmware no longer loads without error :( [18:28] I guess I could try ndiswrapper and see if I can get it working again :/ [18:30] I really wish I hadn't nuked the win xp recovery partition so I could test it still works! :'( [18:31] Hm. grub-install to an USB stick: "Your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it." [18:32] Then something about blocklists [18:33] still I'd rather a brick than an XP machine :DD [18:34] * genii decides to use --force and see what happens [18:47] Well, --force worked, it boots etc. I wonder if the blocklists thing will cause issues later though. Using ext3 not ext4 on there right now [19:02] anyone using virtualbox-ose? [19:07] I think https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/474625 is alive on lucid [19:07] Ubuntu bug 474625 in virtualbox-ose "[lucid] VirtualBox kernel module fails to build against Linux >= 2.6.32" [Undecided,Confirmed] [19:12] how do I go about asking for virtualbox 3.0.12 to be included on lucid? [19:18] submit a launchpad bug as a packaging request [19:20] bjsnider: is there a wiki page? [19:20] !package [19:20] You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search ", or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways! [19:21] !request [19:21] !syncrequest [19:21] Helpful information for filing a sync request can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [19:21] !newpackage [19:21] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [19:21] it will happen automatically if the version you mention is already in upstream debian [19:22] bjsnider: It is. [19:23] But there are Ubuntu changes. [19:25] cool [19:41] So do I file a bug or is it already "on its way"? [19:57] nothing bad will happen if you fie a bug [19:58] filing a bug would make sure to bring it to the attention of the maintainer [19:58] but isn't virtualbox up to 3.1 now? [20:00] yes, but that's commercial edition or something [20:05] sadly I can't seen to find what's the current "OSE" version [20:06] anyone on 64 bit having issues to install flash-plugin directly from Firefox? [20:09] !info virtualbox-ose [20:09] virtualbox-ose (source: virtualbox-ose): x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.8-dfsg-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 6182 kB, installed size 24292 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 lpia all) [20:13] that, from the changelog, won't work on 2.6.32 kernels http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-3.0 [20:17] According to Launchpad the maintainer for it is MOTU, whatever that means [20:17] !motu [20:17] motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [20:17] =þ [20:17] DanaG: hey, thanks! I'm a better human being now :) [20:18] it's on their list at http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html [20:20] alex_mayorga, that means presumably they would all be notified if you submitted a packaging request [20:21] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/498219 [20:21] Ubuntu bug 498219 in virtualbox-ose "Please merge virtualbox-ose 3.1.2-dfsg-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] [20:22] guess that's the bug I didn't need to file ;) [20:22] What would happen if I nominate it for lucid? [20:24] i guess you_really_ want this thing in there [20:25] let's just say I *need* virtualboxes in order to get my paycheck ;) [20:25] and I'm a curious guy [20:26] well, you can nominate it for lucid, but it's the responsibility of whoever is packaging it. i'm sure it will handled either way [20:32] Karmic was the first release based on 2.6.32? [20:33] 32 didn't exist before karmic [20:33] there are roughly 4 new kernel releases per year [20:33] they're released quarterly at linus's discretion anyhow [20:49] asking to know if I should nominate to karmic too [20:49] :) [20:51] it probably won't be backported [20:52] too risky and so forth [20:53] never really understood the risk part, so it's better to have entirely broken features instead of backporting? [20:53]